☆☆ Vote Count Day 1.７ ☆☆ Crossbell (3): Claire, Phraze, logic340 Omnisword (3): Hime-sama, Crossbell, Sleipnirr Thieme (1): Kit Hime-sama (1): Omnisword _Claire_ (1): Gruffin Rinto-kun (1): Grapefruit21 Not voting (5): Rinto-kun, cookiecrusher, Thieme, Bursama, Oyasumi_Rosie With 15 alive, it’s 8 players to majority lynch. If a majority lynch is not achieved by the deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched instead. ☆☆ Day 1 end timer ☆☆ |
| Given that we're short on time, I'll respond to quotes/pings first. I'll try and address the events that have happened in my absence soon and get a list of suspects out before phase change. Crossbell said: (Yeah, my dad and I play it together sometimes. I am still very much a newb lol.)OOG: You play Magic? Bursama/Grapefruit and I play as well. Crossbell said: I mean that her slow start can come from town just as much as it could come from scum, especially since it's D1. Sometimes people just don't know how to contribute, and after our previous game where I argued with her over the way she scum hunts, I'm not surprised that she's more passive this time around.If you think Kit is a slow starter, then do you think we should not pressure her until she can start actively contributing content? I'm voting her because I think she is scum and because in the previous game I played with her (CCL) she was questioning actively and was a huge thorn in our side. She was unanimously townread Day 1 and never lost than townread. This game is completely different IMO. Phraze said: And what about Kit?I read Cross as leaning scum, Grapes as antitown leaning scum. Crossbell said: I'll get back to you on that once I finish catching up. I'll need to gather my thoughts on the thread as a whole before I can do anything regarding my suspicions.@Gruffin: If you want to continue with the Claire vote, then I want to see a case and an explanation as to why you believe she is scum (Mostly a case though). If you can't give a case with strong conviction as to why you believe Claire is scum, you should consolidate somewhere so we can get wagons rolling and have something to analyze Night 1. Sleipnirr said: I have in my response to Logic on 268 and explain further in 275.Did you talked about rosie's post about keeping you alive if not can you say your thoughts about that now. Sleipnirr said: That's really all there is to it. The direction of Claire's vote was not matching up to the strength of her reads, so I voted her for it. Can you get into more detail about this vote as it feels pretty shallow to me. Crossbell said: Phraze is an interesting case, going to take this straight from my meta notes: Grapefruit or Kasai could be hard pocketing me right now but I think it's just more likely that they're town. @Gruffin - how does Phraze usually play? I'm asking this because I didn't read much of Haruhi (Togs was mostly managing that one) and you have experience with scum!Phraze in two games. Meta said: A very confusing town player, possibly as a result of being confused or paranoid herself (?) When she reaches a certain level of frustration, she will drop the “paradizo~” line, denoting that she wants to be killed off. Uses percentages among other methods as a way to communicate her suspicions. It’s fairly easy to tell when she’s working out the game in her own way by seeing her convoluted posts and readslists. As scum, this confusion and paranoia is absent. Her arguments are much more directed and clear-cut, and she plays a much more serious game. Overall, she's liked to switch things up game to game, but the basic parts of her play are usually the same. |
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Crossbell said: _Claire_ said: His play right now reminds me of some people when they are scums, like taking lead and confuse us all. 1. How is taking the lead scummy? 2. How am I confusing you? Like this is exactly what I'm talking about - taking actions that aren't scummy and then saying that they're scummy. _Claire_ said: That's what I thought too, but her single post is giving me enough pause to stop and reconsider. I see where you're going with this, and that's what I thought as well, but I think we should have an open mind and see what else Kit does.I think you are very susceptible to change your opinion based on "tone". The only thing I see Kit so far: not contributing, being overly-defensive (ha-ha reminds myself of how I played as scum before) when someone accuses him as probable scum, guilt-tripping people. Also I dont like him guilt-tripping Crossbell as "whatever I (Kit) say is scummy" oh cmon... We are playing mafia game, are we expected to give free town credit or what.. _Claire_ said: I disagree. Any scum player can be caught, it's just a matter of how good they are.Opposed to this I have seen scums playing clean game : Look at coromandel's and Jack's mafia game. Clean. They only got caught by mechanics. _Claire_ said: Duh. I'm trying to defend myself in hopes that you guys can see the light and vote somewhere else, if you are actually town.Defensive as hell, arent you? Convincing that you are town, uhm... okay. I thought I did something like this too before? Hold lets recall, faked town frustration? How about this, Claire. What do you think about these people: Thieme Rosie Phraze cookiecrusher Rinto-kun Because in most of your posts you've been fixated on me and I want to hear your thoughts on other players. Believe me or not: I have seen more scums acting pro-town more than I see scum acting anti-town. I once lost a freaking game when it was 3 towns vs 1 mafia. I was acting so anti-town that they lynched me that end day and mafia ended night and it was their win. The only reasons that they didn't lynch mafia was because the mafia (Arrisu) was acting so pro-town and bushing mafia along the way. It is a wrong perception to think that pro-town = town. Anyway which is why I trust people who are acting a bit anti-town more than too pro-townish because its the truth: scums try to play so well that they barely make any mistake but that is the beginning of the mistake, imo. People proly have a hard time looking at this. No, of course you are not confusing us right now. But I have seen enough mafia taking lead and such, though it can work both way but lets see. I mean I am not the only one scum-reading you, am I? If you are that open-minded, well be my guest. I am a hard player to play with. Lol. Thieme: I dont like him saying "safe vote" on Omni. Not I have problem on him voting for Omni, but its the reason like "safe vote" which I think I may be over-reading it but it sounds like he wants easy vote (same case on Kit here, totally though Kit has it harder). I like how he answers Kit when Kit says Thieme barely does anything. Rosie: beside on the Gruffin post, I have seen nothing wrong so I have no alarm atm. Is it true that she played passive before? #391 somewhere (from my note) and starting to play more active now? Phraze: nothing at the moment, also she is gonna be repped out, no? Neither do I have anything on CC Rinto-kun : from my past experience, he usually works harder on game when he was town but I need to admit he barely plays regardless of his role, the only role I remember clearly was in Harry Potter game and I say he was laying low but not really low but in this game I barely see his posts. |
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logic340 said: Thank you for letting me know! I have fixed that ^^I voted Crossbell in #361 It's kind of hidden in my post I'll be sure to put it by itself from now on to help make your job easier. Sorry about the confusion. |
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Sleipnirr said: Oh my! I'm so sorry! I noticed the mistake after making the vote count after that. I have to change Rosie instead of Kasai.Did I multiplied cuz it seems like I was tagged twice both as Kasai and Sleipnirr. Well I am alright with that if my vote counts twice. |
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Milennin said: Thieme (1): Kit Hime-sama (1): Omnisword _Claire_ (1): Gruffin Rinto-kun (1): Grapefruit21 Not voting (5): Rinto-kun, cookiecrusher, Thieme, Bursama, Oyasumi_Rosie "These votes should not be here" |
| Oh gosh, there have been sooo many posts while I was sleeping T_T it... it looks like Grape and Cross unvoted me though?? I'm amazed. Responding to pings: Grapefruit21 said: I never said you were mafia, I said you have "mafia-tinted-glasses." Think of Rose-tinted-glasses and how that makes everything look good to the viewer. So everthing I do looks scummy to you. I'm not going to vote you, I don't think you are scum at this moment. I'm sorry It looks like I'm being so defensive, It's just that I'm mostly only replying to my pings and a lot of my pings are are like "Kit is scum!" and I can't really prove you wrong because you're taking actions I do and making them look scum. Did you want me to explain in detail why I made every single post I made?Kit said: Because you have a completely warped view of how I'm playing so you're shoehorning all my actions into being scummy. I know, I've done it before to fellow towns by mistake. And I didn't say that, I said "It is so surreal how you can make everything I do sound scummy." The focus on my statement is your manipulation of my posts, not "oh I sound scummy." I only sound scummy through your weird mafia-tinted-glasses. Still a bit busy but I have enough time for these two thoughts: The bolded part is mudslinging without a vote. If you think I'm mafia then vote me. I'll counter that you're OMGUS'ing me so let's drop the accusations and move onto point two. Second instead of complaining that I'm painting your actions in a scummy light paint them in a town one. Maybe I'm deep in a tunnel and confirmation biasing all your posts, but I've not really heard anyone (especially you) defend your actions apart from Kit's D1 meta is to be a slow starter. There is being a slow starter and then there is misreading the game state. As I said in 292 you said Hime asked for a translator and that implies town. Hime never asked for a translator only mentioned that someone usually takes it upon themselves to do so. You were using something that didn't happen to conjure a town read. Gruffin said: I'm worried that it means he really is scum and I hit the nail on the head there, Like Sorarin in werewolf getting super defensive when accused. But on the other hand I know it's not nice to be wrongly accused as townie and he is a newbie so I'm not sure.Kit said: Do you mean over reacting to your vote? Does this tell you anything about Thieme's alignment?You're right, I'm not doing much better than you. I think you are kind of over reacting though. Crossbell said: I'm sorry. I kind of explained why I'm so defensive in my reply to grape in this post. Kit said: If you are town, then you should start scumhunting and show me that you are town instead of constantly fixating on defense like this. You fixating on defense does nothing to help me re-evaluate if you are actually town.You are just going to frame everything I do as scummy, aren't you? Bursama said: Because my concern is that Thieme could be an anti-town-ish townie rather than scum. I don't know for a fact that he is scum.Wait, what? Why do you care about that? If you are town and think Thieme is scum, why do you care that he might be a low-hanging fruit? Sleipnirr said: I don't think someone would lie about something like that, but it is possible that she is using it to her advantage as an excuse. I still think her behavior is townie but.. I will not totally cross out the possibility of her being scum. You're right, it wasn't that scummy of Bursama to push her, especially early in the game when we needed more to talk about anyway. I misjudged. Can I ask how was that scummy because we dont really know if hime has an issue like that it was something she said and there is noway to prove it. I believe he did the right thing with pushing her. I would give you credit if he just voted and left it like that but he also interracted with hime about why he voted. _Claire_ said: I'm sorry my vote came at a time when Cross already had 2 votes...? I wanted to pressure him because he pocketed me all game in Camp Crystal Lake and it's hard for me to believe him even if I think he's townie. Asking a lot of questions without posting much follow up is something I find scummy, but he ended up posting his thoughts right after my vote. Of course I can't lay a vote down and just say "This is for pressure because I have a gut feeling you are scum" so I gave some reasons.Kit said: I really don't like the vote on Omni. It seems like everyone is after him for playstyle. The guy seems to speak in riddles but I fail to see how that make him scum, I think people are just complacent in picking the easiest target, which has happened a lot of times in Haruhi. I'm surprised Crossbell has no other reads than the low hanging fruit. I'm going to try to reread the thread but until then I will... vote: Crossbell He's asking a lot of questions and pushing the game forward, but he's not explaining some reads and he only has scum leans on obvious people, and the reasoning for those feel weak. Do I get the vibe of... "I just need to vote someone who has high amount of votes and lets see if I can do anything to save myself" What kind of reasoning are you expecting from people in Day 1? Strong ones? |
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Gruffin said: Rinto-kun said: This post jumps out at me. Why wait until 4 hours until phase change to decide when you could be thinking about this sooner? By the time there is 4 hours left, that's when the rush starts to happen. At this moment I can't properly assess my position on whom should I vote. I'll be back in around 4 hours before phase change. Sorry, but I have school... |
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Crossbell said: This is why I asked if you were expecting more from me.. That was my first game and I was excited/anxious to do well. I spent almost all day playing mafia back then. I don't have the motivation to do that for every single game.Gruffin said: If you think Kit is a slow starter, then do you think we should not pressure her until she can start actively contributing content?About Kit: I'm not understanding the suspicion on her either. Where Grape and Cross see scum, I'm seeing a slow starter. Yeah, she hasn't taken much initiative, but it's only D1 and I've mislynched several players on those grounds before. That said, she's still neutral because a slow start could come from anyone. I'm voting her because I think she is scum and because in the previous game I played with her (CCL) she was questioning actively and was a huge thorn in our side. She was unanimously townread Day 1 and never lost than townread. This game is completely different IMO. |
Grapefruit21 said: Anyway since no other wagon has been proposed how do people feel about Rinto-Kun as a compromise? I can't link my case on mobile but it's mostly in my big reads list that got ignored. vote: Rinto-Kun May you link me to this read list or should I search for it myself? |
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Crossbell said: People should start consolidating into wagons and start taking real actionable stances. I like Omni/Phraze as wagons. Except that vote for Omni is terrible right now. He isn't here to defend himself, and he might even get replaced by D2. I could get behind voting Pharze if I saw more of a reason too right now though. |
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Crossbell said: I'm not up to date but I think Phraze is town, and it doesn't look like she has any votes right now, so you're gonna need to do a lot of convincing for that one.People should start consolidating into wagons and start taking real actionable stances. I like Omni/Phraze as wagons. Omni I can maybe be convinced but I feel better about Thieme. Well, I can maybe vote Omni to prevent a tie if it comes to that, but if Omni flips town it definitely won't make me feel too good about you/Crossbell. |
Kit said: ]I'm not up to date but I think Phraze is town, and it doesn't look like she has any votes right now, so you're gonna need to do a lot of convincing for that one. Omni I can maybe be convinced but I feel better about Thieme. Well, I can maybe vote Omni to prevent a tie if it comes to that, but if Omni flips town it definitely won't make me feel too good about you/Crossbell. Voting for Thieme kind of reminds me of 0x40. Even more so with how defensive both of them got. Anyone else you'd be willing to go after? |
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| So far my main suspects are grape, Thieme, omnisword and cookie. Don't ask why, only gut feeling AND yes I'm aware that it doesn't help neither you nor me( :') ). If anything, its harder to announce whom I trust, rather than whom I suspect, the reason being most town players often get actually involved with the game and would often poke other people, that's why I prefer listing trustees instead of suspects. |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: Well, like I said, I can vote Omni. The argument about the 3rd party makes sense, and Mishu did something similar when he was scum in another game, talking about 3rd party very early in the game.Kit said: ]I'm not up to date but I think Phraze is town, and it doesn't look like she has any votes right now, so you're gonna need to do a lot of convincing for that one. Omni I can maybe be convinced but I feel better about Thieme. Well, I can maybe vote Omni to prevent a tie if it comes to that, but if Omni flips town it definitely won't make me feel too good about you/Crossbell. Voting for Thieme kind of reminds me of 0x40. Even more so with how defensive both of them got. Anyone else you'd be willing to go after? |
Phraze said: Grapefruit21 said: Kit had a townlean on Hime over a translator?? probably slipped my notice, she's under my radar as usual. I figure scum!Kit will flail around a bit to be more recognizable.I'm not closed to ideas, there are no other ideas to follow. There are three people who have had cases made against them. I helped make two and the third is on my second strongest town read. I have been asking for people to explain why Kit is town and I'm repeatedly told I'm tunneling and my reasons are bad without them being refuted. No one has commented on Kit reading Hime as town for asking for a translator! Last time bad town reads are a scum tell! Anyway since no other wagon has been proposed how do people feel about Rinto-Kun as a compromise? I can't link my case on mobile but it's mostly in my big reads list that got ignored. I do feel Rinto needs some pressure. will gladly compromise Vote: Rinto-kun Don't even try, I couldn't care less for votes on me... in fact my meta is a REALLY long list with accusations and lynches I have had to deal with for whole phases... I appreciate the fact that you think I should be more active! |
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Rinto-kun said: Work or asleep I am guess. Sorry I don't have any thoughts about you?Where are you guys when I am around??? I don't see your name on the VC. Who would you be willing to vote for today? |
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| Urgh. I can't go through the thread as thoroughly as I would have liked. Here's where I'm at. Not willing to lynch: {Logic/Cross/Grape/Omni/Kit} -Strong townread on Logic -Townlean on Grape -The case against Cross isn't compelling, two scumreads are on his train. -Cases on Omni and Kit are also not compelling because I can see town reasons behind them. Undecided: {Bur/Sleip/Rinto/Hime/Cookie/Rosie} -All players I have not had much focus on lately. Will need to address them going into D2. -Less inclined to vote up Cookie because this is their first game? Will need a strong case against them anyhow. Willing to lynch: {Claire/Thieme/Phraze} -Claire for her Crossbell vote -Thieme for his scummy mindset post -Phraze for mirroring her scum game and recent posts --- Omni: The main arguments I see against him are he is confusing, drawing attention to himself, and hunting for neutrals. Being confusing and drawing attention to oneself isn't a scumtell to me, and drawing attention is actually townish in my eyes. The neutral hunting argument has much more merit, and I can see how it can be considered scummy to some people. It makes sense, scum want to get rid of neutrals/distract us and have something to genuinely hunt to get townread for, right? Think of it this way: Are Omni's other actions trying to convince us to townread him? His entry has me thinking this is not the case. I would like to consider the possibility that he did not understand the mechanics surrounding the TPRs, which can still come from curious town. How can we judge it for "not helping town" when from Omni's perspective he could have been doing what he thought was best? Maybe I'm being too forgiving, but I can't ignore that possibility. Crossbell: I'm still wary of Crossbell because I know he is more than capable of appearing pro-town, but the case against him just isn't compelling. I see Logic saying that Cross is acting like a power wolf, but the reason power wolfing is so effective is because they act exactly like town early on, so I'm having trouble seeing why appearing town/scumhunting is making Crossbell scum over him being town. While he could be scum, it's still just as reasonable to think he could be proactively scumhunting because he is town? He should not be lynched today. I'm going back through Phraze's posts now, because out of my three lynch options, she's acted the most suspicious. |
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Rinto-kun said: Ahh, I see. Sorry, I thought you were stalling. ^^; Didn't think that it was because you had irl obligations.Sorry, but I have school... |
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Gruffin said: Urgh. I can't go through the thread as thoroughly as I would have liked. Here's where I'm at. Not willing to lynch: {Logic/Cross/Grape/Omni/Kit} -Strong townread on Logic -Townlean on Grape -The case against Cross isn't compelling, two scumreads are on his train. -Cases on Omni and Kit are also not compelling because I can see town reasons behind them. Undecided: {Bur/Sleip/Rinto/Hime/Cookie/Rosie} -All players I have not had much focus on lately. Will need to address them going into D2. -Less inclined to vote up Cookie because this is their first game? Will need a strong case against them anyhow. Willing to lynch: {Claire/Thieme/Phraze} -Claire for her Crossbell vote -Thieme for his scummy mindset post -Phraze for mirroring her scum game and recent posts --- Omni: The main arguments I see against him are he is confusing, drawing attention to himself, and hunting for neutrals. Being confusing and drawing attention to oneself isn't a scumtell to me, and drawing attention is actually townish in my eyes. The neutral hunting argument has much more merit, and I can see how it can be considered scummy to some people. It makes sense, scum want to get rid of neutrals/distract us and have something to genuinely hunt to get townread for, right? Think of it this way: Are Omni's other actions trying to convince us to townread him? His entry has me thinking this is not the case. I would like to consider the possibility that he did not understand the mechanics surrounding the TPRs, which can still come from curious town. How can we judge it for "not helping town" when from Omni's perspective he could have been doing what he thought was best? Maybe I'm being too forgiving, but I can't ignore that possibility. Crossbell: I'm still wary of Crossbell because I know he is more than capable of appearing pro-town, but the case against him just isn't compelling. I see Logic saying that Cross is acting like a power wolf, but the reason power wolfing is so effective is because they act exactly like town early on, so I'm having trouble seeing why appearing town/scumhunting is making Crossbell scum over him being town. While he could be scum, it's still just as reasonable to think he could be proactively scumhunting because he is town? He should not be lynched today. I'm going back through Phraze's posts now, because out of my three lynch options, she's acted the most suspicious. gruff here is my counterarguement for that. Firstly if he did not understand the mechanics he could have asked that without tagging 'everyone' why would you need to do that? Secondly he could have asked the host instead if there was anything unclear about the TPR like we did for S-class mage thing. |
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| Out of the three I'm willing to lynch, Claire and Phraze are my top choices because Thieme had that one line where he was willing to self-sacrifice. I'm a lot more comfortable with voting for Phraze because she is not showing real effort to read Crossbell. I see questions, but they are accusatory in nature and stuff that he has already answered, which makes me wonder why she is asking them in the first place. Her voting Rinto was odd because she made no previous mention of him (unless I missed something?), but then she moves right back to Crossbell without giving reason. Another thing to add on is that she is matching her scum meta. Last game I picked up on this and I allowed her to slip right through my fingers because she appeased me by giving reads. Vote: Phraze |
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Sleipnirr said: People aren't perfect. They don't always choose the most efficient way to do things, what matters is the thoughts behind it.gruff here is my counterarguement for that. Firstly if he did not understand the mechanics he could have asked that without tagging 'everyone' why would you need to do that? Secondly he could have asked the host instead if there was anything unclear about the TPR like we did for S-class mage thing. I can think of a reason on why he would tag everyone, actually. But I want to see him explain this for himself first. @Omnisword |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: Rinto-kun said: Work or asleep I am guess. Sorry I don't have any thoughts about you?Where are you guys when I am around??? I don't see your name on the VC. Who would you be willing to vote for today? I'm always opposed to lynches, moreover D1 lynches, because scum always push for day 1 lynch.... I'd rather trust my judgement than lynch blindly. I don't like Crossbell's train because he seems like an experienced player and could help us later on, but on the other hand he may be a cunning mafia like Lucian from the last great terror mafia. I think we should give omni a second chance to redeem himself, though he hasn't been around as far as I see, not even trying to defend from the accusations.... |
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Gruffin said: I'm actually thinking Phraze is townie based on behavior, she's back to being confusing and doing weird stuff, rather than being kind of straightforward and lackluster like she is in her scum games. I actually feel better about town reading her this game than I did in the previous 2 games. Would you disagree? I mean, this is just meta and she could have improved her scum game, but it's also kind of easy to mislynch town phraze.Out of the three I'm willing to lynch, Claire and Phraze are my top choices because Thieme had that one line where he was willing to self-sacrifice. I'm a lot more comfortable with voting for Phraze because she is not showing real effort to read Crossbell. I see questions, but they are accusatory in nature and stuff that he has already answered, which makes me wonder why she is asking them in the first place. Her voting Rinto was odd because she made no previous mention of him (unless I missed something?), but then she moves right back to Crossbell without giving reason. Another thing to add on is that she is matching her scum meta. Last game I picked up on this and I allowed her to slip right through my fingers because she appeased me by giving reads. Vote: Phraze edit: you say she's matching her scum meta so i have to ask how? |
logic340 said: Sleipnirr said: Omnisword is being replaced so wait for their replacement to get here. Move your vote to cross with me lets catch scum and sort out the replacement later.Again another vote about passiveness rather than actual scum hunting. FYI passiveness does not equal to scum. Make some real lists. Can you explain why are you fixated on Cross? |
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Oyasumi_Rosie said: Yeah, that's why I'm kind of hesitating on him because we don't really get much if we lynch someone who is V/LA and has a real chance of being replaced.Except that vote for Omni is terrible right now. He isn't here to defend himself, and he might even get replaced by D2. I could get behind voting Pharze if I saw more of a reason too right now though. Kit said: Show me how Phraze is being confusing or doing weird stuff. To me, it looks like she is pushing a scummy agenda by voting me and not trying to even re-evaluate or get a bead on my alignment. The conversation she had with Kasai/Sleipnirr is extremely telling, and that is not how a townie evaluates things.I'm actually thinking Phraze is townie based on behavior, she's back to being confusing and doing weird stuff, rather than being kind of straightforward and lackluster like she is in her scum games. I actually feel better about town reading her this game than I did in the previous 2 games. Would you disagree? I mean, this is just meta and she could have improved her scum game, but it's also kind of easy to mislynch town phraze. Unvote, vote Phraze |
Crossbell said: (s/o to Jack who joined the waitlist recently)Yeah, that's why I'm kind of hesitating on him because we don't really get much if we lynch someone who is V/LA and has a real chance of being replaced. |
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Rinto-kun said: If you're always opposed to lynches, then how do you propose that we hunt down the bad guys?I'm always opposed to lynches, moreover D1 lynches, because scum always push for day 1 lynch.... I'd rather trust my judgement than lynch blindly. Rinto-kun said: What do you think about the reasoning on my case? What is your read on Phraze?I don't like Crossbell's train because he seems like an experienced player and could help us later on, but on the other hand he may be a cunning mafia like Lucian from the last great terror mafia. |
Kit said: I'd say she's been pretty straightforward this game. She wants Crossbell lynched today and she's working to make that happen. When Phraze is town, she's more all over the place, changing reads on a dime.I'm actually thinking Phraze is townie based on behavior, she's back to being confusing and doing weird stuff, rather than being kind of straightforward and lackluster like she is in her scum games. I actually feel better about town reading her this game than I did in the previous 2 games. Would you disagree? I mean, this is just meta and she could have improved her scum game, but it's also kind of easy to mislynch town phraze. edit: you say she's matching her scum meta so i have to ask how? |
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Rinto-kun said: #361 Many posts after this as well help to explain my position. Every time I try to get into looking elsewhere I keep getting dragged back to this. I've explained that when I've had these feeling and been right in the past I have let the deepwolf off the hook (Penta/Chione/Cross) in three previous games. So I am going a little harder this time around. I actually started off town reading Cross which he didn't like now that I suspect him for his behavior it's a problem. Anyway I am looking more into the people Gruffin is talking about. No one is going to lynch cross with me but I still need to hunt for his presumed buddies or the other scum. I know there is a chance that he could be town but the amount of people who don't seem to think the other way out number me. I'm taking a harder stance this game because I failed to argue down two mislynches in my last game which was a mafia clean sweep.logic340 said: Omnisword is being replaced so wait for their replacement to get here. Move your vote to cross with me lets catch scum and sort out the replacement later. Can you explain why are you fixated on Cross? |
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Crossbell said: Thinking of abnormal tacticsOyasumi_Rosie said: Yeah, that's why I'm kind of hesitating on him because we don't really get much if we lynch someone who is V/LA and has a real chance of being replaced.Except that vote for Omni is terrible right now. He isn't here to defend himself, and he might even get replaced by D2. I could get behind voting Pharze if I saw more of a reason too right now though. Kit said: Show me how Phraze is being confusing or doing weird stuff. To me, it looks like she is pushing a scummy agenda by voting me and not trying to even re-evaluate or get a bead on my alignment. The conversation she had with Kasai/Sleipnirr is extremely telling, and that is not how a townie evaluates things.I'm actually thinking Phraze is townie based on behavior, she's back to being confusing and doing weird stuff, rather than being kind of straightforward and lackluster like she is in her scum games. I actually feel better about town reading her this game than I did in the previous 2 games. Would you disagree? I mean, this is just meta and she could have improved her scum game, but it's also kind of easy to mislynch town phraze. Unvote, vote Phraze Talking about her playstyle Alluding to something and not outwardly saying it Another strange theory Is the argument with Sleip more recent than that page? I've only read as up to the page these links are on ^ |
Oyasumi_Rosie said: cookiecrusher said: hooo boi, WELL.. I've pretty much been observing everyone so far, probably a bit too quietly too since only a few people remember I'm still here too! I'm actually having a hard time forming my own opinions because when someone says something and explains it I just immediately go "oh that makes sense", when someone debunks what was said I just go "oh well that made sense too huh". Oh yeah!! I totally relate, I was the same exact way last game! I even feel that way now a bit. Don't be afraid to repeat what someone has already said though, if it was you really think though. We need your post to see that you are not scum! However you are doing a good job with your current reads from what I said, you still need more a bit more info I think... D1 votes are kind of important for getting the ball rolling, any thoughts who you will be voting for? I'm definitely leaning towards voting omni but as I've said before, I don't think it's too good of an idea? I mean I've seen people saying it's not wise to scum-read someone from just the way they type and that's the conclusion I came to too earlier.. Right now I'm just pretty much reading the earlier posts and trying to find out if there really is anyone i'd happily vote for tbh. I'm pretty convinced I won't be voting omni even tho my gut feeling tells me to. |
Gruffin said: HmmmKit said: I'd say she's been pretty straightforward this game. She wants Crossbell lynched today and she's working to make that happen. When Phraze is town, she's more all over the place, changing reads on a dime.I'm actually thinking Phraze is townie based on behavior, she's back to being confusing and doing weird stuff, rather than being kind of straightforward and lackluster like she is in her scum games. I actually feel better about town reading her this game than I did in the previous 2 games. Would you disagree? I mean, this is just meta and she could have improved her scum game, but it's also kind of easy to mislynch town phraze. edit: you say she's matching her scum meta so i have to ask how? I think I need to keep reading |
Gruffin said: So knowing that Phraze plays slightly different every game are we really willing to lynch her off meta reasons?Kit said: I'd say she's been pretty straightforward this game. She wants Crossbell lynched today and she's working to make that happen. When Phraze is town, she's more all over the place, changing reads on a dime.I'm actually thinking Phraze is townie based on behavior, she's back to being confusing and doing weird stuff, rather than being kind of straightforward and lackluster like she is in her scum games. I actually feel better about town reading her this game than I did in the previous 2 games. Would you disagree? I mean, this is just meta and she could have improved her scum game, but it's also kind of easy to mislynch town phraze. edit: you say she's matching her scum meta so i have to ask how? |
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logic340 said: The meta reasons were an extra point. The main reasons are her actions this game as I said in 626.So knowing that Phraze plays slightly different every game are we really willing to lynch her off meta reasons? |
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Kit said: I think it's on page 12.Thinking of abnormal tactics Talking about her playstyle Alluding to something and not outwardly saying it Another strange theory Is the argument with Sleip more recent than that page? I've only read as up to the page these links are on ^ The thing about these posts is that while they are a little confusing on the surface, it doesn't really change what her overall mindset and goal is, which is to mislynch me. |
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Phraze said: @Gruffin this post feels like town Phraze. Her fixation on Cross does come across similar to her fixation on Sithis but the play with Sithis was kind of safe since they were both scum. Why would Phraze play like that with town!cross?Grapefruit21 said: not saying that. I'm saying u should be more open to ideas rather than pushing what u want to push. this reasonblock is what leads to mislynches.Also @phraze I get it if you don't want me to lead a wagon after my disastrous scum hunting instincts in Harhui, fair enough. I wanted to take more of a backseat this game but pursued what I felt was a good lead and saw no one else really starting any wagons. accepting and tallying ideas are part of teamwork no? |
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Crossbell said: Soulread?SOULREAD Rinto and Rosie town. |
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Crossbell said: Oh, I'm on page 11 now >_<Kit said: I think it's on page 12.Thinking of abnormal tactics Talking about her playstyle Alluding to something and not outwardly saying it Another strange theory Is the argument with Sleip more recent than that page? I've only read as up to the page these links are on ^ The thing about these posts is that while they are a little confusing on the surface, it doesn't really change what her overall mindset and goal is, which is to mislynch me. You could be right, she is focused on you/Crossbell mostly, from what I am seeing. And the Rinto vote kind of seems like following the flow/appeasement |
Gruffin said: Out of the three I'm willing to lynch, Claire and Phraze are my top choices because Thieme had that one line where he was willing to self-sacrifice. I'm a lot more comfortable with voting for Phraze because she is not showing real effort to read Crossbell. I see questions, but they are accusatory in nature and stuff that he has already answered, which makes me wonder why she is asking them in the first place. Her voting Rinto was odd because she made no previous mention of him (unless I missed something?), but then she moves right back to Crossbell without giving reason. Another thing to add on is that she is matching her scum meta. Last game I picked up on this and I allowed her to slip right through my fingers because she appeased me by giving reads. Vote: Phraze I am not sure what to think of you lol.. I feel like your points are clashing at each other. First of all, care yo explain why you think I am scummy as I vote for Crossbell? As you know, I am not the only one voting for Crossbell. Another is, you are saying my reasoning is not strong enough to vote for Crossbell. And what is in my reasoning that is so weak that I shouldn't vote Crossbell? |
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| I have a phase change in another game 1 hour after this one things are going to get crazy for me. @cookiecrusher can you share some more of what you have observed with us? @Rinto-kun did you see my post on Cross you asked about? What are your thoughts? I know I got stuck in a tunnel and Cross isn't getting lynched today so let's discuss a better option. How do you feel about Phraze? I'm uncertain since I feel like this could potentially be town Phraze. It's almost like we got scum meta vs scum meta for cross vs. pharze. @Thieme I honestly haven't paid you too much attention. You seem to be a favorite for lynch today how do you feel about that? @Rosie keep working on cookie we need more information, he'll talk to you. @Kit I think I tend to agree with you on Phraze I feel like she's not being as narrow minded as people are leading on. @Claire what other options would you be willing to lynch today? |
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logic340 said: yeah, i've seen you defending phraze a bit too, so the fact you agree with me is making me hesitant to change my view to agree with gruffin and cross. And I kind of trust you more than them. Hmmm >_<@Kit I think I tend to agree with you on Phraze I feel like she's not being as narrow minded as people are leading on. Well, I can see where they are coming from but at this point I'd be uncomfortable voting phraze... |
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