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Jul 18, 2009 9:46 AM
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ashkon77 said:
I just noticed something....Maria gave the charms to Battler and Jessica in episode 2 I think and sais they protect against Beatrice. Then Maria tells Battler that he wasn't killed because of the charm....yet Battler says he didn't have it with him, and we saw Jessica give it to someone else (I think one of the people that died). This hints that Maria knew who was going to get killed, or at the very least knew that neither Battler or Jessica wouldn't get killed. Although I guess this isn't that surprising given how strange Maria acts. She did say she was Beatrice's messanger. And why doens't Battler suspect Maria after this???

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Jul 18, 2009 11:56 AM

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I think it's funny that Higurashi was on the TV.

And Maria's grin is awesome.
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Jul 18, 2009 1:57 PM
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Oh, god... so much blood. xD

And Maria is love. <3
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Jul 18, 2009 4:24 PM
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Nice relationship chart in case people are confused.---V

 
Jul 18, 2009 10:25 PM

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Some things I found of interest:



Now mind you, I hold no suspicions yet as to the whole whodunnit (or whatdunnit, for that matter) of this series thus far. I just think that if our culprit is being calculating (therefore is not necessarily doing this out of malice) about how he/she goes about this, then the way things were done had a blatant purpose to them.

I'm loving this series so far. It may be a completely unique and different story, but it has some of the flair that made Higurashi popular. I look forward to trying to figure this out before the end, if I can (I failed miserably w/ Higurashi).
 
Jul 18, 2009 10:41 PM
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Very nice relationship chart.

Let me write my humble thoughts so far.

Even if a supernatural witch Beatrice "exists" as Maria, Genji, Kanon, and Kumasawa says, I think that doesn't necessarily means that Beatrice is the culprit of murders.

And if one think about the epitaph, who knows the correct answer and who wants it to be solved?
It is said that Kinzo ordered the painting of Beatrice to be painted and engrave the epitaph. Does he know the true meaning of the epitaph and wishes somebody decode it? Or is it a challenge imposed by the witch Beatrice? Then why doesn't Kinzo himself decode it by himself to reunion with his love, Beatrice?

The epitaph reads like a procedure of certain ritual or something. Maybe all this murders are carried out by someone who believes that he himself decoded the epitaph and by following the rule his wishes will come true. Or maybe he is only misunderstanding it and obsessed with paranoia.

I think the most important point of the epitaph is that it says it can resurrect the dead and recover lost love. What does it mean? Are there any supernatural power which can resurrect the dead? Or is it only a metaphor of something? Or are those apparently dead people merely feigning death? Then for what end?

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Jul 18, 2009 11:54 PM

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So, I'm watching Ghost Hunt (another Studio Deen show, by the way), and in episode 16, they talk about a curse called a Kodouku, which is performed by trapping a bunch of bugs or snakes, or whatever in a jar and waiting until they kill each other off. You take the one survivor and perform the curse by placing it in the house of the target. It posesses the house and brings in lots of wealth, but needs a human to be killed as an offering, or it eats and kills its owner. If they can't feed it, then they have to exchange all of their wealth and interest into gold and silver and throw it with the bug onto the road, thereby continuing the curse.

Sound familiar?
I think so too.
I wonder how much of this is the basis of Umineko. And if so, doesn't it sound like the only way for the murders to end is for the family to find and then give up the money?
 
Jul 19, 2009 2:06 AM

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I just read up to this point in the manga. Not much difference, but I think the manga is a little more creepier and more indepth.
 
Jul 19, 2009 2:24 AM

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noteDhero said:
So, I'm watching Ghost Hunt (another Studio Deen show, by the way), and in episode 16, they talk about a curse called a Kodouku, which is performed by trapping a bunch of bugs or snakes, or whatever in a jar and waiting until they kill each other off. You take the one survivor and perform the curse by placing it in the house of the target. It posesses the house and brings in lots of wealth, but needs a human to be killed as an offering, or it eats and kills its owner. If they can't feed it, then they have to exchange all of their wealth and interest into gold and silver and throw it with the bug onto the road, thereby continuing the curse.

Sound familiar?
I think so too.
I wonder how much of this is the basis of Umineko. And if so, doesn't it sound like the only way for the murders to end is for the family to find and then give up the money?


The first part of Umineko is a generic trapped on an island and people mysteriously die mystery. It's very common. But it's just Umineko's prologue. The real story hasn't started yet.
 
Jul 19, 2009 7:42 AM
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abrasicu said:

Oh well, if you putting it that way, it seems more "logical" now. I really pity Maria's mother for having to take care of such an annoying & problematic child though, ahhh...if only I can have Persona 4's MC power to go through the screen to comfort her on my manly chest...;d




I really liked how they made the stakes, really well.

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About the chessboard thing:

"Turn over the chessboard" means to look through the eyes of your oponent and predict his next move and the reaction of your turn.

In this case it means to look from the perpective of the killer.
Why does the Person act like "Beatrice" what is to gain and so on.

But what is if the culprint isn't human?
Will the game logic still work?


You totally had to pull that straight from the game. Which is why


Things are going along nicely and well. They made a bit too... suspicious of the servants during the kitchen scene.

And HELL YES. 問い詰め, Battler's pre-awesome theme. Made it a bit too quiet, but all is well.
 
Jul 19, 2009 11:10 AM

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Battler is an animal, dude.
Lovin' this showww.
 
Jul 19, 2009 12:00 PM

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SilentXenocide said:

But Studio Deen doesn't make Umineko, they didn't come up with the plot or anything.


I know, I'm just saying that Deen produced another horror type show outside of the 07th expansion stuff, and in the case of Ghost Hunt they don't do the whole bulgy eyes; though they do do a whole lot of the other stuff associated with their style.
 
Jul 19, 2009 12:55 PM

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The pacing for this episode was a lot better than the first two. Although I can understand why they wanted to get all the character introductions out of the way and get right into the meat of things. Hopefully this will be the pacing they use for the rest of the series and try not to skip over important character details in future episodes.

I do think they are going a bit over the top with Maria's facial expressions but
 
Jul 19, 2009 1:43 PM
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nice ep.
still really love the music ^^
 
Jul 19, 2009 5:26 PM

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The suspense of this anime is fantastic, the little girl scares me x=
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Jul 19, 2009 9:26 PM
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Episode was awesome,cool death scenes,good dialog,and tension...

Question tho..Is Higurashi a TV show in the Umineko Realm?
 
Jul 20, 2009 9:22 AM

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@ScooterT: Same atmosphere. No direct plot relation though.

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And I have a question. Battler vehemently refuses to believe in Beatrice and the supernatural. But Maria got a letter and an umbrella from Beatrice. Does Battler think Maria is lying, or too stupid to recognize one of her own family members? It just annoys me that he is ignoring obvious evidence of Beatrice's existence.
 
Jul 20, 2009 9:31 AM

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@ScooterT: Same atmosphere. No direct plot relation though.

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And I have a question. Battler vehemently refuses to believe in Beatrice and the supernatural. But Maria got a letter and an umbrella from Beatrice. Does Battler think Maria is lying, or too stupid to recognize one of her own family members? It just annoys me that he is ignoring obvious evidence of Beatrice's existence.


The logic is that someone (the culprit) that looked like the witch Beatrice could have dressed up like her and tricked Maria. Or that one of the family members tricked her. It is never really stated in the anime, but Maria is extremely naive and gullible. The family believes that someone could have tricked her fairly easily. There is also no proof that Beatrice wrote that letter at all, anyone could have.

Battler doesn't deny the existence of Beatrice or a 19th person. He denies that that 19th person, Beatrice, is a witch. Which, according to how Battler thinks and, in fact, something he was born with can. not. exist. period.
 
Jul 20, 2009 3:24 PM

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Thanks Zedrane =]
 
Jul 20, 2009 6:41 PM

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I had a nightmare><!
but i made a review on this episode.. erg
i was hesitating when i was taking screenshots..
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Jul 21, 2009 6:23 AM

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Thank goodness I started playing the VN about a week ago and already completed the first episode. Otherwise I think I'd have been too scared to watch it, especially when they found the magic circle on Eva and Hideyoshi's door.

Eva sticking the receipt in the door still seems as random as ever.

What does the episode's title (Dubious Move) refer to?
 
Jul 21, 2009 6:55 AM
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AikoD said:
What does the episode's title (Dubious Move) refer to?

I believe it's the name of a technique used in chess, as are all the other episode titles.
 
Jul 21, 2009 9:04 AM

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SilentXenocide said:
I don't know why people are comparing Higurashi to Umineko.

The title, maybe? They both end in "no Naku Koro ni" and are part of the "When They Cry" series.

Also, I heard from my friend who's read the VNs (I'd love to, but I forgot to save after going through the opening exposition in Episode 1, and I'm not clicking through that shit again), that the story actually connects to Higurashi later on and explains things that were left unexplained in that series.

I'd prefer no one spoil it for me, if that's the case. This is the first thing I've watched in a while where I haven't been spoiled.
 
Jul 21, 2009 2:27 PM

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I am really getting into this anime, unlike practically all of you lol I have not had any previous knowledge of this series. So going into it blindly I'm really impressed, I'm also not one for blood but I like the mysterious aspect of it and Maria kicks ass!! I feel like she could be a little mentally unstable, just a little... lol but for some reason I have a feeling it works with the anime maybe even has a connection to the mystery?? just my guess though since I have no idea >.<

It is SOO tempting to click on "Spoiler" almost every post just to get some more ideas!
I'm looking forward to Kanon I did hear he might be an interesting character... >.> maybe :)
Can't wait for the next ep!
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Jul 21, 2009 7:46 PM

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Sigyn said:
I am really getting into this anime, unlike practically all of you lol I have not had any previous knowledge of this series. So going into it blindly I'm really impressed

me too (;

I love this show *w* and Maria <3
can't wait for the next ep ^^
 
Jul 22, 2009 1:26 AM

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Oh wow, they really did show the maid girl's disfigured face in the end.
Talk about kicking the dog.

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Jul 22, 2009 12:22 PM

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Wow again. They will run out of cast members really fast this way (I know that won't happen, no need to tell me)

Maria with less uu and more creepiness = greeeeaaaaaat
 
Jul 26, 2009 7:13 PM

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Maiika said:
Sigyn said:
I am really getting into this anime, unlike practically all of you lol I have not had any previous knowledge of this series. So going into it blindly I'm really impressed

me too (;

I love this show *w* and Maria <3
can't wait for the next ep ^^


Yes I am in the same boat.
So I find it interesting and quite entertaining.
It seems that it would be awful to be a servant in this anime...

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Jul 28, 2009 4:06 AM

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I prefer creepy Maria. She should stay like that, it's kinda endearing.
Didn't expect more people to get killed off so quickly.

Creepy episode is creepy.
 
Jul 29, 2009 9:41 AM

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Minute 19... I feel like were I'm playing Phoenix Wright games...

I'm waiting~ Maria will have a big moment in a few time...
 
Aug 8, 2009 9:31 PM

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Minute 19... I feel like were I'm playing Phoenix Wright games...


Hahah my thoughts exactly, I sure do love these whodunnit murder mysteries

 
Aug 9, 2009 6:46 PM

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Aug 20, 2009 1:18 AM

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Maria's just plain creeping me out. O_o

And yeah it's confirmed. Maria was watching Higurashi.

And lol, Battler is phoneix wright!
 
Sep 7, 2009 10:26 AM

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Yessssssss more people dying. I love it!

BRING ON THE NEXT EPISODE.
 
Sep 7, 2009 10:36 PM

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Awesome episode. Best one yet imo. Creeped me out, heh.
If the series continues like this, I'm gonna love it. Hope it does~
 
Sep 22, 2009 12:58 PM

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Funny how no one notice how creepy little girls get...they just go on like its normal...just like that blue hair girl in higurashi lol
 
Oct 25, 2009 2:13 PM

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... Scary.

More people getting killed.

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Nov 6, 2009 8:35 AM

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Crazy symbols. The old man is very sneaky it seems.
 
Dec 18, 2009 12:10 AM

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battler reminds me of phoenix wright and so much people have died already im wondering how this series is 26 episodes xD
i really like this series its awesome :D


 
Jan 2, 2010 12:06 PM

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Whoa, whoa now two of the Ushiromiya member dies? The suspicion I had with that girl with the one winged eagle disappeared since she is already dead. I thought at first that she was the culprit, but after she died, it left me confused.

WHO'S THE CULPRIT? It can't be Maria, or can it? Hmm, also why does Maria's face turns like that? Is she really one of the bad guys? Are the servants the one who's behind this? Zomg, what a mystery.

Also, Maria was watching Higurashi on her t.v, lool. Epic win right there.
 
Jan 31, 2010 7:52 AM

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"The culprit isn't human. It's just the _____ chosen by the _____"

I wonder what Maria was talking about?? @_@
 
Mar 13, 2010 11:55 AM

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Too bad , I started to like Eva. and yeah, i like Battler's deduction, he's clever : >>
story of that anime reminds me a little of Agatha Christie's book: And Then There Were None / Ten Little Niggers.

Maria's creepy face&eyes&laugh = <3
 
May 7, 2010 5:44 PM

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OMG!!! well i didnt really like her... or the way that guy hit on her... so i dont mind *evil smirk* this was SOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo INTERESTING!!! i understand so much now... but its so creepy... oh well... my only complain would be... if Kanon-kun dies im SO gonna be mad =P haha anyway AWESOME EPI!!! X3
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Jun 20, 2010 1:01 AM

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I find Eva quite an interesting character but too bad she got killed :( Maria's creepy face is win <3

Love is filled with mystery
 
Jul 4, 2010 3:54 PM

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seems like Beatrice loves to kill couples xD ...
 
Aug 6, 2010 10:50 PM

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Woah...and here goes my suspected-to-be-murderer. She died.
Now I wonder how George will feel now? First his loved one, second his parents..
Just what the hell is Beatrice thinking?

Marie is creeping me out, someone kill her off for God's sake...
 
Nov 7, 2010 4:17 AM

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I don't know if I like this anime yet. It's not horrible, it's just.. idk. I'll watch at least 10 episodes until before and if I drop it.
 
Nov 18, 2010 2:23 AM

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Still love the opening song :)
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Dec 2, 2010 1:22 PM

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Didn't like this one as much as the first two episodes. The pacing of the show overall hasn't been that great so far, especially for people like me who haven't played the VN. They've tried a little too hard to make Maria the creepy character too.
 
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Great episode! Love it when Maria goes all crazy with her expressions! >:D
 
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