| It's terrible, no talent required whatsoever. |
when ur about to have a refreshing sip of earl grey tea and someone says "traps are gay" |
| It's vaporwave inverted. Before anyone posts it I know this already right https://nightcorevaporwave.bandcamp.com/ It probably helps the industry in a perverse way, people hear a nightcore track and then want to hear the original. |
| No effort, lowest tier muzak. |
| It's aesthetically kawaii tho. That is what's most important. |
| Usually if I listen to original first, nightcore is meh. Rarely I will listen to nightcore first and have a decent opinion of it. Nowadays I do not listen to it at all :/ |
| I used to like it but then I realized all of them sound the same. Sped-up, higher pitch, lazy effort. |
| my opinion why is it even a genre? |
| “Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, then it's not the end.” ― Ed Sheeran |
| I liked it a lot when I was like 14 or so. Nowadays I'd rather listen to regular trance or DnB if I want something along those lines |
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| I've considered putting random dance tracks in Audacity and increase the speed by 15% and publish the tracks under the artist name DJ Moog. I'm totally a legitimate musician, guys!!! |
Moog said: I've considered putting random dance tracks in Audacity and increase the speed by 15% and publish the tracks under the artist name DJ Moog. I'm totally a legitimate musician, guys!!! Don't make jokes. Do this you promised. |
| Its so unnecessary, when I am looking for a song on Youtube and all I found is fucking Nightcore version. GTFO |
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| It's bad, just bad, you should feel bad for liking it..... |
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| ENOUGH FUCKING NIGHTCORE THREADS! MikeHardcore9 said: Does it hurt the music industry? Doubt it, especially with Bandcamp artists can sell their music and literally be part of the music industry. So if anything it technically grows it. I personally don't care for the genre at all, closest I get to it is No Loli-Gagging, but he's much more associated with lolicore and samplecore. Also, I dislike the genre just because I dislike how it sounds. I'm perfectly fine with plunderphonics (music that's heavily sample based where the musician uses mostly effects) and low effort music. |
| I dislike it, they usually ruin songs by just putting it in Audacity or some shit and clicking the "Change speed" button, then uploading it and in some cases making money off of it, no talent required. Sure if you like that stuff go ahead but people who actually make money from it are disgusting. |
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| I don't think it sounds good at all. Also, can it even be considered a genre? Taking an existing song, changing not but the speed of it and re-uploading it can hardly been considered a different song, so I don't see how the genre of the original track would change. At least with Vaporwave, tracks were sampled, cut, pitched down and looped to create something a bit different and some artists create entirely new tracks altogether. I doubt it's harming the industry as long as they're not selling these songs as there own creation. |
Koybz said: I don't think it sounds good at all. Also, can it even be considered a genre? Taking an existing song, changing not but the speed of it and re-uploading it can hardly been considered a different song, so I don't see how the genre of the original track would change. At least with Vaporwave, tracks were sampled, cut, pitched down and looped to create something a bit different and some artists create entirely new tracks altogether. I doubt it's harming the industry as long as they're not selling these songs as there own creation. Nightcore is a genre Also, vaporwave and nightcore even share a parent genre, plunderphonics. It's just that the other parent genres for these genres are different, here's a chart I just made to make this clear (I also put two vaporwave subgenres).  As you can see both genres have a parent genre of plunderphonics. Plunderphonics came from experimental, but not all genres that fall under this are actually experimental. Nightcore is more associated with being a trance genre but that doesn't change that it's also plunderphonics. You can also look at future funk which is like vaporwave's nightcore. It doesn't speed anything up but it's very upbeat and danceable. Is it experimental like vaporwave? No not all. But is it plunderphonics? Yes. So nightcore is a genre and is technically connected to vaporwave for both being plunderphonics genres. Ah, the complicated beauty of genres, subgenres, and their routes~ |
Shimapan-chanJan 16, 2016 10:08 AM
Shimapan-chan said: Nightcore is a genre As you can see both genres have a parent genre of plunderphonics. Plunderphonics came from experimental, but not all genres that fall under this are actually experimental. Nightcore is more associated with being a trance genre but that doesn't change that it's also plunderphonics. You can also look at future funk which is like vaporwave's nightcore. It doesn't speed anything up but it's very upbeat and danceable. Is it experimental like vaporwave? No not all. But is it plunderphonics? Yes. So nightcore is a genre and is technically connected to vaporwave for both being plunderphonics genres. Ah, the complicated beauty of genres, subgenres, and their routes~ I get that Nightcore comes from Plunderphonics, but my argument is that the only similarities Nightcore tracks tend to share is their pitch and I'm wondering if that is enough to have a whole genre dedicated to songs that have very little connection to each other at all. You say that Nightcore is more associated with trance, but there is pretty much a Nightcore version of almost any slightly popular track you can think of. Unless I haven't explored the genre enough and Nightcore "artists" have gotten more creative over the past few years, I don't see how tracks that would never usually be grouped together suddenly become associated under one genre because they both have an anime picture attached to their video and share a high pitch. Here's a small example: I guess you could say that they fall under different subgenres of nightcore, but I don't know enough about it or care enough to explore the genre further if this is all nightcore still is. I just consider them the same genre they were originally. |
Koybz said: Shimapan-chan said: Nightcore is a genre As you can see both genres have a parent genre of plunderphonics. Plunderphonics came from experimental, but not all genres that fall under this are actually experimental. Nightcore is more associated with being a trance genre but that doesn't change that it's also plunderphonics. You can also look at future funk which is like vaporwave's nightcore. It doesn't speed anything up but it's very upbeat and danceable. Is it experimental like vaporwave? No not all. But is it plunderphonics? Yes. So nightcore is a genre and is technically connected to vaporwave for both being plunderphonics genres. Ah, the complicated beauty of genres, subgenres, and their routes~ I get that Nightcore comes from Plunderphonics, but my argument is that the only similarities Nightcore tracks tend to share is their pitch and I'm wondering if that is enough to have a whole genre dedicated to songs that have very little connection to each other at all. You say that Nightcore is more associated with trance, but there is pretty much a Nightcore version of almost any slightly popular track you can think of. Unless I haven't explored the genre enough and Nightcore "artists" have gotten more creative over the past few years, I don't see how tracks that would never usually be grouped together suddenly become associated under one genre because they both have an anime picture attached to their video and share a high pitch. Here's a small example: I guess you could say that they fall under different subgenres of nightcore, but I don't know enough about it or care enough to explore the genre further if this is all nightcore still is. I just consider them the same genre they were originally. I've only really heard the trance variety and can't stand nightcore. I do believe though that it started with trance and pop then branched out though. I wasn't defending nightcore, I was defending genres as a whole. Also, really tiny things can create a new genre. This is getting a bit off-topic but look at grindcore and its fuck wad of genres. They'll seriously make a new genre entirely based on lyrical themes, samples used for intros (and often slight composition differences). These are different genres, gorenoise and pornoise Also both of those are metal and noise subgenres. Genres can be a mess sometimes but that doesn't exclude things from being a genre just because someone (or a lot of someones) say that enough isn't being done. Once the genre has been established it's there. EDIT: Also, the stuff being pitched up is what ties nightcore together. I know that it isn't as tight-knit as vaporwave is but vaporwave doesn't just use 80s pop, jazz, elevator music, and so on. Just look at that Drake and Josh album, of course I'm 99% sure it was made as a joke but that doesn't exclude it from being vaporwave. (sorry for late edit my internet is shit) |
Shimapan-chanJan 16, 2016 10:39 AM
Hmm, yeah I get you. I guess my distaste for the genre has led me to try and refuse to acknowledge it's legitimacy, but I can't deny that Nightcore is still technically a form of plunderphonics, even if it is taking the term to the extreme with how lazy the whole thing is. Genre's sure are weird and definitely outside my area of expertise, so I'll leave it at that. Yeah Vaporwave is becoming quite a broad term too, I mean you now have ambient albums falling under the vaporwave tag, simply because they share the same aesthetic, but no one ever claims that this album isn't vaporwave. |
KoybzJan 16, 2016 10:55 AM
Koybz said: Hmm, yeah I get you. I guess my distaste for the genre has led me to try and refuse to acknowledge it's legitimacy, but I can't deny that Nightcore is still technically a form of plunderphonics, even if it is taking the term to the extreme with how lazy the whole thing is. Genre's sure are weird and definitely outside my area of expertise, so I'll leave it at that. Yeah Vaporwave is becoming quite a broad term too, I mean you now have ambient albums falling under the vaporwave tag, simply because they share the same aesthetic, but no one ever claims that this album isn't vaporwave. Well, there's an ambient subgenre of vaporwave called mallsoft, maybe you're getting it confused with that? If you haven't heard of it DEFINITELY check it out. It's conceptually the most brilliant genre ever. Here's copy pasta from last.fm explaining it: "Mallsoft is distinct from its cousin Vaporwave by using ethereal, vague music that is very easily looped as 'background' music. The genius of mallsoft is that it's NOT meant to be paid attention to, it's not distinct. It's meant to be left on repeat while the 'listener' does other things. The repetition of the music eventually forces its way into the listener's mind subconsciously, to be recalled at later date as a memory of something that may or may not have happened. Mallsoft is the ultimate commentary on our ADD, twitter-obsessed generation that can't focus on one task at a time, much less an entire album. Mallsoft is essentially the ultimate realization of a concept being so "post" it ceases to even exist in the same realm and enters the realm of entirely self parody and therefore creates an endless loop within itself." It works too, listened to a few albums while working on stuff and couldn't really remember what they were like. Check out 仮想夢プラザ he's t e l e p a t h テレパシー能力者 https://virtualdreamplaza.bandcamp.com/ |
| Trash & I often see people ruining good songs by changing the pitch and then calling it Nightcore, trash. |
Where the fuck did Monday go? |
Shimapan-chan said: Koybz said: Hmm, yeah I get you. I guess my distaste for the genre has led me to try and refuse to acknowledge it's legitimacy, but I can't deny that Nightcore is still technically a form of plunderphonics, even if it is taking the term to the extreme with how lazy the whole thing is. Genre's sure are weird and definitely outside my area of expertise, so I'll leave it at that. Yeah Vaporwave is becoming quite a broad term too, I mean you now have ambient albums falling under the vaporwave tag, simply because they share the same aesthetic, but no one ever claims that this album isn't vaporwave. Well, there's an ambient subgenre of vaporwave called mallsoft, maybe you're getting it confused with that? If you haven't heard of it DEFINITELY check it out. It's conceptually the most brilliant genre ever. Here's copy pasta from last.fm explaining it: "Mallsoft is distinct from its cousin Vaporwave by using ethereal, vague music that is very easily looped as 'background' music. The genius of mallsoft is that it's NOT meant to be paid attention to, it's not distinct. It's meant to be left on repeat while the 'listener' does other things. The repetition of the music eventually forces its way into the listener's mind subconsciously, to be recalled at later date as a memory of something that may or may not have happened. Mallsoft is the ultimate commentary on our ADD, twitter-obsessed generation that can't focus on one task at a time, much less an entire album. Mallsoft is essentially the ultimate realization of a concept being so "post" it ceases to even exist in the same realm and enters the realm of entirely self parody and therefore creates an endless loop within itself." It works too, listened to a few albums while working on stuff and couldn't really remember what they were like. Check out 仮想夢プラザ he's t e l e p a t h テレパシー能力者 https://virtualdreamplaza.bandcamp.com/ Oh, it has its own subgenre, that actually makes a lot of sense. Thanks, I might save that link for when I'm actually working on something then since that seems to be the whole point of the genre though the little I did listen to of it sounds quite dreamy. |
| No, it's just shitty remixes made by 13 year olds on youtube. I've always hated it almost as much as "chipmunk'd" music. |
Shimapan-chan said: Koybz said: I don't think it sounds good at all. Also, can it even be considered a genre? Taking an existing song, changing not but the speed of it and re-uploading it can hardly been considered a different song, so I don't see how the genre of the original track would change. At least with Vaporwave, tracks were sampled, cut, pitched down and looped to create something a bit different and some artists create entirely new tracks altogether. I doubt it's harming the industry as long as they're not selling these songs as there own creation. Nightcore is a genre Also, vaporwave and nightcore even share a parent genre, plunderphonics. It's just that the other parent genres for these genres are different, here's a chart I just made to make this clear (I also put two vaporwave subgenres). As you can see both genres have a parent genre of plunderphonics. Plunderphonics came from experimental, but not all genres that fall under this are actually experimental. Nightcore is more associated with being a trance genre but that doesn't change that it's also plunderphonics. You can also look at future funk which is like vaporwave's nightcore. It doesn't speed anything up but it's very upbeat and danceable. Is it experimental like vaporwave? No not all. But is it plunderphonics? Yes. So nightcore is a genre and is technically connected to vaporwave for both being plunderphonics genres. Ah, the complicated beauty of genres, subgenres, and their routes~ Forgot Nightstep and chopped n screwed and newbreed damn it. Lolicore and bronycore is on the periphery of these and subgenres of dancecore / breakcore. |
FahtahSensei said: Shimapan-chan said: Nightcore is a genre Also, vaporwave and nightcore even share a parent genre, plunderphonics. It's just that the other parent genres for these genres are different, here's a chart I just made to make this clear (I also put two vaporwave subgenres). As you can see both genres have a parent genre of plunderphonics. Plunderphonics came from experimental, but not all genres that fall under this are actually experimental. Nightcore is more associated with being a trance genre but that doesn't change that it's also plunderphonics. You can also look at future funk which is like vaporwave's nightcore. It doesn't speed anything up but it's very upbeat and danceable. Is it experimental like vaporwave? No not all. But is it plunderphonics? Yes. So nightcore is a genre and is technically connected to vaporwave for both being plunderphonics genres. Ah, the complicated beauty of genres, subgenres, and their routes~ Forgot Nightstep and chopped n screwed and newbreed damn it. Lolicore and bronycore is on the periphery of these and subgenres of dancecore / breakcore. I thought I made it clear that I'm not familiar with nightcore subgenres. The genres of the graph have nothing to do with lolicore, bronycore, dancecore, breakcore, and so on and those genres have nothing to do with what Koybz and I were talking about. Please stay on topic. Chopped n screwed is plunderphonics too but didn't really fit with what we were talking about which was nightcore, vaporwave, their shared connection, and how easy it is to set a genre as a genre. I don't listen to newbreed so no clue on that. |
| OP asked two questions, opinion on nightcore and does it hurt the music industry. I will first express my opinion and so you know my point of view then share my little findings of the interaction between nightcore and the music industry. I enjoy sped up trance/hands up songs aka nightcore. Though not into the now ever growing 'nightcore' that include everything from pop to metal and every other genres people put 'nightcore' in the title. I like the pounding feeling in nightcore. eg M-Diva - Reaching Out (one of the first Nightcore song from the Norway duo in 2002) and Jens O. vs. Ti-Mo - Moonlight Nightcore (the duo from Norway) was inspired by the pitched up vocals in Scooter's Nessaja and The Logical Song. Nightcore reproduced the pitched up vocals by speeding up trance songs, which also bringing the beats per minute to hardcore music level (from 140 to 175). read more BPM of all original Nightcore songs “Nightcore means that we are the core of the night, so you’ll dance all night long” from Biography on original Nightcore website “Nightcore has become a style of music, a way to make the music happier – ‘happy hardcore’ as they say." from SuperSuper Magazine interview Nightcore So nightcore served as a gateway music, introduced me to trance, hands up and more hardcore music. Hell the music I liked to listen before finding nightcore was classical music. If it wasn't for nightcore, I would probably not explore the EDM world at all. About the hate on nightcore, I found this explains a lot. original post emilemil1 said: I think the initial backlash stems from people (and labels) looking at Nightcore as a remix, expecting some creative evolution of a song, and then ending up disappointed that's it's just sped up. Viewing Nightcore from that angle makes it seem like a cheap ripoff and totally not something that should be in any way encouraged. But when you look at it from another point of view, as simply enjoying the same song/genre in a slightly different way, then it becomes a lot more acceptable. A song can sound good and be promoted at multiple speeds and that's okay. I think the general public is finally starting to understand this, enough so that it might become commercially profitable. This has of course always been true, people just haven't realized it. The "DJ Splash Speed Mix" of Flying High was enormously popular, and it's Nightcore pretty much, with the only difference being that the speedup was by Splash himself and not someone else. And of course the name. The above quote concludes my opinion on nightcore. Moving on to the music industry part. I did some google searching about Nightcore in music industry but the original post was posted 2 years ago so may be outdated. In short there are two way on how nightcore affects the music industry. Negative and positive. Negative first. There are copyrighted 'nightcore' songs being sold on iTunes, Amazon and other music sites. http://itunes.apple.com/us/artist/nightcore/id590454798 http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/&field-keywords=nightcore As you can see there are people selling copyrighted 'nightcore' songs by hiding themselves behind masquerade of Artist: Nightcore and Label: Nightcore. read more Selling Nightcore songs/use of "Nightcore" in music industry - Nightcore Universe On the positive side, nightcore channels are promoting and quite a few producers are happy about it. One good example is Nigthcore Uprising aka NightcoreHandsUpCentral on Facebook. read more How producers/labels think of songs being nightcore'd - Nightcore Universe There are even more and more actualy producers selling legit nightcore songs of their own. DCX proceeded to sell more nightcore songs so they created a side project DCX Nightcore, DCX Nightcore - Spotify Then we have legit label uploading nightcore songs. Girls Only - I Knew You Were Trouble [Nightcore] LNG is Australia's premier music label - producers of quality dance music and the home of exciting local and international artists. Labels releasing nightcore compilations Various – Nightcore by Zoopreme – ZPRM 018 Fantasy Project Feat. N.D.A* – Nightcore Remixes - Best Of Vol.1 Fantasy Project Feat. N.D.A* – Nightcore Remixes - Best Of Vol.2 and ofc song about nightcore S3RL feat Tamika - Nightcore This So it is how nightcore affect music industry and vice versa ah almost forogt, there is also a nightcore channel on Digitally Imported - DI Radio http://www.di.fm/nightcore note for myself previous posts about nightcore on MAL http://myanimelist.net/forum/?action=search&q=nightcore |
HKO2006Jan 19, 2016 1:13 AM
| Most of it is poorly done but there is some that is pretty good and has more effort put into it than just a simple speed and pitch shift. Same with so called "daycore" which is the opposite, slower and deeper. |
Shimapan-chan said: I thought I made it clear that I'm not familiar with nightcore subgenres. The genres of the graph have nothing to do with lolicore, bronycore, dancecore, breakcore, and so on and those genres have nothing to do with what Koybz and I were talking about. Please stay on topic. Chopped n screwed is plunderphonics too but didn't really fit with what we were talking about which was nightcore, vaporwave, their shared connection, and how easy it is to set a genre as a genre. I don't listen to newbreed so no clue on that. The dancecore subgenres rely heavily on pop culture sampling therefore related to plunderphonics, and also internet memes...and speeded up pop tunes like nightcore. Newbreed is just another subdivision designation of second wave vaporwave. Nightstep is obviously nightcore with dubstep / brostep elements. |
| shit Whoever likes Nightcore has some bad music taste |
FahtahSensei said: Shimapan-chan said: I thought I made it clear that I'm not familiar with nightcore subgenres. The genres of the graph have nothing to do with lolicore, bronycore, dancecore, breakcore, and so on and those genres have nothing to do with what Koybz and I were talking about. Please stay on topic. Chopped n screwed is plunderphonics too but didn't really fit with what we were talking about which was nightcore, vaporwave, their shared connection, and how easy it is to set a genre as a genre. I don't listen to newbreed so no clue on that. The dancecore subgenres rely heavily on pop culture sampling therefore related to plunderphonics, and also internet memes...and speeded up pop tunes like nightcore. Newbreed is just another subdivision designation of second wave vaporwave. Nightstep is obviously nightcore with dubstep / brostep elements. Dancecore and mashcore and similar genres are not plunderphonics (or even related [of course this isn't for every artist, thirtytwobit. is mostly just distorted pop songs and glitching]). Lots of samples does not automatically equal plunderphonics. Are rappers plunderphonics artists too because the beats can be sample heavy? Anyways, regardless of your thoughts they're still unrelated to what we were talking about. |
Shimapan-chan said: Are rappers plunderphonics artists too because the beats can be sample heavy? Yes rappers are thieves and criminals and plagiarists and culturally appropriated European poetry. they should feel bad. plus Where is your god now |
FahtahSensei said: Shimapan-chan said: Are rappers plunderphonics artists too because the beats can be sample heavy? Yes rappers are thieves and criminals and plagiarists and culturally appropriated European poetry. they should feel bad. plus Where is your god now Death Grips are shit 0/10 |
Shimapan-chan said: Death Grips are shit 0/10 That's memegrips if you don't mind. Ok we agree on something. |
| its dumb as fuck literally just normal music except squeakier, only people who like it are like 13 year olds who just got into anime |
| I have a mate who's 50 years old and promotes and produces bronycore so whatever. |
FahtahSensei said: I have a mate who's 50 years old and promotes and produces bronycore so whatever. Dare I even ask what that is? |
| These genre names are dumb, and in no way describe the music that is being played. These genres don't actually exist. I don't like nightcore, it sounds like shit to me. |
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FahtahSensei said: Shimapan-chan said: Are rappers plunderphonics artists too because the beats can be sample heavy? Yes rappers are thieves and criminals and plagiarists and culturally appropriated European poetry. they should feel bad. I don't even like rap, but I'm going to ask you how you arrived on that? |
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ExampleZ said: FahtahSensei said: I have a mate who's 50 years old and promotes and produces bronycore so whatever. Dare I even ask what that is? It's edm / techno / trancecore or breakcore with mlpfim samples and themes. I guess you could call it lolicore for bronies. Personally I throw up in my mouth thinking about it. |
Dzutqo said: FahtahSensei said: Yes rappers are thieves and criminals and plagiarists and culturally appropriated European poetry. they should feel bad. I don't even like rap, but I'm going to ask you how you arrived on that? American blacks didn't invent the concept of reciting verse to rhythmic music or beats, certainly not verse itself, the concept goes back millenia in Europe, probably in parts of Asia as well. |
| Don't see the appeal at all. Seems like something people listen to when they get into anime for the first time because every nightcore song on youtube has an anime girl on it for some reason. |
Chantez said: Nah that is just a youtube thing. Its on trance and happy hardcore stuff too.Don't see the appeal at all. Seems like something people listen to when they get into anime for the first time because every nightcore song on youtube has an anime girl on it for some reason. |
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