The Saga of Tanya the Evil (light novel)
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| Can't believe this is one of few most dropped anime. I was so mad when this won on sky novel translation team's poll, hoping it should have been male lead. God, forgive me. |
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| I previously thought that epiosde 2 of Youjo Senki was the best episode of anime I've watched this season. And then I watched episode 5, and this is easily the best of the season. Her voice in the warning at the end of the episode, it was absolutely hilarious. And to counter anyone disbelieving her training regimen, while she did that to drive them away, there are actual instances of extremely intense training that can have that effect, especially when it causes psychological changes in the trainees, as is what happened here. L-Ryoshi said: LOL L-Ryoshi, I was going to discuss more about what I liked in the episode, but you covered it quite well. One thing that hasn't mentioned is that, by the end of the episode, she herself seems to have become a true believer of "her battalion"Ended up rewatching this episode alone 4 times. And it was just as good every single time. Love how despite creating an insanely OP mage squadron, her initial plan was actually to brutalize them unreasonable for a month so that they'd give up, so that she'd have an excuse not to actually head to the front lines. Her superiors, her subordinates will all be surprised by her efficiency and inspired by her "tough love" methods, but in the end what she wanted was for the project to ultimately fail and that they would send her back to the back lines for an easy life. In a sense, all her glorious victories are going against her plans for an easy life, and of course actually in favor of the so-called "Being X". That said, there were way too many comedic instances this episode. Viktoriya being so used to her "tough love" regimen and already digging her fox hole before the other soldiers knew what was going on was hilarious! As too was Tanya's greetings to the invasion forces and of course her "declaration of attack". As evil as she has been since the beginning, you really cannot help but love this loli, and the schadenfreude of all her plans being unstuck by her own efficiency and other's misunderstanding of her intentions and often portraying her as the OP hero rather than the sloth that she desires to be. Ganbat said: I'll forgive you, but only because you have a pic of Sena as your forum avatar ^_^Can't believe this is one of few most dropped anime. I was so mad when this won on sky novel translation team's poll, hoping it should have been male lead. God, forgive me. |
elkensteyinFeb 4, 2017 9:34 AM
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| Solid episode. The ending was amazing. |
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| My weekly dose of loli-Hitler didn't disappoint me. worldeditor11 said: This episode seems off, stupid even, I don't know. I mean, they want to portray war as realistic as possible and referencing to our own timeline of WWI. But despite all these, they include mages which is akin to jet fighters of today. No, upon watching this episode, mages in this series holds much more combat capability comparing to our fighters of today. ... Mages are stupidly overpowered in this anime until nothing short of a nuke can stop them other than their own. Hell, I will even say that may include our current time. While it's a military anime, it's also a fantasy one. It uses WWI as a sort of backdrop so we can understand the situation, and even some similar events, but it isn't the same. As long as mages exist to stop other mages, there isn't much of a problem with them being super-powerful. In fact, even if there weren't any, that still wouldn't be a problem if a story of overpowered mages was what this anime was aiming at. Sad to see you have trouble swallowing it though. |
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forexjammer said: Yamada2 said: Now we get to see just how nekoing evil And wtf was Daika doing? They had 600000 men and they got literally obliterated by about 2 dozen people. They're probably showing that while there are the Actually it was 4 dozen (48 men). and that was just the vanguard of the 600,000 (about 1/4th of the total army it seems?) , not the 600,000. And they didn't especially kill most of them. The german artillery and infantry killed most of them. Their merit is that they created a huge confusion in that vanguard, destroyed their campaign QG, took prisoner their leader, got all the intel from there, and then destroyed a source of weaponry in their capital, as well as generating a huge loss of morale for the enemy by doing so. |
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| Great episode, can't believe i almost avoided watching this show, thanks to watching a youtube clip it peaked my interest. Tanya is ruthless, it's refreshing actually. |
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| Dakia is basically France during the first day of the war :P Though in this case it seems to b siberia. |
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| Hmm so at this point Visha becomes Tanya's assistant eh well since they knew each other and were in the same unit its natural i guess lol now that visha is being so efficient she's become a danger to Tanya who wants to delay things lol hmm so those two mages failed almost immediately eh so did Tanya fail them for failing to question orders or something Hmm so even the officer thats receiving the mages is part of the test the fact that it looks so real certainly makes it hard for prospective mages to pass the selections lol. Just as expected of Tanya to invent something like this lol so i guess only the most powerful of mages will be able to see through this then Hmm Tanya only needs a month to train her chosen men eh even though training a soldier takes 2 years wow thats impressive But i suspect that the training will be so extreme that those 12 would quit Visha seems to think so as well Defensive training by learning to use defensive spells to protect against shells lol only Tanya can think of something like this lol its Tanya after all Visha she always goes pretty far Mixing training shells with real ones eh geeze that was some hellish training 36 hours of defending eh Followed by a hellish trek through freezing and snowy conditions to another point. Wow Tanya is even using dogs as well Lol i think Tanya heard that complaint then hense the avalanche Lol thats one way of getting snow out of someones mouth it seems Tanya's attempt to scare her trainees didn't work since they are just as determined to be trained and chosen for her unit lol Wow thats a really impressive speech that Tanya gave there still surprised that not one of the trainees dropped out of the training Tanya herself was surprised with her speech as well eh Hmm and Tanya got promoted as well eh hmm so Tanya's unit are given the newest and most powerful of gear as well eh As expected of a unit that would require heavy hitting firepower and maneuverability seems that officer still dislikes Tanya and is determined to prove that she's the devil then. it seems this war is turning into a world war after all with one more country joing the war Hmm so the enemy invaded as soon as Tanya and her units got there eh 600,000 men is a lot of men and quite the large force as well wow an enemy that has no air force and uses no encryption in their comms talk about being careless lol And now because of the invasion the battalion at last gets the chance to show off its talents against the rather inept enemy army Lol a wonderful birthday present indeed for Tanya Hmm so Tanya's battalion is divided into 4 companies then eh wow the enemy army really looks outdated compared to Tanya's men Bet the enemy was surprised that there will enemy forces here at all let alone flying mages lol The enemy are nothing more than scarecrows to the mages though If you get beaten here then yea they will be the laughing stock A corps is far larger than a division lol but even so they are still being decimated lol the enemy are lining up to fire volleys what is this the 18th century lol Talk about outdated tactics Lol the officer complaining that its not fair that Tanya's men are flying Well the grenades would help soften things up lol Lol Tanya being snug with that officer Visa's they certainly don't have lol my my those guys are just useless against the power of a battle mage their guns will never get through their shields while the opposite is not true That was like a cakewalk for Tanya and her company wow striking directly at the enemies capital Bold move but since they largely destroyed the enemies armies its relatively undefended International law still plays a part in this universe eh lol it will of course be Tanya that does it since she's the commander Lol Tanya using a child's voice to broadcast the warning Lol Visha and her fellow officers reactions Well you still followed the law even though Tanya used a kids voice and now they are free to open fire Tanya's spells though are always nice to see though A great episode as always Tanya's method of picking out mages for her unit though was impressive. To think that the receiving officer was actually a illusion. But man her training methods were harsh and unforgiving. Defensive training with live shells followed by a hellish trek from one point to another lol. Tanya really is enjoying herself to the fullest here. Im surprised and glad that not one of her trainees opted out of the training and that all graduated from it. I bet Tanya was angry that this happened lol. The battle between the Daikon army though was well done as it pitted Tanya's modern mages against an enemy that used 18 century warfare tactics. The part when Tanya and her company landed in the enemy's camp and the action there was the best scene. Tanya using a child's voice to broadcast the warning though was hillarious Her Seiyuu Aoi Yuki certainly has quite the voice range. Now lets see where this strike on the factory will take the story then |
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Takuan_Soho said: I think the key to understanding this animation is to understand that the writer has combined the impact of airplanes PLUS the impact of armor into a single OP theme. Tanya's organization of her battalion parallels the red barron's establishment of the flying circus, but unlike WWI airplanes, Mages have the defensive and offensive capabilities of a tank corps, meaning in addition to being the Red Barron, Tanya is also Rommel. This is why Darcia got decimated so quickly, Tanya's ability to know where war would lead means that her tactics are 2-4 generations before her peers. You kind of beat me to it, Takuan - I think that this episode has also shown that she will start to have a paradoxical impact on the world. Due to the fact that she has prior knowledge of the World Wars, plus the fact that she is in a position where she can actually accomplish high profile things due to the support of General Zettour, she is going to force the rest of the world to react to her methods. It's well thought out storylines like this that truly capture my interest. |
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Djidji said: Hydrous said: i am curious ... she look pretty in the LN and the manga but not in the anime ..! any particular reason ? It woud cost way too much money to have the same chara design animated. And she ain't here to be pretty anyway. :o i see well if she was pretty she would be a pretty little psyco ^^ like yuno/kurumi and that would be awesome tho its already amzing enough ^^ |
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| of course nobody wanna quit when tortured by by loli instructor :) now go conquer the world |
| Great episode! I love Viktoriya's reactions in this episode. That was one hellish training. But she has well-trained and loyal underlings now. First deployment was fairly easy. The enemy troops were utter fools. They used outdated tactics and complained about a lack of fairness. Apparently they didn't get the memo, that war isn't fair. I love, how she mocked the enemy soldiers. And the warning using her little girls voice was hilarious. Trolling 1000/10 I still can't stand Rerugen. He looks like a dork, especially with his ugly-ass hairstyle. |
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This is a show about a salaryman who got reincarnated into a fascist loli and gets repeatedly owned by god, I don't think it's very interested in acurate portrayal of war. You have misguided expectations. |
That's actually both partially wrong and incomplete. First of all, mage's disadvantages you didn't see -cannot be created no matter the money and such. Magic can be used by the person at birth, or not. It requires a computing jewel to process it, but it requires a person able to use it, which is rare -amelioration is limited by what you have at birth. Even if the person has the ability to use magic, it doesn't mean it has the ability to use a lot, and this CANNOT be ameliorated through time. You can get far better at using what you have, but what you have will not change. Compare this to technology that you can hope to ameliorate and that will progress quite a bit through war. (note : Tanya is a special case due to her "miracle" jewel that allows her to "stock" magic when she doesn't use it). -cannot choose your mages like you can choose your "pilots" for their skill/competence. Since it's at birth, you can train them more, but that's it. Can't change them/pick them. That's why you also have stupid guys that have nothing to do in the military like the two in the first episode, have women, and even... a child. -cannot go as high as a plane (CR translation on altitude they reach is wrong. The altitude isn't in meters) so planes will be able to cover higher zone than mages and will be quite hard for mages to defeat due to this (note : tanya is an exception to this, but this required a miracle so doesn't count). -Flying cost them lot of stamina. It makes them very inappropriate for one of the major role of the airplanes in ww1 : long distance reconnaissance. you can't expect a mage company to perform a long range travel and then fight a found target properly, they'll be too exhausted to fight properly and will probably die. -They cannot fly "silently (cutting engine)' or "without being detected (in or above the clouds, and so on)". If a mage flies or uses his magic in any way, every single mage around can detect him/her. A plane can cut his engine, but if a mage stop his magic, he just falls like a rock. -They cannot transport heavy things (so no supplying role easily possible, except for small things) -They cannot transport troops to their destination, either. -bombers do more damage individually than mages. Now about what you listed - Do not break -> but they cannot be repaired either. If they're successfully damaged, they probably die, or be sent in a hospital for months. - Low cost of recruiting/training -> it costs quite more than recruiting and training plane pilots, because like said above you're stuck with wha tyou have, cannot pick the promising pilots at all. - No specialised engineers, mechanics and air crews -> engineers are still needed for their computing jewel which is technology, and not "magic". - High speed -> Planes are far faster, especially modern planes. - Can carry infinite ammo/grenade -> plain wrong. As shown multiple time, they use gun ammos to "carry" their spell to their target. So they don't have infinite ammo at all. Not even counting the fact that shooting one cost them stamina, once again. - Can be bomber/fighter -> but with limited range and heigh. - Can be recon -> what I listed above plainly proves that planes>mages for this by a long shot. - Can travel on land, air and sea without special outfitting-> but because travelling cost them stamina, travelling on sea is not something easy. Where do you land if you're out of juice? - Potential nuclear armament -> that's just Tanya, doesn't count. And that's far from nuclear, too. A modern plane can do that, though. - Low reload time ->actually that's plain wrong. a fighter shots far more bullet per second, and a bomber throw far more bombs in one go than a mage that needs to charge each fired bullet separately. - Capable of carrying heavy equipment without sacrificing stamina and speed -> where did you saw that? That's a plain no. - Stealth potential -> as written above, ZERO stealth potential while flying. That's why Tanya trained them to go by feet from point A to B, and said that if she detected any use of magic she would nuke them immediately. Traveling by air for mage = being immediately detected. Compared to this, planes are very, very stealthy. |
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| Was getting some real Mulan vibes this episode. Both "I"ll Make a Man Out of You" and "They popped out of the snow, like daisies!" came to mind. That bit at the end was so funny with her childish voice warning. I was a little worried that things were too easy but this was a good showing of the incompetence countries can have in war. Awesome episode. |
worldeditor11 said: Neromon said: This is a show about a salaryman who got reincarnated into a fascist loli and gets repeatedly owned by god, I don't think it's very interested in acurate portrayal of war. You have misguided expectations. Both you and TheDeadApostle do not get my point. I am fine with a man loli with fascist or meritocratic tendencies. I am fine with with a God as pansy as Being X. Hell, I am even fine with mages being so overpowered, they can perfect Hitler's blitzkrieg tactics. Never once I imply am against those premises. What I am put off by is the two-faced nature of this show. Guys, I am in a World War. Look how dangerous the situation is. Bullets flying. People dying. Kids crying. I must survive from this hell and get as far away as possible from the war. Even if I am a god emperor mage, I might not survive the front lines. I must devise plans to assure my safety. Do not take risks. Avoid probable deployment orders. Rise up the ranks. Yada yada yada. On the next scene depicting a battle... Booyah niggas, not even God can save you from muh almighty magic. What? Is that an enemy? Kill him!!! What? Enemy fleeing from the battlefield? Chase them down and leave no man alive!!! What? We are done? Let's move on to our next target and destroy enemy's HQ and their capital city while we at it. Risks? What risks? Seems to me it has trouble deciding whether it should be realistic or fantasy and it just turns out into a weird blend between the two. Like there's no sense of danger when the show keep telling me otherwise. But there was a sense of danger in the earlier episodes. I remember when she had to fight against the five other mages. If that wasn't tense, I wonder what was. In this case though, they were up against a nation with an outdated military and outdated tactics. It was a complete curbstomp similar to what would happen if you used jet fighters to fight against cavalry. It was even a point that she brought up when she said that the Dakian army was appropriate for "practice". This isn't meant to be a normal, front line situation. Those would obviously be a lot more tense. |
OduduwaFeb 5, 2017 6:49 AM
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worldeditor11 said: Neromon said: This is a show about a salaryman who got reincarnated into a fascist loli and gets repeatedly owned by god, I don't think it's very interested in acurate portrayal of war. You have misguided expectations. Both you and TheDeadApostle do not get my point. I am fine with a man loli with fascist or meritocratic tendencies. I am fine with with a God as pansy as Being X. Hell, I am even fine with mages being so overpowered, they can perfect Hitler's blitzkrieg tactics. Never once I imply am against those premises. What I am put off by is the two-faced nature of this show. Guys, I am in a World War. Look how dangerous the situation is. Bullets flying. People dying. Kids crying. I must survive from this hell and get as far away as possible from the war. Even if I am a god emperor mage, I might not survive the front lines. I must devise plans to assure my safety. Do not take risks. Avoid probable deployment orders. Rise up the ranks. Yada yada yada. On the next scene depicting a battle... Booyah niggas, not even God can save you from muh almighty magic. What? Is that an enemy? Kill him!!! What? Enemy fleeing from the battlefield? Chase them down and leave no man alive!!! What? We are done? Let's move on to our next target and destroy enemy's HQ and their capital city while we at it. Risks? What risks? Seems to me it has trouble deciding whether it should be realistic or fantasy and it just turns out into a weird blend between the two. Like there's no sense of danger when the show keep telling me otherwise. Again, this is just you misinterpreting the show. Its portrayal of war isn't an axis upon which it should be judged, because it has no interest in that. The show revolves around Tanya, and it has 2 premises bearing on this discussion. One is that Tanya wants to have a peaceful and prosperous life outside the front lines, the first situation you described is simply a logical extension of this premise, it wasn't an attempt to depict the harsh nature of war. The other premise is that Tanya is an overpowered fascist mage, and the second situation you described fits this. Of course it's completely fine if the outcome bothers you because of how the portrayal of war comes off to you, but what I'm saying is you can't claim it's a failure of the show. |
| The warning speech lmao. This series is hilarious, loving it so far. |
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| I haven't laughed so hard in a long time, the way she made that speech, it quite frankly killed me , so far this is my favorite episode. |
| Glad I'm not the only one who found that heinously reprehensible act hilarious. Can this show get a Comedy Tag?[/quote] yupss thats so hilarious XD especially when Tanya said... "Take everything but "the bodies"! LoL what a sarcastic badass!! XDl |
[quote=GenesisAria message=49547059] Tanya's so cute and cuddly LOL She's the embodiment of "Insanity" |
| I actually think this is the best episode of the series so far ^_^ However, I hope the story stays solid till the end seeing that there is only 12 episodes (not even sure will we get a second season). |
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L-Ryoshi said: Oh, so I'm not alone in this obsession! >_<Ended up rewatching this episode alone 4 times. And it was just as good every single time. Tanya's voicework in this episode, my God Being X... Honestly, can't tell when was the last time I was so impressed. Starting from "I have nothing to do" after the battle started, describing enemy army as a mob, "No visas!", "My battalion can move forward" and, of course, "Impending attack warning" at the very end. I don't even... Why is it so amazing? Yamada2 said: I'm pretty sure it was 60 000, one extra zero must be a typo. Can anyone confirm this?They had 600000 men and they got literally obliterated by about 2 dozen people. |
MinashiroFeb 6, 2017 6:47 AM
| Perfect example of what happens when an army generations behind in tech fight a current era war. Tanya's sparta plan backfires and she gets dedicated personnel in 1 month XD |
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| - great episode, seeing visha's return is cool, hope to see some fanservice of her soon. 😂😂 But maaan, tanya is just too boss. |
0nion said: Thanks for clearing it up, confirmed the numbers myself, everything checks out.The entire Dakia force consists of 4 field armies with a total of 600,000 men. The force Tanya's battalion went up against was the vanguard of 3 divisions which would total about 50,000 troops. That's actually somewhat close to the air to ground troops ratio in WWII. |
| Tanya's first speech gave me shivers and her second made me laugh. This ep was pure gold. |
| Episode was great but i missed OP or ED o_o |
| Good episode overall. But the fighting against Dakia made everything look too easy. I spent the whole time expecting it to turn out to be a trap. When it turned out it wasn't, it just seemed a little anti-climactic to me. |
| Haha, Tanya's declaration of attack cracked me up. Viktoriya also proved to be rather resourceful. I loved how she started digging her foxhole as soon as Tanya started outlining the essence of their exercise. You could see the terror in Viktoriya's eyes. Being on the receiving end of an artillery barrage must be quite exciting... Though, even that paled in comparison to raiding the Dakians. Those red uniforms truly made it a live-fire exercise, even more so as they started gathering in formations to shoot of volleys. Underestimating the importance of air supremacy is a dire mistake. |
| I WANNA SQUISH TANYA SO FUCKING BADLY. |
| I came so close to dropping this on the first ep because of some of the character designs but I'm so glad I stuck with it. Tanya is an amazing character, she's actually got a personality and isn't just one-note evil and some bits make me laugh out loud, like that declaration of war. Think this is going to be one of my top anime of the season if it carries on like this ^^ |
| Okay I got a slight problem with how Tanya and crew just shows up and just destroy the enemy. There was no stakes at all.. No tension. Can someone explain this to me? I thought them not having air support would be a trap. I also feel like this doesn't help her group grow as they were basically shooting fish in a barrel. At the end of the day this episode felt like an anime version of the Pickett Charge. |
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Takuan_Soho said: When you put that way.....holy shit that was very well done on their part!MasterHavik said: Okay I got a slight problem with how Tanya and crew just shows up and just destroy the enemy. There was no stakes at all.. No tension. Can someone explain this to me? I thought them not having air support would be a trap. I also feel like this doesn't help her ground grow as they were basically shooting fish in a barrel. At the end of the day this episode felt like an anime version of the Pickett Charge. Well, WWI was Pickett's Charge written large. The lesson that Pickett should have taught any military leader was lost on all military leaders throughout most of WWI. That technology had replaced valor was something that Mark Twain wrote about (Connecticut Yankee) but the Generals did not believe. Most WWI battles were poor infantry scrambling out of their trenches, lining up in formation, and then being fed to the machine guns. This story captures that aspect of WWI well. But, the writer is smarter than this. Tanya does not only know WWI tactics, she knows WWII tactics. Air power had a nascent debut in WWI, but it took WWII to prove its ability. Read about Billy Mitchell to get how long it took everyone to understand that the world had changed. |
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