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ernst said: Why Lancer appear stronger as a Caster? Because he isnt? Without fighting seriously in UBW he almost killed This time he didnt have a Master holding him back. xenovibe said: How much more boring can this franchise get? I would actually be fine with it if it managed to deliver some unintentional comedy along the way but everything was just so damn bland and mediocre. Reminds me of that double length first episode of Fate/Zero where I almost fell asleep twice (god, that anime was an absolute slog to get through). I mean...fuck, Kill la Kill's plot was pretty terrible and completely retarded but at least it managed to keep the viewer's attention through most of it. This is just...torture. fluffy_maus said: I had a few good laughs, that was most of the time more unintentionally comical than anything else. If only that was actually the case. "Look everyone.My Taste is so much superior" |
| You're wrong @ssjokg . I choose to believe it's his nakedness :p If only he showed more skin as a Lancer. A certain Master would've still died of blood loss, but from a nose bleed this time :p |
astroprogs said: too bad the ufo anime didnt use his 2nd ascension.You're wrong @ssjokg . I choose to believe it's his nakedness :p If only he showed more skin as a Lancer. A certain Master would've still died of blood loss, but from a nose bleed this time :p You mean she would actually die this time. |
ssjokg said: astroprogs said: too bad the ufo anime didnt use his 2nd ascension.You're wrong @ssjokg . I choose to believe it's his nakedness :p If only he showed more skin as a Lancer. A certain Master would've still died of blood loss, but from a nose bleed this time :p You mean she would actually die this time. I don't think HA happen for her in every timeline. She must've kicked it in some. |
| Seeing Rin, an actual realistic well written character be compared to one-note tsundere tutorial character....ughhhh gee thanks ufoubw. ernst said: So who is the shield servant? What the hell is that OP wicker man? Why Lancer appear stronger as a Caster? "Don't think too hard about it". |
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astroprogs said: i thought Angra and later Caren save her in every timeline. Caren is the official replacement of Kirei afterall.ssjokg said: too bad the ufo anime didnt use his 2nd ascension. You mean she would actually die this time. I don't think HA happen for her in every timeline. She must've kicked it in some. |
Fai said: If Rin was realistic people would avoid her.Not try to be friends with her or fall in love with her.Seeing Rin, an actual realistic well written character be compared to one-note tsundere tutorial character....ughhhh ernst said: So who is the shield servant? What the hell is that OP wicker man? Why Lancer appear stronger as a Caster? "Don't think too hard about it". I get that she is your waifu but now you are as bad as the people you claim to be fgo audience/players. And it is funny how you can easily answer the second part but you wont because you are so salty about fgo going against your headcanon. |
| I'll make this quick As a FGO player (and fan), I really enjoyed this special. I found it better than the actual game prologue: they made the exposition scenes shorter, less dumb (yeah, you could argue that "it's still dumb exposition", but it's an improvement from the game, believe me), and added more locations to Fuyuki (like the school building). The fight scenes were ok, sometimes even good, and they take full advantage of the whole corrupted Servants and old-Fate fights things by giving us . Also, those heavy hints vere great, I didn't expect them and I loved them. All of this coming from a relatively new and small studio really makes me happy and gives me more hope for future (and better) adaptations of the next Orders. They clearly know what they are doing and how much important is to do it right. k, I've just thrown my two cents here, I'll now go back to lurk in this thread hoping for some more hilarious comments |
LeloTheUnamusedJan 4, 2017 5:01 AM
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aviro said: Hi senpais, i do like anime (very much) but not well informed. It shocks me much that this anime is connected to Fate/ franchise. So shocked that i thought this was just another new anime lol. Greetings. Yeah Fate is always shock, however you look at it... |
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| Overall it's a fine movie so I'm giving it a 6. I hate the fact that Saber and Archer lost that way. Especially Archer, he didn't even got to use his noble phantasm. But I'm going to add a 1, so I'm making it 7. Mainly because Lancer/Caster looks hot as f*ck half naked. |
ssjokg said: astroprogs said: i thought Angra and later Caren save her in every timeline. Caren is the official replacement of Kirei afterall.I don't think HA happen for her in every timeline. She must've kicked it in some. I remember something at the very end of HA along the lines that this was a chance occurrence, not an inevitable outcome. I mean, look at the last scene of HA. A certain house really shouldn't have all those people in it. I could be remembering wrongly, even if for some reason i got that impression strongly, so take that with a pinch of salt. |
| I LOVED this. From the action, to the music and the character design. Also I loved seeing FSN character acting differently than normal in their "other" versions. |
| "I lost all of what you could call feelings of love. They weren't sealed, so they can't be released. They weren't broken, so they can't be fixed. That which is lost, cannot be recovered." Shiba Tatsuya "There are no regrets. If one can be proud of one's life, one should not wish for another chance." Saber "No matter what happens, no matter how crazy things get, I'll always try to restore balance." Korra "It's madness to let others take what's yours and accept it blindly." Baatar Jr "Instinct is a lie, told by a fearful body, hoping to be wrong." Zaheer "Partner in crime, partner in time" Chloe Price and Max Caulfield |
| I found it more normal than 99.9% of the game. |
ssjokg said: I found it more normal than 99.9% of the game. True, but that happens outside of the SPOILER. 99.9% of the game may not be normal, for obvious reasons, but that scene in particular is supposed to convey the return, and it's an entirely new scenario from the three we've seen in F/SN. KOKA_Xu said: astroprogs said: Yep. Along with confirming Hakunon for Fate/EXTRA Last Encore and a new Heaven's Feel trailer. Holy Christ, seriously? I thought only Fate extra is gonna be introduced in 2017 Enjoy :D |
astroprogsJan 4, 2017 1:06 PM
ssjokg said: ernst said: Why Lancer appear stronger as a Caster? Because he isnt? Without fighting seriously in UBW he almost killed This time he didnt have a Master holding him back. xenovibe said: How much more boring can this franchise get? I would actually be fine with it if it managed to deliver some unintentional comedy along the way but everything was just so damn bland and mediocre. Reminds me of that double length first episode of Fate/Zero where I almost fell asleep twice (god, that anime was an absolute slog to get through). I mean...fuck, Kill la Kill's plot was pretty terrible and completely retarded but at least it managed to keep the viewer's attention through most of it. This is just...torture. If only that was actually the case. "Look everyone.My Taste is so much superior" Hey, that's what you are insinuating, not me. Though I have to say, it does baffle me at times how so much of you Fate fans are completely satisfied with this kind of mediocrity. |
xenovibe said: Hey, that's what you are insinuating, not me. Though I have to say, it does baffle me at times how so much of you Fate fans are completely satisfied with this kind of mediocrity. Nobody is really satisfied with Grand Order crap.Majority of sane fanbase either ignores it or treats it with cringe. Even those who liked Apocrypha(the worst fate work so before FGO) hold no strong feelings about fgo. Certainly nobody would claim it is pinnacle of writing or anything good overall. Its a mobile game. Everything is said with that. The only good thing it generated are the memes and even those grow old. This case is an exception as ssjokg simply made it their mission to pretty much go after anyone who dared to dislike anything in the franchise. In fact half this thread is pretty much his replies to anyone who disliked it. What can I say - there's a reason ignore lists exist on mal. |
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xenovibe said: ssjokg said: Because he isnt? Without fighting seriously in UBW he almost killed This time he didnt have a Master holding him back. "Look everyone.My Taste is so much superior" Hey, that's what you are insinuating, not me. Though I have to say, it does baffle me at times how so much of you Fate fans are completely satisfied with this kind of mediocrity. Seeing as how even Fate/Zero the "deep" series of Fate was boring to you then maybe this isnt for you? Seeing someone whose most favs are as much snoozefest as they can be, like Fate/'s exposition eps, maybe the problem is that the series simply isnt your cup of tea and it has nothing to do with quality? Fai said: xenovibe said: Hey, that's what you are insinuating, not me. Though I have to say, it does baffle me at times how so much of you Fate fans are completely satisfied with this kind of mediocrity. Nobody is really satisfied with Grand Order crap.Majority of sane fanbase either ignores it or treats it with cringe. Even those who liked Apocrypha(the worst fate work so before FGO) hold no strong feelings about fgo. Certainly nobody would claim it is pinnacle of writing or anything good overall. Its a mobile game. Everything is said with that. The only good thing it generated are the memes and even those grow old. This case is an exception as ssjokg simply made it their mission to pretty much go after anyone who dared to dislike anything in the franchise. In fact half this thread is pretty much his replies to anyone who disliked it. What can I say - there's a reason ignore lists exist on mal. Except that this isnt about FGO? Use your brain you special snowflake.If I am going after everyone that dislikes adaptations of Fate, then you are going after everyone that likes the adaptations of Fate. So shut the fuck up.At least I dont insult the people that like this or the game. Lets not forget how a few years ago it was your mission to go after anyone that dared like the UBW anime and dislike the lolifest that is FAte/Kaleid. |
ssjokgJan 4, 2017 3:58 PM
ssjokg said: xenovibe said: Hey, that's what you are insinuating, not me. Though I have to say, it does baffle me at times how so much of you Fate fans are completely satisfied with this kind of mediocrity. Seeing as how even Fate/Zero the "deep" series of Fate was boring to you then maybe this isnt for you? Seeing someone whose most favs are as much snoozefest as they can be, like Fate/'s exposition eps, maybe the problem is that the series simply isnt your cup of tea and it has nothing to do with quality? The only thing "deep" about that show was the characters' vocal cords length because everyone just kept babbling on and on to a ridiculous extent instead of killing each other in what's supposedly called a holy grail war (and not a holy grail tea party). Funny how you just straight up attacked my preferences in japanese cartoons yet I'm apparently the one who thinks he's "superior" to others. |
xenovibe said: ssjokg said: Seeing as how even Fate/Zero the "deep" series of Fate was boring to you then maybe this isnt for you? Seeing someone whose most favs are as much snoozefest as they can be, like Fate/'s exposition eps, maybe the problem is that the series simply isnt your cup of tea and it has nothing to do with quality? The only thing "deep" about that show was the characters' vocal cords length because everyone just kept babbling on and on to a ridiculous extent instead of killing each other in what's supposedly called a holy grail war (and not a holy grail tea party). Funny how you just straight up attacked my preferences in japanese cartoons yet I'm apparently the one who thinks he's "superior" to others. It's funny how I put your favs in the same category as FZ, which I defend here, yet you claim I attacked them and your preference. And I guess character motivations, build up and etc doesnt matter to you. You just saw war in the synopsis and expected freaking Battle Royale with Magic. I mean that's how wars work right? Make plans? Pfft Negotiate alliances? Pfft Who cares about those? |
gemanepa said: ernst said: Why Lancer appear stronger as a Caster? Because the more naked he is, the stronger he gets Most in game ascensions work that way. |
And this is why Saber Alter is better than Blue Saber... lel |
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ssjokg said: Except that this isnt about FGO? Use your brain you special snowflake.If I am going after everyone that dislikes adaptations of Fate, then you are going after everyone that likes the adaptations of Fate. So shut the fuck up.At least I dont insult the people that like this or the game. You basically said what I was about to say, so thank you. Aside from the fact that (even if sometimes maybe too "violently") you only tried to defend the series/franchise against not-so-well-accurate criticisms, I really can't understand how Fai can accuse you to "go after anyone who dared to dislike anything in the franchise", when it's him that's pretty much going in every corner of the internet against anyone who likes anything Fate-related aside from Extra and Prillya. Heck, you can pick a random FGO video on youtube and you'll probably find him in the comments, to the point that people started to recognize him: if that's not "harassing a person just because they dared to (dis)like" an entry to the franchise (like he always says about people who object to his points), I don't know what is. ssjokg said: Lets not forget how a few years ago it was your mission to go after anyone that dared like the UBW anime and dislike the lolifest that is FAte/Kaleid. Ok, just my opinion in this, but I too find Prisma Illya great. Surprisingly great actually, starting from around half of 2wei. But that's only for the manga: right now the anime is almost trash, a pointless series that blows up the budget in loli fanservice filler episodes and release really crappy action/plot episodes. Basically, the exact opposite of what the manga is. And I loved how the first series actually improved its manga counterpart, but basically everything from 2wei herz onwards is either a mistake or a disappointing adaptation, and that's basically a fact (since anyone with a pair of eyes can check it) If they screw up the movie too I'll really lose faith in that anime and just drop it and go back to be a manga-only reader. Wow, I managed to say more about a side-argument then about the main one. Sorry about that, I probably wasted your time. |
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LeloThePGG said: ssjokg said: Lets not forget how a few years ago it was your mission to go after anyone that dared like the UBW anime and dislike the lolifest that is FAte/Kaleid. Ok, just my opinion in this, but I too find Prisma Illya great. Surprisingly great actually, starting from around half of 2wei. But that's only for the manga: right now the anime is almost trash, a pointless series that blows up the budget in loli fanservice filler episodes and release really crappy action/plot episodes. Basically, the exact opposite of what the manga is. And I loved how the first series actually improved its manga counterpart, but basically everything from 2wei herz onwards is either a mistake or a disappointing adaptation, and that's basically a fact (since anyone with a pair of eyes can check it) If they screw up the movie too I'll really lose faith in that anime and just drop it and go back to be a manga-only reader. Wow, I managed to say more about a side-argument then about the main one. Sorry about that, I probably wasted your time. While I do agree that the manga is great, not so great as other Fate works(except the original Extra), it is just a repeat of FSN with Ilya as the MC with Mahou Shoujo powers to save the day instead instead of Shirou with Projection Magecraft(oh wait that is the upcoming movie). Story and theme wise it is nothing new and it relies on fasnervice(not the ecchi one) to keep the fans reading it.Pretty much like every fan fic is written. Yes FGO relies on that same fanservise to sell, and it does it very well, but it also brought new themes on the table while developing even more some old characters that where stuck with only one portrayal,like Gil in Babylonia and the Round Table in Jerusalem. Did we see any new sides to Ilya, Rin, Bazett, Gil, Sakura, Caren(why was she even there)or Shirou in Kaleid? And I see Fai reached the point where he is trash talking the Arthurian Legends. That's some quality stuff right there. |
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ssjokg said: While I do agree that the manga is great, not so great as other Fate works(except the original Extra), it is just a repeat of FSN with Ilya as the MC with Mahou Shoujo powers to save the day instead instead of Shirou with Projection Magecraft(oh wait that is the upcoming movie). Story and theme wise it is nothing new and it relies on fasnervice(not the ecchi one) to keep the fans reading it.Pretty much like every fan fic is written. Yes FGO relies on that same fanservise to sell, and it does it very well, but it also brought new themes on the table while developing even more some old characters that where stuck with only one portrayal,like Gil in Babylonia and the Round Table in Jerusalem. Did we see any new sides to Ilya, Rin, Bazett, Gil, Sakura, Caren(why was she even there)or Shirou in Kaleid? And I see Fai reached the point where he is trash talking the Arthurian Legends. That's some quality stuff right there. Yes, Prillya it's definetly a sort of "retelling" of FSN with Illya as a MC. Even the three parts structure and the themes in those are basically a mirror of the original routes in the VN. Prisma Illya is the true fanservice series imho: like you said, it did not introduce anything new (for now, at least) and it's only focusing on being entertnaining and appealing to Fate fans. Which, again like you said, it's only a part of what FGO is doing, the other big part being introducing new themes, new concepts, and expanding the lore of the franchise. My point about Prillya and Fai, at this point, is that while the manga is great, the anime is now barely watchable, and Silver Link pretty much screwed up the most anticipated part (3rei). To value so much a manga which is basically only fanservice characters/plot and an anime that is fanservice filler and instead hate an entry to the franchise that is both fanservice character/plot and a good story and concept on its own is nonsensical to me. Like, I really can't figure out where his blind rage and paranoia is coming from. (thanks for your answer btw) |
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Kryptiq said: And not a single fuck was given towards the poor director XD HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH I KNOW RIGHT?! They should've cared A LITTLE at least but not even that lol It's so cruel and hilarious at the same time |
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climed said: I didn't think the Fate franchise can sink lower than fate/kaleid which panders to pedophiles with its loli fest and underage yuri. Then I watched this. But muh lolis...they're so lascive, I mean pure... And the fights by Silver Link are sometimes better than the UFOTABLE ones. |
| FGO NA Code: 482.072.599 (F2P thug life of savings...) Ben-to! best nonsensical action anime. Ever. |
| Lol this thread is glorious. I absolutely can't wait to look at the HF threads, that shitstorm is going to be 200 times worse than this. Anyway, this was bad and boring, 3/10. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. MAL is literally just anime Twitter as its own website lol. |
frenze12 said: You compare a prologue to an entire story, even if it is the UBW movie.Frostbytes said: Meh, at least Cu caster was nice to see, rest of the cardboard characters were boring af. Above average animation. 5-6/10. That's what you get when you spend most of the time on world building rather than characters. But with only 1 hour to go through an entire order that's no suprise. (That said i do believe studio Deen did a better job at character building with the UBW movie...) |
frenze12 said: Everyone really has to stop using "it's only a prologue" as a excuse. Did you know there is a sound drama around somewhat equal length as this anime special that did 10 times better character development than this? So no this show isn't bad because it's a prologue, it's bad because not much thought was spend on characters at all. Which is the exact reason why "this is only a prologue" is said a lot here. At first not even Nasu expected people to read the story and want to have a good one, so the first chapters have a slow character growth, and only after a certain point the writers actively dedicated to make it better. Also, we are not using "this is only a prologue" as an excuse, but as a simple explanation. We (FGO players) too would have loved FGO to start with the same writing it obtained from chapter 3, but it didn't. But this was a prologue, and written when they didn't expect people to care about the story (and also had to write a lot less). That's the reason it's like this, that's the reason we are saying that it gets better and that the prologue nature of the First Order shows in here. Nothing more, nothing less. And comparing a prologue with an entire story is still wrong, even if a drama CD (what drama CD are you referring to btw? GoA?) made better characterization in the same length. Because that's still a complete story that said everything in that time, while this is a prologue made exactly as a prologue, leaving a lot stuff for the later chapters to show and reveal. |
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frenze12 said: ssjokg said: You compare a prologue to an entire story, even if it is the UBW movie. Everyone really has to stop using "it's only a prologue" as a excuse. Did you know there is a sound drama around somewhat equal length as this anime special that did 10 times better character development than this? So no this show isn't bad because it's a prologue, it's bad because not much thought was spend on characters at all. Its especially hilarious because even if you look at this when comparing to other prologues it STILL sucks. First Order literally fails to set up anything apart from throwing out some lines of chuuni jargon(that don't even get proper explanation). Character building? None of that. I mean the MC is literally starts and ends with "hi I got a job offer and I passed out sleeping here on the floor". This is a hour long "prologue"(longer than most prologues get) that only manages to throw in some vague terminology, set up some waifu baiting and kill off a character who got barely few lines and zero development. The "but don't worry it will get better 544 episodes latter" is also hilarious excuse people throw. Hell, if they ever adapt next two arcs into OVAs(which I doubt they will, defeats the purpose), they would have to literally replace 99% of content. Tldr: let's not pretend this is about a story. Its a mobage. People trying to defend bad writing of this are just being silly. A mobile game story just does not work in a visual medium because story is never a focus in a mobile game. What Is unforgivable about the OVA though is the bad animation. If a narrative is poor, at least make the popcorn tasty, for gods sake. Yet the fights in this OVA have got to be some of the most pedestrian and dull. Its not even the animation quality itself that is a problem. It is low sure but the problem lies in storyboarding and choreography used. When fighting, characters just stand and talk and pose and talk and talk and stand and talk. There's no care or effort in this OVA overall. It feels like "we made it because we had to" kind of approach. If one is adapting shlocky tasteless mobage, at least make the fights look decent. |
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frenze12 said: ssjokg said: You compare a prologue to an entire story, even if it is the UBW movie. Everyone really has to stop using "it's only a prologue" as a excuse. Did you know there is a sound drama around somewhat equal length as this anime special that did 10 times better character development than this? So no this show isn't bad because it's a prologue, it's bad because not much thought was spend on characters at all. The Drama CDs of FZ are ALSO better than the anime because they "waste" time of the narration instead of animation and pretty much copy the LN to 1:1. Does that make the FZ anime bad? I am also curious what kind of "development " the characters of FGO have in the drama CD prologue.Care to tell?Because if they already got their development there is no reason for the rest of the story. This OVA did what a prologue is supposed to do.Introduce the characters, introduced their goals, it introduced the setting, and the bad guy. I understand if people have an issue with the setting or how the characters are for now but dont tell me that Fate/Extra was any different. Lets look at UBW Prologue. Does it develop Rin at all?No. Would it make sense if that was just that? Oh I am sure you will run and say that it was perfect but no, Rin would be just an orphaned ojou-sama that fucks up at the important stuff.SO MUCH DEPTH. No, a prologue alone isnt enough to show anything.If the prologue already develops the characters then what are they doing for the rest of the story?? @Fai The fights were fine and the animation during vs Alter and Archer were really good.And the choreography during those was what kept people interested. And it is so clear that you never TRIED to read(you have claimed to know japanese before) the mobage because you have no idea how much reading you have to do. I understand your brain just blows up when you talk about Fate for the past two years but you compare this studio https://myanimelist.net/anime/producer/1087/Lay-duce To these? https://myanimelist.net/anime/producer/94/Telecom_Animation_Film https://myanimelist.net/anime/producer/894/Graphinica And an 1 hour special budget to a movie trilogy budget?Get out of here. |
frenze12 said: The drama cd was called "Fate grand order first take" and the reason i mentioned it was because it specifically retells the story of the first order but only better. (But let me guess: people are going to say this isn't a prologue since it's a "complete story" of the first order trolololol...) I admit it, I didn't know about that drama CD. I'll check it out to compare it with the OVA and the game, before touching this discussion point again. (and no, I'm not stupid and you don't need you "trololololol" to argue here. A prologue is a prologue, if the drama CD does it better, as you say it does, I won't go against the facts and insist it doesn't. Because that would be delusional and against the point of having a discussion. So chill) ssjokg said to Fai what I wanted to point out so there's no need for me to say anithing more about that (even if using the trailer for a movie trilogy done by two popular studios to say that the fights in a TV OVA done by a single new studio are bad is still stupid no matter what the excuse for it is) |
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LeloThePGG said: frenze12 said: The drama cd was called "Fate grand order first take" and the reason i mentioned it was because it specifically retells the story of the first order but only better. (But let me guess: people are going to say this isn't a prologue since it's a "complete story" of the first order trolololol...) I admit it, I didn't know about that drama CD. I'll check it out to compare it with the OVA and the game, before touching this discussion point again. (and no, I'm not stupid and you don't need you "trololololol" to argue here. A prologue is a prologue, if the drama CD does it better, as you say it does, I won't go against the facts and insist it doesn't. Because that would be delusional and against the point of having a discussion. So chill) ssjokg said to Fai what I wanted to point out so there's no need for me to say anithing more about that (even if using the trailer for a movie trilogy done by two popular studios to say that the fights in a TV OVA done by a single new studio are bad is still stupid no matter what the excuse for it is) What the drama CD did is irrelevant since by that logic the FZ anime is also bad compared to its drama CDs. The drama CD may did a better introduction of the characters but develop them? I would like for @frenze12 to tell me how, in a spoiler tag. IF Mashu and Ritsuka had any noticeable development it should be easy. |
LeloThePGG said: ssjokg said to Fai what I wanted to point out so there's no need for me to say anithing more about that (even if using the trailer for a movie trilogy done by two popular studios to say that the fights in a TV OVA done by a single new studio are bad is still stupid no matter what the excuse for it is) 1. Animation budget =/= directing and choreography. UBW had all the budget and still looked pedestrian and cheap despite the over-polish(which frankly is damn achievement). Less is more. Quality beats quantity. And even then UfoUBW prologue is nearly perfect(barring omitting some important lore and narration) in that it manages to perfectly set up characterization for Rin and Shirou(In fact it is pretty much the only case of characterization those two ever get in the show), while still doing a popcorn fight. Rin portion especially had a lot of great show-not-tell ways in establishing who Rin is as a person through cinematography. It could have had half the budget and would still have the same ideas conveyed because of the HOW. On the flipside though, some of latter fights could have double the budget and would still look poor. In case of FGO, this OVA needed BOTH the budget AND better cinematography. 2. Type Moon and Aniplex are absolutely swimming in money from the FGO gambling far more than CC developers both because of popularity and because of FGO containing far more predatory practices than CC. There's no excuse of this being this half-assed. Its not a money problem. Its an effort problem. 3. Aniplex is absolutely humongous in assuming control over productions so they had all the strings in controlling who adapts it and what kind of production staff is in charge of it and how much money is spent on it. It was their choice to assign a "literally-who" studio to the work and being okay with a half assed poorly made work. Then again, that describes how they made FGO too - throw it into a literally nobody level new game dev studio who then does a minimal work required with a half-broken content-empty game while generating ridiculous sums of money off otaku. Tldr: no matter the lipservice or excuses, this is an advert-level adaptation of already mediocre content. Trying to write off criticism via "but it totes gets better!" or "they did hte best they could" is just ridiculous. There's making the best out of the worst outcome(they did kind of try by omitting filler fights and ocusing more on the fanfavorite character fanservice - after all FGO could be made watchable by trimming down the braindead jargon and poorly written narrative and just focusing on instant gratification action) and then there's not even trying(the rest of the special). This was bad. The End. Even Naked Sexy Cu can't salvage this. |
AhenshihaelJan 7, 2017 4:06 AM
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ssjokg said: LeloThePGG said: I admit it, I didn't know about that drama CD. I'll check it out to compare it with the OVA and the game, before touching this discussion point again. (and no, I'm not stupid and you don't need you "trololololol" to argue here. A prologue is a prologue, if the drama CD does it better, as you say it does, I won't go against the facts and insist it doesn't. Because that would be delusional and against the point of having a discussion. So chill) ssjokg said to Fai what I wanted to point out so there's no need for me to say anithing more about that (even if using the trailer for a movie trilogy done by two popular studios to say that the fights in a TV OVA done by a single new studio are bad is still stupid no matter what the excuse for it is) What the drama CD did is irrelevant since by that logic the FZ anime is also bad compared to its drama CDs. The drama CD may did a better introduction of the characters but develop them? I would like for @frenze12 to tell me how, in a spoiler tag. IF Mashu and Ritsuka had any noticeable development it should be easy. I was only referring about the introduction of characters, of course. Drama CDs are usually better in some aspects but anime usually don't do anything similar to them, not even using some good ideas from drama CDs into the adaptation (at least as far as I can remember in similar cases). That's a pity for sure, but since is a "standard" things for anime adaptation to differ from drama CDs, it should be considered a little but not that much. The drama CD is translated on youtube so I'm watching it right now. I'll compare it with the game and the OVA then. Of course they are three very different ways to tell the same story so comparisons will never be that decisive in an argument. |
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Fai said: LeloThePGG said: ssjokg said to Fai what I wanted to point out so there's no need for me to say anithing more about that (even if using the trailer for a movie trilogy done by two popular studios to say that the fights in a TV OVA done by a single new studio are bad is still stupid no matter what the excuse for it is) 1. Animation budget =/= directing and choreography. UBW had all the budget and still looked pedestrian and cheap despite the over-polish(which frankly is damn achievement). Less is more. Quality beats quantity. And even then UfoUBW prologue is nearly perfect(barring omitting some important lore and narration) in that it manages to perfectly set up characterization for Rin and Shirou(In fact it is pretty much the only case of characterization those two ever get in the show), while still doing a popcorn fight. 2. Type Moon and Aniplex are absolutely swimming in money from the FGO gambling far more than CC developers both because of popularity and because of FGO containing far more predatory practices than CC. There's no excuse of this being this half-assed. Its not a money problem. Its an effort problem. 3. Aniplex is absolutely humongous in assuming control over productions so they had all the strings in controlling who adapts it and what kind of production staff is in charge of it and how much money is spent on it. It was their choice to assign a "literally-who" studio to the work and being okay with a half assed poorly made work. Then again, that describes how they made FGO too - throw it into a literally nobody level new game dev studio who then does a minimal work required with a half-broken content-empty game while generating ridiculous sums of money off otaku. 1.Funny how everyone and their dog, except delusional hardcore fans praises UBW for the directing and choreography, even if they dislike the writing The rest you said is about the source material,nnot the studio animating it, and no the FSN prologue alone means absolutely nothing. 2.If Aniplex and TM dont want to give money, IF they are the ones solely responsible for that, then it is a money issue,not an effort issue.The ANIMATION stuio does what it can with the money they get, not with the money the rights holders have in their pockets. And even IF Aniplex and TM are the only ones giving them money, you DO realize that FGO ISNT their only project right? Since last October(I should have counted since FGO was released but that would break you even more) Aniplex had 13 shows, including FGO, to deal with and among the other 12 are the HF trilogy, Kizu III, OVAs of Zaregoto, Black Butler movie, SAO movie, Granblue Fantasy animation and Fate /Extra. But of course all of that dont ven matter.Aniplex surely keeps every income they get solely for TM productions. 3.Your regular slander of the game, studio, companies etc. Nothing to say here. >TL;DR You didnt read FGO.Stop talking as if you know. Fate/Extra was pretty bad in the beginning too and it didnt really go anyhwhere either. It is. But I am curious to see what is all that "development" you keep talking about. |
ssjokgJan 7, 2017 4:29 AM
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