anobaka said: Well your are speaking about opinion like it was a fact. Visual style is completely subjective. Just because something is extremely detailed it doesn't mean it automatically better. I simply prefer minimalistic character face styles like Nisekoi/Oregairu. I think there is an obvious difference between Clannad and Nisekoi/Oregairu visual style of character faces. And yes, to me Nisekoi/Oregairu style is great. Hey, you're the one that called Clannad's character design ugly. Wouldn't you say that's "speaking about opinion like it was fact"? Anyway, I disagree entirely with visual style being completely subjective. Obviously, the freaking Mona Lisa is "better" than what some tween in DevianArt draws. Details matter of course: you can't just draw a stick figure and call it a cute girl. You say like "minimalistic" character faces, but what's so not "minimalistic" about Clannad's character's faces? But, look, I'm not saying Clannad character designs are amazing, and Nisekoi/Oreigaru's don't, but that neither of them are much to talk about in terms of visuals, they're all pretty average-looking. If you're going to be spoiled by something, it might as well be the best the medium has to offer. |
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anobaka said: Well I thought I was much more resilient to visual style variation but I guess it plays a major role for me. I am struggling with Clannad just because of ugly visual style of character faces. I guess I got spoiled by nice stuff like Nisekoi and Oregairu. I feel you on that. I know i can really love and cry for Clannad but i cant just get past the face and those weird looking eyes. |
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| Well, I think, yes. I dropped Clannad but watched the entire 2 seasons of GochiUsa. I think that's a convincing proof. |
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| I would like to say no, but sometimes yes. Like I am probably never going to watch Clannad anyway because it doesn't seem much like my type of story, but the art throws me off even more. I just do not like that style. |
anobaka said: TheBrainintheJar said: Clannad is fairly traditional though. What do you think of stuff like Tatami Galaxy? That's one of the best anime in existence. I haven't seen it but I googled some images and I must say I am not a fan. :) That's said. Tatami Galaxy is brilliant and frankly, easy to watch and understand. It's not one of those weird anime that leaves you feeling stupid. I suggest giving it a chance. It's hilarious. |
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BatoKusanagi said: anobaka said: Well your are speaking about opinion like it was a fact. Visual style is completely subjective. Just because something is extremely detailed it doesn't mean it automatically better. I simply prefer minimalistic character face styles like Nisekoi/Oregairu. I think there is an obvious difference between Clannad and Nisekoi/Oregairu visual style of character faces. And yes, to me Nisekoi/Oregairu style is great. Hey, you're the one that called Clannad's character design ugly. Wouldn't you say that's "speaking about opinion like it was fact"? Anyway, I disagree entirely with visual style being completely subjective. Obviously, the freaking Mona Lisa is "better" than what some tween in DevianArt draws. Details matter of course: you can't just draw a stick figure and call it a cute girl. Well when I said "ugly" I was speaking about my opinion of course. And art is completely subjective. There is absolutely no objective measure where you could claim Mona Lisa is "better" than any other painting. BatoKusanagi said: You say like "minimalistic" character faces, but what's so not "minimalistic" about Clannad's character's faces? But, look, I'm not saying Clannad character designs are amazing, and Nisekoi/Oreigaru's don't, but that neither of them are much to talk about in terms of visuals, they're all pretty average-looking. If you're going to be spoiled by something, it might as well be the best the medium has to offer. I didn't say Clannad is detailed. I was simply saying there is a big difference between its style and Nisekoi/Oreigaru. I guess you find them average. I find Nisekoi/Oreigaru style among the best. Simply different opinions, which is completely natural when we talk about something completely subjective as an art. |
| Reading through the thread, it is nice to see there are other people who feel the same. Especially about Clannad's character design. :) |
| @Kreion this is my problem with this medium the majority of adaptations are unfaithful or incomplete and everytime i say : ' anime X suck' people say to me "go read manga/vn is so much better" but i hate reading .... sound and animation make the characters alive unlike in manga/vn anyway i don't have any choice , i will stuck with my video games and wait for a good adaptations ... |
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| Maybe when I started watching anime, but now after enjoying various art styles I can appreciate them all. I'm more of a story person and doesn't mind so called "ugly" visuals. Many people would call the visuals of Hajime No Ippo and Initial D ugly. For me, art style adds to the story. There are certain anime that if it weren't for their unique art style, they wouldn't be that good, for example Ping Pong the animation. Also, if an anime can only offer a good visual/sound, I don't think I'd ever watch that. In conclusion - No! |
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NateMKII said: Klad said: This guy gets it. CGI is the worst thing to happen to anime CGI will get better over time. Early 2000s digital anime looks horrendous in many cases, and now it looks pretty good. That's not my point. The way CGI looks is limited by current technologies, hand-drawn cels aren't. The worst that can happen to drawings is to look out of style after 20 years. CGI always looks outDATED after a couple years. |
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| I don't think anyone can seriously criticize Clannad's visuals. It's usually the character designs that are a problem for people, not the visual style in general. The backgrounds and everything lopok pretty great after all. I think it's important to separate artstyle/visuals from the character design. Those are different people usually done/decided by different people. And character designs are a more valid reason to be unable to watch a whole anime, though even that never happened to me. If I don't like em there's just one less thing that makes this anime particularly enjoyable, but other aspects of the show can easily make up for it. Though liking the character designs is definitely something that can increase my enjoyment of a show. |
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| Actually yeah. I care a lot about visuals. Something has to be really interesting for me to watch despite having ugly visuals I would watch something if it's just pure eye candy. Couldn't get past Clannad's first episode because of that. those faces design, ugh. So glad that type of art style died now (it was very prominent in the early 2000's) |
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Pullman said: I don't think anyone can seriously criticize Clannad's visuals. It's usually the character designs that are a problem for people, not the visual style in general. The backgrounds and everything lopok pretty great after all. I think it's important to separate artstyle/visuals from the character design. Those are different people usually done/decided by different people. And character designs are a more valid reason to be unable to watch a whole anime, though even that never happened to me. If I don't like em there's just one less thing that makes this anime particularly enjoyable, but other aspects of the show can easily make up for it. Though liking the character designs is definitely something that can increase my enjoyment of a show. I disagree. Character design and art style are indeed different things, but in Clannad's case the eyes are part of the art style rather than a choice in the design of X or Y character. Art style defines how you draw your characters. You can't put characters from Dead Leaves and Clannad in the same show and say "bah, it's just a matter of character design". Obviously the art styles would clash. |
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Clebardman said: Pullman said: I don't think anyone can seriously criticize Clannad's visuals. It's usually the character designs that are a problem for people, not the visual style in general. The backgrounds and everything lopok pretty great after all. I think it's important to separate artstyle/visuals from the character design. Those are different people usually done/decided by different people. And character designs are a more valid reason to be unable to watch a whole anime, though even that never happened to me. If I don't like em there's just one less thing that makes this anime particularly enjoyable, but other aspects of the show can easily make up for it. Though liking the character designs is definitely something that can increase my enjoyment of a show. I disagree. Character design and art style are indeed different things, but in Clannad's case the eyes are part of the art style rather than a choice in the design of X or Y character. Art style defines how you draw your characters. You can't put characters from Dead Leaves and Clannad in the same show and say "bah, it's just a matter of character design". Obviously the art styles would clash. It's really easy. If the thing that is bothering you is how the CHARACTERS look you should complaing about their designs and not about the choice of color palette, how the backgrounds are drawn and all that stuff that falls under the category of artstyle. That has nothing to do with the fact that usually the director will try and make the character designs somehow fit in with the overall art of the anime. Just because two things are made to not clash with each other doesn't make them the same thing. You can say art defines characters but you can also say the character designs define the art depending on what comes first. In any case by saying A defines B you're already using them as separate things even though you say you disagree with the point I was trying to make. |
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| When I was a pleb yes. But as u start watching more and more anime u like different styles. We all been there. |
| @Pullman: No, I'm sorry, I still disagree. You'd have a point if you were talking about Mako's eyes vs Ryuuko's eyes in Kill la Kill, they're both different design choices who follow the same art style rules (cartoonish, heavy lines, etc) but not with Clannad. That's like saying the uber long legs in xxxHolic are a character design choice. It's not, it's the art style. Characters and art styles aren't "made not to clash with each others". Character design is independent from art style. A character's design can be adapted to fit any number of art styles... And that's why, if you were to put the Clannad girls in another anime, you'd keep their character design (hair color etc) but ditch the giant fish eyes because they wouldn't fit with another art style. |
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Clebardman said: @Pullman: No, I'm sorry, I still disagree. You'd have a point if you were talking about Mako's eyes vs Ryuuko's eyes in Kill la Kill, they're both different design choices who follow the same art style rules (cartoonish, heavy lines, etc) but not with Clannad. That's like saying the uber long legs in xxxHolic are a character design choice. It's not, it's the art style. Characters and art styles aren't "made not to clash with each others". Character design is independent from art style. A character's design can be adapted to fit any number of art styles... And that's why, if you were to put the Clannad girls in another anime, you'd keep their character design (hair color etc) but ditch the giant fish eyes because they wouldn't fit with another art style. Yup. Character designs refer to character features and such. For example Ryuoko's outfit is a character design, how it's drawn is the art style. Like this for example: http://otaku-pilgrimages.blogspot.jp/2012/09/jump-famous-authors-draw-jojos-bizarre.html The features of the character (the character designs) are kept intact. What's different is the art style of each mangaka. |
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| Visual style of characters and character design (in a sense design is common among all characters) is pretty much the same thing. |
| Yeah, some visual style especially some type of character design are a turn-off for me, its difficult to enjoy anime if i dont like the characters Older Type Character Design (like dennou coil, cowboy bebop) and "Macho" character design (like Jojo series) are the ones that i can't stand |
hexanort said: Yeah, some visual style especially some type of character design are a turn-off for me, its difficult to enjoy anime if i dont like the characters Older Type Character Design (like dennou coil, cowboy bebop) and "Macho" character design (like Jojo series) are the ones that i can't stand While admittedly it is not my favourite, I am actually okay with Cowboy Bebop character style. It doesn't prevent Cowboy Bebop from being my favourite anime. |
Clebardman said: @Pullman: No, I'm sorry, I still disagree. You'd have a point if you were talking about Mako's eyes vs Ryuuko's eyes in Kill la Kill, they're both different design choices who follow the same art style rules (cartoonish, heavy lines, etc) but not with Clannad. That's like saying the uber long legs in xxxHolic are a character design choice. It's not, it's the art style. Characters and art styles aren't "made not to clash with each others". Character design is independent from art style. A character's design can be adapted to fit any number of art styles... And that's why, if you were to put the Clannad girls in another anime, you'd keep their character design (hair color etc) but ditch the giant fish eyes because they wouldn't fit with another art style. You're not making any sense, saying you disagree and then explicitly stating that 'Character design is independent from artstyle' in your next paragraph, which was exactly my point from the start. In any case I've said my piece and don't really have anything to add. |
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Pullman said: You're not making any sense, saying you disagree and then explicitly stating that 'Character design is independent from artstyle' in your next paragraph, which was exactly my point from the start. In any case I've said my piece and don't really have anything to add. I'm not making sense? Did you forget your first post already or are you trying to move the goal posts? Pullman said: I don't think anyone can seriously criticize Clannad's visuals. It's usually the character designs that are a problem for people, not the visual style in general. The backgrounds and everything lopok pretty great after all. Here's the part where you confused art style and character design. That's the thing in your first post I wanted to adress. Nobody here said character design and art style are the same thing, you must have misread my answer. |
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Z-Dante said: Meeeeeeeeee If the art is shit, the anime is automatically shit to me! That's why kill la kill is a terrible anime in my book . *cough* Code GeAss *cough* Why do you think that Kill la Kill's visuals are ugly? Imaishi and the whole staff actually did a pretty good job in this area IMO. Can you explain to me what you find bad-looking here? The colors might be retro and not as pretty as SAO's, but its art and animation aren't bad at all. I mean, dude. |
paraze said: Z-Dante said: Meeeeeeeeee If the art is shit, the anime is automatically shit to me! That's why kill la kill is a terrible anime in my book . *cough* Code GeAss *cough* Why do you think that Kill la Kill's visuals are ugly? Imaishi and the whole staff actually did a pretty good job in this area IMO. Can you explain to me what you find bad-looking here? The colors might be retro and not as pretty as SAO's, but its art and animation aren't bad at all. I mean, dude. Some people are just put off by anything that doesn't look like the main bulk of anime production. I mean, the backlash at Panty & Stocking was kinda hilarious , with lots of butthurt people whining that it wasn't all drawn like the sexy scenes. |
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| After taking a chance and watching Ping Pong I've never been really bothered by visuals enough to not watch an anime. Though Clannad would give me nightmares considering those eyes. Things like Tatami Galaxy, Mononoke, Madoka Magica, Flowers of Evil, and anything else I can not only tolerate but appreciate after watching Ping Pong. Guess it opened my eyes to different art styles. |
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| The story and the characters interest me more than the aesthetic style. I must be weird or something. |
FahtahSensei said: The story and the characters interest me more than the aesthetic style. I must be weird or something. Well that is obviously not the point of the thread. I would say majority put more weight on story and characters then visual style, myself included. The question of the thread was whether bad visual style (specifically ugly/weird character design) can ruin anime for you. |
anobaka said: FahtahSensei said: The story and the characters interest me more than the aesthetic style. I must be weird or something. Well that is obviously not the point of the thread. I would say majority put more weight on story and characters then visual style, myself included. The question of the thread was whether bad visual style (specifically ugly/weird character design) can ruin anime for you. Ye alright and my answer is generally no. Unless it is utter shit. And sometimes not even then. |
anobaka said: Well I thought I was much more resilient to visual style variation but I guess it plays a major role for me. For example, bad character design can definitely ruin an anime for me or even make it unwatchable. I am struggling with Clannad just because of ugly visual style of character faces. I guess I got spoiled by nice stuff like Nisekoi and Oregairu. Just pretend everyone in Clannad had down-syndrome. They act like it and it makes the gap between the eyes easier to accept ;) |
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| I think the blade and soul anime and a few other heavily CG anime actually made me nauseous trying to watch them so yeah It's also a turn off if they're totally uninspired generic plastic looking moe blobs like you'd see in baby's first hentai |
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| I don't. Instead, "unique" visual style intrigue me even more. When I said unique, I mean literally unique(like Kaiji, Akagi, Ping Pong, Tatami Galaxy, etc). |
| Extremely so. It's very hard to get me to watch anything if I hate the art style. No matter how good the story is, why bother if you can have good story AND an artstyle you like instead of one you hate? XD Examples of art I like: Clannad Owari No Seraph Nisekoi Lucky Star Durarara Akatsuki No Yona Examples of art I don't like: Ping Pong Aku No Hana Space Dandy Naruto DBZ Everything from Satoshi Kon. HIS SHIT IS UGGGGLY. Sorry Utena (Half. The girls look okay (though they're too tall. But the MEN!? WTF O_______o) I'mmmmm shallow~whoopdee dee~ |
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Kingof1k said: Yes, I'll drop it if I don't like the visuals. That's why I don't watch Durarara anymore Durarara's art is offensive. There are art styles that look bad, but at least have style or something unique in them. Aku no Hana may look bad but at least it tries something different. In Durarara, everyone looks like side-characters. |
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| To be honest, I'm an unpredictable dude in this regard but I think it's safe to say the art doesn't determine anything for me. So no, art isn't an exact only turn off for me. I mean I watched the ONAs for Blame! even though it was horrible (thank God they weren't that long anyway). I will tell you guys right now, anyone who can do that with a whole heart is a boss!! Terrible visuals I tell you guys. Damn! |
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