| Comparatively speaking to other mediums, anime is actually on the better side of having more respectable female protagonists. |
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martiooo said: your attacking western media. Have you seen teen titans? Power puff girls? Avatar? Adventure time? From your response I guess you haven't or completely forgot about how well portrayed the female characters are in the series listed. But yes this is not a problem only japan facesYou act as if anime has a bad issue with casting female heroines. Have you even seen western media? Not only do they not cast females as heroines often but most are trash conveying nothing but low voiced characterization and fanservice. Low voiced characterization, what is that good for? Faux-melodrama and try-hard badassery? Think about it, Anime's heroines often display far more human and feminine characteristics, and yes, they're actually roles instead of almost eliminated like western media. Look at the female cosplayers, TONS of females identify with anime female characters and that's a fact. Far more girls are identifying with anime than anything western. Besides if I were to list anything anime off the top of my head all I can find are good heroines: Saber, Mikasa, Asuna, and those are just starters. It seems to me your problem is two-fold. Not only do you watch shit anime but you have a shit non-sensical opinion. |
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My avatar.. Mauve from ACCA-13... is one of the example or respectable female protagonist... if you wondering why.. you might need to watch the show if you havent.. even if I couldnt guarantee you might like the anime...  |
"It’s so ri-ri-diculous that I h-hope you understand even if I st-st-stutter, my t-t-talking ability is a little lacking Still I wanted to at least s-speak co-co-correctly but my mouth keeps getting c-c-crooked because I lo-lo-love it so much, love it so mu-much " [signature] |
| If you can't respect women, that's on your lack of diversity not the Anime industry's. Anyway, the specific type of women you only want to see in anime are everywhere, just watch better anime... In my 3 favourite animes there are independent women. Lucy (Elfen Lied), she may be a bloodthirsty manic, but she is by no means weak and is probably the strongest character in that anime. Kallen (Code Geass), she's the strongest pilot in the show, well she's evenly matched with Suzaku. Rem (Re:Zero), should I go on..... |
Kenna_Pyralis said: PoeticJustice said: I do not mind them be sexualised otherwise I would not be an anime fan but in anime there is a huge gap in the majority in respectable male characters and respectable female characters who are not just archetypes and yell something like "kirito-sama!" who are not always/only after the DYou can't respect a woman who isn't sexualized or wants to attract a male? I am sure you are a hit with the ladies my friend. You? An anime fan? Based on your profile, you only watch the Shounen genre. Anime consists of more than just that genre. Being an anime fan means you gotta watch and enjoy variety of genres. Also, I forgot to mention the whole cast of Sailor Moon are very respectable as well. |
MeesterYellowMay 11, 2017 12:39 PM
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imbricator said: The Claymore women basically don't engage in any performative activity relating to "traditional" female gender roles - maternal, romantic, sexual, physical weakness (the strongest female warriors are categorically stronger than the males). So in Claymore women aren't women? Everything you said about the show is completely unrealistic. So Suspension of disbelief is non-existent. |
Eufie said: My avatar.. Mauve from ACCA-13... is one of the example or respectable female protagonist... if you wondering why.. you might need to watch the show if you havent.. even if I couldnt guarantee you might like the anime... She looks quite interesting, is the anime decent? |
Onyx-Sentinel said: Eufie said: My avatar.. Mauve from ACCA-13... is one of the example or respectable female protagonist... if you wondering why.. you might need to watch the show if you havent.. even if I couldnt guarantee you might like the anime... She looks quite interesting, is the anime decent? Well for me yes :) its made by Madhouse btw... but some people think its kinda boring hehe |
"It’s so ri-ri-diculous that I h-hope you understand even if I st-st-stutter, my t-t-talking ability is a little lacking Still I wanted to at least s-speak co-co-correctly but my mouth keeps getting c-c-crooked because I lo-lo-love it so much, love it so mu-much " [signature] |
| From my experience, it's rare for a show that has a respectable female protagonist to be bad. It gets tiresome to see the way they portray girls in most animes. |
ArtIsAnExplosion said: From my experience, it's rare for a show that has a respectable female protagonist to be bad. It gets tiresome to see the way they portray girls in most animes. Lots of shows that push a strong women protagonist can be bad, that's bias. It also gets tiring of shows forcing strong/independent women in them, it happens all the time in Western TV, it would ruin anime if the same thing happened. |
| Well Rukia from Bleach is pretty much respected, although I hate her. And don't forget about Mikasa. |
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| I can kinda see where you're coming from. There are some legit cool, badass women in anime of all different types that doesn't just include fighters, but for every awesome female character, there's a slew of harem fodder that are made to pander to general otakus. In terms of heroines that may fit your bill, Youko Nakajima from The Twelve Kingdoms always comes to mind for me. She starts off as a weak, pathetic, rather unlikable character but as the series progress she becomes a strong, fierce leader all on her own accord. |
KillerTune12May 11, 2017 2:09 PM
Eufie said: My avatar.. Mauve from ACCA-13... is one of the example or respectable female protagonist... if you wondering why.. you might need to watch the show if you havent.. even if I couldnt guarantee you might like the anime... I agree with you but I wanted, and expected more from her (I blame the show). There's Konatsu from Rakugo. You will not be disappointed, I guess. |
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Lack of respectable women in anime? Well... And like the others have said...there's plenty of anime out there that have respectable women. You just have to find them. |
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| *reads thread* *checks own anime list* *reads thread again* Yeah not even worth debunking this massive pile of bullshit. |
jal90May 11, 2017 2:50 PM
Onyx-Sentinel said: Lots of shows that push a strong women protagonist can be bad, that's bias. It also gets tiring of shows forcing strong/independent women in them, it happens all the time in Western TV, it would ruin anime if the same thing happened. I believe it, but from my experience that hasn't happened yet. Maybe with Black Lagoon, which I found a bit boring, but I'm not sure we can consider Revy a protagonist. Agree 100% about the second paragraph, but it's not what this is about though. They shouldn't be forced in the shows, they should just be a part of it. I'm not advocating that anime should get rid of the helpless kind of girls, but it should be even. Not to fill some bs quota, but because it would make the shows better. |
pondipat said: Eufie said: My avatar.. Mauve from ACCA-13... is one of the example or respectable female protagonist... if you wondering why.. you might need to watch the show if you havent.. even if I couldnt guarantee you might like the anime... I agree with you but I wanted, and expected more from her (I blame the show). There's Konatsu from Rakugo. You will not be disappointed, I guess. Oh ya true... like the anime only showed her up a little thats what I dislike as well... cause I consider Mauve is important as well lol I might need to read the manga.. hehe |
EufieMay 11, 2017 3:50 PM
"It’s so ri-ri-diculous that I h-hope you understand even if I st-st-stutter, my t-t-talking ability is a little lacking Still I wanted to at least s-speak co-co-correctly but my mouth keeps getting c-c-crooked because I lo-lo-love it so much, love it so mu-much " [signature] |
Revy.... anyone? Or Re-l Mayer? They kinda rock ^^  |
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| But... I can't like a girl if she doesn't have a generic factor! It sorta doesn't... make me feel like myself... and it frightens me :') |
| Cuteness > Everything else Cuteness is Love, Cuteness is Life |
| Anime has tons of excellent female characters. Sticking strictly to protagonist-level characters, even in my small amount of experience there's Makoto, Hana, Faye, Kino, Yona, Hagumi, Lafiel, Togame, Usagi, Holo, etc. on top of the majority of the female cast in One Piece, Hero Academia, Monster, Space Brothers, ACCA, Shokugeki no Souma, and virtually every single mahou shoujo you'll watch. I haven't even watched a lot of the shows known for their great female leads, and I've encountered excellent female characters that aren't defined by romantic interest a lot. (Being defined by their romantic interest does not make a character bad, btw, male or female. See Yamada from Honey & Clover.) Also, Sakura Quest is airing as we speak. Go watch that. jal90 said: *reads thread* *checks own anime list* *reads thread again* Yeah not even worth debunking this massive pile of bullshit. You don't understand, jal! Kino is a horrible one-dimensional character with no agency of her own! Smh. |
TripleSRankMay 11, 2017 3:59 PM
Kenna_Pyralis said: There is a HUGE amount of female characters who are just archetypes (anything that ends in "dere" these days), Moe blobs, cute for the sake of being cute, very generic, bland, needs to be "protected" and only there for fan service induced cancer instead of actual respectable mentally strong/have their own ideals which isn't something like "Kirito-sama!". (btw the list goes on) basically anything otaku bait. I am no feminist by today's definition but can we have someone like Shirayuki(snow white with red hair), Caska during gold age arc(berserk) or in non-animemovie some like Katniss Everdeen(from hunger games) or Beatrice Prior(from divergant). It really saddens me when the top 50 most popular anime on MAL does not have a single main female lead that isn't otaku bait, bland love interest, female archetype or just a fanservice female model(I challenge you on that btw). even though its not in the top 50 most popular look at seven deadly sins as an example. Elizabeth is a bland fan service model who pretends to have her own ideals but in reality gathering the sins is an excuse to be with meliodas-sama(at least she does not take the goal seriously imo) and a 1 dimensional love interest. nothing respectable in the least. the same with diane "Meliodas-sama" and fanservice model love interest with no real ideals of her own. What I am trying to say is that I can like these characters but I cannot respect these characters. Is there any prevalent respectable female characters in anime with their own ideals and why is this a very unpopular trend in anime fans? Go watch some good shoujo and josei then come back and try asking again. This questions too easy |
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TripleSRank said: jal90 said: *reads thread* *checks own anime list* *reads thread again* Yeah not even worth debunking this massive pile of bullshit. You don't understand, jal! Kino is a horrible one-dimensional character with no agency of her own! Smh. She's lucky to have Hermes with her. Men always save the day, even if they come in the shape of a motorbike. |
| *Answering to the thread... about opinion.. Kenna_Pyralis said: There is a HUGE amount of female characters who are just archetypes (anything that ends in "dere" these days), Moe blobs, cute for the sake of being cute, very generic, bland, needs to be "protected" and only there for fan service induced cancer instead of actual respectable mentally strong/have their own ideals which isn't something like "Kirito-sama!". (btw the list goes on) basically anything otaku bait. I am no feminist by today's definition but can we have someone like Shirayuki(snow white with red hair), Caska during gold age arc(berserk) or in non-animemovie some like Katniss Everdeen(from hunger games) or Beatrice Prior(from divergant). It really saddens me when the top 50 most popular anime on MAL does not have a single main female lead that isn't otaku bait, bland love interest, female archetype or just a fanservice female model(I challenge you on that btw). even though its not in the top 50 most popular look at seven deadly sins as an example. Elizabeth is a bland fan service model who pretends to have her own ideals but in reality gathering the sins is an excuse to be with meliodas-sama(at least she does not take the goal seriously imo) and a 1 dimensional love interest. nothing respectable in the least. the same with diane "Meliodas-sama" and fanservice model love interest with no real ideals of her own. What I am trying to say is that I can like these characters but I cannot respect these characters. Is there any prevalent respectable female characters in anime with their own ideals and why is this a very unpopular trend in anime fans? Well like I understand your point as you only mention the top 50.. I think its not the anime that is lack of it, its just either the majority of what people here like or prefer more and maybe you happen to only find the anime with female character with the criteria that you dont like or its just the way you view the female character only on the side that you dont like.. but again.. it doesnt mean that the anime lack of respectable character or something... people here been mentioning female characters which we consider respectable so (include me #56)... I suggest you to check those anime we mention.... well.. I believe people have reason on why they put those anime character at their favorite list so.... and its their opinion... I guess... For example.. why I put these two character that you might consider unrespectful Kuriyama Mirai and Jibril... for Kuriyama Mirai... I like the process of her gradually opening herself to others.. as well as.. she might appear to be cute, clumsy etc.. but she also struggle in life, in fact and she doesnt seems to be a character that is whiny and annoying.. and for Jibril.. she value knowledge at high level which I like from her.. despite Sora and Shiro is only a mere human yet Jibril is the strongest Flugel which could kill both anytime (well by ignoring the 10 pledges ofc lol).. she respect them because of the new knowledge that Jibril didnt know as well as they beat her in match and her curiosity as well.. so she is definetely not only the side of "Sora-sama" kinda thing... she is not stupid, she choose whoever worthed her respect.. I think... and thats a plus point for me.. well ya thats the example... |
EufieMay 11, 2017 4:35 PM
"It’s so ri-ri-diculous that I h-hope you understand even if I st-st-stutter, my t-t-talking ability is a little lacking Still I wanted to at least s-speak co-co-correctly but my mouth keeps getting c-c-crooked because I lo-lo-love it so much, love it so mu-much " [signature] |
Kenna_Pyralis said: There is a HUGE amount of female characters who are just archetypes (anything that ends in "dere" these days), Moe blobs, cute for the sake of being cute, very generic, bland, needs to be "protected" and only there for fan service induced cancer instead of actual respectable mentally strong/have their own ideals which isn't something like "Kirito-sama!". (btw the list goes on) basically anything otaku bait. I am no feminist by today's definition but can we have someone like Shirayuki(snow white with red hair), Caska during gold age arc(berserk) or in non-animemovie some like Katniss Everdeen(from hunger games) or Beatrice Prior(from divergant). It really saddens me when the top 50 most popular anime on MAL does not have a single main female lead that isn't otaku bait, bland love interest, female archetype or just a fanservice female model(I challenge you on that btw). even though its not in the top 50 most popular look at seven deadly sins as an example. Elizabeth is a bland fan service model who pretends to have her own ideals but in reality gathering the sins is an excuse to be with meliodas-sama(at least she does not take the goal seriously imo) and a 1 dimensional love interest. nothing respectable in the least. the same with diane "Meliodas-sama" and fanservice model love interest with no real ideals of her own. What I am trying to say is that I can like these characters but I cannot respect these characters. Is there any prevalent respectable female characters in anime with their own ideals and why is this a very unpopular trend in anime fans? Op I think you have a low opinion of female characters in general. |
| Good female characters are totally under-represented in all forms of media and not just anime, unfortunately :c |
| What about Gintama? Lots of cool female characters and takes up most of the top 10 list |
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| I feel ya. It is getting tiring watching anime where girls fall into a number of pitfall tropes: For you, a list of recommendations: |
Tpfang56May 11, 2017 5:18 PM
| personally, yes I do think their should be more heroin in anime |
| Go watch some Miyazaki anime. He's known for his strong female protagonists. |
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| I really don't have any problem with that. If the lead is male or female, or if it hase more dimensions. My favorite Char is almost never the MC, so I am okay with that. But the top 50? That are pretty few. Other very good Animes like Angel Beats are okay I think. In Angelbeats Yuri is a MC too, and Yuri is pretty deep. |
| In any case this is some backwards thinking if you ask me. "Respecting" an anime girl is just another way for getting to like her. That doesn't mean you can't like her for some totally different reason too though. In the end as long as you still like her for whatever reason, there's no point in complaining about it I.E: an anime girl needs to be likeable to be respectable, but she doesn't need to be respectable to be likeable |
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| Hasn't this thread been made countless times already. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1576849 |
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| the only "cancer" are people making feminazi threads complaining about male fantasies as if your fantasizes are any more "realistic" than the women are in anime are peoples fantasies generally realistic? NO so why do you expect anime girls to be realistic? are anime girls not fantasies? plz.. you're basically telling japanese men what to fantasize about |
EcchiGodMamsterMay 12, 2017 2:49 AM
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| You're goddamn right. Looking at my favourite characters, we have some awesome ones, but only 1 girl (Haruko from FLCL). I'm not sexist at all, each character there is my favourite because it was deserved. Looking at my whole list, is pretty hard to find female main characters, and very expressive girls/women. I started watching exactly 111 anime, and this is the list of female MC's. Re-L Mayer - Ergo Proxy Lucy - Elfen Lied (is Lucy really the MC?) I could say Haruko is the main in FLCL, but in reality, that stupid kid is the MC. Major Kusanagi - Ghost in the Shell In Hanamonogatari Kanbaru is the main, but Araragi is the MC in the Monogatari Series Matoi Ryuuko - Kill la Kill (one of the few female that are really "strong and independent" even though this anime has LOADS of fan service) San - Mononoke Hime (Probably that guy with the hard to remember name is the MC, but San is great) Tanaka Ai - Planetes (I believe she is more important than Hoshino) Sen/Chihiro - Sen to Chihiro no Kamikakushi Maka Albarn - Soul Eater Those annoying kids - Tonari no Totoro And that's it. There are some honorable mentions of great female characters like Faye Valentine, Casca, Saber, Makise Kurisu, C.C. and Kagura. You can say "watch better anime", but I wish we had more great main girls in the popular series, instead of whiny guys like Yukiteru from Mirai Nikki. (Gosh, that was 11 female MC's in a list with 111 anime) |
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| ^ This. My favorites are filled with strong-willed females, so this kind of thread always baffles me. Just try to avoid light-novel adaptations or mediocre shounen/seinen titles if you wanna avoid most -dere archetypes. |
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| I say Lady Integra Hellsing!! She is burring a big burden to be the head of the Hellsing clan. of course she has Alucard but even without him she is not weak or anxious. She is a strong person and I have a lot of respect for her Major Kusanagi and Erza Scarlet are also strong female characters but there is also also a big foucs on their bodies |
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| Maybe we've just been watching different anime and I haven't really seen that many anime so I might not be the right person to come to conclusions. But I have no problem thinking of strong female protagonists that don't need no man. The girls from Hayao Miyazakis films Major from Ghost in the Shell Casca from Berserk Seras and Integra from Hellsing Revy from Black Lagoon Re-i from Ergo Proxy Most girls from Prison School (yeah, they might be naked or half naked a lot of times, but they kick ass) Just some examples of stuff I've watched. I tend to avoid many of the popular anime series however. If you check the top 50 movies on IMDb, very few of them even have female leads. http://www.imdb.com/chart/top |
Zoldra0May 12, 2017 3:58 AM
Kenna_Pyralis said: PoeticJustice said: I do not mind them be sexualised otherwise I would not be an anime fan but in anime there is a huge gap in the majority in respectable male characters and respectable female characters who are not just archetypes and yell something like "kirito-sama!" who are not always/only after the DYou can't respect a woman who isn't sexualized or wants to attract a male? I am sure you are a hit with the ladies my friend. Go on, name me some "respectable" male characters, and I will tell you they're archetypes. I have the whole TVTropes to tell me how archetypical your examples are. |
| I find hardly any anime character "respectable". It doesnt matter if boy, girl or attack helicopter. But I guess its down to this - biggest otaku group is probably male - so the MC is male. Everyone else is mostly filler character anyway. And what is wrong with cute grils? ^^ |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| What the heck is "respectable" in the first place? Being multilayered? |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
Cuube said: Why do you believe so then? you have not seen even remotely enough anime to make such a statement, New or old and well, new and old are not so different, all the things that we have now were there in the old days as well. You have not said a single thing about the industry, all you said was about anime, big difference. People sharing the same opinion as you mean nothing. At least practice what you preach, if you are gonna to act like you do not like flaming, do not flame yourself. Haha, you haven't even seen enough anime to prove my statement wrong. It's a subjective opinion to begin with. I find it funny you claim others to be "retards" for saying a subjective opinion, but you fail to realise that it makes you look like a dumbass in the end. So, you want an authoritative statement from somebody with 700+ anime watched? Anime authors make all kinds of female characters for all kinds of reasons. There are crazy-awesome girls who do cool things because it's cool, like Suzumiya Haruhi and Kurokami Medaka. There are pathetic girls who need to be helped all the time, like Shiina Mashiro. There are idealists who are willing to fight with honor and make the world a better place, like Saber. There are selfish girls who are doing things for themselves, like Gasai Yuno or Yamada. There are girls with lots of agency and girls who aren't ever doing anything on their own. I wish self-proclaimed critics would stop with this "otaku pandering" bullshit. Just because you didn't like a character for some political reason, doesn't mean she doesn't deserve to exist. Just because you do not understand a character's role in an intricately woven tapestry of a story, doesn't mean she is there to be eye candy. When you're talking against lovable female characters, you're saying "I hate men and wish them to be unhappy". When you're complaining that a character is "flat", "lacks complexity" or anything along these lines, you're saying "genres apart from 'psychological' shoudn't exist". Cuube said: Oh, so i'm a retard for stating my opinion towards the anime industry? As far as i'm concerned my opinion is shared with alot of other people. If you find my opinion to be so wrong why not just ask why i belive so/or say what's wrong with it? instead of trying to flame me like some little virgin keyboard warrior? You're a retard for discriminating against a big group of people called "otaku". Onyx-Sentinel said: imbricator said: The Claymore women basically don't engage in any performative activity relating to "traditional" female gender roles - maternal, romantic, sexual, physical weakness (the strongest female warriors are categorically stronger than the males). So in Claymore women aren't women? Everything you said about the show is completely unrealistic. So Suspension of disbelief is non-existent. Claymores are scary magically engineered weapons of destruction in the shape of women. They aren't "realistic" in any way, nor they are meant to be. Next time, will you be complaining about realism of Kantai Collection? |
flannanMay 12, 2017 6:26 AM
| Alrighty. Show the abundance of complex, well-written, deep and non-archetypical male characters. |
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| Geez, I don't agree with OP, but a part of the forum really has a small problem with being defensive in an ''aggresive/annoyed'' way. I mean isn't it good that this stuff is discussed in a forum instead of being stated as a fact in some article? |
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