Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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| at first i was like "WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK SUBARU? YOU IDIOTIC PIECE OF ARROGANT DUMBSHIT, DONT GET SO FULL OF YOUR SORRY ASS SELF" then i remembered what i said and done when me and my ex were breaking up years ago. seriously, thats how most humans act when cornered and cant think of anything to save the situation. it looks pathetic and thats how it should really be. although what i really didnt like about subaru was when he mocked the knights. okay he slipped saying he'll be emilias knight, but he shouldve not mocked the knights. i mean, you saw how strong and noble reinhart is, didnt you? |
| why am i so well drawn into time travel stories? do i really have that many regrets? |
envy__ said: then i remembered what i said and done when me and my ex were breaking up years ago. The only thing that's worrisome is the fact jack shit was official. Can't imagine what may happen if they really did something. Holy shit would there be a part where Subaru goes nuts and beats/kil Emilia? Now that would be some edgelord shit. |
| the new ed didnt click for me though, i still cant get over styx helix #sadlyf |
| why am i so well drawn into time travel stories? do i really have that many regrets? |
| Oh man, such cringe this ep. Unfortunately, my budding appreciation for Subaru has been completely negated by this ep. Although, from a purely logical perspective, I can see why Subaru did the things he did, I just can't help but wish that things played less cringy, if anything. |
| Wow, Subaru is just so pathetic and hopeless in this episode. Well, considering that he's been trying to keep his sanity throughout the show I can't really blame him as he sees Emilia as his beacon of hope. |
| i love how detailed and revealing that fight was |
| This episode was cringy af. But to think that subaru still can't talk about his 'Return by death' makes it even worse. |
QWERTYFish25 said: But what else? it's understandable he'd be protective of Emilia and all, especially seeing as she was murdered right before his eyes in one loop. And he undoubtedly still sees her as he fantasy world waifu. But what else is there about the guy? Apart from the obvious tropes he embodies what else is Subaru, besides the obvious outside of his obsession for Emilia? Your question is vague makes little sense and deliberately worded to ignore any traits a has character to start with. I could give some examples like I've done with Emilia, but what hell even matter at this point when you even disregarded those? Don't ask about stuff you don't clearly give a shit about. Subaru interacted with a bunch of people more than enough to display different aspects of himself that has nothing to do Emilia regardless of how short term you memory is. |
Iron_MawJun 29, 2016 1:22 AM
| Subaru really goofed this episode. When he lost it and started shouting out everything he did for Emilia it was super cringey, but I guess he couldn't help it. Both Emilia and Subaru could have handled that discussion better. Really wonder where things are supposed to go from here; I feel like he might suicide after messing up that bad, but this life has probably developed enough that he'll just continue on to the next checkpoint (if he hasn't reached it already). |
KefkirothJun 29, 2016 1:48 AM
Charlesman30 said: I thought Subaru was way out of character in this episode, like he was a different person. He acted like an insane person with no self control, when the past episodes proved he has amazing self control, considering he suffered through several episodes dying over and over again just to protect everybody and act like the happy go lucky guy he always is. I don't know how to explain it, but it was like I was watching a completely different character. I didn't feel bad for Subaru at the end, I was kind of like "what the fuck is wrong with you," yet the crying scene on Emilia's lap made me tear up like a bitch. I got fed up with him at the battle part. I got excited at that part because I was like "no way. He's going to keep dying in this battle and become super strong. Genius!" But then he just did something way out of character and he exclaimed he did all that and acted that way to protect her. Before, he would keep the happy and cheerful act no matter the pain he's going through to protect her, not this psych ward bull shit Amazing self control? We are talking about a guy who just had major breakdown 5 episodes ago just from his deaths in that arc. And even prior to that he had run into library to sake off the nerves of his first and second deaths (not to mention the PTSDs). And previously to this episode he was highly on edge about Emilia going to meeting because of potential dangers. His deaths have been wrecking him internally thoughout the show and he's been trying his best bottle how lonely he is since he no one to confide in about his situation. Of course when his biggest emotional pillar cannot sympathize with him of course he would explode from frustration. It's not out of character it's called being human. A character who only acts one way no matter circumstance isn't a person but a caricature. Subaru has his limits in what he can handle. |
Iron_MawJun 29, 2016 1:58 AM
| [quote=Fai message=46678988] ayami123 said: Deathless said: I didn't get one thing. Reinhard told that he found Felt about one month but wasn't it just over a week ago? Starting from the moment when he found her (end of 1st arc), Subaru moved with Emilia to her country-house where events happened within a week. The way current arc started, it looks like that events of second arc happened just a few days ago so in total it should be 1-2 weeks, not the whole month. dude it's a month please count again :D The show did absolutely nothing to show that the month has passed. If anything Ep12 made it seems like the messenger from capital arrived right the next day. there is, re watch it again :D |
| Hard work betrays none, but dreams betray many. Girls are only interested in hunks. They befriend people only to forget them later. Life is something that can never be lived twice. Even this pointless act will eventually end. And while thinking that one day, I’ll surely regret its end… Fake people have an image to maintain. Real people just don’t care. - Hachiman Hikigaya(Oregairu SNAFU) |
Illyricus said: This episode in a nutshell, basically. iRels said: I also noticed that. For a guy who is most likely viewed like a plebeian by nobles, his way of talk with them it's too casual for the status he would have in that world. Now his behavior in this episode has a bit more of sense.Subaru has escapism. He couldn't take being told be inferior to another person. I always found strange how he behaved so casually in front of nobles like Roswaal. As if he were his equal... i couldnt agree more. subaru believes that hes the protagonist in this world, that he was summoned here to be the hero and the world revolves around him and another reason of his arrogance may be credited to his last death. he willingly died there, and probably developed the kind of thinking that he could just redo everything if he fucks up although the last scene with emilia and his uncalled burst may be desperate and pitiful, those are normal. i had that experience before and i really did look like a trash to everyone. i was selfish, arrogant, did not listen to anyone, and pushed what i want. it was an ugly experience, and even i regretted what i did. im sure subaru will hate himself more than we hate him once he regains his cool |
| why am i so well drawn into time travel stories? do i really have that many regrets? |
Xenocrisi said: Smudy said: Do not see why Emilia and Julius would get hate. This episode made it real clear who you should hate. 'Cause Julius acted like an asshole, even though it was Subaru's fault, and Emilia 'cause she doesn't understand a fuck. well we cant blame emilia for that. if youre in her shoes, im pretty sure you will also feel what she felt. he broke the promise, said things that could damage her reputation, and got himself all beaten up again. i mean what the actual fck subaru, cant you just listen to me? |
| why am i so well drawn into time travel stories? do i really have that many regrets? |
| Still not sure why anyone is still calling Julius an asshole. He'd been ever so polite to Subaru since when they first met. He even responded cordially when Subaru made a stupid comment out of jealousy to get him angry (which further agitated Subaru himself). He raised a question about Subaru's self claim to be Emilia's "Knight" when it was obvious his position was that of either her or Roswell's butler, and that he had no ability to act as Emilia's knight in the sense that was meant in that instance (even Roswell made an excuse saying that Subaru knew nothing about the customs of their world). Even after taking offence at Subaru's insult about the Knights order, he challenged him to a duel and after taking into consideration that he was Emilia's acquaintance he even relented from using real swords. Subaru insulted an entire Knights Order here, getting off with a knightly beating without the pain of dismemberment or death was already a kind gesture from Julius. I expect that any of the other insulted knights wouldn't have been so kind. Who knows how many of the other knights would have loved to "accidentally" rammed a sword up Subaru's side when no one was looking. Subaru was being arrogant, small minded and stubborn in refusing to apologize for needlessly running his mouth. The way things ended allowed the other knights to have their anger abated and sparred Subaru's life at the same time. Subaru only made things worse for himself for refusing to accept defeat and take responsibility for his own actions. How in all of that is Julius worthy of hate? |
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Jagd84 said: I don't see what is vague about it. It specifically asked what the fuck is Subaru outside of Emilia, as in what sets him apart from other characters? People have made the tired excuse of "not being your average LN/contemporary MC" But everything I see largely points to him being just that. The way he speaks, conducts himself, his thought process, and the incredibly fast psychological imprinting of the main girl. The only thing that only thing that's not like "your average" are the circumstances and what direction and theme the story is supposed to take(SUFFERAGNSTERSUFFER). It's centered around him and others being murdered several times and him being forced to use those experiences to avoid or exclude certain actions to ultimately change the outcome.Your question is vague makes little sense and deliberately worded to ignore any traits a has character to start with. I could give some examples like I've done with Emilia, but what hell even matter at this point when you even disregarded those? Disregarded as in called the kool-aid salty? Or disregard as in pouring the whole bottle out? Don't ask about stuff you don't clearly give a shit about. Subaru interacted with a bunch of people more than enough to display different aspects of himself that has nothing to do Emilia regardless of how short term you memory is. Interactions don't equal character. As I said before his character is typical, bland, and uninspiring. From the start to now, and that's including the time I liked him (because I figured his predicament would transform him into something rather extraordinary.) His interactions are predictable, (like double clicking an .exe file from one of the shady porn sites predictable) and the outcomes are largely dependent on the archetype he's dealing with. The only twist really is the fact the author has proven he doesn't mind setting up the MC to die horribly by the hands of one of those characters (as with Rem). Because Subaru is the MC and Julius is this anime's resident Netorare. |
QWERTYFish25Jun 29, 2016 8:46 AM
This sequence could be the series in a nutshell until now:  |
| Actually true. The poor dude cannot do anything without the help of anyone else. |
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QWERTYFish25 said: as in what sets him apart from other characters? People have made the tired excuse of "not being your average LN/contemporary MC" But everything I see largely points to him being just that. The way he speaks, conducts himself, his thought process, and the incredibly fast psychological imprinting of the main girl. The only thing that only thing that's not like "your average" or the circumstances and what direction and theme the story is supposed to take. It's centered around him and others being murdered several times and him being forced to use those experiences to avoid or exclude certain actions to ultimately change the outcome. Vague ass dumb statements like his "only traits is that he's likes Emilia or he's like every other comptemoray MC" is exact what I mean. You 2nd point meangless undenified descriptor boils diwn to whining he has some common arcetype like every character in fiction ever. Your 1st point reductionst nonsense not even remotely close to reality. For example what does fact he's good with children have to do Emilia? Or the fact working out is his hobby? Or that he's skilled in sewing? Or the fact he can very insightful? Or that he's out going person that easily gets along with most people? Or the fact he's terrible a housework? Or the fact he sometimes he fails to read mood? Or fact that he has no powers beyond a passive ability which he needs his own witts to make use of? These just some things that have nothing to do with Emilia nor does he share much most protagonists. But let me guess, you just gonna me some bullshit blahblahblah excuse that dismisses this. Disregarded as in called the kool-aid salty? Or disregard as in pouring the whole bottle out? I have no idea what you mean nor do I care. Interactions don't equal character. As I said before his character is typical, bland, and uninspiring. From the start to now, and that's including the time I liked him (because I figured his predicament would transform him into something rather extraordinary.) His interactions are predictable, (like double clicking an .exe file from one of the shady porn sites predictable) and the outcomes are largely dependent on the archetype he's dealing with. The only twist really is the fact the author has proven he doesn't mind setting up the MC to die horribly by the hands of one of those characters (as with Rem). I never said anything about interaction being character. Interactions is what brings out a person's character whether if is just conversing nornally, or in intense fight as example. In any story ever written the reader or watchers learn more the casts on those due to how they react and behave in a eviroment which brings out thei traits, histories and personal dispositions. Thus how came to learn things about Emilia, the twins and various other people both directly and indirectly. |
Iron_MawJun 29, 2016 9:27 AM
Illyricus said: Actually true. The poor dude cannot do anything without the help of anyone else. Yet this poor dude is reason why most of cast is alive right. Whether it was the incident with Elsa or situation with the curse, it was him taking action and pooling his knowledge that things got done. Many people like Rem, Emilia and the villagers havd all come to recongize that. Subaru us his knowledge nand resouceful nature not fighting skills. |
iRels said: That sounds incorrect. Subaru's the view. But he's changed history, yeah. Emilia would've been killed by Elsa... along with Felt. The story would go a different way. But it'd still go. The world already existed. Being protagonist (who does something commendable) is something else than being the plot device. In first four or five episodes, in was Emilia who was plot device, she advanced the plot to the point Subaru had to save her. But in later episodes, Subaru became the plot device as plots no longer revolves around saving Emilia, but around Subaru getting into the certain situation by doing something stupid. iRels said: Subaru wants Emilia for her goodness. He's not a womanizer. He'd not see himself as worthy of her, were he. Harem protagonists are rarely womanizers. If they are, it's often deconstruction of the genre like School Days. They often don't deserve having a harem in the first place and more importantly, they usually don't have traits that would make entire setting likely. They are often afraid of women too. Yet girls falling over them. |
| Signature removed. It was too good for this cruel world. |
Jagd84 said: QWERTYFish25 said: as in what sets him apart from other characters? People have made the tired excuse of "not being your average LN/contemporary MC" But everything I see largely points to him being just that. The way he speaks, conducts himself, his thought process, and the incredibly fast psychological imprinting of the main girl. The only thing that only thing that's not like "your average" or the circumstances and what direction and theme the story is supposed to take. It's centered around him and others being murdered several times and him being forced to use those experiences to avoid or exclude certain actions to ultimately change the outcome. Vague ass dumb statements like his "only traits is that he's likes Emilia or he's like every other comptemoray MC" is exact what I mean. You 2nd point meangless undenified descriptor boils diwn to whining he has some common arcetype like every character in fiction ever. Your 1st point reductionst nonsense not even remotely close to reality. For example what does fact he's good with children have to do Emilia? Or the fact working out is his hobby? Or that he's skilled in sewing? Or the fact he can very insightful? Or that he's out going person that easily gets along with most people? Or the fact he's terrible a housework? Or the fact he sometimes he fails to read mood? Or fact that he has no powers beyond a passive ability which he needs his own witts to make use of? These just some things that have nothing to do with Emilia nor does he share much most protagonists. But let me guess, you just gonna me some bullshit blahblahblah excuse that dismisses this. Disregarded as in called the kool-aid salty? Or disregard as in pouring the whole bottle out? I have no idea what you mean nor do I care. Interactions don't equal character. As I said before his character is typical, bland, and uninspiring. From the start to now, and that's including the time I liked him (because I figured his predicament would transform him into something rather extraordinary.) His interactions are predictable, (like double clicking an .exe file from one of the shady porn sites predictable) and the outcomes are largely dependent on the archetype he's dealing with. The only twist really is the fact the author has proven he doesn't mind setting up the MC to die horribly by the hands of one of those characters (as with Rem). I never said anything about interaction being character. Interactions is what brings out a person's character whether if is just conversing nornally, or in intense fight as example. In any story ever written the reader or watchers learn more the casts on those due to how they react and behave in a eviroment which brings out thei traits, histories and personal dispositions. Thus how came to learn things about Emilia, the twins and various other people both directly and indirectly. It's all centered around this nice-guy-white-knight bullshit. It's not so much everything has been done by another MC, but rather you can put any other MC from similar settings and he will almost do the exact same thing. Much like how you can swap the faces of several MCs from A-1 pictures (yeah I know it's not the same studio) and they will literally be almost no change in appearance besides the eye and hair color. And as such his character strikes me (even with that little "twist" was saw in this episode) as unpleasantly familiar. Take it however you will. I don't have the energy to be more specific at the moment. Though I'll prolly be bombarded with "WTF R U TALKING ABOUT HES A GRE4T CHAR!!1!". Not like I probably won't be right here next week going back and forth with you or others about roughly the same shit again, so I won't even pretend to be above this shit. Last week it was Emilia this week it's Subaru. I wonder which character will I "hate" on next week. Regarding the interactions, I guess that's fair to say. But once again, excluding the convoluted banter that at the start seemed to be geared at indirectly or directly explaining the apparent traits of the characters did nothing but suck up time. They succeeded since I picked up what I had already knew about Subaru from the first few seconds (if not the poster). But even as we're over a cour past the start we know nothing of Subaru's past besides the general archetype he fitted before being transferred into this world. We haven't seen why exactly he is the way he is he just is at this point. While Emilia suffers from looking like a cutout of an archetype Subaru suffers from being a reactionary of a cutout. That is to say all of his traits he's displayed are only natural of the niche and the gimmick is how the series puts him through death's doorway rather than than just the porch. And, of course the psychological consequence of such, which are flip-floppy at best. |
QWERTYFish25Jun 29, 2016 10:35 AM
The problem with your argument here is, Julius hasn't done anything at all to warrant a 'Resident NTR' tag. Subaru got jealous because Julius was being a knight and acting like a gentleman. Plus, given the way the story is going, Subaru's just realised that he's not really a true MC. |
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QWERTYFish25 said: It's all centered around this nice-guy-white-knight bullshit. It's not so much everything his been done by anoyther MC for even the same reason, but rather you can put any other MC for similar settings and he will almost do the exact same thing. Much like how you can swap the faces of several MCs from A-1 pictures (yeah I know it's not the same studio) and they will literally be almost no change in appearance besides the eye and hair color. And as such his character strikes me (even with that little "twist" was saw in this episode as unpleasantly familiar. Take it however you will. I don't have the energy to be more specific at the moment. Though I'll prolly be bombarded with "WTF R U TALKING ABOUT HES A GRE4T CHAR!!1!". Not like I probably won't be right here next week going back and forth with you or others about roughly the same shit again, so I won't even pretend to be above this shit. Last week it was Emilia this week it's Subaru. I wonder which character will I "hate" on next week. Good lord this was what exactly what I was taking about: But let me guess, you just gonna me some bullshit blahblahblah excuse that dismisses this. Listen man, I didn't care what kind of blank statement or buzzwords you fill your post with make excuses for your biased and shallow reasoning. I do not care if you like nice guys, means guys or irrelevant blank stale characters. The point is that you wrong about how you defined Subaru. I have no problem with fact he's the type of MC that lends towards altruism and earnest at whatever he does despite having rough around edges aspects of his character like you do. Things like that are not inherently bad. If those traits are problem then just drop the show instead in regurgitating the same tired trite ultimately getting you nowhere. Regarding the interactions, I guess that's fair to say. But once again, excluding the convoluted banter that at the start seemed to be geared at indirectly or directly explaining the apparent traits of the characters did nothing but suck up time. They succeeded since I picked up what I had already knew about Subaru from the first few seconds (if not the poster). But even as we're over a cour past the start we know nothing of Subaru's past besides the general archetype he fitted before being transferred into this world. We haven't seen why exactly he is the way he is he just is at this point. While Emilia suffers from looking like a cutout of an archetype Subaru suffers from being a reactionary of a cutout. That is to say all of his traits he's displayed are only natural of the niche and the gimmick is how the series puts him through death's doorway rather than than just the porch. And, of course the psychological consequence of such, which are flip-floppy at best. Again this not show's problem. You don't like the character interactions? Fine. I did and I like what learned through the banter even was just small talk. I don't care if Subaru isn't spilling the entire rapsheet of his life to me immediately or not. I'm perfectly fine at gradually learning what kind of character his by how he acts in any given environment and how deals with his situations. Same as with any character in the cast. If you got a problem with that kind of storytelling then your free to stop torturing yourself and go elsewhere. At this point you posts are just long winded version of saying "I don't like this " and hold little substantial value beyond that. And let's be real, even if knew about his past now it wouldn't debase you of your self-absorbed notion of how the show should cater to you. So yes you wouldn't give damn eitherway. |
Iron_MawJun 29, 2016 10:57 AM
iRels said: beast_regards said: Being protagonist (who does something commendable) is something else than being the plot device. In first four or five episodes, in was Emilia who was plot device, she advanced the plot to the point Subaru had to save her. But in later episodes, Subaru became the plot device as plots no longer revolves around saving Emilia, but around Subaru getting into the certain situation by doing something stupid. Hey it was already stupid of him to get involved with Emilia. Why? She helped him out first by saving him and he wanted to repay favor for it . He then later got to know her from that. It didn't happened for illogical or silly reason nor was it intentional on his part. Friendships are commonly started in a similar matter. |
| It's cool you're fine with his character as is. Point is I'm not, just expressing that. You give an appearance of taking offense towards those who disagree with you and paint them as shallow or self-absorbed as you have in this post. I try to steer away from implications myself. Whatever I'm done arguing as to why "I don't like this". I see now I don't have the patience or then cigarettes to articulate or justify my point to you. If I already have you didn't listen. Much like I didn't listen to yours. Hopefully this character will move towards becoming more beyond what I see him as. |
Will do :) ....... |
L-Ryoshi said: The problem with your argument here is, Julius hasn't done anything at all to warrant a 'Resident NTR' tag. Subaru got jealous because Julius was being a knight and acting like a gentleman. Plus, given the way the story is going, Subaru's just realised that he's not really a true MC. Yea, he hasn't. I meant how Subaru probably could view it in a particular extreme. |
QWERTYFish25 said: It's cool you're fine with his character as is. Point is I'm not, just expressing that. You give an appearance of taking offense towards those who disagree with you and paint them as shallow or self-absorbed as you have in this post. I try to steer away from implications myself. Whatever I'm done arguing as to why "I don't like this". I see now I don't have the patience or then cigarettes to articulate or justify my point to you. If I already have you didn't listen. Much like I didn't listen to yours. Hopefully this character will move towards becoming more beyond what I see him as. And my point is that you have already done that several times in this thread alone and ultimately keep saying and pushing the same idea. You're free to dislike or like Subaru or whatever and whoever else, but you don't need to keep repackaging the same content. If you detest the show that much then there is little precious for you here. |
L-Ryoshi said: getting off with a knightly beating without the pain of dismemberment or death was already a kind gesture from Julius There is nothing kind about his behavior, he said he would have killed Subaru if it weren't for Emilia. There seems to be no set rule for what his punishment should be but according to Reinhard a warning would have been sufficient. |
| Perhaps he figured Subaru was one of those burn-to-learn types. Plus he's really proud of the title of knight. I wonder though if Julius is really from a line of knights or if Subaru just missed the mark with that. |
Noumu said: L-Ryoshi said: getting off with a knightly beating without the pain of dismemberment or death was already a kind gesture from Julius There is nothing kind about his behavior, he said he would have killed Subaru if it weren't for Emilia. There seems to be no set rule for what his punishment should be but according to Reinhard a warning would have been sufficient. Reinhard is too passive. He didn't understand the whole situation. Julius was kind in my eyes, yes. Subaru could suffer punishment from someone else, hadn't Julius been the one. And if you remember, Julius spoke aloud - for the espectators (that consisted mostly of the knights Subaru had insulted), that Subaru's transgression would normally result in death. I've already compared this to Levi beating Eren in SnK. Haven't people misunderstood Levi at the time, too? Same happening here. Next episode should clarify this... possibly. As Reinhard said: [spoiler=img  [/spoiler]There's meaning behind Julius' closed left eye. It was for good intentions. It's sometimes symbolized that the right side of a person is good, and the left, is evil. I won't go into more detail. But producers said that they were putting much meaning in the characters' eyes. That we'd understand more through it. |
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Noumu said: L-Ryoshi said: getting off with a knightly beating without the pain of dismemberment or death was already a kind gesture from Julius There is nothing kind about his behavior, he said he would have killed Subaru if it weren't for Emilia. There seems to be no set rule for what his punishment should be but according to Reinhard a warning would have been sufficient. Yes because duels to the death being issued to people who insult your honor weren't common in the middle ages, right? Come on there. Plenty of people in history have been issued punishments for slights even less than this. Subaru insulted the entire Knights order by making it seem like anyone, even a butler of his station and ability, could claim to be a knight. Julius called him out on his bullshit by asking if he truly understood what it meant by having the ability and resolve of being a knight, whether he could match any of the knights present in resolve or effort, and Subaru himself being the prideful modern day teen that he was ran his mouth and insisted that all the effort that the knights put in was equal to what he himself could do with his lack of resolve and his 'I have no plan but I'll still be able to put Emilia on the throne' speech. Reinheart would call his punishment excessive, but then again Reinheart considers Subaru his friend and of course would speak on his behalf. The rest of the knights order do not share his sentiments nor his relationship with Subaru. We are talking about a middle ages solution to a challenge that was more or less issued by Subaru in a middle age setting. This has nothing to do with whether he thinks he's still an MC in an LN here. Just because he doesn't understand or respects the divide in social classes in his current world and thinks that he can run his mouth like he would in a 21st century setting without consequences, doesn't mean that he can get away with it without being called out for challenged for it. In his mind, he may think this is a middle ages setting with modern Japanese rules, but the truth is this place has its own settings and rules in place. These are rules that in the month or so since he came to this world, that Subaru has ignored and refused to learn himself. Subaru's insult of the Knight's order could have resulted in any number of challenges or punishments by any of the knight's who felt insulted. Did you see how many knights in the stand were calling for his blood? If Julius hadn't issued the challenge towards Subaru, he could have ended up being gutted by any number of knights in the palace at any given time. Just being a butler of the Roswell family doesn't grant you immunity for insulting nobles of a higher standing than you. Thinking that none of your words or insults have any consequences is a very modern 'keyboard warrior' mindset. Plus, Julius issued the challenge in private. Subaru still had the option then and there to refuse the challenge, apologise for running his mouth and let the matter settle. He himself chose to take up the challenge, making light of the fact that he thought with his 'feelings for Emilia-tan' alone and his cheap and dirty tactics would be enough to let him get one over those knight's training, which would allow himself to avoid apologizing for his insults. He was arrogantly still thinking about himself as the MC in the current world. Julius, on the account of knowing that Subaru was Emilia's acquaintance, allowed for the use of wooden practice swords. If it had been any of the knight's in the stand, I doubt their challenge would have allowed for that (more than likely they would have used real swords). As I said before, Julius was considerate of Subaru's relations to Roswell and Emilia and allowed for an already lighter punishment than what his fellow knights would have insisted on. Even the way he dueled was the very soul of courtesy. He didn't use underhanded tactics like Subaru did, not did he use sneak attacks when his opponent was distracted. Just because he was so much stronger than Subaru was down to his training and abilities. He also tried to make Subaru yield by admitting defeat, but Subaru being the stubborn mule that he is refused to. Like I said before, the way Julius handled things allowed him to abate the anger of the other insulted knights, without going to the extreme of killing or dismembering Subaru in the process and gave Subaru many chances to yield and admit his faults even before he got beaten to a pulp. The stubbornness of Subaru was the main cause for the extent of his own beating and humiliation. You really should stop trying to make excuses for Subaru's actions. Walking into a middle ages situation with the expectation that you can get by with using your 21st century 'Keyboard Warrior' mindset and also expecting everything and everyone to react and accept your behavior as normal is the height of arrogance. He should have learned such a basic concept that insults may equate to death since he got knifed by the thugs in the alley in the first arc, yet here he is still running his mouth like he's still in Japan. Julius was the very soul of courtesy throughout. Subaru just fucked up that bad to warrant his punishment (well he deserved worse really, insults to the gentry normally was punishable by death in the middle ages). |
L-RyoshiJun 29, 2016 3:17 PM
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iRels said: Jagd84 said: Why? She helped him out first by saving him and he wanted to repay favor for it . He then later got to know her from that. It didn't happened for illogical or silly reason nor was it intentional on his part. Friendships are commonly started in a similar matter. Because it was obviously too dangerous. Just replace her magic with a gun. She'd have threated the thugs by shooting at the ground to make them leave. Before that, he already did a stupid thing of confronting them, instead of running away. The alley didn't have a dead end. The situation was one that policemen would deal with, in the real world. He took a beating already, right? He experienced pain. Yet went to get more. In his place I'd make sure I had outstanding combat capabilities, first, before proceeding. But he saw that he didn't. Dude what? By that logic he might as well never speak to anyone and go live cave. That's retardedly paranoid. She clearly wasn't dangerous otherwise she would killed the thugs AND him instead of scaring them off then looking after Subaru a bit. Your policeman comparison makes little sense because people in general defend others or themselves this like all the time IRL without them, in either just as much or far more violent ways then she did and they end up fine. What a weird way to twist something so ordinary. |
Iron_MawJun 29, 2016 4:00 PM
iRels said: Jagd84 said: Dude what? By that logic he might as well never speak to anyone and go live cave. That's retardedly paranoid. She clearly wasn't dangerous otherwise she would killed the thugs AND him instead of scaring them off then looking after Subaru a bit. Your policeman comparison makes little sense because people in general defend others or themselves this like all the time IRL without them, in either just as much or far more violent ways then she did and they end up fine. What a weird way to twist something so ordinary. 'By that logic'? She wasn't anyone. Subaru was very stupid, yes. 'Retardedly'? That's YOUR way of thinking. SHE IS DANGEROUS. SHE WAS A YOUNG LADY, THAT WIELDS DANGEROUS MAGIC. In our world she'd be armed with a GUN. EMILIA IS NOT A COMMON OCCURRENCE. NOT EVERYONE THERE GOES AROUND CASTING OFFENSIVE MAGIC IN PUBLIC. The policeman comparison fits very well. What? People DON'T defend themselves that way ALL THE TIME in real life. THEY DON'T GO SHOOTING EACH OTHER. IT'S THE FEAR OF BEING SHOOT THAT KEEPS THEM SAFE. IF THEY WERE NOT TO FEAR IT, THEY'D CAUSE MUCH TROUBLE. It wasn't ordinary. What you're saying is that EVERYONE WOULD RESIST AN ASSAULT. Right? How well does that work for them? I heard most end up dead. http://imgur.com/a/wwoCA What happened wasn't common. And while Subaru was mumbling, the merchant guy told him that. Had Subaru followed what he said, HE WOULDN'T HAVE ENDED UP DEAD. ...Once again what? Emilia literally did nothing that would threaten him nor ever attempted to. On the other hand it was the non-magic using punks that were the ones that actually led to his death. And yet your saying he should run away from one who saved his life with her powers because... she wasn't law enforcement? And now you bring up the random incident Felt that had nothing to do with him was entirely cause by the said thief stealing something important just she was using magic that wasn't even directed at anyone other than target? Please tell me your joking. |
Iron_MawJun 29, 2016 5:05 PM
iRels said: Jagd84 said: ...Once again what? Emilia literally did nothing that would threaten him nor ever attempted. On the other hand it was the non-magic using punks that were the ones actually killed him. And yet your saying he should run away from one who saved his life with her powers because... she wasn't law enforcement? Please tell me your joking. Dude, you don't get it? Oh my. Don't you see that getting involved with someone dangerous, puts yourself in danger? What makes Emilia dangerous? What she was doing. She was chasing after some thief, having displayed use of offensive magic. If Subaru were to follow her, he'd get caught up in the mess. And he wasn't strong. He couldn't even handle the thugs. Emilia was like a girl armed with a gun chasing after a thief that stole her cellular. Can you see it? And Subaru would be the guy accompanying her... to a BANDIT'S DEN. Imagine a bunch of armed criminals in a room. That's what the warehouse could've been. What happens instead in real life? The girl calls the cops. And they deal with the situation. In the fantasy world the danger was just the same. Just put it in game perspective. Subaru would be a level 1 character. Emilia would be some level 10 mage. They'd be going after lv5+ enemies. They weren't even sure of the number. Emilia was desperate to get the insignia back. What happened was worse. A level 20+ assassin appeared. It killed them both. Subaru had just arrived at that world. One of the first things he did, was confront thugs, then accompany a girl he knew very little about. Because he found her beautiful. Look man, everything thing in that world is dangerous. It's does not mean that everything out get him. Magic is nothing more than tool just a like knife or sword. A person having it does not in anyway mean that going to harm others. Your post is full of the kinda of ridiculous fearmonging that one see in military propaganda that is not grounded in any reality. Fact of the matter Emilia did him no harm with her powers nor did she ever use them unless she was being assaulted herself. So Subaru has nothing fear from her by the shear logic of her actions. Yes she could kill him, but so could every single person he's met so far including the appa merchant magic or no. Just because something exist is not reason to fear it. |
Iron_MawJun 29, 2016 5:25 PM
Charlesman30 said: Jagd84 said: Amazing self control? We are talking about a guy who just had major breakdown 5 episodes ago just from his deaths in that arc. And even prior to that he had run into library to sake off the nerves of his first and second deaths (not to mention the PTSDs). And previously to this episode he was highly on edge about Emilia going to meeting because of potential dangers. His deaths have been wrecking him internally thoughout the show and he's been trying his best bottle how lonely he is since he no one to confide in about his situation. Of course when his biggest emotional pillar cannot sympathize with him of course he would explode from frustration. It's not out of character it's called being human. A character who only acts one way no matter circumstance isn't a person but a caricature. Subaru has his limits in what he can handle. We already saw him breakdown, and it was vastly different from the recent one. It wasn't the ending that bothered me that much. His actions were understandable. I just didn't really see the realism in that dispute, but I probably should have paid more attention to the dialogue instead of the body language. People aren't caricatures when they act a single way every time at a circumstance. It's just their human instinct, or animal instinct as some call it. As an example, some people will always scream every time they get scared. Some will go into attack mode and all of these make interesting youtube videos sometimes. When people get into this state, they're at their most consistent and honest state. Subaru kind of contradicted his own instinct in the same circumstances, which doesn't happen to people. That is what bothered me with his actions in most of this episode, but not the ending. And yes, it was amazing self control. You haven't experienced a brutal death, and I haven't either, but I can assume it's not something someone can experience several times on end along with the mental stress of knowing what's to come and not letting loose his emotions. Emilia approached that situation so well and made the breakdown so interesting and real. It showed us that Emilia was the only person who was able to bring out the real emotions inside of Subaru, which is perfect fucking wife material. That got me really excited for what was to come, but this episode kind of brought that down again A person lashing out and acting irrationally after built up stress with no way to relieve it is normal. It doesn't reflect the true state of individual, but rather it shows how much they said situation is affecting them emotionally. Subaru before that scene with Emilia just had his pride crushed and his own resolve and ability to protect Emilia and all that he's come hold dear denied by Julius despite how much he's sacrificed. On top of that the one person who served come to as an emotional pillar and who he highly respects cannot understand him because she hold no memories of time they spent together nor can he confide his situation to her to answer her doubts. He's been concerned in a way he's never been before that doesn't have anything to do with an external threat, despite trying to do his best to work within the limitations of his own ability. |
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iRels said: Jagd84 said: Look man, everything thing in that world is dangerous. It's does not mean that everything out get him. Magic is nothing more than tool just a like knife or sword. A person having it does not in anyway mean that going to harm others. Your post is full of the kinda of ridiculous fearmonging that one see in military propaganda that is not grounded in any reality. Fact of the matter Emilia did him no harm with her powers nor did she ever use them unless she was being assaulted herself. So Subaru has nothing fear from her by the shear logic of her actions. Yes she could kill him, but so could every single person he's met so far including the appa merchant magic or no. Just because something exist is not reason to fear it. 'not grounded in any reality'? Dude, I've already gave the example. The show proved it. It also implied that what Subaru was doing is wrong. Reinhard said that the citizens don't get involved in what Subaru was. They're wiser. They've survived there without CHEATING DEATH. Subaru started an adventure, THINKING he was prepared. He was then PROVEN that he wasn't. It wasn't a game to him. He could feel the pain. As a gamer, I only let my characters die, because I know they can be revived. When I play games, I let them die, so I learn more about the game. That's obviously because I can just reload. And the knowledge remains with me. Subaru didn't have the same in mind. He wasn't looking at a screen. He was there in flesh and bones. He was naive. The first time he walked into the warehouse, he was unsure, but calm. The second, he was traumatized. We all know that we'd have done better. We can easily simulate what Subaru did, in games. Just create a weak character. Start adventuring. Lose. Subaru probably didn't see himself through a game's perspective. Had he done so, he'd have a better notion of how weak he was. By the way, he wasn't even supposed to be able to parry Elsa's attacks. C'mon. The show even had to go easy on him. All you keep bringing up is "ifs" "maybes" "buts". You are purely judging characters by they attributes instead of they actions and context behind. That why your post isn't framed in reality, but instead wildy speculation that directly contradicts the events of what happened. If Emilia was a dangerous individual she would not help him period. Her ability to use magic or not is irrelevant. It how she uses it that counts. Vice Versa if Elsa wasn't a threat she wouldn't have killed Subaru several times. That why your argument is flawed. You judged people by the content of their character and actions not by their inborn traits. That leads to discrimination and racism which is irrational. |
Iron_MawJun 29, 2016 6:08 PM
That's just it. There is no way to tell where he would end up, unlike before. If it's back the mansion then it just make his situation worse since he can't artificially recreate the things that allowed him to solve it nor is he in right state of mind to do it. There also the fact that he hates dying and is always living under the fear of whether his respawns are limited or not. |
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