yurkin said: it was my second choice so I'm quite happy. Thank you for the kind words. I hope to use it to its fullest potential.Hey hey logic :3 the duckling egg did go to its best possible owner. |
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logic340 said: Ruu said: I had started to think something similar but I doubt he goes right after the role that he would desire from the gate. Also in the scenario that Shinichi is on her lynch train he runs the risk of being her vengeful kill and not being around to gain the ability.Somehow I feel my role is even more boring than being VT ;-; rng never loved me... and I was so happy that I got my wish ;-; vote: Shin you want to lynch Rosie to get her role >_> Im town so im not scared of the role, but i feel like people might slip if they know she is the train that will be lynched. |
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AbuHumaid said: The day started just when i was about to sleep lol That's normal. Time zones are a thing. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: if everyone revealed an honest list we can probably figure out the order in which the roles were giving out. Also depending on everybody's different list we may or may not be able to figure out who the mafia are based on the roles they pick first second and third. I'm assuming that's the abusing a gimmick people were talking about?wen294 said: If it's possible and there isn't directly a rule against it then it's allowed. Gimmicks are there to be abused. For now lets not start by abusing gimmicks we have 48 hours to talk. |
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logic340 said: if everyone revealed an honest list we can probably figure out the order in which the roles were giving out. Also depending on everybody's different list we may or may not be able to figure out who the mafia are based on the roles they pick first second and third. I'm assuming that's the abusing a gimmick people were talking about? Pretty much, but like wise if everyone tells the truth then we will have gotten nowhere XD. |
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logic340 said: if everyone revealed an honest list we can probably figure out the order in which the roles were giving out. Also depending on everybody's different list we may or may not be able to figure out who the mafia are based on the roles they pick first second and third. I'm assuming that's the abusing a gimmick people were talking about? I just realized for people who got selected closer to the end, they could still lie about the order of roles. For example, since Ruu claims to have gotten her last choice, she could lie about the order of all the other roles. |
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Nah you see, Grapefruit is the ultimate lurker. He is lurking so hard he didn't even sign up for this game. He must be scum for sure >;3c |
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yurkin said: Idk... Logic is good at pocketing people as scum, and the neighboring ablity makes that even easier...Hey hey logic :3 the duckling egg did go to its best possible owner. |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: Nah you see, Grapefruit is the ultimate lurker. He is lurking so hard he didn't even sign up for this game. He must be scum for sure >;3c +1 lol |
Oyasumi_Rosie said: yurkin said: Idk... Logic is good at pocketing people as scum, and the neighboring ablity makes that even easier...Hey hey logic :3 the duckling egg did go to its best possible owner. that's true but last time you caught him so we can beat him if he rolled scum this time ;) |
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Nah you see, Grapefruit is the ultimate lurker. He is lurking so hard he didn't even sign up for this game. He must be scum for sure >;3c wow nothing to say here lmfao |
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Shinichi-Kun said: If I get lynched on the correct day too, then I can give us more info on the the train.Im town so im not scared of the role, but i feel like people might slip if they know she is the train that will be lynched. Just like in all my games I am better offed killed :'3 |
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🍫 Vote Count 1.0 🍫 🔥 🐥 Wyndz 🐥 🔥 (2): 🐰 yurkin, wen294 🐰 🐣 Oyasumi_Rosie 🐣 (1): 🐰 Shinichi-kun 🐰 🐣 Shinichi-kun 🐣 (1): 🐰 Ruu 🐰 🐣 melanoid 🐣 (1): 🐰 logic340 🐰 🌱 Not Voting 🌱 AbuHumaid, Zymf, RE1031, melanoid, Oyasumi_Rosie, wyndz, Crossbell 🐤 Role Index 🐤 >>Day 1 Timer<< |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Don't worry. I leave many speechless with my impenetrable logic Oyasumi_Rosie said: Nah you see, Grapefruit is the ultimate lurker. He is lurking so hard he didn't even sign up for this game. He must be scum for sure >;3c wow nothing to say here lmfao |
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Ruu said: Its all coming together perfectly. We caught him at his own game this time. Lynch logic to save the town!Oyasumi_Rosie said: Idk... Logic is good at pocketing people as scum, and the neighboring ablity makes that even easier... that's true but last time you caught him so we can beat him if he rolled scum this time ;) Vote:Logic (to be fair.... that was total luck that I guessed he was scum that game. I didn't even scum read him at the time :'3) |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: Shinichi-Kun said: If I get lynched on the correct day too, then I can give us more info on the the train.Im town so im not scared of the role, but i feel like people might slip if they know she is the train that will be lynched. Just like in all my games I am better offed killed :'3 That is not what im implying lol Also that is true, which could be day 1 if needs be :D |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Sure, but it is what I am implying. Town only wins when I die early. And even then it doesn't always work :cOyasumi_Rosie said: If I get lynched on the correct day too, then I can give us more info on the the train. Just like in all my games I am better offed killed :'3 That is not what im implying lol Also that is true, which could be day 1 if needs be :D Lol too bad I had to choose before the game starts or I could have the perfect set up >.> |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: Hey I actually did pretty good identifying scum in Stray Dog Mafia (I'm going for dune carryover).Ruu said: Its all coming together perfectly. We caught him at his own game this time. Lynch logic to save the town!that's true but last time you caught him so we can beat him if he rolled scum this time ;) Vote:Logic (to be fair.... that was total luck that I guessed he was scum that game. I didn't even scum read him at the time :'3) Lynch the townie lynched to save town? I'm guessing this us the impenetrable logic you were talking about? I don't agree with this you're not a martyr. You're the bomb Rosie, I need my fluff dosage (now) and some reads (later this phase). |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I'm town and I'm not scared of her role either. Now we need to prove it to each other. I see what you're saying about mafia potentially slipping (if Rosie is town) since they likely wouldn't want to take the chance of being her kill target?logic340 said: I had started to think something similar but I doubt he goes right after the role that he would desire from the gate. Also in the scenario that Shinichi is on her lynch train he runs the risk of being her vengeful kill and not being around to gain the ability. Im town so im not scared of the role, but i feel like people might slip if they know she is the train that will be lynched. |
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logic340 said: Of course! As the old saying goes "Cull the herd to save the the calf" and all that jazzOyasumi_Rosie said: Hey I actually did pretty good identifying scum in Stray Dog Mafia (I'm going for dune carryover).Its all coming together perfectly. We caught him at his own game this time. Lynch logic to save the town! Vote:Logic (to be fair.... that was total luck that I guessed he was scum that game. I didn't even scum read him at the time :'3) Lynch the townie lynched to save town? I'm guessing this us the impenetrable logic you were talking about? logic340 said: Ah but you can get two death for the price of one for me! Isn't info better than fluff?I don't agree with this you're not a martyr. You're the bomb Rosie, I need my fluff dosage (now) and some reads (later this phase). |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: Shinichi-Kun said: Sure, but it is what I am implying. Town only wins when I die early. And even then it doesn't always work :cThat is not what im implying lol Also that is true, which could be day 1 if needs be :D Lol too bad I had to choose before the game starts or I could have the perfect set up >.> wait u choose ur target at the start of the game that doesnt make sense lol town hasnt won in like 6 games XD |
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logic340 said: Shinichi-Kun said: I'm town and I'm not scared of her role either. Now we need to prove it to each other. I see what you're saying about mafia potentially slipping (if Rosie is town) since they likely wouldn't want to take the chance of being her kill target?Im town so im not scared of the role, but i feel like people might slip if they know she is the train that will be lynched. Pretty much its not something scum would wanna risk |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I know because they were all games where I died badly, or not at all. The only game I had a good death in was Final Fantasy. Best death, still salty.Oyasumi_Rosie said: Sure, but it is what I am implying. Town only wins when I die early. And even then it doesn't always work :c Lol too bad I had to choose before the game starts or I could have the perfect set up >.> wait u choose ur target at the start of the game that doesnt make sense lol town hasnt won in like 6 games XD No.. have you read my role bro? lol |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: That all depends on how my read on you progresses. If you're town I'm not down with town sacrificing themselves (see Stay Dogs dead chat) plus we run the risk of losing two town (though you could hit mafia if they're on your train).logic340 said: Of course! As the old saying goes "Cull the herd to save the the calf" and all that jazzHey I actually did pretty good identifying scum in Stray Dog Mafia (I'm going for dune carryover). Lynch the townie lynched to save town? I'm guessing this us the impenetrable logic you were talking about? logic340 said: Ah but you can get two death for the price of one for me! Isn't info better than fluff?I don't agree with this you're not a martyr. You're the bomb Rosie, I need my fluff dosage (now) and some reads (later this phase). If you're scum we'll have to sacrifice a townie to lynch you eventually. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Not to mentioning, knowing me, I would probably use RNG to kill whoever was on my train, unless I got a really good scum read on someone, which is super unlikely this early in the game.logic340 said: I'm town and I'm not scared of her role either. Now we need to prove it to each other. I see what you're saying about mafia potentially slipping (if Rosie is town) since they likely wouldn't want to take the chance of being her kill target? Pretty much its not something scum would wanna risk |
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logic340 said: This early on though, we can risk losing a couple of townies. I'd say I lose my usefulness by either day 4 or 5, depending on if I chose odd or even.Oyasumi_Rosie said: That all depends on how my read on you progresses. If you're town I'm not down with town sacrificing themselves (see Stay Dogs dead chat) plus we run the risk of losing two town (though you could hit mafia if they're on your train).Of course! As the old saying goes "Cull the herd to save the the calf" and all that jazz Ah but you can get two death for the price of one for me! Isn't info better than fluff? If you're scum we'll have to sacrifice a townie to lynch you eventually. You have way less to lose lynching me early than if you wait until way later. Trying to use my power to get scum isn't going to work. Or you could lose a lot if RNG picks you for lynch. :o I didn't think about that lol. |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: you and this RNG...lol. Still it doesn't tell me about your alignment in this situation though.Not to mentioning, knowing me, I would probably use RNG to kill whoever was on my train, unless I got a really good scum read on someone, which is super unlikely this early in the game. |
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logic340 said: I am an enigma. I am unknowable. I am the dark.Oyasumi_Rosie said: you and this RNG...lol. Still it doesn't tell me about your alignment in this situation though.Not to mentioning, knowing me, I would probably use RNG to kill whoever was on my train, unless I got a really good scum read on someone, which is super unlikely this early in the game. |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: Shinichi-Kun said: I know because they were all games where I died badly, or not at all. The only game I had a good death in was Final Fantasy. Best death, still salty.wait u choose ur target at the start of the game that doesnt make sense lol town hasnt won in like 6 games XD No.. have you read my role bro? lol oh i get what ya mean, ur saying u had to choose ur role before the game started so ruins the surprise. Ur death alone had nothing to do with losing it was 1 bad step but that alone did not force the outcome of a town lose |
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RE1031 said: Anyone one could lie. It may or may not be something we can exploit and use in towns favor? It could also lead to nothing but anything is worth a try I guess?logic340 said: if everyone revealed an honest list we can probably figure out the order in which the roles were giving out. Also depending on everybody's different list we may or may not be able to figure out who the mafia are based on the roles they pick first second and third. I'm assuming that's the abusing a gimmick people were talking about? I just realized for people who got selected closer to the end, they could still lie about the order of roles. For example, since Ruu claims to have gotten her last choice, she could lie about the order of all the other roles. |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: Not to mentioning, knowing me, I would probably use RNG to kill whoever was on my train, unless I got a really good scum read on someone, which is super unlikely this early in the game. rather u not rng in general lol, as a town aligned bomb u should put some serious thought into ur kill something i feel like vigilantes lack in doing. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I am serious though, serious about using Rng. If I don't have any hard scum reads, the outcome is still the same lolOyasumi_Rosie said: Not to mentioning, knowing me, I would probably use RNG to kill whoever was on my train, unless I got a really good scum read on someone, which is super unlikely this early in the game. rather u not rng in general lol, as a town aligned bomb u should put some serious thought into ur kill something i feel like vigilantes lack in doing. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: I agree with both of you. I know Rosie if she is town the RNG will be her thing unless she's sold on someone being scum, it's just how she does things. That being said I do hope she thinks about it before resigning herself to RNG if she does find herself in said situation. If she is scum then RNG on sacrificial town is pretty good for us?Oyasumi_Rosie said: Not to mentioning, knowing me, I would probably use RNG to kill whoever was on my train, unless I got a really good scum read on someone, which is super unlikely this early in the game. rather u not rng in general lol, as a town aligned bomb u should put some serious thought into ur kill something i feel like vigilantes lack in doing. |
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logic340 said: Interesting second choice. Do you think it has a lot of "potential"?yurkin said: it was my second choice so I'm quite happy. Thank you for the kind words. I hope to use it to its fullest potential.Hey hey logic :3 the duckling egg did go to its best possible owner. yurkin said: I agree. The occult egg is a good role to pressure early in the game.vote: wyndz Thought i'll vote for the one who got the occult egg as rvs, and here is it. ;3 Now going to sleep. Good night y'll... Vote: WyNdZ Did you get the role that you want? Where did you place it on the list and why? Who is the confirmed town? RE1031 said: Meh, I don't think it's really worth the hazzle to be honest. Why would the mafia even lie about their list when it's much easier to just talk your way out of it. In other words, the mafia wouldn't feel pressured by that kind of "massclaim".Theoretically if we were to reveal our lists, we should be able to force everyone to tell the truth or otherwise face discrepancy and narrow down who's lying, but might not be worth or even allowed... And also, I think we will get pretty much the same information by just asking people "Did you get the role you want and why did you place it there on your list?" But if people wanna do it that way anyways, I of course don't mind sharing my list. |
Zymf said: Mason was one of my favorite roles as I like talking through things with others and I felt it was close to that role. I do think it has some potential to help me figure people out this game. I've seen it used in the hands of town (Suzune) and scum (Jackrito). I am hoping that I will be able to identify townies invite them to my club and work with them to ensnare the mafia.logic340 said: Interesting second choice. Do you think it has a lot of "potential"?it was my second choice so I'm quite happy. Thank you for the kind words. I hope to use it to its fullest potential. |
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| Below is my own personal quickly-made list of roles that I initially find the most townish and scummy. I will not give away my reasoning yet, but I encourage others to make a similar list ^^ I think it's a good place to start your analysis on other people. Townish roles: 1. Camouflaged Egg (Watcher) 2. Fullmetal Egg (Jailer) 3. Golden Egg (Lightning Rod) 9. Spooky Egg (Amnesiac) Scummy roles: 4. Explosive Egg (Bomb) 5. Occult Egg (Peeker) 7. Sparkling Egg (Reloader) 8. Royal Egg (Doublevoter) Neutral roles: 6. Duckling Egg (Neighborizer) 10. Decorative Egg (Artist) 11. Oeuf Suprême (Chef) 12. Green Egg & Ham (Egg Thrower) |
Zymf said: Below is my own personal quickly-made list of roles that I initially find the most townish and scummy. I will not give away my reasoning yet, but I encourage others to make a similar list ^^ I think it's a good place to start your analysis on other people. Townish roles: 1. Camouflaged Egg (Watcher) 2. Fullmetal Egg (Jailer) 3. Golden Egg (Lightning Rod) 9. Spooky Egg (Amnesiac) Scummy roles: 4. Explosive Egg (Bomb) 5. Occult Egg (Peeker) 7. Sparkling Egg (Reloader) 8. Royal Egg (Doublevoter) Neutral roles: 6. Duckling Egg (Neighborizer) 10. Decorative Egg (Artist) 11. Oeuf Suprême (Chef) 12. Green Egg & Ham (Egg Thrower) Reasoning can go a lot of ways. I think I understand some of yours others not so much, Townish roles: 2. Fullmetal Egg (Jailer) 3. Golden Egg (Lightning Rod) 10. Decorative Egg (Artist) 11. Oeuf Suprême (Chef) 12. Green Egg & Ham (Egg Thrower) Scummy roles: 4. Explosive Egg (Bomb) 5. Occult Egg (Peeker) 7. Sparkling Egg (Reloader) Neutral roles (could go both ways): 1. Camouflaged Egg (Watcher) 6. Duckling Egg (Neighborizer) 8. Royal Egg (Doublevoter) 9. Spooky Egg (Amnesiac) |
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Zymf said: Yes I read the role. It's 1-shot unless I get a reload from yurkin. @logic340 You do know that you can only use your ability on 1 player, right? Going to bed, c'ya sometime tomorrow when I have time. |
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| @Zymf why do you think Amnesiac is a townish role? Just curious... Some stuff that caught my attention: - Rosie won't get NK'd if she is town. - Zymf voted for a person that already had two votes. And I like it (weird I know because I usually think of this as scummy but I learned from experience that it is not ) - logic is being logic but I know I need to be careful to avoid getting pocket by him >_> - Scum wouldn't lead a Rosie lynch but again Rosie could be scum xD nothing more to say for now... |
Ruu said: @Zymf why do you think Amnesiac is a townish role? Just curious... Some stuff that caught my attention: - Rosie won't get NK'd if she is town. - Zymf voted for a person that already had two votes. And I like it (weird I know because I usually think of this as scummy but I learned from experience that it is not ) - logic is being logic but I know I need to be careful to avoid getting pocket by him >_> - Scum wouldn't lead a Rosie lynch but again Rosie could be scum xD nothing more to say for now... Regardless of her alignment I don't see Rosie being Night Killed You and 3 votes on a train....what do you think it means for his alignment? What does logic being logic even mean? Got my eye on you too babe >_> Scum could for various reasons (if she is town) but I agree it seems unlikely at this point. What are your thoughts on Shinichi so far? He's posted quite a bit. |
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logic340 said: Zymf said: Below is my own personal quickly-made list of roles that I initially find the most townish and scummy. I will not give away my reasoning yet, but I encourage others to make a similar list ^^ I think it's a good place to start your analysis on other people. Townish roles: 1. Camouflaged Egg (Watcher) 2. Fullmetal Egg (Jailer) 3. Golden Egg (Lightning Rod) 9. Spooky Egg (Amnesiac) Scummy roles: 4. Explosive Egg (Bomb) 5. Occult Egg (Peeker) 7. Sparkling Egg (Reloader) 8. Royal Egg (Doublevoter) Neutral roles: 6. Duckling Egg (Neighborizer) 10. Decorative Egg (Artist) 11. Oeuf Suprême (Chef) 12. Green Egg & Ham (Egg Thrower) Reasoning can go a lot of ways. I think I understand some of yours others not so much, Townish roles: 2. Fullmetal Egg (Jailer) 3. Golden Egg (Lightning Rod) 10. Decorative Egg (Artist) 11. Oeuf Suprême (Chef) 12. Green Egg & Ham (Egg Thrower) Scummy roles: 4. Explosive Egg (Bomb) 5. Occult Egg (Peeker) 7. Sparkling Egg (Reloader) Neutral roles (could go both ways): 1. Camouflaged Egg (Watcher) 6. Duckling Egg (Neighborizer) 8. Royal Egg (Doublevoter) 9. Spooky Egg (Amnesiac) I am scum no matter what? What if I picked it because Kira is my second favorite jojo villain? |
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Shinichi said: vote:rosie feel like ur role and character are a good start for pressure. A couple of questions, here: 1. How on earth is Rosie's role a good start for pressure? 2. Doesn't stating that your vote is for pressure.. remove the fact that it is a pressure vote? I'm confused as to what you're trying to accomplish here. Shinichi said: Don't answer this before Rosie responds, but I want to hear how her response gives you any insight on her alignment.I know her role, i just wanna see how she reacts to the pressure being the role she is thats all. Rosie said: Why are you voting for someone who is not in the game?anyways Vote:Grapefruit21 One day I'll get him >:3c I am kind of nervous about the people asking Wyndz about who the confirmed townie is. In my mind, the best way to use that sort of role (one random cop check on a townie) is to reveal who it is when that townie gets pressured or is run up, so that we can use that information to catch overeager scum on the wagon. RE and Zymf trying to fish that information out of Wyndz even before they've posted feels like an attempt to figure out who a confirmed townie is so that they don't have to pressure them, and it doesn't sit well with me. Vote RE1031 Hi. 1. Why do you want to fish the confirmed townie information out of Wyndz, even before they have even posted? 2. All of your posts are about mechanics so far. When can I expect you to get down and dirty with behavioral analysis? |
Why are you scum no matter what? This is my interpretation of who would want what roles not where they ended up. What is your interpretation? Which roles do you think town and scum would be shooting for? |
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Ruu said: Why is it not? I am curious to hear your reasoning.- Zymf voted for a person that already had two votes. And I like it (weird I know because I usually think of this as scummy but I learned from experience that it is not ) Three people voted for Wyndz. Do you think there could be scum between any of them? |
Oyasumi_Rosie said: Shinichi-Kun said: I am serious though, serious about using Rng. If I don't have any hard scum reads, the outcome is still the same lolrather u not rng in general lol, as a town aligned bomb u should put some serious thought into ur kill something i feel like vigilantes lack in doing. its not the same because there is more town aligned options than scum aligned options XD. |
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