jolajas said: Most Yuri anime/manga is like this because majority of fans like it this way, at least it seems like it. This genre might be amusing, but it's hard to take it seriously when 95 to 100% of characters are female, and at least 90% of those females are lesbians. I remember seeing highly upvoted comments like "A guy in my yuri???? get him out of here, guys will only ruin everything!!!1!" in certain sites. Yah, my feelings exactly... like I don't want some random male character to simply BE there, I definitely would want him to have some legitimate role, but ultimately a Yuri lesbian relationship that takes place under normal circumstances is ideally what I'm looking for xD It seems to be one of two things... 1. Yuri targeted at males which is filled with fan service and hard to take seriously because the girlxgirl relationships are overly flirtatious and sexy. Usually has some male MC who is involved with a bunch of bisexual girls who like flirting with everything. Or 2. Yuri targeted at females which just removes males from the picture entirely and exists in some weird alternate reality where males don't exist and everyone speaks in riddles like they're a bunch of goddam philosophers. Girls also often love each other in these worlds without saying anything but they will give each other looks or flip each other's hair. Also hard to take seriously because of the entire premise and setting lol. |
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| Hello, friend! I'm a yuri fan like you who loves the kind of yuri seem to. While I would certainly love the kind of yuri anime you describe, the funny thing is, I don't think it's what the fans want. And by fans, I mean the yuri fans themselves. From what I've seen, yuri fans just tend to prefer the all-girls (or nearly all-girls) settings. I think it comes from the idea that if a male character is given too much screentime, the potential for him to "steal" one of the female characters creeps in; not a surprise given the history of the genre. And I think it's unfair to not consider those "legitimate" yuri. Someone mentioned the visual novel Kindred Spirits on the Roof, and while it doesn't have any appearing male characters (some are referenced, but never shown), it is fucking phenomenal and any yuri fan should love it. It definitely doesn't fall under the idea of them getting together because it's their "only option" despite the all-girls school setting as it goes out of its way to make you understand the character's sexuality and examines the worry of how they might be seen by others. Someone else mentioned Cross Ange. Do not. Watch. Cross Ange. The kind of yuri you want isn't plentiful, but it is out there. It's just not in anime. Visual novels, manga, and some games. Last but not least, the term "shoujo-ai" as an alternate for "yuri" needs to die. With all the upgrades MAL has been getting, I really hope they can fix this discrepancy soon. |
Florete said: From what I've seen, yuri fans just tend to prefer the all-girls (or nearly all-girls) settings. I think it comes from the idea that if a male character is given too much screentime, the potential for him to "steal" one of the female characters creeps in; not a surprise given the history of the genre. And I think it's unfair to not consider those "legitimate" yuri. Yeah. The thing is I rarely see same-sex couple end up together in non BL/GL anime. Character in Shin Sekai Yori, Cross Ange, etc etc most of them end up with opposite sex despite they kissed or have "relationship" with same sex member. Second, I tend to agree that yuri representation is better in manga. |
Kevin_Dancho said: It's not romance focused at all, so no.how about Shinsekai Yori? it was semi-yuri for like a few episodes lol |
Darkness_Wolf said: i just want an anime with yuri in a normal setting like in a normal romance anime. Exactly. Take any well-made romance anime like Toradora, Clannad, even something like Your Lie in April... then just make it Yuri. That's exactly what I want ideally. I get that same-sex relationships are still seen and treated differently than hetero relationships, that's just reality, but imo fiction doesn't need to worry about those little details. |
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drgy55 said: Darkness_Wolf said: i just want an anime with yuri in a normal setting like in a normal romance anime. Exactly. Take any well-made romance anime like Toradora, Clannad, even something like Your Lie in April... then just make it Yuri. That's exactly what I want ideally. I get that same-sex relationships are still seen and treated differently than hetero relationships, that's just reality, but imo fiction doesn't need to worry about those little details. Resurrecting the thread cause I'm curious if this season's satisfying your ich or not. |
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TitanAnteus said: drgy55 said: Exactly. Take any well-made romance anime like Toradora, Clannad, even something like Your Lie in April... then just make it Yuri. That's exactly what I want ideally. I get that same-sex relationships are still seen and treated differently than hetero relationships, that's just reality, but imo fiction doesn't need to worry about those little details. Resurrecting the thread cause I'm curious if this season's satisfying your ich or not. Well, at the very least we have some potential with Hibike S2 and we have Keijo, though that's sure to just be silliness and fan service (not necessarily a bad thing). Are there a lot of good-looking Yuri shows this season? I don't keep up well with the new stuff tbh... |
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| This is what I'm waiting for! I'm bi so I don't feel like I always get much representation in popular media. I feel for gay girls since they wouldn't get genuine loving relationship on TV without it being sexualized or one of them getting killed of for dramatic effect. It wouldn't be "yuri" since that's a term that is associated with hentai and porn which only shows lesbian relationships as "fan service" for a male dominated audience. I'm sure there's some cultural influence but it's not like we get many caring and in-depth gay relationships on western tv. But, I'm hopeful that it's only a matter of time. I want a slice-of-life anime we're two women date and there's nothing tragic or gross about it. There's mangas here and there that are like that but nothing that's gotten really popular yet that I can think of. |
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bi-onclerachel said: It wouldn't be "yuri" since that's a term that is associated with hentai and porn which only shows lesbian relationships as "fan service" for a male dominated audience. No. No one who actually cares about the genre does this. Love between girls is all yuri as far as yuri fans are concerned (yes, "yuri" fans). I hope you don't feel like I'm attacking you in any way, this kind of thing just really bugs me and I want it to stop. When I say I'm a yuri fan - and I am - I'm not talking about porn. |
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| I guess my prayers have been answered, because even though everyone seems to be saying the manga was not that great, the to-be-adapted Netsuzou Trap almost perfectly matches what I asked for in my OP... there is a god ;_; |
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| Hey, I know it's been awhile since you started the thread. One of the main reasons is the extreme homophobia, especially towards lesbian relationships, in Japan. There is definitely yuri manga out there, though most of it is super edgy simply because it deals with going against the social "norm". Personally I really want another one similar to Sakura Trick, just the light hearted having a good time feel to it. For manga that feel, really heavy subtext, or just like 1 person who is obviously in love with another girl but never acts on it, is referred to as Shoujo Ai. "Girl love" literally but meaning girl in love with another girl. Most of the industry is focused on many other things, so the entire phobia coupled with it not selling as well as lets say your standard harem, make the chances really really low. But that's not to say it's impossible, never give up hope, and remember, yuri is the purest form of love! |
drgy55 said: I guess my prayers have been answered, because even though everyone seems to be saying the manga was not that great, the to-be-adapted Netsuzou Trap almost perfectly matches what I asked for in my OP... there is a god ;_; I actually really like that one, I'm really happy to hear it's being adapted. Personally I would have prefered Citrus be the one out of that time frame. But seeing as it's psuedo-incest "Step sister on step sister in this case" I can kind of understand that. Though NTR is REALLY REALLY lewd, its borderline hentai, wonder how their going to deal with that TBH. |
piner7500 said: drgy55 said: I guess my prayers have been answered, because even though everyone seems to be saying the manga was not that great, the to-be-adapted Netsuzou Trap almost perfectly matches what I asked for in my OP... there is a god ;_; I actually really like that one, I'm really happy to hear it's being adapted. Personally I would have prefered Citrus be the one out of that time frame. But seeing as it's psuedo-incest "Step sister on step sister in this case" I can kind of understand that. Though NTR is REALLY REALLY lewd, its borderline hentai, wonder how their going to deal with that TBH. Hmm thanks for your extra insight in your comment! And well, if you were hoping for Citrus, I guess I have a pleasant surprise for you: https://myanimelist.net/anime/34382/Citrus Is NTR lewd as in boyxgirl as well or just girlxgirl? |
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drgy55 said: piner7500 said: I actually really like that one, I'm really happy to hear it's being adapted. Personally I would have prefered Citrus be the one out of that time frame. But seeing as it's psuedo-incest "Step sister on step sister in this case" I can kind of understand that. Though NTR is REALLY REALLY lewd, its borderline hentai, wonder how their going to deal with that TBH. Hmm thanks for your extra insight in your comment! And well, if you were hoping for Citrus, I guess I have a pleasant surprise for you: https://myanimelist.net/anime/34382/Citrus Is NTR lewd as in boyxgirl as well or just girlxgirl? All you really need to know about how lewd it is, is that there is sex, and quite a bit of it, you never actually see more than the nipples IIRC, so it still falls under ecchi, but just barely. The manga isn't fully scanlated so I'm not sure, there are hints that there might be both but I cant be certain. Also thank you very much for the Citrus link, that makes me really excited that it's getting adapted as well! |
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piner7500 said: For manga that feel, really heavy subtext, or just like 1 person who is obviously in love with another girl but never acts on it, is referred to as Shoujo Ai. "Girl love" literally but meaning girl in love with another girl. "Shoujo ai" should never be used in reference to anything even slightly yuri. It refers to pedophilia (love of young girls, not love between girls) in Japan and actual yuri fans never use the term. Ever. Series that are just very subtext-heavy are queerbait. |
Florete said: Are you telling me all the shounen ai that i read isn't mean to be a love between men?piner7500 said: For manga that feel, really heavy subtext, or just like 1 person who is obviously in love with another girl but never acts on it, is referred to as Shoujo Ai. "Girl love" literally but meaning girl in love with another girl. "Shoujo ai" should never be used in reference to anything even slightly yuri. It refers to pedophilia (love of young girls, not love between girls) in Japan and actual yuri fans never use the term. Ever. Series that are just very subtext-heavy are queerbait. My whole life has been a lie. |
MEoD said: Are you telling me all the shounen ai that i read isn't mean to be a love between men? My whole life has been a lie. I'm not familiar with the yaoi side of things, so I don't know if "shounen ai" bears the same connotation, but I do tend to see "yaoi" used more often. |
Florete said: Oh OkayMEoD said: Are you telling me all the shounen ai that i read isn't mean to be a love between men? My whole life has been a lie. I'm not familiar with the yaoi side of things, so I don't know if "shounen ai" bears the same connotation, but I do tend to see "yaoi" used more often. By the way, Do you have source for Shoujo ai is referred to pedophilia, love of young girls? |
Florete said: piner7500 said: For manga that feel, really heavy subtext, or just like 1 person who is obviously in love with another girl but never acts on it, is referred to as Shoujo Ai. "Girl love" literally but meaning girl in love with another girl. "Shoujo ai" should never be used in reference to anything even slightly yuri. It refers to pedophilia (love of young girls, not love between girls) in Japan and actual yuri fans never use the term. Ever. Series that are just very subtext-heavy are queerbait. So if the actual meaning of Shoujo ai is to refer to pedophilia, how is MAL using it? Netsuzou Trap is definitely not pedophilia and apparently the two girls do actually get into a relationship with each other (albeit they're cheating) and "get it on". As far as MAL is concerned, are the two tags "Yuri" and "Shoujo Ai" interchangeable? I haven't seen enough Shoujo Ai to really be able to tell. |
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lady_freyja said: drgy55 said: So if the actual meaning of Shoujo ai is to refer to pedophilia, how is MAL using it? On MAL, specifically with anime: Yuri=lesbian hentai. Shōjo-ai=lesbian romances plus some other stuffs. On the manga side, it is used differently: Yuri=lesbian romances with sex scenes+hentai Shōjo-ai=platonic lesbian romances plus some other stuffs. But for the manga, it is theoretical: you can see totally platonic stuffs tagged as "yuri" (hello Philosophia) and sexualized ones tagged "shōjo-ai". It is pretty inconsistent. That's what happens when you invent new categories that doesn't exist from an editorial perspective; nobody agree with definitions. Especially with yuri, because the yuri-genre is already ill-defined from the start (that's what I meant with the "plus some other stuffs"), so when you start to add another ill-defined categories to it, it doesn't help at all. I see... ok, that does make sense because now I look Sakura Trick and Simoun are tagged as Shoujo Ai like I would expect from that definition and Citrus is tagged as Yuri. So what I'm really getting out of it is that if I see "Yuri" that implies there's more explicit sexual content and focus on the lesbian relationship and if I see "Shoujo Ai" it is not going to be sexually explicit and there could be other stuff like action focus, boyxgirl, etc. Leave it to the West to complicate something that had already been previously defined... lol. |
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lady_freyja said: drgy55 said: I see... ok, that does make sense because now I look Sakura Trick and Simoun are tagged as Shoujo Ai like I would expect from that definition and Citrus is tagged as Yuri. So what I'm really getting out of it is that if I see "Yuri" that implies there's more explicit sexual content and focus on the lesbian relationship and if I see "Shoujo Ai" it is not going to be sexually explicit and there could be other stuff like action focus, boyxgirl, etc. Leave it to the West to complicate something that had already been previously defined... lol. Ah, for the anime Citrus, it seems that they have replicated the manga's tags. And like I said, on the manga side, they're more prone to put "yuri" a little everywhere. Citrus is no way an hentai, and in the 4 first volumes I read in the past, the girls didn't sleep together. From what I remember, the level of eroticism in Citrus is similar to what you can found in Yuri Kuma Arashi, which is tagged as "shōjo-ai" on MAL. Basically, Citrus is your average smutty shōjo drama, but yuri. ...I can't lie, that makes me slightly disappointed haha. Yuri anime is really sensitive about anything beyond kissing I've noticed. I'm sure it will still be good though, it certainly seems to be a popular manga. I've got the first two volumes on their way tomorrow so I can read it before the anime releases. |
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drgy55 said: Florete said: "Shoujo ai" should never be used in reference to anything even slightly yuri. It refers to pedophilia (love of young girls, not love between girls) in Japan and actual yuri fans never use the term. Ever. Series that are just very subtext-heavy are queerbait. So if the actual meaning of Shoujo ai is to refer to pedophilia, how is MAL using it? Netsuzou Trap is definitely not pedophilia and apparently the two girls do actually get into a relationship with each other (albeit they're cheating) and "get it on". As far as MAL is concerned, are the two tags "Yuri" and "Shoujo Ai" interchangeable? I haven't seen enough Shoujo Ai to really be able to tell. MAL is simply behind the times. About ten years ago or so "shoujo ai" was relatively common as a substitute for yuri, or used as a lighter version of it, and that's where the MAL usage is from. Times have changed, but MAL is still behind on this front. The shoujo ai tag should really just be removed from the database entirely. It has no place anymore. Fans and official outlets all use yuri. |
drgy55 said: By legitimate I mean an anime with an actual girl/girl relationship that is treated seriously and not as either "a phase" or as fan service. I don't count the convenient, all-girls school premise (a la Strawberry Panic) because then it feels too much like they're just together because that's their only option. I'd like to see an anime where the awesome main female character, who has male friends who are also awesome, is simply legitimately in love with another girl for no other reason than that they love each other. Not sure if the anime of Netsuzou TRap will fit your criteria. Yes, the plot begins with the main girl in a genuinely loving relationship with a boy that is portrayed as a very nice guy that cares deeply for his girlfriend. His biggest flaw is that he is a bit too shy, but then again, his girl isn't much better. But as the NTR in the title implies, the manga is about another girl stealing his girlfriend. So, we did get a series about a girl having to choose between a boy and another girl, which nullifies the usual excuse for Yuri series (There's no boys around!) but I don't think most of the users in this discussion wanted it to be in that way. drgy55 said: Is there some cultural reason Yuri doesn't seem to be taken seriously in the anime world? Yes, it's called "Class S relationship". |
JGChaves said: drgy55 said: By legitimate I mean an anime with an actual girl/girl relationship that is treated seriously and not as either "a phase" or as fan service. I don't count the convenient, all-girls school premise (a la Strawberry Panic) because then it feels too much like they're just together because that's their only option. I'd like to see an anime where the awesome main female character, who has male friends who are also awesome, is simply legitimately in love with another girl for no other reason than that they love each other. Not sure if the anime of Netsuzou TRap will fit your criteria. Yes, the plot begins with the main girl in a genuinely loving relationship with a boy that is portrayed as a very nice guy that cares deeply for his girlfriend. His biggest flaw is that he is a bit too shy, but then again, his girl isn't much better. But as the NTR in the title implies, the manga is about another girl stealing his girlfriend. So, we did get a series about a girl having to choose between a boy and another girl, which nullifies the usual excuse for Yuri series (There's no boys around!) but I don't think most of the users in this discussion wanted it to be in that way. drgy55 said: Is there some cultural reason Yuri doesn't seem to be taken seriously in the anime world? Yes, it's called "Class S relationship". Yah, that's why I was saying I thought NTR seemed perfect for me. Because it's basically a girl choosing a girl over the guy, which to me is interesting especially since the girl and guy are already apparently in a good relationship :o I am really looking forward to this adaptation. |
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drgy55 said: Is there some cultural reason Yuri doesn't seem to be taken seriously in the anime world? Does it not sell well? I find that hard to believe since shows that have that obnoxious yuri subtext (Hibike Euphonium Ep. 11 made me rage quit so hard) have fans absolutely clamoring for an actual, canon relationship... There's a reason why yuri doesn't sell well. "I know a few female anime fans and they all like both yaoi and yuri. But I don't see any straight men praising the yaoi gods. If anything, yuri should be way more popular!" I've often heard that argument. Yuri is a newer genre, and has the intriguing problem of not having a unified audience, so what appeals to the straight men, straight women and lesbian may differ significantly, which splits an already niche audience up further. Maria-sama ga Miteru, for example, leans toward romantic drama for female viewers to sympathize with while Valkyire Drive Mermaid uses its yuri content to entice male viewers with fanservice. It's a bit difficult to satisfy both genders of the viewers. Yuri themes don’t consistently appeal to a large female audience, nor do they appeal to a large male audience. In effect, not only is the audience for yuri in both America and Japan smaller than the audience for yaoi; it’s also splintered. |
KyokutouFeb 17, 2017 8:59 PM
Kyokutou said: drgy55 said: Is there some cultural reason Yuri doesn't seem to be taken seriously in the anime world? Does it not sell well? I find that hard to believe since shows that have that obnoxious yuri subtext (Hibike Euphonium Ep. 11 made me rage quit so hard) have fans absolutely clamoring for an actual, canon relationship... There's a reason why yuri doesn't sell well. "I know a few female anime fans and they all like both yaoi and yuri. But I don't see any straight men praising the yaoi gods. If anything, yuri should be way more popular!" I've often heard that argument. Yuri is a newer genre, and has the intriguing problem of not having a unified audience, so what appeals to the straight men, straight women and lesbian may differ significantly, which splits an already niche audience up further. Maria-sama ga Miteru, for example, leans toward romantic drama for female viewers to sympathize with while Valkyire Drive Mermaid uses its yuri content to entice male viewers with fanservice. It's a bit difficult to satisfy both genders of the viewers. Yuri themes don’t consistently appeal to a large female audience, nor do they appeal to a large male audience. In effect, not only is the audience for yuri in both America and Japan smaller than the audience for yaoi; it’s also splintered. Oh my, I've been revived... Yes, so actually in my continuing search for new, good Yuri I've come to this realization myself. The difference between "types" of Yuri is pretty significant. I'm starting to get why some people hate Citrus, or love Girlfriends or Netsuzou Trap, or can't stand Maria-sama (that'd be me) but are entertained by Valkyrie Mermaid or Sakura Trick. I tend to enjoy (to varying degrees) anything with Yuri content. As a straight male, I'm going to say that's pretty typical. I've found that lesbian women tend to be all over the place with their preferences. Straight women rarely seem to like Yuri with explicit sex, though certainly 10X more often than straight men would enjoy yaoi. I think that's the great thing about Yuri, though. Girlfriends is probably my new favorite example of how it's different as a genre. It can be so fluffy, innocent, and sexy at the same time lol. |
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drgy55 said: Oh my, I've been revived... Yes, so actually in my continuing search for new, good Yuri I've come to this realization myself. The difference between "types" of Yuri is pretty significant. I'm starting to get why some people hate Citrus, or love Girlfriends or Netsuzou Trap, or can't stand Maria-sama (that'd be me) but are entertained by Valkyrie Mermaid or Sakura Trick. I tend to enjoy (to varying degrees) anything with Yuri content. As a straight male, I'm going to say that's pretty typical. I've found that lesbian women tend to be all over the place with their preferences. Straight women rarely seem to like Yuri with explicit sex, though certainly 10X more often than straight men would enjoy yaoi. I think that's the great thing about Yuri, though. Girlfriends is probably my new favorite example of how it's different as a genre. It can be so fluffy, innocent, and sexy at the same time lol. Agreed. While straight women may watch Maria-sama, or Aoi Hana, you hella bet most of them won't even touch hardcore yuri. Just like you said, lesbian women taste tend to be varied. Some might think that Sakura Trick is boring, some might think it's great. Also unlike in America where lesbian considered hot, in East Asia it's kinda reversed. I know a Chinese man that's okay with gay men, but not with lesbian because it means less women for them. Men being gay = more women for him. That's why he prefer to watch a show staring gay men rather than lesbian. It's kind of unthinkable for western men. I don't deny that there's Asian men that find yuri hot, but most of them prefer ecchi/harem show where they can self-insert as the protagonist. |
KyokutouFeb 17, 2017 10:34 PM
Kyokutou said: drgy55 said: Oh my, I've been revived... Yes, so actually in my continuing search for new, good Yuri I've come to this realization myself. The difference between "types" of Yuri is pretty significant. I'm starting to get why some people hate Citrus, or love Girlfriends or Netsuzou Trap, or can't stand Maria-sama (that'd be me) but are entertained by Valkyrie Mermaid or Sakura Trick. I tend to enjoy (to varying degrees) anything with Yuri content. As a straight male, I'm going to say that's pretty typical. I've found that lesbian women tend to be all over the place with their preferences. Straight women rarely seem to like Yuri with explicit sex, though certainly 10X more often than straight men would enjoy yaoi. I think that's the great thing about Yuri, though. Girlfriends is probably my new favorite example of how it's different as a genre. It can be so fluffy, innocent, and sexy at the same time lol. Agreed. While straight women may watch Maria-sama, or Aoi Hana, you hella bet most of them won't even touch hardcore yuri. Just like you said, lesbian women taste tend to be varied. Some might think that Sakura Trick is boring, some might think it's great. Also unlike in America where lesbian considered hot, in East Asia it's kinda reversed. I know a Chinese man that's okay with gay men, but not with lesbian because it means less women for them. Men being gay = more women for him. That's why he prefer to watch a show staring gay men rather than lesbian. It's kind of unthinkable for western men. I don't deny that there's Asian men that find yuri hot, but most of them prefer ecchi/harem show where they can self-insert as the protagonist. I see straight guys even in America all the time saying "oh, she's lesbian, that's annoying" and I just don't understand it... it's because they want to self-insert, but it's fiction anyway, sooo why stop at 1 when there can be 2? Or 3? XD Idk, if you have to self-insert, just put yourself there, I don't see why there needs to be a male character for that. Ecchi/harem, on the other hand, I find pretty icky and I hate how the women are always super promiscuous. Not attractive at all imo. Reminds me how I wish they would've picked a better yuri anime than Netsuzou Trap to adapt. Grr >_> |
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| Strawberry panic actually works though. First all girls like that do exist. Also it's not as much of a given just because it's all girl. They figure out how to make a dating sim for it where you are guy and you can hook up with all the girls from said schools. |
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| My heart will go on (though there doesn't seem to be much hope). I just don't think it's that popular. I mean, how many people saw The L Word? That's like the most lesbian tv show on the planet. There may be more serious yuri in other mediums, i.e. video games, visual novels, manga, and if you're really desperate, erotic fiction. All of the yuri related anime I've seen has some merit, but none has approached that je ne sais quoi of what I would consider an amazing yuri story. - Strawberry Panic was pretty good when it came to romance between the man leads, but that anime was riddled with strange character arcs that were really unnecessary. As far as I'm aware, the love triangle between Shizuma, Nagisa, and Tamao was what carried the whole story, and even then, Nagisa was quite a ditz at times. I will give them credit for giving us decent romance, but it was lacklustre at times. - Sakura Trick, I mean, for slice of life it's pretty good. Obviously you get tons of making out, which is fine, but romance is practically non-existent. The takeaway from the show is that they thought they were just special friends and Haruka shows that she somehow doesn't love Yuu, even though they've been making out for God knows how long AND they had an episode where Yuu literally thought they were about to marry. I get that they want to convey the confusion of high schoolers when it comes to romance and love, but who the hell doesn't realize that kissing is a sign of romantic interest and relationship. The dunce level of Haruka and Yuu is incredible, far too high for me to believe. "Oh, we don't love each other, but we make out regularly and show signs of sexual attraction, but no, we're just really good friends who want to explore kissing." Give me a break. -Shoujo Sect, it's hentai, so obviously there will be a lot of unprompted sex, but they do have a pretty good amount of romance hidden between Momoko and Shinobu. I thought they actually handled that romance well in three episodes. But overall, there are too many useless characters. I would re-cut the series to only include parts with Momoko and Shinobu. -Fate/Loli. Not much to say there. Almost zero romance at all, but also very questionable make out scenes, which again, they're basically what, middle-schoolers? I feel a bit guilty about watching that. It really doesn't look like it will be taken into a romantic direction, however, they admit it's fanservice, so at least you have that. Romance score: F- -Hibike! Euphonium. This one arguably has no yuri at all. But I would argue that there are many signs and set-ups which are just not delivered on. If you interpret it as yuri, there are many good set-ups between Kumiko, Reina, and Asuka. Had the ending been more clear on whether Kumiko feels love romantically for Asuka, I would say that Hibike has some of the best, if not the best, romantic yuri development. Even the scenes with Reina would have set up really well for Kumiko and Reina ending up together. But one can only dream. Now, since it's currently airing, it's hard to say for sure, but Kuzu no Honkai at the moment has the best take I've seen yet on yuri romance, or rather, yuri relationships. It's very dark and very serious. There are huge emotional stakes involved. Plus, there are very adult scenes going on as well for those who are into the ecchi side of yuri. The show isn't about yuri, but it's one of the major arcs and so far I think it's handled really well. What would I personally like in yuri. I'm strongly interested in romance. I don't so much care about the sexual beyond kissing, since well, there is porn for that, but also because I think one of the most emotionally rewarding points in any romance story is the first kiss. So in that regard, I value the first kiss in yuri very much. Mainly, I would like to see deep development of romance. Not necessarily in a completely serious manner, but ultimately it would have to be something with great emotional payoff, not just Fate/Loli kind of level of yuri. |
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| I wish for Yuri to be a more common genre of anime but i don't think that will ever happen which is sad. I hope one day we will get another anime like Sakura Trick. |
| Since this thread is back...I'll once again reiterate the fact that Yuri without the fanservice is garbage! And yes, we are fetishizing yuri....just like straight girls fetishize yaoi. So I don't want to hear any bullshit. I want to see hot anime girls do hot lesbian things! I don't want to hear about how they "love each other"....that shit is gay. |
| Yuri Kuma Arashi. If you want a serious (though peculiar and metaphorical) treatment of yuri. That one's not typical in any sense of the word. |
Saucy said: Now, since it's currently airing, it's hard to say for sure, but Kuzu no Honkai at the moment has the best take I've seen yet on yuri romance, or rather, yuri relationships. It's very dark and very serious. There are huge emotional stakes involved. Plus, there are very adult scenes going on as well for those who are into the ecchi side of yuri. The show isn't about yuri, but it's one of the major arcs and so far I think it's handled really well. What would I personally like in yuri. I'm strongly interested in romance. I don't so much care about the sexual beyond kissing, since well, there is porn for that, but also because I think one of the most emotionally rewarding points in any romance story is the first kiss. So in that regard, I value the first kiss in yuri very much. Mainly, I would like to see deep development of romance. Not necessarily in a completely serious manner, but ultimately it would have to be something with great emotional payoff, not just Fate/Loli kind of level of yuri. I'm really glad you mentioned Kuzu no Honkai, because as sparse as it is, I also really enjoyed the Yuri in that show... it's not IDEAL, I guess? I mean, since they don't really love each other and I have very low hopes that that is the direction the show will ultimately go? But I still like it, it's like a darker, trashier Citrus kind of vibe lol. And I've seen like... every Yuri and Yuri-bait show at this point, though I appreciate the recommendations and descriptions regardless! This is why I'm very happy for the Citrus and NTR adaptations, since at least I know I'm getting actual Yuri with these. |
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