| Do you agree with Glass Reflection/GRARkada's catchphrase? Just in case: par·a·mount (păr′ə-mount′) adj. 1. Of chief concern or importance: (IDK if there's threads like this but I searched "Ending is Paramount" and got nothing so yeah) |
| Could never be bothered to type up the definition, don't disagree but don't agree. This proves I am a lazy fuck. |
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| Unless the ending is really bad and / or disappointing, I wouldn't quite call it paramount. I dropped Toradora from a 10/10 to a 9/10 because of the ending, but it was only a single point lost. The ending is impotant but not so overstated to the point where I'd call it paramount. |
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| is there example for it? i don't really know about them. |
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| Like @Rimpey said, I don't disagree, but neither do I completely agree. I think it a good ending can add to a show, and a bad ending can detract, but it certainly is not paramount. More often than not though, bad stories in general will have a bad ending. |
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Kuma said: is there example for it? i don't really know about them. Example of what, exactly? Endings that are paramount? |
CapitalistGod said: yes, is there a series that they are very rely on ending to be good? the ending is the only one that worth to watch? seriously, i am confusing here. maybe example can be better explanation.Kuma said: is there example for it? i don't really know about them. Example of what, exactly? Endings that are paramount? |
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Kuma said: yes, is there a series that they are very rely on ending to be good? the ending is the only one that worth to watch? seriously, i am confusing here. maybe example can be better explanation. A satisfying ending that concludes well and ties loose ends is what GRArkada usually means when he says this so... I would say the ending of Clannad: After Story |
| Nope, I can understand why it's important for him but I don't care that much about it. |
| As anime watcher solely that doesnt follow manga, I always emphasized ending a bit more. However, since I always marathon all my anime, I always knew when anime's final episode. So I kinda anticipated "how you gonna wrap up this anime with 2 or 3 episode left" I always prefer ending with a bang, then a bit of conclusion (but plz no last fight that only lasted 3 minutes). Im listing couple of ending and my comment about it. 1. Beelzebub There was big arc that ended about 10 episode before final. I dunno either studio run out of money or something, but I kinda dislike "filler" in last part. But most annoying is that very last episode.... troll. 2. Hataraku Maou-sama! Same as above, IIRC last episode kinda like filler 3. Medaka Box Abnormal Nice conclusion at 2nd last episode. Then the story tell about another badass badguy? at the last episode. eh?! 4. FSN UBW 2nd Season Super nice conclusion at 2nd last episode. Epilogue in last episode is super neat. 5. Seikon no Qwaser 2nd Season Series was terrible, but this got awesome ending and made me want to look forward for future series. Probably there are more other It might be affect 0.5 or 1 score point, but not more (unless it can me cry like a bitch) |
| Nah, i dont think sharing anime ratings in signature is cool thing. Here, stare at this pointless signature instead. |
| Not really, infact, I like it better when shows leave a few things unanswered (not unanswerable, implying a plot hole). Although I guess inconclusiveness, when it's deliberate, can be considered a legitimate kind of ending by itself, so I probably am not answering the real question. |
| It doesn't apply to all anime, the overall presentation matters more. |
| I agree, though probably not as much as Arkada does. A "read the manga" ending doesn't annoy me that much. I'm just sort of disappointed I didn't get to see the rest of the thing animated. Conclusive endings that are packed into the last 10 minutes of the final episode are what really get to me. |
5hineJan 27, 2016 3:34 AM
| Nope, I don't care about the ending because I don't care about story. As long as there are interesting characters I'm satisfied. |
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5hine said: I agree, though probably not as much as Arkada does. A "read the manga" ending doesn't annoy me that much. I'm just sort of disappointed I didn't get to see the rest of the thing animated. Conclusive endings that are packed into the last 10 minutes of the final episode are what really get to me. |
| Do you know that one of the more famous anime, Neon Genesis Evangelion, has an absolutely crappy ending? It's so bad that the author made two or three alternate endings (and while they have better budget than the original one, they don't make any more sense. Maybe even less sense.). |
ItsMaz said: Unless the ending is really bad and / or disappointing, I wouldn't quite call it paramount. This. A good ending could be a strong plus, but it's not essential. A bad – or even worse, incomplete – ending could really ruin a series. At least as regards story-driven series. |
| Ending is very important. It's where all ideas conclude. But I won't say that a shitty ending necessarily ruin the whole show. It can, but a good show doesn't just build up towards the ending. It creates plenty of worthwhile things in the journey towards it. |
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| Yeah, I do agree with that. Almost all my favourite shows have stunning endings. As a conclusion they're obviously very important, unless the show is episodic. |
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| It's the journey that's more important, not the destination imo. |
| Yes, it is very important. It needs to be logical and impactful. While a bad ending doesn't necessarily ruin a show, it most certainly hurts it. ItsMaz said: I dropped Toradora from a 10/10 to a 9/10 because of the ending Did you watch past the end credits? |
AltoRoark99 said: Yes, it is very important. It needs to be logical and impactful. While a bad ending doesn't necessarily ruin a show, it most certainly hurts it. ItsMaz said: I dropped Toradora from a 10/10 to a 9/10 because of the ending Did you watch past the end credits? People always ask me that when I say I was disappointed with the ending :P Every time without fail lol :P I did indeed watch past the credits. |
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| Nope. It's only one thing. There is no reason for it to be the most important thing. Maybe in mystery anime since they rely heavily on the conclusion on the mystery. But I'm not going to call something shit when I thought it was good because of a bad ending, I'm not that arbitrary. |
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I felt the same way but then And I didn't care anymore. And the past credit scenes has some charm to it. |
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| I completely agree. I value the ending of a show highly. It determines my enjoyment of the show, 100%. For instance: Tokyo Ghoul R2: bad show, but I liked the ending. I have fond memories of watching it Deadman Wonderland: nice show, terrible ending. Wouldn't really recommend it because of that. |
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| madoka magika rebellion, i dropped it from an 8 to a 6 because of the ending, same with mirai nikki, though the ending is not paramount when i'm watching the show, it is when scoring the thing (if that makes sense) |
Drobie said: A strong conclusion is important but I believe in a strong balance throughout. Pretty much this. A good ending can "save" a bad anime. A bad ending can ruin a "ruin a good anime. However, A good ending doesn't mean that everything is ok. Or a bad ending doesn't mean I will simply disregard everything else. Sorry if I don't make any sense. |
Seiya0890 said: But its still disgusting from my point of view, and from the word's point of view, therefore its disgusting. Wise words. |
| The ending is indeed important but in my opinion (or at least I haven't seen) an anime that actually relies so much on its ending enough for it to be the most important thing. |
| If I'd care that much about endings I wouldn't be watching the shit out of a medium that mostly just teases its source material. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Yep a great ending can make bad anime enjoyable and memorable but a great start with a shitty ending will always result in a bad anime. I mean look a AZ... |
| Big Order (TV):great anime or greatest anime? |
| A ending to me can make or break an anime. An ending is what ties everything together. Its the goal or the conclusion to what has happen thus far. Imagine if Code Geass or FMAB had bad or not so good endings. You most likely will knock them down a peg. For example, Shiki ending was bad. Everything before that was just great. But the ending left such a sour taste that I don't want to go back to it. The ending is suppose to make you feel like everything that has happened prior to was worth it. If it doesn't then you can't help but feel like: "What was it all for?" It makes you feel like you could have skipped all this bullshit if this was what you were getting. So for me the ending would be paramount. It was has the most important job. Which is finishing the story. Well at least to me. |
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Antearion said: A ending to me can make or break an anime. An ending is what ties everything together. Its the goal or the conclusion to what has happen thus far. Imagine if Code Geass or FMAB had bad or not so good endings. You most likely will knock them down a peg. For example, Shiki ending was bad. Everything before that was just great. But the ending left such a sour taste that I don't want to go back to it. The ending is suppose to make you feel like everything that has happened prior to was worth it. If it doesn't then you can't help but feel like: "What was it all for?" It makes you feel like you could have skipped all this bullshit if this was what you were getting. So for me the ending would be paramount. It was has the most important job. Which is finishing the story. Well at least to me. So you are saying you would completely disregard an anime that had a great run, but a bad ending, and like and anime that had a bad run, and a good ending? Well, I don't get that. |
Seiya0890 said: But its still disgusting from my point of view, and from the word's point of view, therefore its disgusting. Wise words. |
AltoRoark99 said: Yes, it is very important. It needs to be logical and impactful. While a bad ending doesn't necessarily ruin a show, it most certainly hurts it. ItsMaz said: I dropped Toradora from a 10/10 to a 9/10 because of the ending Did you watch past the end credits? Oh...wait a minute... I watched Toradora twice and never watched this.... lol. There's a f****** end credit scene? Then, again... I was quite satisfied with what happened without watching that end credit scene.. haha! |
CapitalistGod said: AltoRoark99 said: Yes, it is very important. It needs to be logical and impactful. While a bad ending doesn't necessarily ruin a show, it most certainly hurts it. Did you watch past the end credits? Oh...wait a minute... I watched Toradora twice and never watched this.... lol. There's a f****** end credit scene? Then, again... I was quite satisfied with what happened without watching that end credit scene.. haha! You need to watch the end credits man XD |
| It's true for me. I'll drop the score of an anime I was really enjoying quite a bit if the ending wasn't anything special. I've also scored anime much higher than I had them throughout the series if the ending turns out to be terrific. So..yeah, imo the ending is really important. |
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tsudecimo said: Nope. It's only one thing. There is no reason for it to be the most important thing. Maybe in mystery anime since they rely heavily on the conclusion on the mystery. But I'm not going to call something shit when I thought it was good because of a bad ending, I'm not that arbitrary. Good mystery stories don't just rely on the BIG TWIST. They can still have characters, exciting moments, and building tension not just with the cheap technique of withholding information. Se7en and Danganronpa are perfect examples. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: tsudecimo said: Nope. It's only one thing. There is no reason for it to be the most important thing. Maybe in mystery anime since they rely heavily on the conclusion on the mystery. But I'm not going to call something shit when I thought it was good because of a bad ending, I'm not that arbitrary. Good mystery stories don't just rely on the BIG TWIST. They can still have characters, exciting moments, and building tension not just with the cheap technique of withholding information. Se7en and Danganronpa are perfect examples. .... Where did I even mention a big twist. I said conclusion as in ending. And where did I say ''rely just on'' I said heavily. |
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katsaroulhs said: Antearion said: A ending to me can make or break an anime. An ending is what ties everything together. Its the goal or the conclusion to what has happen thus far. Imagine if Code Geass or FMAB had bad or not so good endings. You most likely will knock them down a peg. For example, Shiki ending was bad. Everything before that was just great. But the ending left such a sour taste that I don't want to go back to it. The ending is suppose to make you feel like everything that has happened prior to was worth it. If it doesn't then you can't help but feel like: "What was it all for?" It makes you feel like you could have skipped all this bullshit if this was what you were getting. So for me the ending would be paramount. It was has the most important job. Which is finishing the story. Well at least to me. So you are saying you would completely disregard an anime that had a great run, but a bad ending, and like and anime that had a bad run, and a good ending? Well, I don't get that. Oh no I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying, well what I said lol. First off to me at least a bad anime can't have a good ending. Most people drop an anime they think is bad even before they reach the end. katsaroulhs said: Antearion said: A ending to me can make or break an anime. An ending is what ties everything together. Its the goal or the conclusion to what has happen thus far. Imagine if Code Geass or FMAB had bad or not so good endings. You most likely will knock them down a peg. For example, Shiki ending was bad. Everything before that was just great. But the ending left such a sour taste that I don't want to go back to it. The ending is suppose to make you feel like everything that has happened prior to was worth it. If it doesn't then you can't help but feel like: "What was it all for?" It makes you feel like you could have skipped all this bullshit if this was what you were getting. So for me the ending would be paramount. It was has the most important job. Which is finishing the story. Well at least to me. So you are saying you would completely disregard an anime that had a great run, but a bad ending, and like and anime that had a bad run, and a good ending? Well, I don't get that. No I'm not saying that. I'm saying... Well what I said lol. First in my opioion you can't have a good ending to a bad anime. Most people who think that the anime is bad usually drops it. How can you say you have a good ending when most people don't get half way through it? Second "bad and "good" are subjective. There no why to say something is good or bad because depending on who you asked that's the answer they will give you. Third, yes even if the anime had a good run, but had a "bad" ending by my standards I most likely will not watch it again. For me a ending is suppose to, well end something. If it doesn't then to me its incomplete. Two examples of this. The first being Death Note. I loved Death Note. Thought it was amazing until the end. I had a problem with not the way they choose to end it, but the way the executed it. But never the less it felt like a ending. But as for the second example, Shiki. Had an ending that felt like it was missing one more episode or two. To me your ending should never make you go "WTF?". When you have a list of questions that will never be answered because the ending didn't wrap things up properly. Then yes I will disregard that anime. And you can say "Oh that was a open ending.". No. Code Geass had a open ending. FMAB had an open ending. Gurren Lagann had open ending. An open ending is susoppse to make you imagine what happened next after the conclusion. You don't know, but all the tools are there for you. A ending like the one in Shiki is not one of those. And this is why I say the ending is the most important to anime or any story. |
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| It depends. Of course, an ending can absolutely break a show. So it's better when the story arrives somewhere, and this somewhere makes sense. On the other hand, it happens so rarely, that I am now treating anime and manga as a process - it's good until it's good. Maybe the first half works, but the second doesn't, in that case thanks to the first one. it's just that... well-made endings are too much of a rarity, and manga simply doesn't end. But it depends on the show whether it's applicable or not. |
Kuma said: Natsume's book of friends is there example for it? i don't really know about them. Just kiddings |
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tsudecimo said: TheBrainintheJar said: Good mystery stories don't just rely on the BIG TWIST. They can still have characters, exciting moments, and building tension not just with the cheap technique of withholding information. Se7en and Danganronpa are perfect examples. .... Where did I even mention a big twist. I said conclusion as in ending. And where did I say ''rely just on'' I said heavily. Mystery/thrillers often rely on a big twist on the ending that's meant to be surprising. But it needs to do more than just surprise. The strength of these works is that the twists are either meaningful even if you can predict them, or that they're not the focus. |
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| An ending is important it gives conclusion , resolution and everything comes to place but The Journey is as much important as the destination for me because If the journey sucked I wouldn't be able to reach my destination without it leaving bad taste in my mouth so will make the end product feel bland so the ending is important yes but so is the beginning and middle |
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| While I think Arkada is a good reviewer, I do think his philosophy on anime critique is slightly flawed in the statement, "ending is paramount." An ending can separate a masterpiece from a good/great anime, or turn a potential masterpiece into just a great/good anime, but I don't think it is the most important part of dissecting an anime. The way I see it, if you create a great plot with great characters within a great setting, then you've succeeded at your goal no matter what happens in the end. In the words of Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Life is a journey, not a destination." The same can be applied to storytelling. While the ending is an important and crucial part of storytelling, it is not THE most important part of storytelling. With that being said, I don't think that necessarily makes Arkada 100% wrong, because when it comes to anime critique, he has every right to invest a deep personal focus on any part of anime because that's what defines him as an anime reviewer. If he thinks that the ending is the most important part of an anime, then so be it. He has every right to believe that and so do other people. Personally speaking though, I find it really shallow to put that much of a focus on the ending. Like I said, the ending is important, but it should not ultimately define the anime. |
| there are good anime with bad endings - death note there are bad anime with bad endings - FMAB there are bad anime with no ending - hxh |
| nah google Peak-End Rule its both or either the Peaks or Ending |
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