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| Since Gruffin and Denja didn't get killed, it makes me wonder if one of them is scum.. or maybe that's what scum want you to think. Hmm. I was sure Gruffin was going to be killed, similar to Nanatsu. Killing me makes sense too though since I was pretty town read and I didn't post as much info to analyze.. I think? I made some posts that could be misleading I'm glad penta finally remembered the game even if it was after I died lol |
Kit said: Since Gruffin and Denja didn't get killed, it makes me wonder if one of them is scum.. or maybe that's what scum want you to think. Hmm. I was sure Gruffin was going to be killed, similar to Nanatsu. Killing me makes sense too though since I was pretty town read and I didn't post as much info to analyze.. I think? I made some posts that could be misleading I'm glad penta finally remembered the game even if it was after I died lol Out of interest who do you think the scum are and how many. I love interacting with the dead and especially since this game lacks info. It makes it more fun. |
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| Jesus I just woke up and there's like 3 pages while I was asleep and town is a mess right now lmao. Everyone wants to wait til just before phase change to talk. I guess either shad or phraze is joining us soon. Hopefully not another no-lynch |
Jackrito said: It's so hard to say because so many inactives. I know Logic and Denja are town at least because of their flavor claims (and Shad I guess). I wouldn't be surprised if Gruffin was scum again since on Day 1 she followed my lead with both Karote and Togs. Then I'd say Kota is scum as well. After that, hmm.. callmeluna.. and phraze? I haven't caught up the last several pages so idk why the vote shifted off phraze todayKit said: Since Gruffin and Denja didn't get killed, it makes me wonder if one of them is scum.. or maybe that's what scum want you to think. Hmm. I was sure Gruffin was going to be killed, similar to Nanatsu. Killing me makes sense too though since I was pretty town read and I didn't post as much info to analyze.. I think? I made some posts that could be misleading I'm glad penta finally remembered the game even if it was after I died lol Out of interest who do you think the scum are and how many. I love interacting with the dead and especially since this game lacks info. It makes it more fun. |
| "Just so you know, you are the player I trust the least in this game. Just keep that in mind." I wonder why penta says that when logic hinted his role pm.. bluffing so maf don't kill him or penta is maf and didn't realize he's confirmed... looks like phraze is joining us, I have to leave like right now so I'll welcome early, Welcome phraze! |
| Hi Phraze :3 welcome to paradizo~ I wonder if you are town or mafia :b So many pages since the last time I've had time to catch up.. I'm on the beginning of 19 and there's already 25 pages. Maybe a good thing I died XD Well, I'm getting a little lazy about mafia recently so that's why I purposely acted in a way that would get me killed fufu... (of course if I hadn't died I would be putting all my effort into it, I need to make up for Tis the Season) I hope they use search party tonight so we can finally know the ratio.. I wonder who will be night killed tonight.. Probably Logic? >_< maybe if enough people act like they suspect him for this fight, maf won't kill him. Gruffin, if she's town... and maybe Denja for his plans. Maybe one of the replaces/initially inactive but now here people (togs, penta, lucian). Strategically, it would make sense to kill an initially inactive player (less info) that is really good at scumhunting (less danger later when they're more active) I'll have to catch up later, maybe I'll post again when I have |
Finishd reading Day 2 getting pretty tired may not finish N2 before D3 starts  ...this post was so fun to read. sads i won't get to play with lucian. so pointless to town read me tho when i am the only confirmed town in the game. i feel like being universally town read in every game is becoming my trademark. it must be my charming personality hmm i hope i'm not reading too much into this but it bothers me that both lucian and penta don't seem to understand what denja is doing. actually gruffin may be confirm town by flavor just from her reactions to logic, denja, and shad so i shouldn't doubt her anymore i guess. this flavor claim exploit all means nothing tho if scum got the same role pm message as town did. lucian and penta could both be playing dumb but.. idk they don't seem like the kind to do that. tho i never played with them. hmm... maybe lucian/penta/phraze/(callmeluna, sodalicious, or rinto)? that seems possible. i still don't actually know if phraze is town or scum, penta seems prepared to defend her so we don't "waste" our search party shot so many ppl against using the search party, i dont get it... gg scum preventing us from getting info? maybe im just wrong? with all the uncertainty about using it, and how many inactives there are, we could go the whole game without using it : / perhaps it was too early for me to decide we should use it quickly though, if we can reasonably conclude a lynchee's alignment thru analysis "I feel bad for Kit watching this from the afterlife must be painstaking." well it's a relief i don't have to think so hard about everything and stay up to date constantly, actually. it is pretty awful to watch half of the players be totally absent for most of D2 tho. Even a rep is inactive jeez 2:30AM maybe i should sleep instead of read N2.. maybe i'll read it anyway tho~ mafia addiction...... Edit: oh yeah i remember skimming this earlier N2 starts off with a pointless fight between logic and penta. well im just going to sleep then not interested in reading a fight right now |
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Kit said: Finishd reading Day 2 getting pretty tired may not finish N2 before D3 starts ...this post was so fun to read. sads i won't get to play with lucian. so pointless to town read me tho when i am the only confirmed town in the game. i feel like being universally town read in every game is becoming my trademark. it must be my charming personality hmm i hope i'm not reading too much into this but it bothers me that both lucian and penta don't seem to understand what denja is doing. actually gruffin may be confirm town by flavor just from her reactions to logic, denja, and shad so i shouldn't doubt her anymore i guess. this flavor claim exploit all means nothing tho if scum got the same role pm message as town did. lucian and penta could both be playing dumb but.. idk they don't seem like the kind to do that. tho i never played with them. hmm... maybe lucian/penta/phraze/(callmeluna, sodalicious, or rinto)? that seems possible. i still don't actually know if phraze is town or scum, penta seems prepared to defend her so we don't "waste" our search party shot so many ppl against using the search party, i dont get it... gg scum preventing us from getting info? maybe im just wrong? with all the uncertainty about using it, and how many inactives there are, we could go the whole game without using it : / perhaps it was too early for me to decide we should use it quickly though, if we can reasonably conclude a lynchee's alignment thru analysis "I feel bad for Kit watching this from the afterlife must be painstaking." well it's a relief i don't have to think so hard about everything and stay up to date constantly, actually. it is pretty awful to watch half of the players be totally absent for most of D2 tho. Even a rep is inactive jeez 2:30AM maybe i should sleep instead of read N2.. maybe i'll read it anyway tho~ mafia addiction...... Edit: oh yeah i remember skimming this earlier N2 starts off with a pointless fight between logic and penta. well im just going to sleep then not interested in reading a fight right now My personal view on search party would of been to use it night one, since now if a scum is lynched town wont be able to tell, and so won't be able to use any possible connections that cpuld be found. |
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| @Kit i feel like being universally town read in every game is becoming my trademark. it must be my charming personality haha what happens when u become scum I wonderand I agree with u. good thing I was lynched. hard to keep up xD my opinion on the search: should've been used N1 with the no lynch, helps us determine scum numbers and we can use it again on N2, after making a good lynch. final shot should've been used after another 2 lynches. I prob shouldn't have let Gruf know his plan ehe if N1 search wasn't done, we could've salvaged the situation by lynching town, followed by a search for concrete scum numbers. work via association and we find the team. I tried to warn Denja through cryptic methods(his fav one) that his plan will cause town to lose.. his idea made everyone go cryptic that it overrode our reliable form of analysis for this setup - behavior. |
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| NOOOOOO just when I was starting to actually pressure someone too. ;-; Shot down in my prime... Saw this coming anyway, though. Which is why I wasn't scared to pressure KOtA during Night Phase. Kit said: I had this thought in the back of my mind too. If Denja's actually scum I call shenanigans.hmm i hope i'm not reading too much into this but it bothers me that both lucian and penta don't seem to understand what denja is doing. actually gruffin may be confirm town by flavor just from her reactions to logic, denja, and shad so i shouldn't doubt her anymore i guess. this flavor claim exploit all means nothing tho if scum got the same role pm message as town did. If I would have to choose one regret this game, I would say being too lenient on the lurkers. >.> I'm so annoyed with them right now. |
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| Also, while the proposal for the mafia to kill off inactive for us sounds good in theory, it was obviously not going to happen. xD They would be killing off their cover and keeping threats alive. |
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| Riiip Gruffin can't say I'm too surprised. I was thinking, if Gruffin isn't killed early in a game that might as well be her scum tell XD Welcome to dead chat~ So scum aren't working with us to weed out inactives like Denja hoped. Looks like Ruu and Callmeluna were modkilled... wonder what their alignment was. Poor Ruu and her internet problems o_o I know she is normally a rather active player. I feel like soda should have been killed too but maybe that is too many. Jackrito said: That's what I was trying to tell everyone but no one agreed with me, now they've gone two nights without getting the number of scum.. sigh. Now with 3 ambiguous kills, too(phraze, ruu, callmeluna), so the next search won't really help in regards to analysis. My personal view on search party would of been to use it night one, since now if a scum is lynched town wont be able to tell, and so won't be able to use any possible connections that cpuld be found. Phraze said: lol yeah I wonder. I was sort of hoping to be scum this game for the experience, but also scared that I would be scum@Kit i feel like being universally town read in every game is becoming my trademark. it must be my charming personality haha what happens when u become scum I wonderand I agree with u. good thing I was lynched. hard to keep up xD Did you vote to search N1? I can't remember. Seemed like everyone disagreed with me about the search. Good luck, town, with all your purely behavioral analysis and no vote analysis/scum interaction analysis because this is what you guys asked for by not doing search partiesmy opinion on the search: should've been used N1 with the no lynch, helps us determine scum numbers and we can use it again on N2, after making a good lynch. final shot should've been used after another 2 lynches. I prob shouldn't have let Gruf know his plan ehe if N1 search wasn't done, we could've salvaged the situation by lynching town, followed by a search for concrete scum numbers. work via association and we find the team. I tried to warn Denja through cryptic methods(his fav one) that his plan will cause town to lose.. his idea made everyone go cryptic that it overrode our reliable form of analysis for this setup - behavior. Yeah it's getting hard to tell who is scum and not understanding, and who is town playing along. At least with Gruffin and Logic they didn't hide anything but that also put them in danger.Gruffin said: At least you made it to Day 2 this time! I took that N1 bullet for you :bNOOOOOO just when I was starting to actually pressure someone too. ;-; Shot down in my prime... Saw this coming anyway, though. Which is why I wasn't scared to pressure KOtA during Night Phase. Kit said: I had this thought in the back of my mind too. If Denja's actually scum I call shenanigans.hmm i hope i'm not reading too much into this but it bothers me that both lucian and penta don't seem to understand what denja is doing. actually gruffin may be confirm town by flavor just from her reactions to logic, denja, and shad so i shouldn't doubt her anymore i guess. this flavor claim exploit all means nothing tho if scum got the same role pm message as town did. If I would have to choose one regret this game, I would say being too lenient on the lurkers. >.> I'm so annoyed with them right now. Don't mind about the lurkers, there's nothing you can do about that |
| The PM's are very different so that tactic would of worked, not really the way I would like to see a game won though on something like a role PM difference , but I don't really like to see scum coast through a game with inactives either. If town tried to exploit it too much though we would likely give scum a version of town PM which is normal in these game. |
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Kit said: Uh oh. xD Careful with that line of thought. Remember how we kept you alive despite being a universal townread?Riiip Gruffin can't say I'm too surprised. I was thinking, if Gruffin isn't killed early in a game that might as well be her scum tell XD Welcome to dead chat~ On the search party thing, I had no clue what I was doing with that. *-* So ehh, I can't say what would have been best. At least you made it to Day 2 this time! I took that N1 bullet for you :b Lol yeah. Truth be told, that part of D1 where it was just you, Logic, and I discussing was the most fun I had this game. I hope to eventually be part of a game where the whole town's like that. :v As town, that is. Being scum this game would have been sooo much fun. xD Almost wish I were.I kind of doubt scum have the same role pm since it has stuff about us being good citizens and all =v but maybe denja has been bluffing this whole time... did he reference the role pm at all besides calling the germans "rats" and the questionnaire for logic? Yeah, scum having the same role pm and Denja immediately using that to pocket town would be pretty out there.And yes! He did, which I noticed around D1-N1. Look for interesting words/phrases in his early posts and you'll see. Funny story about how I found out... XD I was actually trying to think of a way to provide myself some insurance in case I was ever at risk of being mislynched, and I remembered the role pm. So then I was like "Wait...What if others have been doing that too? I can figure out some townies that way!" I went back through all the fluffy posts, saw Denja's, and was like EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE NOW. Don't mind about the lurkers, there's nothing you can do about that I know...It's what I get for signing up for a game around the busiest time of the year. |
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Jackrito said: ^^ This right here is why I wasn't wanting to overuse it. :T I don't want to win by exploits.The PM's are very different so that tactic would of worked, not really the way I would like to see a game won though on something like a role PM difference , but I don't really like to see scum coast through a game with inactives either. If town tried to exploit it too much though we would likely give scum a version of town PM which is normal in these game. |
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Gruffin said: Jackrito said: ^^ This right here is why I wasn't wanting to overuse it. :T I don't want to win by exploits.The PM's are very different so that tactic would of worked, not really the way I would like to see a game won though on something like a role PM difference , but I don't really like to see scum coast through a game with inactives either. If town tried to exploit it too much though we would likely give scum a version of town PM which is normal in these game. Who do you think are scum out of interest and do you think any of them are dead? |
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| Also the thing Chione said about no information making motivation go down was completely correct with me... Like for the first part of D2, I actually wished I was NK'd instead of Kit. Was was wrong with me?! Figures I die as soon as I want to live. |
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Rinto: Those German spies are wicked, they don't want to help us cleanse the country from inactives... lol@Gruffin hi hi welcome to paradizo~ now I'm curious why u suspect me?? ouo and no claim pls u also can't use fluff excuse on me cuz we're dead :P @Kit lol yeah I wonder. I was sort of hoping to be scum this game for the experience, but also scared that I would be scum yeah I feel u. scum is getting the upperhand here >.> |
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Jackrito said: Oh man...I'm still pretty confused r/n. Doesn't help that it's hard to confirm scum this game.Who do you think are scum out of interest and do you think any of them are dead? Not sure if scum would be modkilled first, but I don't want to host-read (is that a thing?) so...I would say of the dead, Phraze and maaaybe Ruu are most likely to be scum, Ruu could have just had an off game because of her internet. :T But her behaviour was still pretty odd. KOtA/Karote are both playing to survive, so possible scum there. (Would you believe me if I said that case on KOtA was half-intimidation? :P I wasn't actually convinced yet and could have easily done the same to Karote.) Togs keeps doing this weird meta defense of KOtA? If KOtA were scum, I'd look at Togs next. Penta's fight with Logic pings me as a distraction. The question is whether that was deliberate or not. Lucian...Eh. I was actually giving him a tentative townlean over the effort in his catchup post, but I dunno. Rinto is a mystery. -_- Logic, Shad, Denja are confirmed town, so no on them. Chione's been pretty townie so far, only odd thing was Phraze didn't interact with her much. But Phraze isn't confirmed scum, so ??? |
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| @Gruffin Uh oh. xD Careful with that line of thought. Remember how we kept you alive despite being a universal townread? Hehe, just a joke of course~Lol yeah. Truth be told, that part of D1 where it was just you, Logic, and I discussing was the most fun I had this game. I hope to eventually be part of a game where the whole town's like that. :v As town, that is. Being scum this game would have been sooo much fun. xD Almost wish I were. I had fun on Day 1 in general. Bravely pushing the Karote lynch while I secretly planned to switch.. XD I'm still not very good at this game.. So I like to experiment. I would think smaller games that start quickly after signups would be more active but Tis the Season was not active so I guess it's just luck about who signed up and how free they are. I hope we can be scum together some day~ About the role PMs, I realized it could be exploited before the game even started, but I really didn't want to use it as it seemed rather rude to the hosts (actually my idea was giving everyone a number and asking what word in the role pm that number is, counting the words. Denja's idea is more subtle). I figured if anyone wanted to use an exploit like this it would definitely be Denja, based on his no-hard-claims exploit ideas in nanatsu. So I understood pretty quickly what he was doing but decided not to call attention to it. Still used it in my denja and logic reads. Well, hopefully it can at least give them an edge against the inactives. |
Phraze said: I never gave "fluff excuses". :T Everything I said was what I felt at the time.@Gruffin hi hi welcome to paradizo~ now I'm curious why u suspect me?? ouo and no claim pls u also can't use fluff excuse on me cuz we're dead :P It boiled down to: -You were being confusing -I read parts of your posts as defensive ---> Possible scum panic. ...And you not giving a townie post to Denja while Shad did was the final nail in the coffin. It wasn't the best of circumstances, but you happened to be the best lynch on short notice. |
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| @Gruffin what do you think of my scum team in #11 lucian/penta/phraze/(callmeluna, sodalicious, or rinto) I actually had completely forgotten about Karote and Kota at the time of that post (I was tired!) so I would fit Kota in as a possible exchange for either phraze or the inactive scum slot |
Kit said: Sneaky sneaky. xD I'm still experimenting on what works and what doesn't as well. More pressuring would have done this town some good, but I did well with not making assumptions. Still need to find that balance.I had fun on Day 1 in general. Bravely pushing the Karote lynch while I secretly planned to switch.. XD I'm still not very good at this game.. So I like to experiment. I think you did pretty well. ^.^ Karote completely went under my radar until you pointed out his suspicious behaviour. I would think smaller games that start quickly after signups would be more active but Tis the Season was not active so I guess it's just luck about who signed up and how free they are. Yeah, I hope once Christmas season is over that we'll have more lively games.I hope we can be scum together some day~ I'd be happy to be your scumbuddy! Seems like everyone wants me on their team, I'm so popular~ About the role PMs, I realized it could be exploited before the game even started, but I really didn't want to use it as it seemed rather rude to the hosts (actually my idea was giving everyone a number and asking what word in the role pm that number is, counting the words. Denja's idea is more subtle). I figured if anyone wanted to use an exploit like this it would definitely be Denja, based on his no-hard-claims exploit ideas in nanatsu. So I understood pretty quickly what he was doing but decided not to call attention to it. Still used it in my denja and logic reads. Well, hopefully it can at least give them an edge against the inactives. Yeeep. Didn't want to be mean to the hosts by breaking their game. ;-; I remember saying somewhere that overusing this is like the follow the cop strategy but different, which is bleh. Massclaims defeat the purpose of behavioural analysis, after all. |
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Kit said: Mnh...I don't know quite yet. It's hard to tie together a scumteam without a proper scum flip, at least for me.@Gruffin what do you think of my scum team in #11 lucian/penta/phraze/(callmeluna, sodalicious, or rinto) I actually had completely forgotten about Karote and Kota at the time of that post (I was tired!) so I would fit Kota in as a possible exchange for either phraze or the inactive scum slot I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case though. What do you think of my suspicions in #23? |
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Gruffin said: Phraze said: I never gave "fluff excuses". :T Everything I said was what I felt at the time.@Gruffin hi hi welcome to paradizo~ now I'm curious why u suspect me?? ouo and no claim pls u also can't use fluff excuse on me cuz we're dead :P It boiled down to: -You were being confusing -I read parts of your posts as defensive ---> Possible scum panic. ...And you not giving a townie post to Denja while Shad did was the final nail in the coffin. It wasn't the best of circumstances, but you happened to be the best lynch on short notice. remember my fishing plan in Tis the Season? confusing. u need to figure what I was aiming for in that confusion. tho u might not be able to tbh...my brain is like an algebra calculator lol and never gonna tell those theories no more cuz I die from it ._. panic hmm... I did make my posts defensive on purpose. the context of the sentences was what I wanted ppl to notice. before I outright said Denja's plan was bad, I was hinting it everywhere. his suggestion led to mass confusion and trolling, which led up to bad results for behavioral analysis, and that was what I foresaw when he first announced it. thank my inner calculator haha knew what Denja wanted in the questions. tho tbh.....I never actually read through my pm(or remembered it) xD I purposely dropped vague/soft hints to my alignment too, in case anyone was actually reading. don't understand why it all boiled down to flavor claiming, and so early on >.> flavor text are just meant to give style to the game imo. only role/ability is worth claiming, and still I prefer to save it for counterclaims. |
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| (1268) Denja: Gruff, Logic, and I are scum and we framed Phraze for an easy mislynch. Then we decided to kill our own scumbuddy (Gruffin) so we won't look suspicious. It is all going according to plan. |
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| Ohoho, look at KOtA making posts. Dang, I want to pressure him. ;-; Why have you denied me the joy of doing so, mafia? |
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| Logic: Phraze is always tough to read but I didn't get the town vibe that I usually due. This may be attributed to irl (which she said was having a bit of an affect), the lack of activity limiting her style, or drawing scum for the first time. The way she accepted her death is very different from the time I mislynched her (but this doesn't really tell me anything). I will say she went down without much of a fight which was very unexpected for Phraze. .............. >.>1. no town vibe as I was manipulating it for u guys xD 2. irl won't affect me, I'll adapt my playstyle to suit it. same for game state/players/progress. 3. accepting my death is part of strategy~ 4. hinting u guys to not lynch me if u are town >w> |
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Gruffin said: pressure me~ :3Ohoho, look at KOtA making posts. Dang, I want to pressure him. ;-; Why have you denied me the joy of doing so, mafia? Ruu will join us soon hahaha. we can continue where we left off in paradizo xD |
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Gruffin said: well...Kit said: Mnh...I don't know quite yet. It's hard to tie together a scumteam without a proper scum flip, at least for me.@Gruffin what do you think of my scum team in #11 I actually had completely forgotten about Karote and Kota at the time of that post (I was tired!) so I would fit Kota in as a possible exchange for either phraze or the inactive scum slot I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case though. What do you think of my suspicions in #23? Not sure if scum would be modkilled first, but I don't want to host-read (is that a thing?) that is a thing jack did in Tis the Season, but jack was scum bussing another scum. Specifically he said alice wouldn't put a spy in her game so he called out shad's fake claim.Not sure what you're host-reading here though since the only modkills were done at the same time, and soda was probably saved for later because they are a rep already so their inactivity period is technically shorter. Though now that I'm thinking of it, I wonder if Ruu and callmeluna were done at the same time purposely to balance out the ratio (so one is scum and one is town) so that the modkill doesn't favor one side. because Ruu wasn't nearly as inactive as callmeluna or soda. KOtA/Karote are both playing to survive, so possible scum there. Karote is playing scummy but I still kind of feel he's town because in the end there wasn't really a push for a counter train to save him and quite a few people hopped on his train after a long period of no one but me really suspecting him. They both were laying so low after that, which is really weird. This game is confusingTogs keeps doing this weird meta defense of KOtA? If KOtA were scum, I'd look at Togs next. I'm thinking Togs really is town since he seems to be genuinely happy to finally be town, and whatever distraction is making him not play so actively seems to also be preventing him from making day 12 on 12 days of christmas thread. Togs defended cross on meta as well and was totally wrong so, could happen again. In fact that is one point i got caught up on in CCLPenta's fight with Logic pings me as a distraction. The question is whether that was deliberate or not. If penta deliberately picked a fight with logic then that seems kind of mean for penta to do so i'd like to believe it was just a personality clash and not indicative of any alignment.Lucian...Eh. I was actually giving him a tentative townlean over the effort in his catchup post, but I dunno. I've seen some people praise lucian so I wouldn't be surprised if the catch up was a fantastic scum effort. some of his comments in the catch up seemed odd to me, which i pointed out - the logic thing, townreading me. He also makes a point of discussing shinichi's behavior and for some reason that always seems scummy to me, even though I know astros did it for grave in nanatsu and was town.Rinto is a mystery. -_- truth. togs's rinto iso WHERE??Logic, Shad, Denja are confirmed town, so no on them. barring shenanigans, yesChione's been pretty townie so far, only odd thing was Phraze didn't interact with her much. But Phraze isn't confirmed scum, so ??? I think chione is town |
KitDec 21, 2016 2:22 PM
| I'm taking a break from analysis right now (kinda burnt out) so I'll discuss more later. :P Fluffposting time. The night before all was silent, except for the muffled acts of the assailant. A helpful comrade who was most reliant, was made cheese for being most defiant. To awake in a state only violent, they were stabbed by a lone facist tyrant. They had known to much to keep silent, and tried to rally the village into alignment. I am most pleased with your latest reports. You do the Motherland a great service, never forget that. Comrade Gruffin understood that. She paid the ultimate price for her love of her country. For that we are all in her debt. She was a great soviet, and will be forever remembered alongside her brethren and sisters. Show courage as she did! Do not show fear to the enemy! That is what they want. Do not give it to them. They are the ones that should fear the might of the Soviet Union! Make them regret this day! (I like the little tidbits of advice in these write-ups.) Phraze said: How am I supposed to pressure you if we're dead? :V No votes, no lynch, no threat of losing.pressure me~ :3 Ruu will join us soon hahaha. we can continue where we left off in paradizo xD |
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Gruffin said: ehhh I think u should know by now that votes and lynches don't affect me right? and if u think I was panicking, it was hysteria >w>Phraze said: How am I supposed to pressure you if we're dead? :V No votes, no lynch, no threat of losing.pressure me~ :3 Ruu will join us soon hahaha. we can continue where we left off in paradizo xD I did leave at least 3 definite hints to my alignment. would be nice to see if u can find them :3 [most are in context, but some are in association over few posts] ..think I mentioned somewhere that I prefer cracking the code rather than making the code..... should keep u entertained xD |
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| I just want to point out that modkills have nothing to do with factions, and will not be done to make balance, it is the hosts job to not be biased and treat everyone equally. They is a lot of stuff I want to say on some people's play styles but that would spoil the fun since I know who is bad and have meta reads on some people in this so know what they do as scum,and town. which takes away a lot of the fun of dead chat sadly. |
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Jackrito said: Ah okay, thanks for telling us. Though what would you do if an entire scumteam were no-shows? I'm curious.I just want to point out that modkills have nothing to do with factions, and will not be done to make balance, it is the hosts job to not be biased and treat everyone equally. They is a lot of stuff I want to say on some people's play styles but that would spoil the fun since I know who is bad and have meta reads on some people in this so know what they do as scum,and town. which takes away a lot of the fun of dead chat sadly. This goes right back to our discussion in Nanatsu's Dead Club about being forced to use meta from all the inactivity. And I'm new so I don't have the advantage of using this meta...Blehhh.Welp. Excuse me as I go skim through everyone's previous town/scum games. >-> Maybe I can get some meta reads to figure this out better. |
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Gruffin said: Jackrito said: Ah okay, thanks for telling us. Though what would you do if an entire scumteam were no-shows? I'm curious.I just want to point out that modkills have nothing to do with factions, and will not be done to make balance, it is the hosts job to not be biased and treat everyone equally. They is a lot of stuff I want to say on some people's play styles but that would spoil the fun since I know who is bad and have meta reads on some people in this so know what they do as scum,and town. which takes away a lot of the fun of dead chat sadly. This goes right back to our discussion in Nanatsu's Dead Club about being forced to use meta from all the inactivity. And I'm new so I don't have the advantage of using this meta...Blehhh.Welp. Excuse me as I go skim through everyone's previous town/scum games. >-> Maybe I can get some meta reads to figure this out better. Have to modkill them the host may try to find a replacement for them more because scum are needed but that shuld not be at the expense of a town who has been gone longer. Some hosts will bend this a bit but the final thing is they would be modkilled or replaced like anyone else. Meta is not something I like to use too much, but with certain people espically some in this game it works well. Meta can lead to biased views though and can be controlled of the person is aware of self metaa. So it should be used as more of a added value to a case not a whole case. |
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Kit said: By host-reading I mean debating on what the hosts would do and basing reads of players off of that. Something tells me that doing that would be a bad idea. Ruu said something about replacing out though, do you think she may have requested a modkill if she couldn't be replaced? May be some town pointers for her because there's a lot of guilt that comes with "letting down a team" by dying.that is a thing jack did in Tis the Season, but jack was scum bussing another scum. Specifically he said alice wouldn't put a spy in her game so he called out shad's fake claim. Not sure what you're host-reading here though since the only modkills were done at the same time, and soda was probably saved for later because they are a rep already so their inactivity period is technically shorter. Though now that I'm thinking of it, I wonder if Ruu and callmeluna were done at the same time purposely to balance out the ratio (so one is scum and one is town) so that the modkill doesn't favor one side. because Ruu wasn't nearly as inactive as callmeluna or soda. Karote is playing scummy but I still kind of feel he's town because in the end there wasn't really a push for a counter train to save him and quite a few people hopped on his train after a long period of no one but me really suspecting him. They both were laying so low after that, which is really weird. This game is confusing I don't think this game was built for a bunch of anti-town players. T-T I'm still trying to work these two out, may need to go back and read some of Karote's previous games. I get back to this at some point.I'm thinking Togs really is town since he seems to be genuinely happy to finally be town, and whatever distraction is making him not play so actively seems to also be preventing him from making day 12 on 12 days of christmas thread. Togs defended cross on meta as well and was totally wrong so, could happen again. In fact that is one point i got caught up on in CCL The thing about him being distracted may be true, yeah and it was something I considered for a while. Don't know why I ignored that after a couple days. Could you explain how you think he seems genuine?Oh! And I actually reread Shokugeki no Souma (the game Togs showed in his meta defense of KOtA) and KOtA's playstyle is the same as here, and I think Togs' is as well. o_o KOtA and Togs both didn't live past N1 in that game, so give it a quick look through if you'd like. I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. If penta deliberately picked a fight with logic then that seems kind of mean for penta to do so i'd like to believe it was just a personality clash and not indicative of any alignment. Yeah I don't want to read too far into it for morality reasons and I do stand by what I said in the post I made to reconcile it, but it did derail the thread for a short while. It's about all I can think of to comment about Penta on. We'll see what he does, I guess.I've seen some people praise lucian so I wouldn't be surprised if the catch up was a fantastic scum effort. some of his comments in the catch up seemed odd to me, which i pointed out - the logic thing, townreading me. He also makes a point of discussing shinichi's behavior and for some reason that always seems scummy to me, even though I know astros did it for grave in nanatsu and was town. It's like easy town points. I can't really put my finger on it, but it's like there's something missing from his comments. Like he skipped over some stuff? Don't know, yet another thing to revisit. >.< (Though I must admit, reading his commentary was entertaining. xD)truth. togs's rinto iso WHERE??  barring shenanigans, yes Jack said that the role pms were really different, so yay! No shenanigans!I think chione is town Same. Can't really suspect someone based off of that. |
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| (numbered for less quote stripes) @Gruffin 1. Ruu said something about replacing out though, do you think she may have requested a modkill if she couldn't be replaced? May be some town pointers for her because there's a lot of guilt that comes with "letting down a team" by dying. 1. Maybe that would explain why she was modkilled despite being slightly more active than others.. I remember seeing an announcement in discord looking for reps and no one has repped since then afaik. The guilt thing can happen for both town and scum teams I think, though I guess I've personally never seen scum use it2. Don't know why I ignored that after a couple days. 3.Could you explain how you think he seems genuine? 4.Oh! And I actually reread Shokugeki no Souma (the game Togs showed in his meta defense of KOtA) and KOtA's playstyle is the same as here, and I think Togs' is as well. o_o KOtA and Togs both didn't live past N1 in that game, so give it a quick look through if you'd like. I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. 5. (Penta)Yeah I don't want to read too far into it for morality reasons and I do stand by what I said in the post I made to reconcile it, but it did derail the thread for a short while. It's about all I can think of to comment about Penta on. We'll see what he does, I guess. (Lucian)It's like easy town points. I can't really put my finger on it, but it's like there's something missing from his comments. Like he skipped over some stuff? Don't know, yet another thing to revisit. >.< (Though I must admit, reading his commentary was entertaining. xD) 2. Tunneling? Just curious but did you suspect him at all before I mentioned it? 3. Here: "I emphasized the fact that I’m town because, dam you have no idea how badly I wanted to be town this game. The Sketch game and Higurashi weigh heavily on my heart and I just don’t want to deal with that again." He could be making it up but it got me to think he's genuine... 4. I read mafia pretty slowly sooo maybe I will check it out laterrr.... (I'm still really behind in The Great Terror actually) 5. Well both of them sort of defended phraze/were on the shad train (despite the flavor claim), both of them don't understand denja's plan (or are faking not understanding it), and both posted catch ups but didn't fully explain reads or post a lot of analysis |
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Kit said: Hrm, I wouldn't call it tunneling so much as dismissing a possible explanation. I never really had the chance to go after him.2. Tunneling? Just curious but did you suspect him at all before I mentioned it? I think he was a neutral for me when you said you suspected him? Then he posted a couple more walls and I changed my read. Here's where we gave our reasons: (419 and 473) Part of my suspicion was also his reaction to Denja. 5. Well both of them sort of defended phraze/were on the shad train (despite the flavor claim), both of them don't understand denja's plan (or are faking not understanding it), and both posted catch ups but didn't fully explain reads or post a lot of analysis This (bold), definitely the reason I can't find much on them. I thought it was because they hadn't caught up completely yet.If they didn't understand Denja's plan, I don't think they would have understood Shad's flavor claim either especially under all that chaos. Side Note: I know the phrase he used was in our role pms (Workers! United! Shall never be defeated!), but I can remember seeing them in phase change posts as well. Don't think he would know to say that if he didn't know it was in the role pms though. Just something I noticed after the fact. |
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Kit said: He mentioned something about building a late case for Rinto near lynch time D2 because he didn't like any of the trains. And that's about it.If Togs isn't gonna deliver or mention the Rinto iso I'm going to have to have to start suspecting him just based on that because it's the same thing Gruffin did in CCL with Tomi (and unfulfilled promises is something in general scum seem to do) I hope he's mentioned it and I just haven't seen it since I'm not caught up. |
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Gruffin said: You think they could be town that didn't get the hint? That seems so unlikely.. but maybe they did not read the flavor in their role PMs.........If they didn't understand Denja's plan, I don't think they would have understood Shad's flavor claim either especially under all that chaos. Side Note: I know the phrase he used was in our role pms (Workers! United! Shall never be defeated!), but I can remember seeing them in phase change posts as well. Don't think he would know to say that if he didn't know it was in the role pms though. Just something I noticed after the fact. The only one that had that phrase in it up til then, I think, was my death post, and it had an abridged version without the "workers" part in it, so I think shad's claim might be legit? Gruffin said: Yeah I noticed that bit. And then he voted phraze instead of expanding on rinto, because reasonsHe mentioned something about building a late case for Rinto near lynch time D2 because he didn't like any of the trains. And that's about it. edit: fixing quote box |
KitDec 21, 2016 9:58 PM
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