Trump is dangerous?

Pirating_Ninja said:
Sargon on American Politics . . . No offense but I don't watch his videos pertaining to American Politics because, well, he doesn't really know them. He is however at least better than people like Milo who would probably assert that social problems are THE ONLY problems that America has.

Spooks said:


Well if it helps the video isn't really about his political stance and is about the other side the near zealous reaction to him running and why the hysteria is been stirred up. I doubt his actual policies or stances are why most of this is happening around his campaign as it seems very few people dislike trump based legitimately on his stances. It has some interesting videos in there obviously about the bias false nature of the anti trump and why its happening and some stuff on history repeating itself when it comes to establishments failing to shut someone down with media smear and hysteria and even feeding insane left wing martyr zeal and just jumps straight to political candidate assassination. May seem extreme but judging by just how stirred up they've managed to work people even though like one video shows people think Trumps racist without actually recalling if he said anything racist it shows that they're influenced without even realizing it but people like the BLM movement are useful tools. Wouldn't be surprising for them to be able to get some left wing nuts so crazy as to do Trump in for the establishment.

Pirating_Ninja said:
Trump says very little on policy and typically predicates his arguments upon his own character, so seeing people swarm to attack his character is not too shocking.

Veneficia said:



Omg captain obvious strikes again. I'm sorry you deserve a more fitting title
http://orig14.deviantart.net/e0a7/f/2012/226/7/d/master_of_the_obvious_by_ted_the_robber-d5b1h1e.jpg

Veneficia said:



Omg captain obvious strikes again. I'm sorry you deserve a more fitting title

traed said:
It's like people forget shit like this happens
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/08/20/a-beating-in-boston-said-to-be-inspired-by-donald-trumps-immigrant-comments/
They themselves said they beat a homeless Hispanic man because of Trump.

If we're going to blame political candidates for our actions, I just found good excuses for deleting all my questionable e-mails (thanks, Hillary!)...and for declaring bankruptcy to avoid my debts (thanks, Trump!)...and for insulting colleagues and co-workers (thanks, Ted!).

SaturdayKrush said:
I don't think people realise that if Trump becomes president he's going to have the brightest political minds working directly with him and along side him. Just like he's had with his businesses. He surrounds himself with smart people.

JustALEX said:
I just want to see the faces of all the goddamned Liberals, feminists, and SJWs if it really happens.

JustALEX said:
I agree with not allowing any refugee from the Middle East into the country unless they are heavily vetted...

JustALEX said:
I agree with being stricter in our immigration policy....

Notaneko said:
Anyway, choosing between Trump or Hillary is like deciding to be shot or poisoned. I hope it doesn't come down to that, but I feel like this election has been about picking the lesser evil.

traed said:

Those who vote in spite are voting for some of the worst possible reasons out there. All it does is lead to extremism.

JustALEX said:


Can't wait for November and all the hilarious shit that this election is going to bring.

traed said:
@Spooks
No one shoots someone because of a movie because movies are fantasy and everyone knows it. .

Martin Bryant, Australia's worst serial killer who killed 35 people in 1996, was obsessed with the Child's Play movies, namely their villain Chucky. He was obsessed with the childlike characteristics of the doll and and its vengeful tactics. It was even submitted to the psychiatrist that the character was a major contributing factor to Bryant's massacre.

When Stanley Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange debuted, there was an alarming number of copycat crimes, including two 16 year old who beat a tramp to death and, dressed as one of the gang members from the film, stabbed a younger boy. A girl was also gang-raped in Lancashire while the rapists sang the song, "Singin' in the Rain" from the film.

Also Natural Born Killers, and this one was cited as an influence by several of the kids who went to shoot up their schools in subsequent years.

John Hinkley Jr, the man who attempted to assassinate then president Ronald Reagan, believed that Robert De Niro's character in Taxi Driver was talking to him. He wanted to assassinate a president in order to impress actress Jodie Foster. He didn't kill Reagan and was later found insane.

Nathaniel White, a serial killer who went on a killing spree in the 90s, loved the violence in the Robocop movies, namely the second one. He killed his first victim, the pregnant Juliana Frank, in a manner identical to RoboCop: "The first girl I killed was from a 'RoboCop' movie... I seen him cut somebody’s throat then take the knife and slit down the chest to the stomach and left the body in a certain position. With the first person I killed I did exactly what I saw in the movie."

SaturdayKrush said:
Going against the establishment is sexy but let's face it. Every single candidate sucks.

Mint said:
the fact that he wants to "build a wall" (which is retarded for so many reasons).

Mint said:
I dislike politics, but Trump's success feels like evidence of that American politics has degraded into some sort of reality show. He's nothing more than a celebrity, not a politician.

Mint said:
I'm not sure why cherry picking examples of media bias or personal attacks dilutes the obvious fact that Trump is a joke

Spooks said:


Er except



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1312182/Teenager-inspired-TV-Dexter-murder-brother.html

By your logic these movies ARE guilty of causing those crimes and not simply the people doing the crimes. Maybe we should ban them. You see what you're doing with that article unaware or not is basically saying Trumps immigration policy is now "inciting violence" and as such shouldn't be allowed to continue, where next is basically trying to no platform Trump entirely by saying no matter what he says someone might do something bad somewhere and blame Trump for it. Therefor its not worth the risk allowing him a platform. Which kind of spits on the freedoms given to everyone because its ok when its working for you but not ok when its working for someone you dislike. This goes for anyone reaching to find something to pin on him including bottom of the barrel journalism.

If Trump is so bad it shouldn't be hard to address legitimate points but all I see 90% of the time is drek like what you posted. Thats why I defend Trumps right to campaign because the tactics the majority are using belong on an internet forum for scum like us, not in a political race. Well that and that he doesn't ignore the blue collar baseline of America the same people polls use to insult trump as uneducated masses. Its about time somebody represented the people who have been ignored in favour of students and left wingers over the years. It'll do America some good to stop looking abroad and turn its attentions back to fixing its own people and all of them too not just the left wing nut students out there.




Thats pretty much the gist of it, America has to pick the best of a bad crop and personally through all the bluster I think Trump would be the one to mellow out and be an average president. Hillary is a monster and Sanders Exudes weakness and people like Putin will laugh in his face in the global political arena. They need someone tough and Trump has business experience which tends to be the most cut throat career area out there. So the man has to know tough negotiations and the hard sell and hes surviving a none stop onslaught of media spin and crazy people that should show he can handle the pressure of presidency in his stride. Ive seen our political leaders buckle under a little pressure and yet they're still elected even though they're wet blankets and do nothing but fuck up the country. When it comes down to it they're all not the best pick so I'd go with who has the better relevant experience that will come in handy. If we remove the freak show the media has caused around it thats still Trump. I mean think about it if the media didn't spin up a frenzy and whoever it is didn't stir up the BLM and left wing nutjobs would Trumps campaign be out of the ordinary? nah he'd say his bit people would talk about it and when it came to voting people would vote like any other presidential race. I certainly don't blame trump for the protestor nutters if anything it just goes to show anti trump are bonkers crazy looking for a fight.

This guy tells it as it is, how crazy the protestors are they don't represent the normal voters who attend trump rallies for the most part 99% are normal people.



The people who hate him (bar the few that actually dislike him for legitimate reasons) don't even really know why they hate him. They just buy what the mob mentality and media tell them. Its like most of the protestors are there to hate Trump but can't actually tell you why, other than they're supposed to. Not knowing why they're so offended as to stand and protest doesn't exactly scream valid super important cause. If most of the protestors can't even give a reason why they're protesting beyond "well hes Trump" and most of the media focuses on ad hominem it probably means that they have to reach to make him out to be this Hitler image they have and in reality beyond disagreeing with his policies theres nothing to really get offended over about his campaign. Its the media and extreme vocal minority groups of protestors that have spun up this storm, not Trump whose just going about his campaign like any other candidate.

Trumps not even racist so what the BLM movement are doing there nobody knows, they don't even know.



As I posted on twitter some months ago "Theres no prize horses in this race."



Well to be fair America already have a wall. Hard to call him crazy for suggesting an old hat idea like that especially when America still has their Mexico border wall/fence up anyway.

Its like "Trumps a mad man! you can't build a wall you crazy racist!"

*Pretends not to acknowledge the Mexican border wall/fence they've had for many years that no other president has decided to pull down and has supported*

but we can't let Trump get away with the same thing. When it comes to Trump so many Americans exercise the one rule for us one rule for trump rule. Its ok when we or anyone we support does something like that but Trump gets none of it. He could literally promise anything exactly the same as Obama did any popular reform that was widely supported and applauded for and he would still receive outrage because its no longer about Trumps policy or his campaign its about some character the media have spun up, its about outrage for the sake of outrage. Its one giant targeted ad hominem.

I do enjoy people acting like all the previous presidents who they elected didn't turn out horrible. so clearly America has great taste and if they hate Trump so much that might be reason enough that hes the best choice because going with a pick they actually like, America seems to land you in constant shit. All America's previous guys landed them in war, recession, created ISIS and its current war of terror and yet people act like Trump is the one whose going to come along and ruin their perfect utopia that never existed. In fact I'd be surprised if he could even fuck up as much as your last few picks. They're the ones leaving a mess he'll have to clean up but he's getting all the shit while Obama slinks of pretending he didn't leave a shit on the carpet.

Watching America during this election run is like watching a Greek tragedy, its funny and sad with a hint of pity.

traed said:
@Spooks
No you dont understand what I am saying. Those people in your examples had mental illness and how they chose to go about their crimes is influenced by media, not what made them do it. They would have done it anyway likely. All studies show videogames lower crime rates because it gives people a way to vent on fiction instead of reality. This isn't about fiction its about a biased presented reality through the eyes and mouth of Trump.

Trump hasnt exactly done anything illegal but hes so bad he is extremely close to it just bordering on the law but it is not the legality that is the thing I am talking about. I am talking about how powerful certain peoples influence over others are to bring out the worst in them. Im not saying he is the sole cause but he brings out the worst in masses and individuals.

Do think the Manson family would have commited murder without Charles Mansons brainwashing? Do you think its okay to let cult killers and serial killers with accomplices to get away with murder? Do think Nazi german would have ever come to be without Hitler or a similar figure and his speech abilities giving people groups to focus their angst and frustrations on about the economy and him turning it into hate to influence the masses who did atrocities just because the were afraid of the economy and he convinced them it was the immigrants fault and they are subhuman? Do you think it should be legal for a police officer to do entrapment such as for example posing as a prostitute undercover goes up to a man who does not want a prostitute then she tries to seduce him and talk him into it, he keeps saying no, then when he finally gives in they arrest him?

Notaneko said:
Trump on his own isn't dangerous, but his supporters are. He brings out the worst in everybody and promotes violence and bigotry at his rallies. Plus, he contradicts himself practically every week. I think I read recently he was thinking of running as an Independent. Anyway, choosing between Trump or Hillary is like deciding to be shot or poisoned. I hope it doesn't come down to that, but I feel like this election has been about picking the lesser evil.

traed said:
@Spooks
No you dont understand what I am saying. Those people in your examples had mental illness and how they chose to go about their crimes is influenced by media, not what made them do it.

Nico- said:
As much as I'd love to throw Sargon's respective horseshoe theory video here, I probably can't in this thread without being called a cuck.

traed said:

Is this the one you are referring to?

SaturdayKrush said:
I don't think people realise that if Trump becomes president he's going to have the brightest political minds working directly with him and along side him. Just like he's had with his businesses. He surrounds himself with smart people.

Nico- said:
Yep, exactly.

It speaks volumes to both Trump supporters and Bernie supporters.

Baman said:
Sure he's flaky about his position, but who isn't?

Baman said:
But the actual work will always be done by bureaucrats and advisors, who usually know what they're doing. The only thing that actually sets Trump apart as a promising candidate is the fact that the corrupt establishment is scared shitless of him and going full attack mode to lie and slander the guy to death. So clearly he's a better choice than most of the other Goldman-Sachs whores.

Baman said:
And in the end, the only real controversial things he's been talking about is the wall and the (temporary) stop of Muslim immigration. And really, anyone that's got more than a couple of brain cells and realise what is actually happening around the world will realise that these are fundamentally good ideas. Protecting your own borders is paramount for any nation to survive, the rabid leftist lunatics that actually want hordes of criminals and terrorists running rampant are simply deluded psychopaths.

Donald Trump “runs significantly stronger among less-educated, less-affluent voters, and performs particularly well among voters in the 50-64 age range.”

Mint said:
I dislike politics, but Trump's success feels like evidence of that American politics has degraded into some sort of reality show. He's nothing more than a celebrity, not a politician.

traed said:
@Accy
So your defence of Trump is his supporters must be mentally ill. Sure go for it lol That is drawing false comparison because youre equating murder methods influenced by videogames and movies with bigotry and assault influenced by Trump. Those two things can involve different types of people with entirely different motives. All murderers can commit assault but not all who commit assault can commit murder. It takes different people. Also I ever said the crazy Trump supporters are sane. Many clearly are not. I never said they did things only because of Trump and Trump alone but that he influenced them. My examples are not direct comparisons they are examples of the same thought process and the videogame and movie compairison is a really bad one because its dealing with fiction.

AllenVonStein said:

Accy said:
I was not supporting Trump, I was pointing out your fallacious logic. Where is your study that those are different kinds of people? They both clearly cannot differentiate fantasy from reality. Trump saying violence was justified towards a protestor who was intentionally causing trouble being used to justify assaulting a random dude can hardly be interpreted as anything but mental illness or scapegoating.

JustALEX said:

BUT....meanwhile in Europe....



I'll take America every single day!

traed said:


You're misinterpreting. Of course they are mental. I never said they werent. Of course its a factor, I never said it wasnt.