boybandz said: I never got the appeal of this show either. There are shows like FMA;B and Cowboy Bebop that i didn't like personally but i can see how they might resonate with others, as they actually have things going for them. Steins Gate has nothing going for it. I watched 8 episodes of it and it had some of the blandest characters imaginable with 0 plot progression. Apparently Okabe laughing loudly and saying that ''the organization'' is after him 15 times is considered brilliant writing. To each his own i guess... It starts to get good from episode 10. The first half of the show is boring, but the plot later reveals things that will make you look at it in a different way. Disliking a show is completely fine, but don't act like the show is generic when you haven't even finished it yet. That is just foolish. |
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HamburgerSpike said: Can someone who has achieved objectively good taste tell me if Steins;Gate is really worth it? Its one of the few I havent seen from the top. No. It's underwhelming, the characters are annoying and fit the visual novel-stereotype perfectly. The plot is decent, but very slow in the first 12 episodes. Also the waifus are mediocre, so it's not really interesting to watch how the MC tries to save them. In terms of time travel, it's probably better than most anime out there, but that really does'nt say much. You're better of watching something else. |
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Ynwe said: 1) its either very childish and then suddenly serious. Dunno for me the tempo of the show just didn't fit 2) characters are super flat. Fat nerd, b-baka! type tsundere main girl, and all others also follow a very generic stereotype. Also no character development. Even if the timeline is rather short and repeated, the characters feel lifeless for me 3) Okarin.. The main character does a bunch of stupid shit, for example when he is desperately trying to save a certain person, his actions he takes are beyond pathetic and if he would get caught once, would be final... He involves everyone anyway, but they have to drag it out of him. 4) story. It really isn't that creative or mindblowing. It has a nice idea, but not much more Sorry OP, I think you just described Re:Zero. |
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Ynwe said: Aquamirror said: OP has absolute shit taste, I don't have time to explain, stopped reading at point 4. If you think S;G has generic boring plot, you don't even know what you are talking about. I agree it's not a mindless braindead action anime and if you don't take up your brain to do some work it won't look that good. It incorporates so many real concepts and urban legends/conspiracies, it's pretty unique and well done. And characters aren't really that flat for such plot structure if you actually think about what and why they do it. See, most people don't understand the plot and ask stupid questions. Hot damn sorry for insulting your anime there. Also it REALLY doesn't take a lot to think about, it really doesn't have that much depth or complexity. As others have pointed out, you can really see how the end is coming, heck all you need to do is have seen/read harry potter 3 and you know how the damn ending will play out It's been a while since I watched Harry Potter 3 so I fail to see the similarities. Also depth and complexity aren't an indicator of how good something is, at least in my opinion I mean the plot of one of my favorite games is angry demigod punches everything a lot and it still manages to tell a story of friendship, betrayal and more punching. I think you might have been a victim of going in expecting too much from a show that just wanted to tell a simple, stupid story of a man, a microwave and how they destroyed the space time continuum together. |
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boybandz said: Apoc_Revolution said: It starts to get good from episode 10. The first half of the show is boring, but the plot later reveals things that will make you look at it in a different way. Disliking a show is completely fine, but don't act like the show is generic when you haven't even finished it yet. That is just foolish. So according to you i need to watch the entirety of Sword Art Online to say it's a generic pile of garbage? I don't think so. If the show doesn't nothing right in 8 episodes there's no reason to think it will during the rest of the episodes. It does everything right to set up the tone and develop the characters and the time travel mechanics. Definitely not a waste of time and totally not boring episodes. Although, if you are looking for mindless action, S;G isn't for you obviously. There is a lot of stuff happening in these episodes actually, but they aren't "in your face". imeli said: However, the fact that I have to read a bunch of manga along with the anime and possibly wait for an entire new season (S;G 0) to come out in order to fully complete the show has caused me to put it on hold for the time being. No, the story is fully complete even with the first anime. Mangas and other stuff are mostly alternative stories and non-canon. Sure, S;G 0 expands the full story, but everything relevant is already explained. imeli said: You're right about Okarin though, I honestly think he was designed with some type of autism along with megalomania. Mayushii is a better character design than Okarin, even if she's basically a 6 year old in a 16 year old's body. Okabe isn't a retard... He is acting like that to cover his true self and being a huge support for Mayuri (who is also a huge support for him). She isn't actually that retarded either. |
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| Lol. I am new to MAL and was thinking of starting this same exact thread. Steins Gate was an OK anime to me. Watchable just once. I always felt the following points were too hard to be ignored when I tried to think why it was rated 9+ here: 1) For a time travel concept that was supposed to be explained scientifically, the D-mails didnt have good scientific explanation into it that everyone can easily understand 2) I found the romance between Okabe and Makise simply put there just coz there had to be some romance. The story wudnt have suffered a bit even without the romance 3) The idea of sending a person's memories digitalized as information was something i found as a novel idea rather than the actual physical time travel that most other fiction I have seen and got bored of. But that was explained as information being passed through a small black hole to be compressed and then send back in time. If anything, time slows down in a black hole, meaning that information wud actually arrive in the FUTURE of the normal world rather than the past 4) I also couldnt understand how Okabe manages to prevent World War 3 by switching that metal trinket with an ordinary one. I guess I wasnt paying a lot of attention but cudnt understand how that became the turning point of WW3. Some one pls tell me 5) I cudnt find any use for the John titor character. Sure she guided Okabe by replying to his questions sometimes but other than that, what she did? Pls explain these questions coz I wanna know if there was more that could have been done to make this anime truly deserve a 9+ rating |
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HamburgerSpike said: Can someone who has achieved objectively good taste tell me if Steins;Gate is really worth it? Its one of the few I havent seen from the top. Dunno if I count, you'll be the judge, but I found it insulting. Couldn't get rid of the feeling that the writer thinks I'm an idiot. And the fucking Dr Pepper ads were pure cancer. |
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Clebardman said: HamburgerSpike said: Can someone who has achieved objectively good taste tell me if Steins;Gate is really worth it? Its one of the few I havent seen from the top. Dunno if I count, you'll be the judge, but I found it insulting. Couldn't get rid of the feeling that the writer thinks I'm an idiot. And the fucking Dr Pepper ads were pure cancer. Yo, I like Dr Pepper and I think its very underappreciated compared to like Cola, Fanta, Sprite and the rest. Ive never seen anyone buy it either @romagia @zumac @kodial thanks, so the votes are 2-2, should I skip every second episode? I guess ill try it in like year when I dont have stuff to watch |
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HamburgerSpike said: Can someone who has achieved objectively good taste tell me if Steins;Gate is really worth it? Its one of the few I haven't seen from the top.  Oh, yes. It's totally good, objectively, yes. |
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boybandz said: Apoc_Revolution said: It starts to get good from episode 10. The first half of the show is boring, but the plot later reveals things that will make you look at it in a different way. Disliking a show is completely fine, but don't act like the show is generic when you haven't even finished it yet. That is just foolish. So according to you i need to watch the entirety of Sword Art Online to say it's a generic pile of garbage? I don't think so. If the show doesn't nothing right in 8 episodes there's no reason to think it will during the rest of the episodes. You can only judge what you've seen so far. You're just assuming the rest of the show is just like the first half. So yes, that is foolish. |
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eyesalad said: It has conspiracies, a plot that slowly builds on itself and gets more tense with each episode and cute girls. Of course most people are going to eat it up. And that justifies a rating of 9.16? Why don't all anime have such a high rating , because there are many out there that fit your description. Not enough tuturuuuuu? |
HamburgerSpike said: yes that sounds like the rational way of doing itClebardman said: Dunno if I count, you'll be the judge, but I found it insulting. Couldn't get rid of the feeling that the writer thinks I'm an idiot. And the fucking Dr Pepper ads were pure cancer. Yo, I like Dr Pepper and I think its very underappreciated compared to like Cola, Fanta, Sprite and the rest. Ive never seen anyone buy it either @romagia @zumac @kodial thanks, so the votes are 2-2, should I skip every second episode? I guess ill try it in like year when I dont have stuff to watch you can also try the "2 episodes on 2 monitors" method zumac said: conspiracies and time travel shaenanigans are a relatively rare themeeyesalad said: It has conspiracies, a plot that slowly builds on itself and gets more tense with each episode and cute girls. Of course most people are going to eat it up. And that justifies a rating of 9.16? Why don't all anime have such a high rating , because there are many out there that fit your description. Not enough tuturuuuuu? it's also one of the few shows with a "labcoat moe" main girl and few "thriller" anime and chuuni protag it has many rare traits |
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imeli said: The idea that the Manga isn't canon is contradictory to itself because this is a time travel show. Have you even read the prologue? Or The Distant Valhalla? They might be on different divergence lines however it's still canon because Okarin put himself in those positions by choosing to time travel. I didn't say *all* side material is non-canon. They are more like "what if" scenarios and explanations of other divergences that had the potential to happen. They are side material and you don't need them to understand the main plot. imeli said: And about Okarin x Mayurii, this is one of the reasons why he is a retard. If she is such a huge support for him and vice versa, then why the hell is Okarin consistently trying to establish his own harem? He's been with Mayurii since childhood but would rather be surrounded by Tsunderes. It is never shown in the anime (at least to where I'm at in episode 15) that Okarin reciprocates any feelings Mayurii has towards him. Now I know you are a troll, but not sure if you are actually that retarded irl. /Okabe doesn't hold real love feelings for Mayuri, she is more of a child friend to him. |
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romagia said: HamburgerSpike said: yes that sounds like the rational way of doing itYo, I like Dr Pepper and I think its very underappreciated compared to like Cola, Fanta, Sprite and the rest. Ive never seen anyone buy it either @romagia @zumac @kodial thanks, so the votes are 2-2, should I skip every second episode? I guess ill try it in like year when I dont have stuff to watch you can also try the "2 episodes on 2 monitors" method zumac said: conspiracies and time travel shaenanigans are a relatively rare themeAnd that justifies a rating of 9.16? Why don't all anime have such a high rating , because there are many out there that fit your description. Not enough tuturuuuuu? it's also one of the few shows with a "labcoat moe" main girl and few "thriller" anime and chuuni protag it has many rare traits Other than the time travel stuff, the appeal is actually cute girls and a cringy MC? And it was'nt that thrilling. A good thriller anime would be Death Note. This shit is basically just save your cute girl with time traveling and conspiracies that went over most people's head and yet the same people gave it a 10. |
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zumac said: Other than the time travel stuff, the appeal is actually cute girls and a cringy MC? And it was'nt that thrilling. A good thriller anime would be Death Note. This shit is basically just save your cute girl with time traveling and conspiracies that went over most people's head and yet the same people gave it a 10. So time travel with detailed coherent plot is not enough of appeal for you? You can treat every anime like that if you strip everything from it, say Death Note is basically "le imma god and save evrione from criminals XDDDDD".. @imeli caring about someone and wanting to protect them doesn't mean you romantically love them.. The harem stuff is over-exaggaration, it might feel a bit like one, but there's so much more to it. See, Okabe isn't actually a psycho asshole and cares about the others around him, these endings have valid reasons to end like that. |
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Aquamirror said: zumac said: Other than the time travel stuff, the appeal is actually cute girls and a cringy MC? And it was'nt that thrilling. A good thriller anime would be Death Note. This shit is basically just save your cute girl with time traveling and conspiracies that went over most people's head and yet the same people gave it a 10. So time travel with detailed coherent plot is not enough of appeal for you? I never said anything against the time travel stuff, honestly I don't care that much about it. I aknowledge that Steins Gate is one of the few, maybe even the only anime out there that did it right, but for me everything else was'nt worth of a 9+ score. |
| Oh boy, a thread for bashing S;G? *pulls up a chair and cracks knuckles* First off, before I start ranting, let me address this appropriately: HamburgerSpike said: Can someone who has achieved objectively good taste tell me if Steins;Gate is really worth it? Its one of the few I havent seen from the top. LOL. Objectively good taste is a myth. On the other hand, objectively bad taste is a thing. If you're looking for that, check out my profile. :P Anyways, I had two main gripes with the series of which are kinda sorta mentioned within this thread, so I'll just go ahead and explain these problems further. 1) Character Interaction Let me start by saying I actually found a good amount of the dialogue in S;G to be witty and entertaining. The way each of the characters bounced off of each other worked fairly well. That being said, I have no idea why these characters are actually interacting like this in the first place. I (like many of the people in this thread apparently) found Okabe to be an extremely annoying character and had to really stretch my suspension of disbelief to accept the idea that any of the other characters would willingly maintain a close relationship with him. The point of which the suspension of disbelief snaps however is in the case of Kurisu Makise. I cannot ever fathom how such a smart, austere character like Makise could possibly humor the delusional ravings of some random NEET who's shoving bananas in microwaves because SCIENCE. Their entire exchange feels so shoed in that the only scenario I could ever see these two actually becoming a pair is through a dating sim...oh wait. To be fair, I haven't played the VN yet and cannot judge the quality of it, however when adapting something into anime, the staff behind it should be thinking about how things should be translating into a new media. In this case, it just ends up sloppy and unsatisfying. 2) Pretentious Presentation I don't know if this is something to do with the VN itself, but by god I found myself groaning the entire time by how "artsy" and "intense" the show was trying to act. Between the art, BGM, and general composition of scenes, I felt like S;G was pandering to a large audience of people who want to sound intelligent and analytical, but are unable to really delve down into technical and analyze intricacies. For an easy example, let's talk about the use of white space throughout. As any media analyst worth their salt would tell you, empty white spaces are utilized to convey a feeling of unease and a trance-like, surreal atmosphere. So how can we capitalize off this effect? I don't know, let's just throw white space excessively all over the screen in hopes that your average 15 year old will be able to pick up on this aesthetic idea and feel proud of their ability to recognize visual elements. In short, I felt the entire experience to be pandering and ungenuine. There was no heart behind this adaptation. They just wanted to convince everyone that they are deep and smart. Alright, well that's enough of that. Sorry for not directly responding to the comment chain, just wanted to get out my full opinion. Also, I have yet to see Re;Zero, but if it is similar in its elements, boy howdy I'm gonna have a fun time ripping that one up. |
imeli said: I might pick up the VN to experience all of the endings but with that being said, Okabe supposedly ends up a dictator, or with one of the female characters so it's very harem like. The dictator part is from a non-canon manga. Simply speaking, Okabe ends up with another girl because he gave up. imeli said: A "female" friend that I cared deeply about around the age of 18-20? No. I don't think that would have been possible or even is. They call it a friendzone for a reason. A "female" friend that I cared about and had emotions of lust and affection for at the age of 18-20? Yes. Though it's been years now and things have changed. You sound like a pathetic beta neckbeard. Mayuri might have feelings for him, but Okabe doesn't see her as a girlfriend. @abhutrash 1. Think about who is Makise, what life she had lived and what people she had met. Seeing "normal" people with similar interesets "doing" her job in a "normal" way is completely eye opening experience. It's the first time she can pretend to be normal as well and try to live a normal life with normal people, and not be treated strictly academically as a prodigy scientist. 2. What??? what??? I don't even... There isn't much white space and overall color palette is pretty dark, it achieved the intended atmosphere perfectly together with the sound. Re:Zero is basically SAO of time travel for edgy kids. |
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zumac said: @Aquamirror Subaru isn't anything like Kirito. He has more similarities with Okabe. Suspense is something I didn't feel from any of them. Steins Gate tried to explain its stuff. Rezero didn't. Thats it. Other than that, it's almost the same show. In that case, you are either blind or mentally challenged. |
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Aquamirror said: zumac said: @Aquamirror Subaru isn't anything like Kirito. He has more similarities with Okabe. Suspense is something I didn't feel from any of them. Steins Gate tried to explain its stuff. Rezero didn't. Thats it. Other than that, it's almost the same show. In that case, you are either blind or mentally challenged. You can hate the show, because it ripped off your favouite anime. But saying that it's content is shit, while liking almost the same, is nonsense. |
zumac said: You can hate the show, because it ripped off your favouite anime. But saying that it's content is shit, while liking almost the same, is nonsense. By your logic every time travel story is the same because it features someone saving someone else or trying to fix something from the past. Your definition of "almost the same" is fairly mind bending. Okabe time travels to save the world while Subaru time jumps (by authors choice) to advance the almost non-existant waifu plot. |
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Aquamirror said: zumac said: You can hate the show, because it ripped off your favouite anime. But saying that it's content is shit, while liking almost the same, is nonsense. By your logic every time travel story is the same because it features someone saving someone else or trying to fix something from the past. Your definition of "almost the same" is fairly mind bending. Okabe time travels to save the world while Subaru time jumps (by authors choice) to advance the almost non-existant waifu plot. MAL says Rezero novel was released in 2014 and Steins Gate visual novel in 2009. If the information is wrong, then it is the other way around :p As far as I remember from the anime, Okabe tried to save Kurisu, he didn't really give a fuck about the world. |
Aquamirror said: 1. Think about who is Makise, what life she had lived and what people she had met. Seeing "normal" people with similar interesets "doing" her job in a "normal" way is completely eye opening experience. It's the first time she can pretend to be normal as well and try to live a normal life with normal people, and not be treated strictly academically as a prodigy scientist. 2. What??? what??? I don't even... There isn't much white space and overall color palette is pretty dark, it achieved the intended atmosphere perfectly together with the sound. Re:Zero is basically SAO of time travel for edgy kids. 1. Yeah, I could see that becoming an interesting motivation for her actions, however I feel like the anime wasn't able to portray that effectively. If Makise is this 'prodigy scientist' who has had to deal with people hoisting her up on a pedestal all her life, it can be assumed that she has built up some emotional barriers. These barriers are prominently shown at the beginning, but just seem to melt away the second she got horny for Okabe. What did he do differently? Treat her like a normal human being? Psychologically, this is such a simple, reductive idea. It's not even remotely realistic. Anyone who would actually accept this relationship as valid either isn't thinking very much about it or has a juvenile grasp on the psychological implications of years of emotional dissonance. 2. Bear in mind, I've only watched the first 7 episodes. In these episodes, there is white space EVERYWHERE. Of course, as you mentioned, the palette gets significantly darker in the later episodes, because that's the most obvious route they could've taken from an artistic perspective. It's supposed to contrast the brightness of the first section to give off a bleak feeling, making the earlier scenes feel like a fond memory of simpler times. My problem with this effect is that it is so blaringly obvious. I felt like S;G was just shoving it in my face the entire time and I was just saying "I get it. I get it. I get it. Please move on." over and over throughout my watching experience. That being said, this is just one aspect of the atmosphere I think didn't work. Everything in the atmosphere just comes off as pretentious to me. You can like the show, good on you, but I'm just looking for something a little more nuanced, idk. eyesalad said: If the shot composition achieves its aims in setting an atmosphere, then it does its job well enough, even if it is excessive at times. Fair enough, I just found it to be excessive to the point of annoyance. |
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