logic340 said: Oyasumi_Rosie said: While all roles are neutral there are some that would be better for mafia than other. No idea! All roles are neutral in reality, so I don't really have a reason to really think of them. Though, in all honesty, the neighboring role really is the most scummy to me. That role would be perfect for scum to pocket another player. Egg Thrower/Artist/Chef are three roles I don't think mafia would even want. They give them no power, and being that two of them don't visit anyone they are in danger of being watched making a kill. So while I wont just say the people with these abilities are town I would say that there is less chance the mafia would target these abilities as they aren't very helpful. Sucks for Ruu since she admitted to having Egg Thrower last which is where I would expect these roles to show up on almost any list but especially mafia's. Wait you think that it makes me look scummy the fact that my role was the last on my list? Is a boring one why would I wanted over a pr? xD |
Shinichi-Kun said: I understand that mafia can try to manipulate this which is cause for concern regarding your role. I can see where Ruu is coming from with you targeting a role you want but I don't think that you target a role you want like that from the very beginning. I mean im not diagnosed with short term memory lose, but my short term memory is very very bad lol. Its why i need to record stuff or ill just forget. Also when i was replying about her bomb role i didnt even take into account my role cause like i said regardless of my role i wanted to vote the bomb role. Also ur welcome to belive what you want lol, this happens alot with me. logic340 said: If you are scum with him you may not have that much say on which role you get as scum don't have the numbers to force things their way. If you are scum together that would benefit town for you to inherit the peeker role (especially if you get nothing since it's already used). I only ask about my role in private other than that I ask for the knowledge I am seeking in thread when I find it may be helpful to town. Why seek it in the thread when it could benefit scum? Also It's possible for pr roles to be lynched very early on if behavior suggest otherwise. Mafia could even manipulate this but making someone seem scummy when they aren't. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Heartless.... Mean... Evil.... ;w;Oyasumi_Rosie said: Wait if I am understanding correctly, you voted for me because of who I am personally, rather than for the role I have? Cold blooded..... ;w; i said both lol never stated just 1 >_> |
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| Ughhh I already thought about a few ways to find scum but someone has to get lynch / NK first so I don't know what to do now -_- I'm liking everyone's comments and since there is a lot of talk about mechanics there is not much I can get from that when it comes to alignment... I'm against lynching Rosie early on because like some said she is more likely to hit town than scum and we don't want that. Even if she is scum I still prefer to see her interactions and movements for a couple of phases more. We can gain more from that than going after her on D1. @Oyasumi_Rosie thoughts on logic so far? I'm on mobile because for some strange reason my internet doesn't work on my pc today so please be patient cause reading and writing here is a pain -_- |
Ruu said: No, I don't think it really tells us much either way honestly. As stated neither side would really want powerless roles. But I could see town going for what they want more than what works best for alignment. That being said we have to weigh what people say against their behavior in order to try and determine if we believe them or not. I believe that it was last on your list but it doesn't really help me to determine whether you are town or scum seeing as how you appear to been last to pick?logic340 said: While all roles are neutral there are some that would be better for mafia than other. Egg Thrower/Artist/Chef are three roles I don't think mafia would even want. They give them no power, and being that two of them don't visit anyone they are in danger of being watched making a kill. So while I wont just say the people with these abilities are town I would say that there is less chance the mafia would target these abilities as they aren't very helpful. Sucks for Ruu since she admitted to having Egg Thrower last which is where I would expect these roles to show up on almost any list but especially mafia's. Wait you think that it makes me look scummy the fact that my role was the last on my list? Is a boring one why would I wanted over a pr? xD |
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| Below are all of my comments/replies to posts on page 2 and 3. Most have allready been discussed, but I thought I'd post them anyways. 1. Because I considered it as a second or third priority ^^ 2. Because you will later in the game undoubtedly call attention to yourself in your new choice of role. logic340 said: It seems we think alike a lot, so I'll just explain the differences between our lists:Reasoning can go a lot of ways. I think I understand some of yours others not so much, Townish roles: 2. Fullmetal Egg (Jailer) 3. Golden Egg (Lightning Rod) 10. Decorative Egg (Artist) 11. Oeuf Suprême (Chef) 12. Green Egg & Ham (Egg Thrower) Scummy roles: 4. Explosive Egg (Bomb) 5. Occult Egg (Peeker) 7. Sparkling Egg (Reloader) Neutral roles (could go both ways): 1. Camouflaged Egg (Watcher) 6. Duckling Egg (Neighborizer) 8. Royal Egg (Doublevoter) 9. Spooky Egg (Amnesiac) - I put Artist, Chef and Egg thrower as Neutral, because they are mostly useless and neither Town or Scum would choose them if thinking strategically. - I put Watcher as townish because it's the closest we get to a Cop and as such, it would benefit town more than scum. - Doublevoter is scummy because just having it, means scum are 1 step closer to their win condition of becomming the majority. Crossbell said: Hmm... Good points, but I think I still disagree. It's in no way sure that the "confirmed townie" will ever get a fast train and even then, you can only assume that it's due to overeager scum. It's not so much that I want to find out who is confirmed townie as fast as possible. Instead, I just want scum-WyNdZ to reveal it now instead of mid-game when it's most convenient for him. And also to recieve the information before he is NK'd tonight and his information lost...I am kind of nervous about the people asking Wyndz about who the confirmed townie is. In my mind, the best way to use that sort of role (one random cop check on a townie) is to reveal who it is when that townie gets pressured or is run up, so that we can use that information to catch overeager scum on the wagon. RE and Zymf trying to fish that information out of Wyndz even before they've posted feels like an attempt to figure out who a confirmed townie is so that they don't have to pressure them, and it doesn't sit well with me. Btw, the Peeker is on my scumlist of roles exactly because it can be used to clear you or your scumbuddy from suspicion if used right. Oyasumi_Rosie said: Good point, it's now on my scum list of roles. Though logic himself is on my town-read list :PThough, in all honesty, the neighboring role really is the most scummy to me. That role would be perfect for scum to pocket another player. Shinichi-Kun said: Of course there is a point! Because all the roles are revealed, we can question people why they put their role high enough on their personal list for them to receive said role - Which is a good indication towards their true intentions are in the game.Lol all the roles are revealed there is literally no point to look into what role could be scummy or town aligned. Only thing i can think of his someone making a list That explians the best town and mafia use of each role. And we don't openly make a list of best uses for each role, because that would be helping the mafia to much. Crossbell said: Not for me. When I pressure vote someone, I tend to state it openly that it's for pressure. And then I stick with my vote untill I get the information I demand.Shinichi said: Perhaps throwing the vote out nakedly could help you garner even more reactions? I'm just confused as why you vote then say "this vote is for pressure" since that pressure vote instantly loses all meaning.What else is the vote if not pressure in the first place lol. WyNdZ said: Nice reply! Especially combined with post #119 ^^Ah man I got a boring role. I basically get some information and then become a powerless role. It's a useful role no doubt but not one that suits my play style. Haha well isn't this interesting. I've got 3 votes already, I assume this is to pressure me to reveal who is the confirmed town. I'll reveal it after some time, most probably within this phase and definitely before the end of the first night so there's no chance of me dying with the information. I think the town can get some useful information from seeing the interactions of the confirmed townie with the other players hence my reasons for delaying the reveal a bit. Unvote wen294 said: This gives me some nice town vibes.And i usually agree with random gimmicks (like character claiming or so). I mean not like i really have a reason not to. Even if i don't see the benefit, no harm done in joining in if somebody else DOES see benefit in it no? Melanoid said: No no no no no! You don't lynch someone right after they reveal all their information, it's just wrong! (unless their information are contradictory with other information). Mafia in it's essence is a game between a uninformed majority and informed minority. Therefore we need as much info and reads about people as we can get and not just kill them off. Besides 1 confirmed townie isn't worth 1 innocent life.Regardless if Occult reveal their information today, there's really no way I'd believe it unless Occult dies and ends up being confirmed town but I prefer it being revealed early since it's too risky to hide that information the longer the game gets. with that being said, I'm up for lynching the Occult right after he reveals his information just so we can get a clear town if occult flips town. Hopefully jailkeeper would save confirmed town after that tho. logic340 said: Now I see why you put Egg thrower, Artist and Chef as Townish roles.Oyasumi_Rosie said: While all roles are neutral there are some that would be better for mafia than other. No idea! All roles are neutral in reality, so I don't really have a reason to really think of them. Though, in all honesty, the neighboring role really is the most scummy to me. That role would be perfect for scum to pocket another player. Egg Thrower/Artist/Chef are three roles I don't think mafia would even want. They give them no power, and being that two of them don't visit anyone they are in danger of being watched making a kill. So while I wont just say the people with these abilities are town I would say that there is less chance the mafia would target these abilities as they aren't very helpful. Sucks for Ruu since she admitted to having Egg Thrower last which is where I would expect these roles to show up on almost any list but especially mafia's. But I disagree with all the arguments that say all roles are neutral and that making a list of townish/scummy roles are useless! Yes, the mafia might wanna take strong town PR, but that is ONLY because townies want them MORE. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense stealing from the other faction. Therefore, when choosing between 2 equally strong roles, you would prioritize the role that fits your allignment. At least, I think most people would. /End of page 3 x.x |
Zymf said: I like to try and think strategically but I know there are better players for that like you and DenjaX.Below are all of my comments/replies to posts on page 2 and 3. Most have allready been discussed, but I thought I'd post them anyways. logic340 said: It seems we think alike a lot, so I'll just explain the differences between our lists:Reasoning can go a lot of ways. I think I understand some of yours others not so much, Townish roles: 2. Fullmetal Egg (Jailer) 3. Golden Egg (Lightning Rod) 10. Decorative Egg (Artist) 11. Oeuf Suprême (Chef) 12. Green Egg & Ham (Egg Thrower) Scummy roles: 4. Explosive Egg (Bomb) 5. Occult Egg (Peeker) 7. Sparkling Egg (Reloader) Neutral roles (could go both ways): 1. Camouflaged Egg (Watcher) 6. Duckling Egg (Neighborizer) 8. Royal Egg (Doublevoter) 9. Spooky Egg (Amnesiac) - I put Artist, Chef and Egg thrower as Neutral, because they are mostly useless and neither Town or Scum would choose them if thinking strategically. - I put Watcher as townish because it's the closest we get to a Cop and as such, it would benefit town more than scum. - Doublevoter is scummy because just having it, means scum are 1 step closer to their win condition of becomming the majority. -I understand why you put them there but I feel like people who have these ranked higher in their lists are more likely to be town (not that town wouldn't have them at then bottom). -Watcher while close to cop would be really OP as scum which is why I put it in neutral. I think scum would really want this role because then they have no fear of being tracked at night (regardless of their other roles. -Doublevoter at first I thought similarly but Doublevote cannot be used during mylo or lylo so it takes away the late game advantage for scum. Add to that it is only one shot and it really doesn't afford scum much benefit (outside of one day). |
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Melanoid said: but in the case that the confirmed town dies then jailer would appear scummy and if mafia decided to ignore confirmed town and decides to target someone else then wouldn't that be beneficial for town? Trimming the player list while keeping a confirmed town alive seems like a bad idea for scum. Rereading and I am so wanting to change my vote to you based on this. It sounds a lot like you're not just speaking in theory. Oyasumi_Rosie said: I have one way of making sure I am never deadly. Don't touch me with any night moves, and don't vote for me lol Well you have to understand that's a problem if you're actually mafia. And by deadly, I mean unlike Doublevoter, you can still affect the outcome of a lynch MyLo or LyLo. But anyway, the point of my question had less to do with the answers and more with whom I asking it to. |
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he seems very town which isn't good. I never really tell when he is town or scum at all. I am okay with keeping my vote where it is for now. |
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logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: I understand that mafia can try to manipulate this which is cause for concern regarding your role. I can see where Ruu is coming from with you targeting a role you want but I don't think that you target a role you want like that from the very beginning. I mean im not diagnosed with short term memory lose, but my short term memory is very very bad lol. Its why i need to record stuff or ill just forget. Also when i was replying about her bomb role i didnt even take into account my role cause like i said regardless of my role i wanted to vote the bomb role. Also ur welcome to belive what you want lol, this happens alot with me. Why seek it in the thread when it could benefit scum? Also It's possible for pr roles to be lynched very early on if behavior suggest otherwise. Mafia could even manipulate this but making someone seem scummy when they aren't. I already have in mind what roles i wanna take if by any chance they get lynched or night killed. |
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Ruu said: Ughhh I already thought about a few ways to find scum but someone has to get lynch / NK first so I don't know what to do now -_- I'm liking everyone's comments and since there is a lot of talk about mechanics there is not much I can get from that when it comes to alignment... I'm against lynching Rosie early on because like some said she is more likely to hit town than scum and we don't want that. Even if she is scum I still prefer to see her interactions and movements for a couple of phases more. We can gain more from that than going after her on D1. @Oyasumi_Rosie thoughts on logic so far? I'm on mobile because for some strange reason my internet doesn't work on my pc today so please be patient cause reading and writing here is a pain -_- People really dont wanna vote her it seems and because of that i cant really get any reads from the vote itself. I mean i am cautious of the people who want to avoid the lynch. My goal was never to get her lynched anyways just wanted to see who would be willing to vote her. |
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| I have to suspects for now: logic and Zymf. - I'm getting scum vibes from logic - based on our last game together. His wording and focus don't look town oriented. - Zymf is the other person that is looking scummy to me. From what I learn watching Zymf play and host, I don't see him making list about roles that are townish/scummy if he was in fact town. He knows that's not helping at all and it doesn't even help the mechanics talk. Also can you all please stop talking about that and scenarios like "if the jailer doesn't protect the townie he is scum, if the bomb does X then they are town..."because you are feeding strategies to the mafia team. I have a few ideas myself but I don't write about it so mafia can not use it against me. |
Zymf said: wen294 said: This gives me some nice town vibes.And i usually agree with random gimmicks (like character claiming or so). I mean not like i really have a reason not to. Even if i don't see the benefit, no harm done in joining in if somebody else DOES see benefit in it no? How so? Now I really want to vote you :3 |
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why after this particular post? |
Because it's so random. It doesn't fit in with the rest of his replies. Not to mention, regarding that specific gimmick, Zymf was against it - said that it wasn't worth it. So why should a post agreeing to using the gimmick give town vibes to someone who disagreed? |
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Ruu said: I have to suspects for now: logic and Zymf. - I'm getting scum vibes from logic - based on our last game together. His wording and focus don't look town oriented. - Zymf is the other person that is looking scummy to me. From what I learn watching Zymf play and host, I don't see him making list about roles that are townish/scummy if he was in fact town. He knows that's not helping at all and it doesn't even help the mechanics talk. Also can you all please stop talking about that and scenarios like "if the jailer doesn't protect the townie he is scum, if the bomb does X then they are town..."because you are feeding strategies to the mafia team. I have a few ideas myself but I don't write about it so mafia can not use it against me. Ill shed some light on ur opinion of zymf, ive played with him enough to know this is exactly what he would do regardless of alignment. Also i agree we need to stop feeding strategies |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Ruu said: I have to suspects for now: logic and Zymf. - I'm getting scum vibes from logic - based on our last game together. His wording and focus don't look town oriented. - Zymf is the other person that is looking scummy to me. From what I learn watching Zymf play and host, I don't see him making list about roles that are townish/scummy if he was in fact town. He knows that's not helping at all and it doesn't even help the mechanics talk. Also can you all please stop talking about that and scenarios like "if the jailer doesn't protect the townie he is scum, if the bomb does X then they are town..."because you are feeding strategies to the mafia team. I have a few ideas myself but I don't write about it so mafia can not use it against me. Ill shed some light on ur opinion of zymf, ive played with him enough to know this is exactly what he would do regardless of alignment. Also i agree we need to stop feeding strategies do you have a read on Zymf? |
| @Ruu you never answered my question about what "logic being logic" means? Now you say I am suspicious so I have to ask if "logic being logic" is logic being suspicious? Or has something changed from when you posted #93 to now? |
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logic340 said: @Ruu you never answered my question about what "logic being logic" means? Now you say I am suspicious so I have to ask if "logic being logic" is logic being suspicious? Or has something changed from when you posted #93 to now? I totally missed it! I'm sorry D: It seemed like normal behaviour at the moment that's why I said "logic being logic" but I've reread the thread since then and your posts remind me of SM mafia. Also Shinichi is neutral atm, can't tell his alignment for now. |
Ruu said: In SM I had no content to speak of and was just helping new players is that what you are really seeing here? Not that I need convincing, since I know this isn't the case, but could you give some examples for others if this is what you truly believe?logic340 said: @Ruu you never answered my question about what "logic being logic" means? Now you say I am suspicious so I have to ask if "logic being logic" is logic being suspicious? Or has something changed from when you posted #93 to now? I totally missed it! I'm sorry D: It seemed like normal behaviour at the moment that's why I said "logic being logic" but I've reread the thread since then and your posts remind me of SM mafia. Also Shinichi is neutral atm, can't tell his alignment for now. I am also currently neutral on Shinichi. His post count is high and we've had a few mindmelds but I feel like I'm having a hard time grasping his true intent. |
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logic340 said: Ruu said: In SM I had no content to speak of and was just helping new players is that what you are really seeing here? Not that I need convincing, since I know this isn't the case, but could you give some examples for others if this is what you truly believe?I totally missed it! I'm sorry D: It seemed like normal behaviour at the moment that's why I said "logic being logic" but I've reread the thread since then and your posts remind me of SM mafia. Also Shinichi is neutral atm, can't tell his alignment for now. I am also currently neutral on Shinichi. His post count is high and we've had a few mindmelds but I feel like I'm having a hard time grasping his true intent. yes you had content (The Matrix) and here you don't have new players but your approach to the other participants ideas reminds me of scum!logic. You are active but don't stand out too much.... That's how I feel scum!logic works. Maybe my understanding of you is wrong but that's how I see it. |
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Ruu said: Shinichi-Kun said: Ill shed some light on ur opinion of zymf, ive played with him enough to know this is exactly what he would do regardless of alignment. Also i agree we need to stop feeding strategies do you have a read on Zymf? Not really still pretty neutral for me |
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| It's 1:30 in the night, so I'll make this short. I'll be busy the entire day tomorrow, so I'll have to catch up during Night 1 unfortunately. That means I also won't be voting anyone today, because I simply don't have the time to remove it again and no confident scumread at the moment. There's subtle town mentality oozing from those two lines. Wen says that he doesn't see that much benefit from everyone revealing their personal list, which to me seem like his honest opinion. This I agree with since it would just cause an overflod of random lists that doesn't hold much weight without explanations. But then wen also says that there's no harm joining in, since the information isn't harmfull as such. In the specific case wen show that he isn't affraid of a mass list-claim and in more general terms he is open towards others ideas. Though I'm known to be very focused on mechanics and roles and such, I do rarely stumble upon small details like these... |
Zymf said: It's 1:30 in the night, so I'll make this short. I'll be busy the entire day tomorrow, so I'll have to catch up during Night 1 unfortunately. That means I also won't be voting anyone today, because I simply don't have the time to remove it again and no confident scumread at the moment. There's subtle town mentality oozing from those two lines. Wen says that he doesn't see that much benefit from everyone revealing their personal list, which to me seem like his honest opinion. This I agree with since it would just cause an overflod of random lists that doesn't hold much weight without explanations. But then wen also says that there's no harm joining in, since the information isn't harmfull as such. In the specific case wen show that he isn't affraid of a mass list-claim and in more general terms he is open towards others ideas. Though I'm known to be very focused on mechanics and roles and such, I do rarely stumble upon small details like these... I don't quite understand, why is it important that he isn't afraid of a mass list-claim? If there's no benefit (to town), then there isn't anything to fear if they're scum? And being open to ideas seems more like a scum tell - allowing townies to waste time on theories that more than likely will lead to nowhere. |
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AbuHumaid said: eh as expected from Day 1, nothing much to say Vote: Crossbell just random because i don't want to not vote 1. Day 1 is actually one of the most important Days ever in a game of mafia. Why is there "nothing much to say"? 2. Why do you not want to "not vote"? This post is actually pretty interesting to me and I'll elaborate on it if AbuHumaid gets back. |
Melanoid said: So let me get this straight. with that being said, I'm up for lynching the Occult right after he reveals his information just so we can get a clear town if occult flips town. Hopefully jailkeeper would save confirmed town after that tho. You would want Wyndz to reveal his information, then immediately lynch him in order to get a confirmed townie? You're lynching him purely on the basis of his role; you're not interested in actually figuring out his alignment? |
Wyndz said: Thank you! I spent a lot of time on that post in order to explain to another mafia player how I approach and play the game after years of playing it, so it's an honor to have people read that post.Yup, that's usually true. I really like this post of yours. I learnt a lot from it and it reignited my interest in mafia games as well hence why I joined this game. |
RE1031 said: So basically, if they find out, they can avoid any confrontation/interaction whatsoever that would look suspicious if that confirmed townie flips townie to everyone? But townies always come down on townies. I feel there's far more benefit to a townie learning who the other townies are than scum learning who the confirmed townie is. That's true, but we need information in this game and having Wyndz intentionally not reveal who the confirmed townie player is until later in the game only helps with that. I feel like I'm hitting on a specific point way too much, though, with regards to you. Gonna reread RE when I have the chance; her response to me feels more like confusion rather than actually having a specific scum agenda. Unvote |
Zymf said: It's 1:30 in the night, so I'll make this short. I'll be busy the entire day tomorrow, so I'll have to catch up during Night 1 unfortunately. That means I also won't be voting anyone today, because I simply don't have the time to remove it again and no confident scumread at the moment. There's subtle town mentality oozing from those two lines. Wen says that he doesn't see that much benefit from everyone revealing their personal list, which to me seem like his honest opinion. This I agree with since it would just cause an overflod of random lists that doesn't hold much weight without explanations. But then wen also says that there's no harm joining in, since the information isn't harmfull as such. In the specific case wen show that he isn't affraid of a mass list-claim and in more general terms he is open towards others ideas. Though I'm known to be very focused on mechanics and roles and such, I do rarely stumble upon small details like these... This is something i would completely overlook due to the fact i would have already forgotten the first part when reading the 2nd part. I still dont find the need for lists. |
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Crossbell said: Melanoid said: So let me get this straight. with that being said, I'm up for lynching the Occult right after he reveals his information just so we can get a clear town if occult flips town. Hopefully jailkeeper would save confirmed town after that tho. You would want Wyndz to reveal his information, then immediately lynch him in order to get a confirmed townie? You're lynching him purely on the basis of his role; you're not interested in actually figuring out his alignment? Isnt this the same concept of what others are doing with their list of what roles would be chosen by scum aligned players. They're putting the tag on the role not the people. I don't really understand it either but i think lynching 1 to confirm the other doesnt seem that harmful aslong as its done early on. |
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| We want to lynch mafia. We don't want to lynch people to get "information". If Wyndz is town, getting a confirmed townie at the cost of a mislynch seems like a poor deal to me. |
π« Vote Count 1.5 π« π₯ π₯ Zymf π₯ π₯ (2): π° Ruu, RE1031 π° π£ Shinichi-kun π£ (1): π° wen294 π° π£ WyNdZ π£ (1): π° yurkin π° π£ logic340 π£ (1): π° Oyasumi_Rosie π° π£ Ruu π£ (1): π° WyNdZ π° π£ Crossbell π£ (1): π° AbuHumaid π° π± Not Voting π± melanoid, Zymf, Shinichi-kun, logic340, Crossbell π€ Role Index π€ >>Day 1 Timer<< |
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| ^ this vote count never lynches a wolf It's 15 hours left in the Day, and we have zero momentum and zero wagons. You know what a votecount like this means? Terrible flashwagons at EoDs and townie lynches. We need to get some wagons going. I need to read up on the Zymf wagon but it seems like it can bear fruit. |
| @Re1031 - I was up for lynching peeker since it gets us the most information along with the odd chance of peeker actually being mafia (disregarding any in-game behavior and just doing it for the sake of information) How does lynching bomb compare to that? less information to gain and higher risk for town. RE1031 said: Melanoid said: but in the case that the confirmed town dies then jailer would appear scummy and if mafia decided to ignore confirmed town and decides to target someone else then wouldn't that be beneficial for town? Trimming the player list while keeping a confirmed town alive seems like a bad idea for scum. Rereading and I am so wanting to change my vote to you based on this. It sounds a lot like you're not just speaking in theory. Oyasumi_Rosie said: I have one way of making sure I am never deadly. Don't touch me with any night moves, and don't vote for me lol Well you have to understand that's a problem if you're actually mafia. And by deadly, I mean unlike Doublevoter, you can still affect the outcome of a lynch MyLo or LyLo. But anyway, the point of my question had less to do with the answers and more with whom I asking it to. What exactly do you mean by me not speaking in theory? and what gave you that idea? @Crossbell I'm fine with waiting for some time to figure out his alignment but that's passing on the quickest chance to get a confirmed town. Games here are not as casual as I'm used to orz Vote:AbuHumaid: I'd like to see more post from you, seems like a bad idea to bring someone in the later stages of the game with few posts to get a read on. |
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| Ugh god there's so much mechanics discussion on page 4, exactly what I didn't want to happen. I'm finishing up catching up but I suspect that it'll be really annoying to read players based off of the posts so far. |
Melanoid said: @Re1031 - I was up for lynching peeker since it gets us the most information along with the odd chance of peeker actually being mafia (disregarding any in-game behavior and just doing it for the sake of information) How does lynching bomb compare to that? less information to gain and higher risk for town. RE1031 said: Rereading and I am so wanting to change my vote to you based on this. It sounds a lot like you're not just speaking in theory. Well you have to understand that's a problem if you're actually mafia. And by deadly, I mean unlike Doublevoter, you can still affect the outcome of a lynch MyLo or LyLo. But anyway, the point of my question had less to do with the answers and more with whom I asking it to. What exactly do you mean by me not speaking in theory? and what gave you that idea? A lot of us have offered ideas on what scum would do in theory should this or that happen, but you seem pretty certain that is what scum would want to do. Basically you seem confident in predicting scum's next moves. It doesn't help that my other suspect, Zymf, is the Jailer, and your plan directly involves the Jailer. Well gonna call it a night soon, and having developed a town/neutral/scum lean list, these are people I town read (and won't vote): yurkin - doubt she as scum would vote right off the bat for a role regardless of player. She thought of it ahead, without knowing whether her scum buddies might land it, hinting towards she’s unaligned. Ruu - feels like town, I disagreed about Shinichi wanting the bomb role but it’s not an unnatural conclusion to reach. Shinichi-kun - same as yurkin |
...better to be hated for what you are than loved for something you are not. |
| Vote Zymf Wouldn't also be opposed to a vote on AbuHumaid. Zymf's catching up posting style reminds me of myself when I'm scum (just catch up, respond to a bunch of questions, and never ask any of my own) without doing any actual scumhunting. Plus, I'm really interested as to why he said that wen's post gave him town vibes because I don't see it myself. @logic340: This is so weird. You say that you want me to post since you won't have anyone to tunnel, but you've mostly just been ignoring me AND my posts. This is so unnatural of you, and I would expect something different after the end of Kitty Mafia. At the risk of poking the bear's nest, what's up? |
Melanoid said: Our goal isn't to get a confirmed town, though. Our goal is to lynch scum.@Crossbell I'm fine with waiting for some time to figure out his alignment but that's passing on the quickest chance to get a confirmed town. |
| Also, depending on how I feel about passing my two finals tomorrow, I may or may not be busy. But the only reason I see at the moment I would remove my vote from Zymf is the Jailer role is rather important, and should he be town, we would suffer a pretty great loss. Maybe I'll get some more scum tells tomorrow. |
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| Read List: Town Lean: yurkin - Has always been town and has been pretty easy for me to read in those games. Very inquisitive and not scared to share their ideas. As RE said her pre-game planning has more of a townie feel than a scum feel. RE1031 - While I don't agree with her position on asking for Wyndz to claim I don't feel it came from a malicious place. Her explanation to Crossbell in #127 doesn't seem to be scum motivated nor do her other pushes for information. Wyndz - I don't know his playstyle at all. I am not seeing anything that sends up any scum markers. Maybe I am just hoping he is town but at this time I feel comfortable with a town lean. Neutral: Zymf - I know he's more of a mechanical player than a behavioral player so the list is NAI for me. I don't like that he wanted Wyndz to reveal right away as it should be up to Wyndz but this too could come from both town and scum. Crossbell - I like his entrance more like the spicy crossbell I am used to but he's got a bunch of catchup posts which aren't alignment indicative but I do remember seeing this the last time he was scum. Needs to see more as he hasn't posted much. Shinichi-kun - Very active which I like but hard to nail down just what his indentations are. This is a read I need to put some more time into. Might ISO him later. Ruu - I feel like I am really good at reading Ruu. I don't like her position on Wyndz train since it's counter to her position last time she was town but that's not enough for me to say she's scum here for certain but I'm leaning that way more than town currently. wen294 - I've never seen his town game. He's being himself from what I can tell but not really leaving an impression either way. Not Enough Information: AbuHumaid - Two posts on saying he's going to be the other a late RVS on Crossbell. I don't mind the vote but the reasoning is sketchy to me. I wouldn't mind placing a vote here since I'm not giving inactives passes like I have in previous gams. Lean scum Oyasumi_Rosie - Pretty active and a lot less fluffy than I am used to. Not sure if this is alignment indicative or not. Her posts are more on topic than usual and while I feel this is a good sign I have to wonder if she's trying to look townie or just taking a more serious approach? Her vote on me is a bit peculiar as she said she sees me being townie which isn't good? Melanoid - I'm not really a fan on their position of lynching Wyndz without looking into behavior first. Risking town for another town doesn't seem very town motivated in my opinion. It may be an ideological difference but those who know me know I don't feel the information is worth it. Edit: Added Shinichi |
logic340May 15, 2017 9:42 PM
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| Sorry that took so long been cleaning and doing laundry. While I don't necessarily mind this vote your choice of vote has been striking this game. You first want to lynch Wyndz just for the information alone and don't show much interest in trying to figure out his alignment. Now you vote Abu because you want him to post more so you can figure him out. I'd like to hear your thought on the other players that have been posting as this feel like you moving to low hanging fruit from your original plan of testing your theory on Wyndz. |
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