| Cause taste is pretty subjective, I don't read many reviews. I'd rather watch it and make my own opinion, cause I probably won't agree with other people who reviewed it. |
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| I rarely read reviews. Don't feel i need to know the opinion of others. Just do that when the person gives a very different rate of mine, in this case i feel interested. |
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| What's the point of doing "objective" reviews nowadays? If a person wants to watch a recent anime, it can easily go on a website, watch and have an opinion of it own, what is a lot better than read some "review" made by a stranger. Reviews are useless, unless they are directed to the creator of the product you are reviewing. Plus, most of the reviews here are made by haters, trolls and dumb critics. |
| I don't know I usually compare the 4 grades of the most popular reviews kinda like some critic watching or magazine, like the videogame Game Dev Tycoon. |
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Creatiwiti said: _Ako_ said: so saying reviews are "useless" is a narrow-minded thinking OP..... I didn't say that though. :3 And I'm fine with people not caring about reviews too. I was just wondering WHY reviews have so little attention compared to a few years ago. Fall of reviews popularity begun when MAL changed voting system. I remember that with helpful/not helpful way of voting new reviews were getting at least 20-30 votes (even if it wasn't about new anime) and because ranking was based on % ratio it could get to top4 and gain even more popularity. After introduction of helpful-only rating system I can imagine many people loosing faith in getting through to top4 because older reviews can have up to couple of thousands upvotes. That's where I lost interest as well and I pretty much stopped reading them at all. Occasionaly I just scroll through new reviews section to see them getting even less upvotes. |
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| I care about reviews. Reviews are a great way for a viewer to express their thoughts and bring it to others. If you don't agree, that's fine, if you do, yay, good for you. A good review allows you to tell whether you would agree or not, even without having seen the show. Well, either way, whether you care about them or not doesn't matter. There are people who care about them, and there are people who like writing them, so they won't stop existing. If you don't need them, don't read them, but they can give a good insight on whether or not you'll like the show, even if they are bad. |
| When you can write reviews when only 3 episodes in, it shows how meaningless their substance can be. |
Peco said: When you can write reviews when only 3 episodes in, it shows how meaningless their substance can be. Those are previews. MAL removes them after the show has fully aired |
| Just the first random show from my recent updates ... https://myanimelist.net/anime/14075/Zetsuen_no_Tempest The top review with the most recognition -> 10/24 episodes & 137 word count. No. It doesn't. |
Barnald said: Creatiwiti said: I didn't say that though. :3 And I'm fine with people not caring about reviews too. I was just wondering WHY reviews have so little attention compared to a few years ago. Fall of reviews popularity begun when MAL changed voting system. I remember that with helpful/not helpful way of voting new reviews were getting at least 20-30 votes (even if it wasn't about new anime) and because ranking was based on % ratio it could get to top4 and gain even more popularity. After introduction of helpful-only rating system I can imagine many people loosing faith in getting through to top4 because older reviews can have up to couple of thousands upvotes. That's where I lost interest as well and I pretty much stopped reading them at all. Occasionaly I just scroll through new reviews section to see them getting even less upvotes. What, that's the fall of review section? If you ask me that's the rise of it. Ppl have always that and this, see the Suggestion Forum why it is the way it is now. And if you ask me, I think removing the "not helpful" stuff just makes the "helpful" more genuine... |
| As far as MAL reviews are concerned they are bad mostly because of the sheer number of people posting them. With pretty much the biggest user base among anime and manga social sites, the number of reviewers and reviews is greater as well. Other sites like A-P and AniDB have less members, and thus less reviewers, and while their review regulations are as lax as they are on MAL, I think that despite the large amount of crappy reviews MAL has, that also means that some shows which we don't get any input on other sites, might actually get reviews here. And since I mentioned other sites, might as well spit over the fence and say that, despite people claiming that the reviews and reviewers on other sites might be better, the reviewer cliques on other sites are actually established circlejerks of relatively few people, with a mostly pre-established mindset and even discrimination, with the reviews often resembling more producer roster listing and comparison to other works, than actual reviews. Personally, I'm the type of person that finds reviews somewhat helpful reads both before wathcing/reading something, and afterwards, to complement my own opinion, other perspectives etc. What probably annoys me the most is when I see things like reviews based on things like childhood nostalgia, or something that the reviewer has seen well over 10 years ago. I'd rather read someone's laughably naive opinion, or even a "Hey guys, this is my first review" preface, than something that is essentially filling in blanks, and working with partial memory. It's almost frustrating to see how some reviews are almost complete fabrications, compared to what the shows really are. Even going as far and reviewing things they have seen in dub languages like Arabic, Finnish, Greek, French and so on. It's one thing to remember fondly of your childhood and having watched Robotech while playing with your toy cars or dolls, but don't write a Macross review based on those experiences, hoping to be relevant. |
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| Not sure if this was already mentioned, but they should just STOP letting people review an anime before completion. Once the anime is marked as completed, then it should be open for reviews. I feel the same way as far as ratings go. This shouldn't be applied to manga or other mediums however, due to long hiatuses, longer series, etc. Animes are generally always completed and are much shorter so I don't see why they let people rate/review after 2 episodes. I do not know how difficult it would be to implement on MAL's side as far as their website or development goes, so maybe I am just ignorant to how it can possibly work. |
kamisaka said: The usual counter argument to that is: What about long running series that have 50+ episodes? Some series like One piece wouldn't receive a review for years.Not sure if this was already mentioned, but they should just STOP letting people review an anime before completion. Once the anime is marked as completed, then it should be open for reviews. I feel the same way as far as ratings go. This shouldn't be applied to manga or other mediums however, due to long hiatuses, longer series, etc. Animes are generally always completed and are much shorter so I don't see why they let people rate/review after 2 episodes. I do not know how difficult it would be to implement on MAL's side as far as their website or development goes, so maybe I am just ignorant to how it can possibly work. Btw I agree with you but just saying what I've seen the mods/users answer in similar threads in the suggestions forum. |
zalJan 16, 2017 1:43 PM
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| I sometimes read reviews just to see what people have said about a certain anime but other than that I don't really care as much xD. I usually just watch the anime if I've read the manga/light novel of a certain show or if it's a genre I like. |
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zal said: The usual counter argument to that is: What about long running series that have 50+ episodes? They wouldn't receive a review for years. Btw I agree with you but just saying what I've seen the mods/users answer in similar threads in the suggestions forum. Oh shoot, I totally forgot about those =/ Can't believe it slipped my mind lol. I don't follow many long series, but that's completely reasonable too. Then to counter that, it's probably been mentioned before, but how about opening up reviews after 12 episodes or implement a waiting period of 3 months after the inital air date? This way, reviews and ratings would probably be more refined even if we are talking about 24 or 52 or whatever episode series. Not trying to argue with you, but I was hoping you know a bit more about this and don't mind to share? Haven't been frequenting the forums much. |
| Actually, I find ratings more useful than reviews because they show what the majority of the community thinks thus making higher rated shows more likely to be to your liking. And reviews are just one man's opinion. |
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kamisaka said: I don't think the staff really cares also they generate traffic so for MAL they are kinda good.zal said: The usual counter argument to that is: What about long running series that have 50+ episodes? They wouldn't receive a review for years. Btw I agree with you but just saying what I've seen the mods/users answer in similar threads in the suggestions forum. Oh shoot, I totally forgot about those =/ Can't believe it slipped my mind lol. I don't follow many long series, but that's completely reasonable too. Then to counter that, it's probably been mentioned before, but how about opening up reviews after 12 episodes or implement a waiting period of 3 months after the inital air date? This way, reviews and ratings would probably be more refined even if we are talking about 24 or 52 or whatever episode series. Not trying to argue with you, but I was hoping you know a bit more about this and don't mind to share? Haven't been frequenting the forums much. That said though reviews made while the show is airing are deleted when the show ends airing. It takes a while for the mods to delete them and another while for them to actually disappear from the review section but they are indeed going to be removed most of the time. And that's a reason why a lot of reviews have less helpful upvotes than they should, those upvotes go to reviews that are going to be deleted.I think most users that upvote immediately after a show ends never check the reviews for that anime again. |
zalJan 16, 2017 2:06 PM
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| I'm fine with reviews if it's on a critical standpoint. |
| What people mainly use reviews for is to find one that they already agree with to confirm their own opinions. I still enjoy the process of writing one though even if it feels like shouting into the void. |
| I don't read them 1) They're long 2) I don't care |
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| I see reviews just as personal exercises of self-comprehension. As the way for reviewers to understand the reasons that made them like/dislike, approve/disapprove what they just saw, and in the process, materialise or record their own thoughts and impressions. For the rest of the people they serve as only guides, and one must never condition the decision of watching or not on them, specially those where the score given is a 1 or a 10, because in like 99% of the cases, they are going to be 100% biased. |
| I like hearing other people's opinions on shows and what they like/dislike about it but you are right, I personally don't really care about reviews. Mostly because I personally feel that no one knows what they're talking about most of the time. Many reviews I read are either gibberish or contradictory. I feel like you had to have years of anime watching experience to know what you're talking about when it comes to critiquing a complex show for example. I dismiss alot of them given that most reviews I see are people with either 10-100 days of watching. There's like maybe 5 people on this site that I actually follow their reviews tbh. |
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| The removal of the "Not helpful" button was the final nail on the review coffin. MAL might well just remove reviews. #BringBackNotHelpfulButton |
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| Most reviews have the same analytical and literary quality as sonic fanfiction so no, most people don't care. |
| I only read them if theyre straight to the point with no unnecessary bs in it |
| I read the top 3 reviews before watching a anime. Coz I care bout the reviews than the overall "ranked" of a anime. Some anime are awful despite having a huge score, so review is still important and I do care. For example, has a very high score but poor reviews. or low ranked compare to Erased but positive reviews. |
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| i didnt read any reviews after monster . i learned that people reviews are 90% useless. |
| Sometimes I read them sometimes I don't it depends on the mood and the time I have, some reviews are so long nobody even care about. |
Creatiwiti said: Just a few years ago reviews on MAL got a LOT more attention, which showed in the amount of helpfuls they got. Now it seems like even popular anime reviews don't get any attention at all anymore. Has the community given up on them? And do you guys even read reviews anymore? They delete reviews of shows that are posted an episode after the series starts. |
| I only read reviews if I have a hard time choosing whether or not to watch that anime. But that rarely ever happens. |
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| Yeh, I don't care about reviews. I rather watch the anime myself to see whether I like it or not. |
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EcchiLordMamster said: i have no idea.... cause i don't... and i usually skim the shit out of rants here and MAL and say tl;dr tl;dr is the way of the lazy and the wasting life. Zapredon said:  With all due respect, nobody care about internet argument. In the end of the day, whether it's review or discussion, people will still stick to their own opinion. Actually, I've been to many interesting arguments on the internet. Just because a lot of morons use it doesn't mean you can't find the intelligenstia there. Rei366 said: @TheBrainintheJar Because they prefer raw unstructured bar talk over well exposed arguments in a structured form. (it probably comes down to not wanting to feel like an idiot by reading a good text) About reviews/critics, some people might be interested in this: in one of his novels preface, Maupassant (a famous novelist) ponders on what critics should do and what they often actually end up doing. I know it is "old" (especially for a crowd who tends to see anything above 5years old in a young art as old/dated) but it still has weight today (especially here). What's weird is that reading 10 paragraphs takes way less time, yet provides more content. |
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| Its up to you, you want to care or not. That is opinion and one brain has one opinion too, and its subjective. Ex : for ecchi anime, people who like ecchi anime, will say the anime is good, but who don't like ecchi, they will say it bad. Just see the reason why people say it good or bad, so I know why people says its good, or its bad. |
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| I stopped reading reviews after "not helpfull" button being removed :D The main reason i stopped reading reviews is because the re is no meaning in this anymore. 1) I cant see the negative votes on a review and a review cant have only positive ones. 2) Everybody follow the same pattern on reviewing as the original first and best reviewers like stark for example. 3) Spoils: the majority of people spoil a lot especially when they re hating a show. my opinion is that when you choose to hate something on a review you try to express the reasons why they do and not spoil the whole show using caps lock. These are my opinions and reasons on why reviews are getting less and less attention. |
| I'm sorry but I would be surprised if someone cared about reviews after I saw many based on just the first episode of an anime. I giggled. How can you appreciate tons of writing after you know this person judges a whole series only on the first 20 minutes of it? The moment you see the reviewer tells the anime deserves 10 having watched only the beginning, it's inevitable to slowly start ignoring them. |
Perfect12 said: Review based only on the first episode get deleted quite soon.I'm sorry but I would be surprised if someone cared about reviews after I saw many based on just the first episode of an anime. I giggled. How can you appreciate tons of writing after you know this person judges a whole series only on the first 20 minutes of it? The moment you see the reviewer tells the anime deserves 10 having watched only the beginning, it's inevitable to slowly start ignoring them. Mr_Cherry said: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1400487&show=0#post21I stopped reading reviews after "not helpfull" button being removed :D The main reason i stopped reading reviews is because the re is no meaning in this anymore. 1) I cant see the negative votes on a review and a review cant have only positive ones. 2) Everybody follow the same pattern on reviewing as the original first and best reviewers like stark for example. 3) Spoils: the majority of people spoil a lot especially when they re hating a show. my opinion is that when you choose to hate something on a review you try to express the reasons why they do and not spoil the whole show using caps lock. These are my opinions and reasons on why reviews are getting less and less attention. The unhelpful bottom is mostly redundant, the biggest fanbase (haters or fanboys) prevail anyway, sometimes good reviews prevail too. |
zalJan 17, 2017 11:00 AM
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zal said: Perfect12 said: Review based only on the first episode get deleted quite soon.I'm sorry but I would be surprised if someone cared about reviews after I saw many based on just the first episode of an anime. I giggled. How can you appreciate tons of writing after you know this person judges a whole series only on the first 20 minutes of it? The moment you see the reviewer tells the anime deserves 10 having watched only the beginning, it's inevitable to slowly start ignoring them. Mr_Cherry said: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1400487&show=0#post21I stopped reading reviews after "not helpfull" button being removed :D The main reason i stopped reading reviews is because the re is no meaning in this anymore. 1) I cant see the negative votes on a review and a review cant have only positive ones. 2) Everybody follow the same pattern on reviewing as the original first and best reviewers like stark for example. 3) Spoils: the majority of people spoil a lot especially when they re hating a show. my opinion is that when you choose to hate something on a review you try to express the reasons why they do and not spoil the whole show using caps lock. These are my opinions and reasons on why reviews are getting less and less attention. The unhelpful bottom is mostly redundant, the biggest fanbase (haters or fanboys) prevail anyway, sometimes good reviews prevail too. Its easilly understood then, that community and reviews cant co-exist they way they once did. MAL had good days when it was not known at everyone. |
| I kinda care about reviews, simply because it is a nice way to see an alternate thought process on the same series. |
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InsaneLeader13 said: I kinda care about reviews, simply because it is a nice way to see an alternate thought process on the same series. Hope Demo does some reviews again...or anything. :/ |
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| Is the decline of review readers real, or just perception? Maybe a lot of the up-voters of days past weren't actually readers, but fans engaged in an up-voting/down-voting war that has since cooled off. nry said: Why not? Reviews contain a lot more information that just a score. What's wrong with factoring that information into a decision to watch a show or not?For the rest of the people they serve as only guides, and one must never condition the decision of watching or not on them, specially those where the score given is a 1 or a 10, because in like 99% of the cases, they are going to be 100% biased. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Josh said: Is the decline of review readers real, or just perception? Maybe a lot of the up-voters of days past weren't actually readers, but fans engaged in an up-voting/down-voting war that has since cooled off. nry said: Why not? Reviews contain a lot more information that just a score. What's wrong with factoring that information into a decision to watch a show or not?For the rest of the people they serve as only guides, and one must never condition the decision of watching or not on them, specially those where the score given is a 1 or a 10, because in like 99% of the cases, they are going to be 100% biased. I mean reviews one must only see them as guides, as orientation, not determinants of your final decision. All I'm saying is that one must not automatically decide "I'll watch this show" just because the review, in general terms, claimed "the show is great", and the same goes if it claimed "the show was crap"; you should not automatically dismiss it. |
TheBrainintheJar said: Zapredon said: With all due respect, nobody care about internet argument. In the end of the day, whether it's review or discussion, people will still stick to their own opinion. Actually, I've been to many interesting arguments on the internet. Just because a lot of morons use it doesn't mean you can't find the intelligenstia there. Intelligence or not is not the issues here. Not that internet argument about cartoon prove anyone intelligence anyway. It's about whether people will care or the opinion of other will change their mind. A Tatami Galaxy, SAO,Re:Zero fans etc will still think their favorite anime is the best regardless of what negative criticism directed towards their favorite anime. Same applies for people who doesn't like those anime. Nobody or most people don't care about review simply because in the end, they will stick to their opinion. If I read a negative review before I watch anime, then I watch that anime and found it great,of course I will still think it's good even though it receives negative reviews. I myself prefer 3 episodes rule rather than review before decided to watch anime until the end. Netizen might not want to believe it but truth is,internet argument or review weight and matter little. |
ZapredonJan 17, 2017 9:12 PM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Immediately after watching a series, I usually read both high / low score review to understand the things that people general like / dislike on particular series. Since my ok-ish average score are 7 currently (I need to drop it down to 4), so I just need extra info either to put specific anime into 6, 7 , 8. I rarely read review before watching specific anime though. Only part I feel weird about many reviews are, they put quite high objective score (character, world, story etc) but then bring down the score to 1 without giving reason why their subjective score bring the score down so low (not that I cared anyway) |
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Zapredon said: TheBrainintheJar said: Actually, I've been to many interesting arguments on the internet. Just because a lot of morons use it doesn't mean you can't find the intelligenstia there. Intelligence or not is not the issues here. Not that internet argument about cartoon prove anyone intelligence anyway. It's about whether people will care or the opinion of other will change their mind. A Tatami Galaxy, SAO,Re:Zero fans etc will still think their favorite anime is the best regardless of what negative criticism directed towards their favorite anime. Same applies for people who doesn't like those anime. Nobody or most people don't care about review simply because in the end, they will stick to their opinion. If I read a negative review before I watch anime, then I watch that anime and found it great,of course I will still think it's good even though it receives negative reviews. I myself prefer 3 episodes rule rather than review before decided to watch anime until the end. Netizen might not want to believe it but truth is,internet argument or review weight and matter little. The fact you think these discussions are only about whether Tatami Galaxy is good or not shows how you miss the point. Art and entertainment aren't isolated things but connected to everything else. When we talk about anime, we talk about art, about the themes present in the anime and what they mean. It can also be just practicing the art of dialectic discource. |
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