Fai said: Shiki-no-Kurai said: The problem with FF13 trilogy was not that the cast had females in powerful roles. It was that the games were various degrees of bad. Sadly all square got from it is "let's add all the dudes!". Now we are getting an action-y most likely bad game that moves even further away from being an RPG, but hey it is full of dudes. And the public's reaction towards that is disappointing to say the least. >Cringe >Sausage fest >Muh female protagonists The Anime was made to hype the game, nothing more. So basically if you don't have any interest in the game(which is obvious by your comment), then there's no reason to watch an ONA, that serves as a prequel to the game. So how was the game then? From what you're saying I mean, seems you've obviously played it to see that there're 0 important female characters. |
YehartMar 31, 2016 2:46 AM
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Yehart said: From what you're saying I mean, seems you've obviously played it to see that there're 0 important female characters. The main cast is all male. It is described as a road trip(hell the writers outright said that they did not add a female into main cast because "it would ruin the guys road trip idea"). One of the only two known females was literally written out of the show and next is a generic sexist stereotype of "supporter". Thats pretty much all that needs to be known about this. |
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Fai said: Yehart said: From what you're saying I mean, seems you've obviously played it to see that there're 0 important female characters. The main cast is all male. It is described as a road trip(hell the writers outright said that they did not add a female into main cast because "it would ruin the guys road trip idea"). One of the only two known females was literally written out of the show and next is a generic sexist stereotype of "supporter". Thats pretty much all that needs to be known about this. Baseless. There's also that Gentiana girl, and the mysterious female Dragoon, and Cidney if you want to include her. Like seriously. Your current forum set is of RWBY, an anime(?) that has a female cast, yet males get equally as good screen time. Why can't FFXV do the same? Edit: Ah, right, you said something about the movies which I completely overlooked. Do you even know the main cast for it? Enlighten me please. |
YehartMar 31, 2016 3:15 AM
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lukeycow said: Ajin is in cel-shaded CGI it is not cheap. It takes years for cgi to look this good. And it's highly unlikely you will see it in a TV series.Not a FF fan, but damn that CGI is nice. Why isnt this kind of CGI used more often and why do companies stick to the shitty stuff like Ajin/Kingdom? Thinking this might take over CGI anime in the future is giving me goosebumps. |
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Yehart said: Fai said: The main cast is all male. It is described as a road trip(hell the writers outright said that they did not add a female into main cast because "it would ruin the guys road trip idea"). One of the only two known females was literally written out of the show and next is a generic sexist stereotype of "supporter". Thats pretty much all that needs to be known about this. Baseless. There's also that Gentiana girl, and the mysterious female Dragoon, and Cidney if you want to include her. Like seriously. Your current forum set is of RWBY, an anime(?) that has a female cast, yet males get equally as good screen time. Why can't FFXV do the same? Edit: Ah, right, you said something about the movies which I completely overlooked. Do you even know the main cast for it? Enlighten me please. FF6 shared about equal time on male and female characters. That was a decent example that you can have a mixed cast and do it well and don't need to go overboard. Terra and Ceres are some of the best FF characters created. FF7 had less and had some problematic things in it but it still made the likes of Tifa pretty much iconic. Yes RWBY has male and female charactersbut neither gets spotlight over the other and female characters are treated realistically and with respect. And it actually works a lot towards subverting or averting gender stereotypes. FF15 all of marketing and focus and story are on those male characters only. The story is about them only. The marketing is about them only. The focus is on them only. They are the only playable characters in the game. The story is about them only. A story about multiple visual-kei look boys on a "road trip"(using term metaphorically). There's nothing about female characters so far that would stand out or give them spotlight int his. Hell, even the design of the only female character is visibly and notably toned down and more feminine. The director even went on to say that FF15 is "all about bromance and bonding" and that adding females would "ruin" it. All promo art and trailers focus only on the all-male cast. They went as far as to remove a female character from an already very male game. Its pretty much only numbered FF game with no playable female characters Everything and literally everything about this feels like a response to FF13 critique(but getting the wrong message out of it). But gameplay wise nothing seems to be fixed - it is even more actiony, even more filled with cutscenes, even more stripped down in terms of rpg elements. "Hey guyse you said FF13 was boring and dull. Surelly that was because of characters, so here have more gameplay in same direction but with all the manly dudes!" If there is relevant non-sexist portrayal of females in this game and if female characters matter in this they are doing VERY awful job at making it clear. The sad thing is the idea that the "bonding" or "bromance" story is impossible with female team members. What would be so different if some of the above characters were like this: Would "story" somehow "suffer" from that? Would something change? The indication that the directors and writers think so is already throwing red flags about the game's representation of female characters. And that's on top of the already existing red flags from both promotion, focus, and now these ovas and movie. |
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Fai said: Shiki-no-Kurai said: >Cringe >Sausage fest >Muh female protagonists The Anime was made to hype the game, nothing more. So basically if you don't have any interest in the game(which is obvious by your comment), then there's no reason to watch an ONA, that serves as a prequel to the game. Yes. FF:Sausage is the first FF game in years I have absolutely no interest in. And while I could not care less about Square killing their own franchise, the amount of masculinity propaganda with ovas and the movie is still something I have every right to complain about. It is not needed. Let the game speak for itself. Terra or Ceres never got a movie or an anime. Tifa got a romantic interest role in a movie and that's it. None of the female protagonists got the spotlight like that. The fact that this cast that is all male gets both is extremely telling and makes me even more disappointed in square and the direction FF Is heading towards. The problem with FF13 trilogy was not that the cast had females in powerful roles. It was that the games were various degrees of bad. Sadly all square got from it is "let's add all the dudes!". Now we are getting an action-y most likely bad game that moves even further away from being an RPG, but hey it is full of dudes. And the public's reaction towards that is disappointing to say the least. No females= Shit game/anime, this generation in a nutshell, you are just sugarcoating the fact you will have no female to fap to, as expected of RWBY people, there is shit-tier lightning returns for people like yuo, take your salt there. |
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| @fai Did you just... ignore what I said? I literally just named 4 female characters (including Luna). Or is your issue due to how Square is 'representing' them? It's not that surprising that they're not going to get much attention through the trailers/promo art (possibly due to spoilers) due to what you just said, the story focusing on the 4 main characters. I see nothing wrong with that honestly. How are they being sexist? Because the females aren't playable (even though Noctis is the only playable character and Square has confirmed for guest characters appearing...) yet they still hold an importance within the story? I'm just not seeing it. The game hasn't even been released yet, we don't even know what's even going to happen. Honestly, if you could change your wording about to make it sound like speculation and belief, I'd have a much easier time understanding where you're coming from. But no, you address them as facts even though we have such limited information about the story. We also know crap all about the movies, so I don't even know why you're complaining about this. The movie isn't even about Noctis and co. Also, the recently released demo was a tech demo. Why does nobody understand this? |
YehartMar 31, 2016 5:27 AM
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Yehart said: @fai Did you just... ignore what I said? I literally just named 4 female characters (including Luna). Or is your issue due to how Square is 'representing' them? Yes the issues is representation and the fact that none of them are in the main cast. Which means they are pointless. s not that surprising that they're not going to get much attention through the trailers/promo art (possibly due to spoilers) due to what you just said, the story focusing on the 4 main characters. I see nothing wrong with that honestly. How are they being sexist? Because the females aren't playable (even though Noctis is the only playable character and Square has confirmed for guest characters appearing...) yet they still hold an importance within the story? Doesn't FFX-2 exist in your mind? It was the first Final Fantasy with an all female cast and no playable male characters - the opposite of FFXV. Why aren't you complaining about that at all? Double standards perhaps? This is pretty much voids your statement of saying that "bonding" is impossible with a main cast of female characters, because Square has done it before. It works differently in terms of privilege. "Oh but there were games with no playable males" - Again, playable male characters is privileged majority. Back in 2013 out of ~700 tested games only around 300 had female main characters involved and only whopping 20 had female only leads. I am sure its even worse by now. Its a simple math really "one game with female only leads" does not equal "one game with male only leads" and "one game with female playable characters" does not equal "one game with male playable characters" because of difference in terms of scales. There's absolutely something wrong with taking a franchise which so far had great female characters AND playable female characters and turning it into masculine fest of "all boy bonding experience". And again there's plenty wrong with even the idea that somehow females can't be involved in "bromance" and "bonding", which is inherently sexist notion on itself - "aww those girls and their feeelings would ruin this". Why can't there be bromance and bonding between a team of mixed genders? Why should it be portrayed as "male only" thing. Why can't some of those characters be female yet serve the exact same role as their male counterparts? Does that not imply that there is a difference in how the producers and writers view males and females? I'm just not seeing it. The game hasn't even been released yet, we don't even know what's even going to happen. Honestly, if you could change your wording about to make it sound like speculation and belief, I'd have a much easier time understanding where you're coming from. But no, you address them as facts even though we have such limited information about the story. We also know crap all about the movies, so I don't even know why you're complaining about this. The movie isn't even about Noctis and co. Also, the recently released demo was a tech demo. Why does nobody understand this? Again any information is information Squeenix provided so far. "oh but you misunderstood us" is not an excuse they can make. They are choosing to market it this way. |
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rsc-pl said: moodie said: When cgi becomes cheap enough that will be the new style of anime. Studios slowly getting up there. What are you talking about? Studios are using CG because it was always MUCH CHEAPER than standard animation. If they all would go for full CG, the whole anime scene will be dead. Bad CGI is maybe cheaper.. this CGI in the movie is expensive. The movie will cost probably around 80-100 millionen Dollar. Depends on the length... |
NiQue_Mar 31, 2016 6:00 AM
phreeak said: Theres no way it will be that much, advent children wasnt actually that high a budget either, square's vsual works department already has all the tech they needed for this and i think they are all already on payroll and constantly making game openings and cutscenes. Im guessing the movie was made partially due to the team not having stuff to work on during the long development time for FFXVThe movie will cost probably around 80-100 millionen Dollar. Depends on the length... |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
jc9622 said: . Unfortunately, the FF series hasn't been that good since FFX and Square Enix is making a huge comeback with FFXV, the game that has been in development for a decade now. Factually incorrect. FF12 was brilliant. FF14 is great FF13 was from bad to meh to okay And FFXV does not show any signs of being a "comeback:". |
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JizzyHitler said: phreeak said: Theres no way it will be that much, advent children wasnt actually that high a budget either, square's vsual works department already has all the tech they needed for this and i think they are all already on payroll and constantly making game openings and cutscenes. Im guessing the movie was made partially due to the team not having stuff to work on during the long development time for FFXVThe movie will cost probably around 80-100 millionen Dollar. Depends on the length... Rumors saying the budget of Advent Children was around 100 to 135 millionen Dollar. You cleary dont know how much stuff like that really cost and how much work it is... "working during the development of FFXV in the free time" .. yeh sure. A 5min Cinematic Trailer cost (depends on country) around 2-3 millionen Dollar. for expample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1Q4QExRNr4 Star Wars: The Old Republic or Blizzard trailers have the same prize tag. |
NiQue_Mar 31, 2016 8:08 AM
JizzyHitler said: I'm so excited for the CGI film, square visual works are gods of CGI and ive been wanting them to make another movie again. too bad the casting of sean bean spoils that regis |
phreeak said: You are thinking of the spirits within not advent children, they never released any statement on AC's budget but did say the movie was a financial success and some people have estimated it was around 30 million in budget. The reason they never released a budget for it is cause like the FFXV movie there never was one, it was basically as much as it takes until visual works finished the movie, unlike other shorts visual works are alot cheaper since everything they produce is inhouse and made on fixed by the hour payments of its staff rather than commissioned paychecks, they are a part of square and work daily on stuff.JizzyHitler said: Theres no way it will be that much, advent children wasnt actually that high a budget either, square's vsual works department already has all the tech they needed for this and i think they are all already on payroll and constantly making game openings and cutscenes. Im guessing the movie was made partially due to the team not having stuff to work on during the long development time for FFXV Rumors saying the budget of Advent Children was around 100 to 135 millionen Dollar. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
TheLittleRedHero said: Absolutely. The ONA is related to the events of XV alone. Experience with previous FF games is unnecessary, as each main game in the franchise has its own unique world and characters.is it fine for me to watch the series without playing most of the FF Games? Illyricus said: Sean Bean in the cast of the movie? That wouldn't end well for sure. garydai said: Good luck, Sean Bean.Sean Bean's character is probably going to die. |
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JizzyHitler said: You are thinking of the spirits within not advent children, they never released any statement on AC's budget but did say the movie was a financial success and some people have estimated it was around 30 million in budget. The reason they never released a budget for it is cause like the FFXV movie there never was one, it was basically as much as it takes until visual works finished the movie, unlike other shorts visual works are alot cheaper since everything they produce is inhouse and made on fixed by the hour payments of its staff rather than commissioned paychecks, they are a part of square and work daily on stuff. yeh sorry it was Spirits Within. But Advent Children wasn much cheaper.. At least 50mio best. Not less. Saw the budget of "Space Pirate Captain Harlock" .. really small budget with 30mio, but comes from Toei and their underpayed worker ;D . Would say this wont be a 100mio + production, more like 20-30mio over Harlock. But still too much for a normal anime series, if one Episode costs more than a whole season of 12 episodes. |
NiQue_Mar 31, 2016 10:22 AM
black1blade said: "A-1 pictures" I lietally fucking lol'd at that. FFXV is totally unappealing to me in almost every way, I wont be watching this probably shitty show from a shitty mcdonalds studio. shaft fan lmao, and yet the anime has over the top quality by A-1 |
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JudeMaxwell said: black1blade said: "A-1 pictures" I lietally fucking lol'd at that. FFXV is totally unappealing to me in almost every way, I wont be watching this probably shitty show from a shitty mcdonalds studio. shaft fan lmao, and yet the anime has over the top quality by A-1 Well I should probably give it a watch but I would rather watch other things. |
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Fai said: jc9622 said: . Unfortunately, the FF series hasn't been that good since FFX and Square Enix is making a huge comeback with FFXV, the game that has been in development for a decade now. Factually incorrect. FF12 was brilliant. FF14 is great FF13 was from bad to meh to okay And FFXV does not show any signs of being a "comeback:". God, if it was ALL female, you would shut your mouth and say best game ever, if it's all males you find every retarded reason to shitpost your salt all over it, just go back to fapping with RWBY , you are worse than this generation's ''feminist'' girls |
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Fai said: Yehart said: From what you're saying I mean, seems you've obviously played it to see that there're 0 important female characters. The main cast is all male. It is described as a road trip(hell the writers outright said that they did not add a female into main cast because "it would ruin the guys road trip idea"). One of the only two known females was literally written out of the show and next is a generic sexist stereotype of "supporter". Thats pretty much all that needs to be known about this. That character you said was written out of the show was not. She's Noctis's fiancee and she is definitely there. The game starts off with the guys heading towards Noctis's wedding (probably after a lads weekend) and all hell has broken loose. All we know initially is that the guys are heading towards his fiancee's place. That's it. We don't know if she will become a playable character, we don't know about other female characters (apart from the mechanic) BECAUSE IT'S A SPOILER TO SAY WHO ELSE BECOMES A PLAYABLE CHARACTER!!!!!! When X/2 came out no one was ranting that it was a vagina festival. Seriously get over the bishounen hangup! So many fans now-days are so hung-up over whether a show will appeal to the fujoshi fanbase. Who cares? If you're not a fujoshi yet still enjoy it is that a problem? Does it really matter if some other demographic likes the game as well as you?? |
scruffykiwiMar 31, 2016 4:14 PM
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| No joke, for a second i couldn't tell if it was CGI or real. |
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| I'm not watching this till I finish the game :I |
| Kingsglaive looks pretty fucking good. |
| Woot! It's been so long since the last FF anime (not to mention movie) |
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MrAwesome2016 said: I had to do a double take a couple times the first time i saw it, when showing it to my friend he was surprised a bit through when he realized it wasnt real actors.No joke, for a second i couldn't tell if it was CGI or real. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Cool I guess. Didn't really care about anything post FFX, but maybe I'll pick up XV if this turns out good. Still hoping for FF6 cartoon...one day! |
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| When Square Enix actually puts their whole heart into things, they can create complete works of art with deep stories, beautiful music, and interesting game mechanics. It seems like they are doing that for the world of FFXV. I'm excited! :D |
"Oh hey, I've got an idea! Next time let's eat our snacks together! Snack time is so much more fun when you have someone sweet to share it with." -Shiro (Deadman Wonderland)  |
| On-topic: Kingslaive looks gorgeous. Storylines tend to be hit or miss with FF movies, so I expect a full-on buffet with the visuals and expect a lot of other things, such as storyline, to possibly take a backseat. :x Also, gotta love the all-star cast…Lena Headey, Aaron Paul, so cool! I've seen the first few episodes of Brotherhood and really enjoyed it…probably more than I will with Kingslaive simply because I'm more interested in Noctis and his friends than his parents but it'll still be interesting to see a full 3D Final Fantasy film, you know? Off-topic: There's been a lot of discussion thrown back and forth about CGI vs hand-drawn 2D stuff so I'd like to offer my two cents on it… I was with a team where we had to make a decision a few months ago about going full on 2D versus 3D and we eventually opted for 3D because 1.) it's cheaper and easier…you simply make the assets by modeling/texturing and placing them in the scene and 2) the camera angles and shot changes were easier to make. As far as production pipeline goes, hand-drawn frame-by-frame animation is FAR MORE TIME-CONSUMING than it's worth if you don't have a massive team or budget and if you have to redo a camera angle, you basically have to completely redraw the entire shot which is incredibly annoying and time-consuming. I didn't think the guys I was working with could really mesh their hand-drawn styles together cohesively (and I didn't want to draw a ton of key poses for them to basically sloppily draw the in-betweens) so 3D felt like a much more natural choice for the piece as well as our team's skill. Animation is rarely "one way is always better" than the other. You have to kind of opt for 2D or 3D based on how appropriate the decision is for the individual project as well as the skill level of the artists you're working with. As for me, I personally love and need both in my life. Both are artforms and both are incredibly difficult to achieve successfully. For the people that respect 2D, people like me thank you! You keep the appreciation of the original artform alive! For the people that love 3D, we also thank you! You keep the budget more uhh…manageable, especially if the piece is a lengthy one and we need to swap out assets quickly. On the subject of toon-shading, it's actually cheaper and easier than regular textures, especially if you use a built-in shader. The range of color values are reduced and shadows sort of coalesce into a smaller range of values (which is always adjustable) to give your objects a sort of cool-looking cartoonish vibe. This often requires a regular color render pass (for the simple textures) and possibly a second render for the outline pass (which can be later composited in a program like AE) to be laid overtop… But considering how SIMPLE it is to usually calculate toon-shading, you're saving yourself a TON of render time due to how much simpler it is to calculate your scene pixel-by-pixel. While a simple 200-frame render pass of a scene could normally take me a couple of days, a toon-shaded scene (especially in a default render engine like Maya software) could only take a few hours. That's actually kind of the nice thing about toon-shading. |
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