| Do you guys think that makes sense? For what I know, they usually use the argument of being "pro-life", but isn't that a little ironic since they are pro the capital punishment or killing someone? Discuss V |
| Today they say you're crazy, tomorrow they will say you're a genious. |
| Ah, yes, another abortion related thread, just what we needed. BRB getting some julmust OT: because most of them are bible thumping goodness wankers/neo Romanian communists |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: It's more of "reflection" thread.Ah, yes, another abortion related thread, just what we needed. BRB getting some julmust OT: because most of them are bible thumping goodness wankers/neo Romanian communists Still a little "parody" of this one https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1544980 |
| Today they say you're crazy, tomorrow they will say you're a genious. |
| Yeah because clearly they're the same thing... Comparing the life of a fetus to that of a criminal makes zero sense unless the sole argument of the person is that they want all lives to exist. And I'm sure thats not everyones argument... |
| I've been here way too long... |
| It's not really ironic from their point of view. People that are for capital punishment believe that the convincted deserve it for their actions. Something unborn, on the other hand, has never performed any actions that they deserve to be punished for. |
| An "unborn" on the first stages doesn't have consciousness, having a child like that would be more problems for the society and economy |
| Today they say you're crazy, tomorrow they will say you're a genious. |
| Not saying all are like this but I have seen many that just want to do it as a punishment for the girl's sexual behaviour. I would say the greater contradiction is pro-life and right wing economics. It basically says once a life is born it's on it's own. No healthcare, no welfare, no state supported programs for children, nothing. |
Frag- said: That thread was pure cancerComic_Sans said: It's more of "reflection" thread.Ah, yes, another abortion related thread, just what we needed. BRB getting some julmust OT: because most of them are bible thumping goodness wankers/neo Romanian communists Still a little "parody" of this one https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1544980 Please don't remind me of that one |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
traed said: Being right wing and pro life means a life is born on its own? What do you mean?Not saying all are like this but I have seen many that just want to do it as a punishment for the girl's sexual behaviour. I would say the greater contradiction is pro-life and right wing economics. It basically says once a life is born it's on it's own. No healthcare, no welfare, no state supported programs for children, nothing. |
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Frag- said: Do you guys think that makes sense? For what I know, they usually use the argument of being "pro-life", but isn't that a little ironic since they are pro the capital punishment or killing someone? Discuss V Pro-life is the opposition to elective abortion being legal, not the opposition to all killings. Just like pro-choice is the support for legalized elective abortion being legal, not the support for all choices. Most pro-lifers will also point out that the person on death is guilty while baby in the womb is not guilty,so it is not hypocritical to support the death penalty while opposing elective abortion. |
Comic_Sans said: Ah, yes, another abortion related thread, just what we needed. BRB getting some julmust OT: because most of them are bible thumping goodness wankers/neo Romanian communists Because abortion is a serious topic that we must discuss thumps bible TheConquerer said: Yeah because clearly they're the same thing... Comparing the life of a fetus to that of a criminal makes zero sense unless the sole argument of the person is that they want all lives to exist. And I'm sure thats not everyones argument... Of course they're the same thing, it's murder either way. That's why we need to legalise abortion. |
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Frag- said: An "unborn" on the first stages doesn't have consciousness, having a child like that would be more problems for the society and economy That's inconsequential in relation to this topic. Whether that "unborn" grows up to become Josef Mengele or Mother Theresa is irrelevant, because it would be highly arbitary to judge the fetus on its potential actions in life, and it's not a certainty that it will cause problems for the society and economy, lol. Even if it did, it doesn't suggest that conservatives' views on abortion and capital punishment are inconsistent and ironic either. |
ezikialrage said: Being pro-life means being pro-life, being for death penalty is controverted. That's why we have some "coherent" pro-life christian, that are against both abortion and death penalty, kinda makes more sense.Frag- said: Do you guys think that makes sense? For what I know, they usually use the argument of being "pro-life", but isn't that a little ironic since they are pro the capital punishment or killing someone? Discuss V Pro-life is the opposition to elective abortion being legal, not the opposition to all killings. Just like pro-choice is the support for legalized elective abortion being legal, not the support for all choices. Most pro-lifers will also point out that the person on death is guilty while baby in the womb is not guilty,so it is not hypocritical to support the death penalty while opposing elective abortion. |
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Moog said: That would be suffering for the parents and for the child per se. If you send it to an orphanage it would absorb more and more of your taxes.Frag- said: An "unborn" on the first stages doesn't have consciousness, having a child like that would be more problems for the society and economy That's inconsequential in relation to this topic. Whether that "unborn" grows up to become Josef Mengele or Mother Theresa is irrelevant, because it would be highly arbitary to judge the fetus on its potential actions in life, and it's not a certainty that it will cause problems for the society and economy, lol. Even if it did, it doesn't suggest that conservatives' views on abortion and capital punishment are inconsistent and ironic either. Also, people who are against abortion and pro death penalty are usually the traditional ones, simple. |
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Frag- said: ezikialrage said: Being pro-life means being pro-life, being for death penalty is controverted. That's why we have some "coherent" pro-life christian, that are against both abortion and death penalty, kinda makes more sense.Pro-life is the opposition to elective abortion being legal, not the opposition to all killings. Just like pro-choice is the support for legalized elective abortion being legal, not the support for all choices. Most pro-lifers will also point out that the person on death is guilty while baby in the womb is not guilty,so it is not hypocritical to support the death penalty while opposing elective abortion. The term pro-life has nothing to do with the opposition to the death penalty just like the term pro-choice has nothing to do with the support for all choices. Notice that there is nothing in the definition of pro-life about the death penalty http://www.dictionary.com/browse/pro-life?s=t 1. opposed to legalized abortion; right-to-life. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/right-to-life 1. pertaining to or advocating laws making abortion, especially abortion-on-demand, illegal; antiabortion: |
| To put it simply - conservatism is a political ideology that promotes/follows tradition. Traditionally abortion has been illegal, while the death penalty has seen quite a bit of use. As for why a person supports these individually is a far more complex discussion. |
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ezikialrage said: I'm talking about people who say that every human has the right to live, which means eitheir being against abortion and death penalty.Frag- said: Being pro-life means being pro-life, being for death penalty is controverted. That's why we have some "coherent" pro-life christian, that are against both abortion and death penalty, kinda makes more sense. The term pro-life has nothing to do with the opposition to the death penalty just like the term pro-choice has nothing to do with the support for all choices. Notice that there is nothing in the definition of pro-life about the death penalty http://www.dictionary.com/browse/pro-life?s=t 1. opposed to legalized abortion; right-to-life. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/right-to-life 1. pertaining to or advocating laws making abortion, especially abortion-on-demand, illegal; antiabortion: So yeah, "right of life" may be more appropiated but you got it. |
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notraven said: That's why I said "some". To put it simply - conservatism is a political ideology that promotes/follows tradition. Traditionally abortion has been illegal, while the death penalty has seen quite a bit of use. As for why a person supports these individually is a far more complex discussion. The thought of "against abortion and pro death penalty" is more common towards traditionals. The thought of "pro abortion and against death penalty"' is more common towards progressists. |
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Frag- said: traed said: Being right wing and pro life means a life is born on its own? What do you mean?Not saying all are like this but I have seen many that just want to do it as a punishment for the girl's sexual behaviour. I would say the greater contradiction is pro-life and right wing economics. It basically says once a life is born it's on it's own. No healthcare, no welfare, no state supported programs for children, nothing. If it is born to a poor family it's fucked. If it grows up poor it's fucked. If it winds up in an orphanage it's fucked. |
razor39999 said: Yeah, orphanage = More taxes and possibly suffering for that child.traed said: Yeah, this is a much better question. Most pro-lifers don't really consider the baby after birth (in a socio-economical sense)Not saying all are like this but I have seen many that just want to do it as a punishment for the girl's sexual behaviour. I would say the greater contradiction is pro-life and right wing economics. It basically says once a life is born it's on it's own. No healthcare, no welfare, no state supported programs for children, nothing. Fuck morals, I mean, not that much. |
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traed said: Yeah, you're right. That's why we have a lot of communits thoughts fucking up with the economy with things that were not supposed to fuck up, like an unwanted pregnancy.Frag- said: Being right wing and pro life means a life is born on its own? What do you mean? If it is born to a poor family it's fucked. If it grows up poor it's fucked. If it winds up in an orphanage it's fucked. Not to mention; Orphanage = more taxes. |
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Frag- said: ezikialrage said: I'm talking about people who say that every human has the right to live, which means eitheir being against abortion and death penalty.The term pro-life has nothing to do with the opposition to the death penalty just like the term pro-choice has nothing to do with the support for all choices. Notice that there is nothing in the definition of pro-life about the death penalty http://www.dictionary.com/browse/pro-life?s=t 1. opposed to legalized abortion; right-to-life. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/right-to-life 1. pertaining to or advocating laws making abortion, especially abortion-on-demand, illegal; antiabortion: So yeah, "right of life" may be more appropiated but you got it. People who say every human has a right to live probably mean every innocent human has a right to live. |
OneTrueEmiya said: TheConquerer said: Yeah because clearly they're the same thing... Comparing the life of a fetus to that of a criminal makes zero sense unless the sole argument of the person is that they want all lives to exist. And I'm sure thats not everyones argument... Of course they're the same thing, it's murder either way. That's why we need to legalise abortion. Have you ever considered that some people think its ok to murder a fetus and not a criminal or vice versa? And thats even supposing they view the fetus as living |
| I've been here way too long... |
| I don't have alot of insight into the relationship between the two. I only question the idea that some portion of conservatives may believe our system is broken but don't question that: if the system is broken, that applies to criminal justice--and if that is flawed, why would anyone trust that everyone convicted is actually guilty of what they're guilty of? So we may or may not accidentally incarcerate and possibly execute an innocent person. I've even heard some people say that those people just fall through the cracks as if that means having those cracks are ok, and are supposed to be there. The best I got though is people might believe in a "just-world"--atleast that is a theory that may help lead someone else to an answer. |
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ezikialrage said: Yes, and it doesn't mean a fetus has consciousness or something.Frag- said: I'm talking about people who say that every human has the right to live, which means eitheir being against abortion and death penalty. So yeah, "right of life" may be more appropiated but you got it. People who say every human has a right to live probably mean every innocent human has a right to live. |
| Today they say you're crazy, tomorrow they will say you're a genious. |
| because they want people to die just not babies. |
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| A large percentage of fertalised eggs don't survive anyway, stop equating everything to murdering a human. What do you want the worlds smallest coffin to bury every egg cell? Brb I'm wanking into a coffin. RIP sperm cells, you'll go onto a better place. |
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
Dick_Dawkins said: I should begin burying my menstrual bloodA large percentage of fertalised eggs don't survive anyway, stop equating everything to murdering a human. What do you want the worlds smallest coffin to bury every egg cell? Brb I'm wanking into a coffin. RIP sperm cells, you'll go onto a better place. RIP unfertilized eggs |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
LoliDONG said: Your post have been cheering MAL recently.because they want people to die just not babies. ty |
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Comic_Sans said: Well, have listened that removing eggs could stop menstruation but giving some problems, like reducing the immunological system.Dick_Dawkins said: I should begin burying my menstrual bloodA large percentage of fertalised eggs don't survive anyway, stop equating everything to murdering a human. What do you want the worlds smallest coffin to bury every egg cell? Brb I'm wanking into a coffin. RIP sperm cells, you'll go onto a better place. RIP unfertilized eggs |
| Today they say you're crazy, tomorrow they will say you're a genious. |
Comic_Sans said: Graverobbers will be so dissapointed in you.Dick_Dawkins said: I should begin burying my menstrual bloodA large percentage of fertalised eggs don't survive anyway, stop equating everything to murdering a human. What do you want the worlds smallest coffin to bury every egg cell? Brb I'm wanking into a coffin. RIP sperm cells, you'll go onto a better place. RIP unfertilized eggs |
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
| I'm not even sure if I want to answer anyone here, I'll just get unwillingly dragged deep into the discussion without escape.. these discussions/fights never looks pretty in the end |
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bodyslam said: Yeah, but some people talk about the thing of the "right of life" as an excuse, why a criminal wouldn't have it like a fetus that doesn't have any consciousness?Criminals facing the death penalty and unborn babies the mother doesn't want are two very different things. |
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bodyslam said: Just this. For generic questions, generic answers. Criminals facing the death penalty and unborn babies the mother doesn't want are two very different things. OP; |
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bodyslam said: By "pro-choice" you mean pro abortion?Frag- said: Yeah, but some people talk about the thing of the "right of life" as an excuse, why a criminal wouldn't have it like a fetus that doesn't have any consciousness? Honestly I'm pro-choice and I think some criminals just deserve to die. Traditional/conservative people might be stupid and hypocritical but they're still two very different things. |
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Lux_Lucis said: Death penalty costs more than prison for life? Seriosly? o.ODeath penalty costs 4 times more than a lifetime of incarceration. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty Raising a kid costs 400x more than aborting it. So yeah. They love wasting money obviously. Especially the poor. They love bigger debts. Bigger number = better number (even if there's a Minus next to it). Yeah, rasing a child is undeniably expensive. Poor people love wasting money? What do you mean exactly? |
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Frag- said: obviously it's generic. As I said, for generic questions, generic answers.Didn't watch everything, but it's more likely generic arguments. Rather if you discuss about one but in a general way, not sending a video of 8 minutes with many arguments. I consider a completely waste of time discuss with a 2000's guy in an anime forum. But if you really want to do, I'll send you some questions and we can begin a discuss about it. Not here. |
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Mokurin said: First; age are just numbers. Frag- said: obviously it's generic. As I said, for generic questions, generic answers.Didn't watch everything, but it's more likely generic arguments. Rather if you discuss about one but in a general way, not sending a video of 8 minutes with many arguments. I consider a completely waste of time discuss with a 2000's guy in an anime forum. But if you really want to do, I'll send you some questions and we can begin a discuss about it. Not here. Second; The question is exactly on the OP. Also, saying that a fetus doesn't have consciousness it fair enough, but not just that of course. |
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Frag- said: - Nope, age definitely isn't just numbers. Mokurin said: First; age are just numbers. obviously it's generic. As I said, for generic questions, generic answers. I consider a completely waste of time discuss with a 2000's guy in an anime forum. But if you really want to do, I'll send you some questions and we can begin a discuss about it. Not here. Second; The question is exactly on the OP. Also, saying that a fetus doesn't have consciousness it fair enough, but not just that of course. - the question on the op is irrelevant in many aspects. Just one between a lot that people change for their own likes for think what they want to think. |
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Mokurin said: - So what else would it be? Maturity ≠ Age.Frag- said: - Nope, age definitely isn't just numbers. First; age are just numbers. Second; The question is exactly on the OP. Also, saying that a fetus doesn't have consciousness it fair enough, but not just that of course. - the question on the op is irrelevant in many aspects. Just one between a lot that people change for their own likes for think what they want to think. - The main topic isn't really that, it's more about "reflection". Also since: The thought of "against abortion and pro death penalty" is more common towards traditionals. The thought of "pro abortion and against death penalty"' is more common towards progressists. |
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Frag- said: Do you guys think that makes sense? For what I know, they usually use the argument of being "pro-life", but isn't that a little ironic since they are pro the capital punishment or killing someone? Discuss V Growing up in a household with this mindset, these are the basic reasons that we are told. Unborn children/Fetuses don't have a choice to sin. At the most, they are a moderate-to-severe inconvenience caused by adults making mistakes and not properly planning for such an event. People on death row for mass murder or rape made the choice to commit a vile sin that has significantly damaged the mental wellbeing, or terminated the life, of others. They have already done damage to society, and should be removed for doing so. While I don't agree with all the extremities of the mindset, the concept seems relatively sound. And then if you want to add the Christian religion into it: Save the lives of Children because we can make Children turn into people that will raise the tally of people that are on God/Jesus' side. Kill the murders before they kill people that haven't made a choice to serve God/Jesus yet. |
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