Joker Game Episode 1 Discussion

Fai said:

The only countries comparable to Japan in terms of atrocities during WW2 are Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
"others did it too" is not an excuse.
What USA did in Hiroshima in Nagasaki was a war crime. So was everything japs did in their little invasion to china and attack on pearl harbor.

Fai said:


The only countries comparable to Japan in terms of atrocities during WW2 are Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.
"others did it too" is not an excuse.
What USA did in Hiroshima in Nagasaki was a war crime. So was everything japs did in their little invasion to china and attack on pearl harbor.

shanimebib said:


You are forgetting that they have been institutionalized. Their values, behaviours, thought process, everything has been molded such as to turn them into the bland and samey you mentioned. True spies don't have personalities. And since they don't have personalities, they can take the shape of the cup they are poured in to. They are usually nobodies unlike what Hollywood makes us think.

Lt. Sakuma isn't even the main character. As annoying as he has been (with his blah blah ideologies), he is just an observer of the so called Monsters.

ichii_1 said:


And yet the US and alot of other countries doesn't see what they did as war crimes just like the Japanese, so why aren't you bashing 'murica when they do their nationalist propaganda?

E96825 said:



Yes I agree, let's compare how Japan attacked a military base to how the US dropped two nukes on civilians, because that's totally the same thing.

Bukkake_Princess said:


>tfw Japan murdered and raped more Chinese than the atom bombs killed people

Nanking never happened, r-right everyone? A-America is really the bad guy b-because they killed a lot of people in a few seconds and it's arguably worse than all the atrocities glorious Nippon committed, r-right?

E96825 said:


You can still see deformed nips because of the bombs.

And why are you making it as if i'm defending Japan? Do you think I give a shit about the nukes, nanking, the jews(really, jews?) whatever the hell happened 100 years ago?

This is an anime, if you're not able to differentiate between fiction and RL then you need to get some medication, stop trying to force your political views in an anime forum. Really.

Bukkake_Princess said:
>tfw people are pissy about about pro-japanese imperialism when this show is trying to make a realistic setting

c'mon guys, just because a show has a character who believes in certain ideals or whatever doesn't mean the show itself is trying to advocate those ideals.

Also, bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified.



>tfw Japan murdered and raped more Chinese than the atom bombs killed people

Nanking never happened, r-right everyone? A-America is really the bad guy b-because they killed a lot of people in a few seconds and it's arguably worse than all the atrocities glorious Nippon committed, r-right? U-Unit 731 is a hoax like the Holocaust, r-right?

Mod edit: Combined double post

A_Little_Birdy said:

The thing is Japan likes to glorify their war efforts when it is in truth just genocide, torture and rape. I am not an American but even I can tell the propaganda themes in this show like the part where they made japan look like the Victims in that television broadcast flashback about how they got tricked or some shit like that.

It sickens me even today that they would pull out the victim card despite the atrocities that they have done, the people in Japan must be brainwashed to the max to even be able to believe what they did was right.

scruffykiwi said:


Japan does not like to glorify in it's war efforts. It tries to bury its head in the sand and pretend that it didn't happen!! They are 2 very different things. The west is far more guilty of glorifying war and their war efforts than Japan.

It is true though that recently there has been a strong nationalism drive in Japanese politics. For instance the JSDF can now be posted overseas in peacekeeping missions which was previously blocked at a constitutional level in Japan.

Still .. the prize for war glorification definitely goes to the west. Just look at the number of war and western movies that have been produced in the past!

NerdyNekoSama said:
Uhm I think I missed something but.. why is our MC with anti spy mindset at spy school at first place?

Holmes15 said:
The MC is already annoying with his naive and cringing mentality. Seriously? Calling spies cowards because they engage in underhanded tactics which is the basis of their role. Wish some females were included in it, nothing more boring than a all one gender cast show. Don't really care about the pro-Japan nationalist feel to it, I mean this is for a Japanese audience so it makes sense why they will gloss over crimes they committed to appeal to their consumers who might be put off.

Fai said:
Hmm, decent episode.
The good:
- The direction is perfect. The cinematography is perfect. The music is perfect as expected from Production IG.
- While the story does not seem to be clear, the set up for it is intriguing enough.

The undecided:
- The MC is a complete idiot. I know it is usual to have a "straightforward guy" as MC, but it was outright second hand embarrassment through the whole episode to watch him. I hope for some sort of twist.

The Bad:
- Under-developed characters. Apart from "MR.Nippon Banzai" MC, all of the other characters except for the school's boss, look bland and samey. Introducing a shitload of characters at once usually takes a lot of writing chops and in this case seems to have been a mistake.

DoctorWasabi said:
Well it's offical guys. Re Zero is going to be anime of the season. This was really the only show that looked like it could match it, but it's not even close Actually I remembered Kiznaiver is gonna come out soon. So if trigger can't make it as good as KLK then Zero is gonna be anime of the season hands down.

RinFTW said:
Very decent episode, i like the 8 civilian "monsters" mentality already.

but guys lets be real here... if you love moe crap shows, useless female cast that do zero contribution to the story (only there to fight your silly WAIFU wars) then don't bother with this anime... Yeah also if your unable to differentiate other characters unless they have an unrealistic hair color(Blue/Green?) you will have a hard time adjusting to the character design that ACTUALLY suit the atmosphere of the show.

There is a guy who's whining about how the "engrish" of the show ruined his "immersion"... are you serious? its already established that anime suck at that unless its your first time hearing someone talking in english in an anime i don't see why its even worth nitpicking on... even Hollywood is bad when they make their actors talk in other languages.

one of the cons is (under-developed characters)?.... in episode 1? ... Really?

that is the dumbest thing i ever heard in the history of this forums.

I don't usually make posts like this but reading some of the posts in this thread is frustrating... its hard to find people that can make valid points that worth a discussion nowadays.

Hi3i said:
Why?
In almost every hollywood movie its the same "Fuck yeah America, everyone else is bad!"

DMoC said:


It's only the first week, it's too soon to be announcing what the anime of the season will be. JoJo Part 4 will most likely end up being the top anime anyway. Plus there's still Bungou Stray Dogs yet to start, and if it lives up to the hype surrounding it, it could be end up being a top contender. I've also heard good stuff about Sakamoto desu ga?, so there's a bit of hype surrounding that as well. A good start doesn't necessarily mean something wll be good throughout.


Anyway, i watched the first episode earlier this morning, and I kind of liked it. Didn't know what to expect, but I reckon I'll stick with this show and see what it becomes.