Koutetsujou no Kabaneri Episode 11 Discussion

CodeBlazeFate said:


Really? Most of the posts I've seen are along the lines of "this show is the worst of the season/disappointing and overrated piece of crap that I'd rather watch Mayogia and Big order" well, maybe not THAT far, but you get the point. Besides, some of the issues people like me and @zal brought to light about the possible double standards in these Kabaneri forums are why I made my above post to begin with.

Personally, I found Ikoma to be the best character in the show. Plus, this episode gives him some development in the form of his grief over his best friend causing him to be in despair for a day until being forced to suck it up and finally become a man he can be proud of. Besides. Could be worse. Could be the Hyper Beam from episode 9.

Comic_Sans said:
And? What's the problem?

If rabid fanboys have the right to spew out their criticism devoiding verbal diarrhea in each and every episode discussion then that also means "haters" and skeptics should have the right to insult and criticize this series all they want. Sorry, but this is how democracy and freedom of speech works.The MAL rules doesn't say anything about having to give credit to each and every anime episode, so why should people be forced to if they don't see any point in doing it or don't even have any credit to give to begin with?

Just because YOU think the pros outweigh the cons by a large margin and that every episode deserves credit it doesn't mean everybody else resonates the same way, nobody has the obligation to accommodate to your needs. If you don't like the concepts of democracy and freedom of speech then that's your problem and nobody else's. Again, I am sorry.This is the Koutetsujou no Kabaneri subforum, not the Shingeki no Kyojin forum. There is no reason why people would complain about it being unoriginal and having a simplistic plot here, if you want to read and participate in discussions about its potential unoriginality and simplicity then I suggest you go to that series' subforum instead.Same type of writing ≠ same quality and problem prevalenceWho's putting Shingeki no Kyojin on a pedestal? Not everybody who bashes Koutetsujou no Kabaneri is an SnK fanboy

TheBigGuy said:


Okay, fair enough. If I skim through the comments and see a comment beginning like this, I just ignore it. They are more or less the usual thing. I don't think, that Kabaneri gets more trash-talking than other shows.

And I agree with your last paragraph.

CodeBlazeFate said:


Thanks, and I agree with edit. Some people may be total fanboys on these threads. But most of the people here are savage haters, and some of that hate has spread to others who have a different opinion, or more maturity on the matter. Luckily, we have people like you on the site, who are more open to civil discussions than simple hate posting or fighting.

For your first point, (since I am crap with inserting what I have to say between two quotes) fanboys? I don't see any.

I see people who over accentuate certain problems of a show. Sure, many negative assessments of the show are likely justified, but people have said the same thing over and over

every episode with almost nobody looking at both sides of the spectrum.

As some of us mentioned, the timing and manner of this stuff is crazy funny, like in Kabaneri episode 10 discussion post 318.

For your second, You're assuming that I am but thirst over people disliking the show. I am. Not.

What I AM upset about is how people are hostile and accusatory towards those with a different opinion (like on posts 174 and 177 of this thread)

or one frustrated by all of this, and seeing your whole comment, I'd say that the latter has been achieved.

I also see people over accentuation get certain issues, and while there are some who lucking say something good where good needs to be said, there's lots of backlash at some of those people, or others blindly saying that anyone who defends this show sucks or something along those lines.

For your third and fifth points, I'm sure there are lots of those people on those forums. It's just that AoT fanboys have automatically assessed this show as a ripoff since conception. However, while I do agree that not every hater here is a fanboy of AoT, some of them clearly are.

The concepts of both shows are different. AoT is about giants invading. Kabaneri is just a steampunk take on zombies.

People take some of these things way too far, and like I said, I like both shows, but if you like one but hate the other, don't call it a ripoff based on that or whatever AoT reference or moment similar to AoT is on here.

If the premises, characters, and story beats are identical but with the latter doing them way worse, THEN it may be classified as such, but a lot of the things this show does wrong, are not things AoT even has.

I've grown tired of repeating what I say over and over. I'm ready to move on a bit. I just want people to not be horrible to each other, especially on an episode discussion site, and for some more of the negativity to be properly done and warranted. At least, with some of the posts I've seen today, it seems as if this forum in particular has been improving in tone.

OrangeJP said:
Ikoma becoming even more badass holy shit

DUDEREX said:
is it me or did ikoma get more hot with the haircut

Diuturnus said:
Shogun: "Be on alert for Biba and his rebellion."
Servant: "Sir, there is a train that wants in, it has Biba on it."
Shogun: "Let it in."

Phoebe3315 said:
This show isn't meant to be taken very seriously.

land161 said:
This show is decent, but it's been pretty disappointing so far with all of the hype it had.

Ikoma and Biba are both characters that had a lot of promise, but ultimately were exposed as just generic characters. I don't blame Ikoma for crying in this episode considering what happened to him in the previous episode, but after the first 3 or 4 episodes, Ikoma went from being smart and determined to being another irrational generic male shonen MC. Biba just turned into another generic cold villain that evil for the sake of plot, and none of his actions makes any sense. I never liked Mumei from the start, but at least she didn't put up with any shit in the beginning. As soon as her brother appeared, all of that was thrown out the window, and she's turned into a dumbass.

belial said:
That's the problem.

bubblin said:


Frankly, i dont understand your reasoning. Its just justifying how bad your bias is.
Either way, i think a die hard fanboy is just as bad as a hater.
Both were blindly judge the show subjectively and would stick to their opinion no matter what happens
Please dont complain about haters if you yourself is as bias as them.

Phoebe3315 said:
Sometimes I see people say something like this. What doesn't make sense? The series requires you to just accept things as they are in the beginning. If you were willing to believe a virus could form a metal cage around the heart and change the body in other ways to make it stronger, why not believe a mass amount of the concentrated virus could form the metal cage around the person instead and form a body by piercing other people/Kabane and clumping them together (for females), or just make the person significantly more powerful (for males)? This show isn't meant to be taken very seriously. There are some little things that don't matter which might not make sense, but I think it's a bit much to say nothing makes sense anymore. I don't think recent events have been too hard to follow or illogical (within the anime's world). If you have any specific questions I can probably answer them.

BLmatsu said:
I know. I'm saying this series has as target audience young boys though, so it's genre is shounen.

As such, I don't expect it to delve/elaborate more thought-provoking or mature ideas/themes.

In Kabaneri's case, if you watch ep4, at the end of the ep they clearly highlight an array of main/supporting characters all in their teens. The only exception being the guy above Kurusu (we don't really know his age...). The writer also decided to write all adult characters in a poor way (they really all behave dumbly).

Sorry I wasn't more clear.

Hmm... just to make sure, i'll re-iterate: KAbaneri was written with shounen genre in mind. It's target audience is the shounen demographic, young boys. In order to help with that, they made the decision to have all teen cast and focus on them. And make adults dumb. That's just Kabaneri's decision. (I'm not too happy with it tbh, but I'll take it)

IZEROII said:
This show has become a complete joke. Still over 8? Please. It's not just Biba that killed the show, MC and the cast in general are not impressive. The narrative is weak and tries to push "feels" drama but lacks any meaningful foundation to push that objective. Shit just be happening. Doesn't really flow. It's just happening. That's all well and good but when you are trying to be taken seriously that shit don't fly. Thus it's become a complete joke.

And don't make excuses of this wasn't meant to be taken serious blah blah blah. Give me a break. The staff alone was pushed hard pre airing to build the expectation hype so just don't make that excuse to justify your enjoyment. That's the problem with 2016 "hype train" bs...it's become ridiculous. In any case, it tries so hard to build drama it's sadly painful how little care you give when a character is killed main or otherwise bc you literally have no connections built with this plot or cast. This painted a picture in episode 1 and 2 and wrote a check it could not cash.

Every criticism (hater) remark is largely justified. I mean when did it become hating to call out bs. Justification I've seen for this show has revolved around "ohh the action is awesome" aaaaaaand what about that plot or simple character depth? I guess that doesn't matter...but damn that action scene was awesome and had great bgm with lots of flash so this was just great. Literally every pro comment is flavored to that context. See you have to able to substantiate your plot points and character progression if you are going to try and pull the drama card. This show, straight up, has continued to fail in building those points. That's the long and short of it. If you enjoy the show, that is great. To do so means you are watching for the flash and pop action/art and turn the brain off to everything that makes a story good. Well, unfortunately, for most of us the pros of the former do not overshadow the blatant cons of the latter.

Tiemuuu said:


I just want to echo this

moncikoma said:


Simple summary : u cant say its a good meth unless you try the meth it self

moncikoma said:
just feel sorry For anime watchers now only judging anime by the manual book.. .
Anime nowdays are boring.. Everything must have logic this logic that, reason this reason that.. Must follow this text book this trophy.. Bla2

They all forgot why we enjoy watching anime.. Why we enjoy steampunk, why we love epic and canon moment like kenshin VS saito with awesome musics.. Dat ghibli epic moment from momonoke, dat beutifull scene where gatsu killed a lot of enemy and cant move anymore..

All those scene are canon.. And all of it is inside this kabaneri (lets say it a copy cat, i dont give a damn) maybe it just what tetsuro and ichiro experience and like through all his life as an anime lovers..

If you guys critics , still can enjoying and love anime..like me
.. Please input these essence also as the small point for your scoring..
No matter how small it is, please appreciatte the creators passion in putting many mixture of unoriginality to this show....

I admit its a train wreck.. But there is still a lot of people who love this kind of shit just like me
It just interesting to see every episode of kabaneri were inspired from countless anime from older title .
And. I feel thankfull by it.. Esspecially it was done in 1980's art designzz which is once in a lifetime experience

.. And sorry if im talking like a fanboy

Darklight0303 said:
Wow I see this thread is still absolute cancer except for a few beacons of reason and sanity

HyperL said:
You all want proff this show have gone down? The fact that we all a engaging in this bash vs defend war instead of having civilized discussions like in previous episodes when this show still had hope...NUFF SAID!

Moridin17 said:
I'm confused as to Ayame's endgame. Is her plan really help Biba exterminate the rest of humanity so that, best case, her remaining people all starve to death on the train? Because that's how things were always going to go if the plan was a success.

cubeshifter said:
I'M not American but chinese
In china and Japan ancient time, it said " cut your hair and demonstrate your determination". Because in ancient , people think hair is from your father and mother , it's priceless and valueable. If you can abandon the most precious thing , you have the determination to finish your work. It's a serious things not funny
So Ikoma has cut his hair , it's a art express method ,but many western may be not know

I don't know why people give 1or 2/5 point .it is obvious that its underestimate. could you give a reasonable pint ?

I don't know whether people will see my answer ,hope someone one could know the point. Thanks

Darklight0303 said:


No that's just proof the parasites, declared trolls and self appointed armchair critics managed to chase off any real conversation from these threads. I can still have great discussions in the Reddit threads for Kabaneri.