| Damn! Episode 1 was lots of fun! I can't really say anything that hasn't already been said. The rider kick was a little weird, but overall the effects, choreography, and design were extremely cool. Too bad they won't maintain the same productions value throughout the series. I also have a funny feeling that the detective bit will be swept aside, probably by episode 20 if not sooner. |
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| let's hope not. I mean it is the spirit of the show. And it doesn't take much to do a detective story. I mean, this arc's story is nothing much, yet it keeps the detective story feel. |
| Well of course I hope not. But I have this funny feeling that the overreaching plot will smother the detective stories. Philip alone is going to need some serious explaining. @_@ |
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| which will hopefully come as a result of a serious investigation XD The same for the heroes discovering the family behind the dopants and many other plot points. I fear the responsability of dealing with the dopants will be a bigger hindrance. Either they'll create an artificial situation in which all of his cases are related to the dopants (kinda like the heroes in Faiz stumbled across the orphenocs) or they'll have to ditch detective activities to fight the kaijin. |
m4rc0 said: which will hopefully come as a result of a serious investigation XD The same for the heroes discovering the family behind the dopants and many other plot points. I fear the responsability of dealing with the dopants will be a bigger hindrance. Either they'll create an artificial situation in which all of his cases are related to the dopants (kinda like the heroes in Faiz stumbled across the orphenocs) or they'll have to ditch detective activities to fight the kaijin. Yeah, that's sorta how I feel. I really hope it doesn't go that route, though. I mean, that more than likely means that once we go down that road, all we'll see are pointless Riders/forms/vehicles/etc. Or maybe I'm just paranoid, but shows like Kiva and Hibiki give me reason to feel so apprehensive. |
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| Episode 2: I haven't this excited watching second episode of a KR series... EVER. Damn, this series is AWESOME! I hope they keep this up. |
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| I agree, so far the most exciting introduction I've seen in the Heisei era. |
| Cant wait for combination form Heat - Trigger. Everytime they henshin I just hoping they would give me that form already.. Cute girl in KR tends to be annoying: Akira, Jyuka, Shizuka, and the new girl Akiko Average looking 20ish year old girl is the best.. |
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m4rc0 said: So you are waiting for metalder? XD Yes verymuch.. :) too bad its not possible to get Joker and Metal together or Trigger and Metal.. then it'd be Janperson and Jiban XD |
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| Well, if its like that, Luna Metal is Biker and Heat Metal is Fire XD Good old Armor Heroes... Toei should ressurect them as they did with KR. |
| momo next time write that the spoiler is about scans and speculations. It wasn't anything too major this time, but let's be safe. Susan I would never rewind that scene. And marrying a Kaijin? That guy has a serious Apollo Geist complex. And how could I forget? Metal Cyclone is Walter (Higther) *though he may look blue, the op's lyrics say: fire red, baiker yellor, walter green* Even though his color is a blue-ish green. |
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| CC it can also be about a masochist... I think I'm reading too much DMC... |
| Goddammn I cant read anything in this thread that arent spoilers D:< |
| If you have watched episode 2 then we don't have any spoilers. Just speculation. We use the spoiler tags in order to not spoil newcomers. Better safe than sorry. |
| aBout the letter M... unusual name for a gaia memory, but we will see how it goes. |
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| about Phil, a guy in TV-N's forum came up with this theory (i had thought of it too) in a more complete fashion: I also think the monsters look Sentai-ish this season. Previous Heisei KR had more sober designs for the monsters. But these monsters were more generic... They didn't have too many differences between them. W's Kaijin don't have that problem. |
| Hmmm. Yeah. Previously KR kaijin tended to be designed around a certain formula/theme.The Undead and Orphenochs were pretty much all anthropomorphic, abstract animals (look at that alliteration!). Makamou were pretty much the same giant monsters modeled after animals. Imagin were sort of like demons and warriors and robots, and all with an anime sensibility. Worms/Natives were insects. obviously. You could go on and on. But right now there's no apparent theme to the Dopant. |
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| Akiko is there to disrupt Shota's hard boiled style. I think they'll start to work better with each other in time. She is the one that brings comedy to an otherwise very serious show. |
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| Episode 4 was great! Love the parallel storytelling. Hope they keep this up. Kirihiko is a hottie. Love Shoutaro and Philip's dynamic more and more. They are so cute together. Hate Akiko. >_< But the actress does do a good job and her character serves a purpose. They're actually a very well-balanced threesome. |
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| Akiko haters seem to be the majority of W fans. At least until now. But if she wasn't like that, the show would be too serious. I like the half serious half silly atmosphere W has. I liked how she slapped Phil. I didn't think it was going to happen so soon. |
| I agree. As I said, she serves a purpose to create a balance. Shoutaro likes to be a very serious "hard boiled" detective, Philip is eccentric and stuck up. Akiko is needed to make us laugh. She's like Keitarou in Faiz, only a better executed character imo. Gawd, but she's just so annoying! >_< |
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m4rc0 said: Akiko haters seem to be the majority of W fans. At least until now. But if she wasn't like that, the show would be too serious. I like the half serious half silly atmosphere W has. I liked how she slapped Phil. I didn't think it was going to happen so soon. HAHA, half and half. I see what you did thar. ;) Episode 4: |
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m4rc0 said: Akiko haters seem to be the majority of W fans. At least until now. But if she wasn't like that, the show would be too serious. I like the half serious half silly atmosphere W has. I liked how she slapped Phil. I didn't think it was going to happen so soon. To each his (or her) own. I mean, I get your point. W could easily get too caught up in itself, but I feel like a character like Akiko is the absolute worst way to go about stopping it. Philip could've been used for the comic relief position and the entire show would be almost exponentially better with no Akiko at all. Seriously, every time I get into the story, and Shoutarou or Philip has done something really awesome, Akiko pops up to remind us she's in the story and suck all coolness out of the scene. The best example of this is when Shoutarou and Philip pull off the win against the owner of Million Colloseo, and they're explaining how they did it. "Glad you noticed, partner. This game..." "WE WON!!!" >_< And suddenly every ounce of awesomeness is gone for a joke that I didn't even find funny. Soooo not worth it. W would be the proper companion series to Shinkenger...if Akiko wasn't ruining it. |
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Susan said: I agree. As I said, she serves a purpose to create a balance. Shoutaro likes to be a very serious "hard boiled" detective, Philip is eccentric and stuck up. Akiko is needed to make us laugh. She's like Keitarou in Faiz, only a better executed character imo. Gawd, but she's just so annoying! >_< Just noticed this. No. Keitaro served as the odd man out in a cast full of Orphenochs and Ryusei students who still felt a need to help out. Akiko's just some character tacked on to break up the chemistry between Shotaro and Phillip and to serve as Shotaro's eternal pest. I fucking hate her, whereas I really cared for Keitaro and worried about him. Akiko has done NOTHING to make me like her. Something about Toei is totally unable to write likable or memorable female leads in KR shows. |
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CCZilla said: Susan said: I agree. As I said, she serves a purpose to create a balance. Shoutaro likes to be a very serious "hard boiled" detective, Philip is eccentric and stuck up. Akiko is needed to make us laugh. She's like Keitarou in Faiz, only a better executed character imo. Gawd, but she's just so annoying! >_< Just noticed this. No. Keitaro served as the odd man out in a cast full of Orphenochs and Ryusei students who still felt a need to help out. Akiko's just some character tacked on to break up the chemistry between Shotaro and Phillip and to serve as Shotaro's eternal pest. I fucking hate her, whereas I really cared for Keitaro and worried about him. Akiko has done NOTHING to make me like her. Something about Toei is totally unable to write likable or memorable female leads in KR shows. Certainly there has to be SOMEONE...I mean, Natsumi was kinda annoying but it wasn't that bad because pretty quickly they got her In The Kitchen. (Look up "Stay in the Kitchen" on TVTropes.org to see what I mean.) Hm. Just realized something. Akiko would be much more likable if she were like Kagami. He was a lead that was comic relief in the early parts of his series, but he was always clearly trying to hard to keep up with Tendou that he was endearing. Akiko wants to hang out with the Heroes and think herself equal (superior, even!) without having done the work, and to me that's not funny. Just makes me wish they'd thrown her out that car. |
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| She is still adapting. Give her time. Kagami was useless for a long time. In fact she was more useful than he was in the beginning... >Philip could've been used for the comic relief position and the entire show would be almost exponentially better with no Akiko at all. He could, but I don't think i would be good. He and Shota are the serious ones. Of course he has his funny moments because of how he is, and Shota too. But if they were turned into goofy characters, the serious part of the show would be lost. Of course, they could pull that off nicely with good writing, but we all know that this is too much to ask in a KR. Also, the sho requires a female lead. Phil is the cool and logical type, with the brains and acts as the researcher. Shota is the action guy, has connections, looks for clues and interacts with criminals and clients. If she wasn't the nosy brat she is, she would go to the kitchen real quick, because there would be no role for her. >And suddenly every ounce of awesomeness is gone for a joke that I didn't even find funny. Soooo not worth it. I don't think that was a joke. She is a part of the group, she was the one that found the cassino and challenged the Dopant. They were there with her and because of her. I think you guys just have a negative impression of her and are picking on the character. I won't comment about keitaro in Faiz, because this is W's thread. But its kinda unfair to compare a character that had a full series to give you an impression and one that only had 4 eps... edit: @5 |
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m4rc0 said: She is still adapting. Give her time. Kagami was useless for a long time. In fact she was more useful than he was in the beginning... ??? Kagami had knowledge of the Worms and fought them many times. He didn't do much against them, but he had the courage and wasn't constantly poking the Rider due to a lack of knowledge. He could, but I don't think i would be good. He and Shota are the serious ones. Of course he has his funny moments because of how he is, and Shota too. But if they were turned into goofy characters, the serious part of the show would be lost. Of course, they could pull that off nicely with good writing, but we all know that this is too much to ask in a KR. lol. If I thought the writing was as bad as you're saying, I'd bail on the show. That said, its not an either/or. You can be capable of being funny and be serious. Just his aloofness playing off Shoutarou's sometimes emotional way of thinking would be amusing. Also, the sho requires a female lead. Phil is the cool and logical type, with the brains and acts as the researcher. Shota is the action guy, has connections, looks for clues and interacts with criminals and clients. If she wasn't the nosy brat she is, she would go to the kitchen real quick, because there would be no role for her. ....You don't see anything wrong with that last sentence? Even Natsumi wasn't as worthless as Akiko, they threw her into the kitchen. I don't think that was a joke. She is a part of the group, she was the one that found the cassino and challenged the Dopant. They were there with her and because of her. ....They would've been there in the episode before that if she hadn't taken Shoutarou's attention from who he was trailing by trying to prove how important she was. If you don't have the power to fight back, either as a Rider or through other ways (even Kagami's gun), then You're In The Way. Proof? They went there because they needed to rescue her--because *she couldn't fight back*. I think you guys just have a negative impression of her and are picking on the character. Okay, sure. And I think you're standing up for her because you like her. Same way I stand up for Tendou. I realize he's flawed, but I like him so I stand up for him. |
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| Who wrote I like Akiko as a character? I just don't hate her. And I recognize the role she has in the show. >They went there because they needed to rescue her--because *she couldn't fight back*. That doesn't matter. What matters is that she IS a part of the team and she was commemorating the team's victory. It wasn't a joke moment. It was a team one. >You don't see anything wrong with that last sentence? Even Natsumi wasn't as worthless as Akiko, they threw her into the kitchen. You say that because you don't like Akiko. And I don't know what you think, but I think the female leads in KR tend to be just extras. Akiko, being the nosy brat may keep having a signficant role, instead of only being there to emotionally support the hero(es in this case). I won't compare her with Natsumi because this is W's discussion. But I think worthless is a strange way of describing a character. The character might be good or bad built and useful or uselles for the show (or the plot). >If I thought the writing was as bad as you're saying, I'd bail on the show. That said, its not an either/or. You can be capable of being funny and be serious. Just his aloofness playing off Shoutarou's sometimes emotional way of thinking would be amusing. Read what I wrote. I know they have their funny moments, together and alone, but it is a show for kids and later riders tendo to focus a lot in comedy. If they didn't have her, they would end up with a serious show, which they don't want to, or they would have to maek the duo goofier and ruin them. And please, the writing in toku is weak. Not for a kids show, but we aren't children anymore. And sometimes it is weak for a childrens show. Not W's case. >He didn't do much against them, but he had the courage and wasn't constantly poking the Rider due to a lack of knowledge. She has the courage. She IS helping. She was poking the character due to a lack of knowladge because she fell head first in their world. And she pokes him because of her personality. |
That doesn't matter. What matters is that she IS a part of the team and she was commemorating the team's victory. It wasn't a joke moment. It was a team one. It was intended to be funny. The team moment was Shoutarou's and Philip's. It was kinda plain the way she butted in that she wasn't apart of the team. She IS helping. Show me a legitimate point at which she has helped that doesn't involve her fixing a mistake she made in the first place. The casino would be an example of her fixing her own mistake--doesn't count. And I don't know what you think, but I think the female leads in KR tend to be just extras. Depends on the series, but that's true. And please, the writing in toku is weak. Not for a kids show, but we aren't children anymore. And sometimes it is weak for a childrens show. Okay. For funsies, tell me what show's writing you respect. |
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| >It was kinda plain the way she butted in that she wasn't apart of the team. I watched the scene again and found no comedy or expectative of comedy. And you may not like it, but the writers made her part of the team. She made Phil stop being emo because of her family. >Show me a legitimate point at which she has helped that doesn't involve her fixing a mistake she made in the first place episode five. Writing I respect? That is kinda hard to find I tokusatsu. But in anime and stuff... Just look at the series with 10 or 9 in my list. Some might be there without being well written, but most fo them ere, at least IMO. While looking for Wakana's actress name in wiki I discovered that there will be a W movie that will be shown with Decade's final movie. It'll tell teh story of how Phil and Shouta met. Its going to be a prologue. the name is Episode 0 or something. |
m4rc0Oct 11, 2009 11:45 PM
m4rc0 said: I watched the scene again and found no comedy or expectative of comedy. And you may not like it, but the writers made her part of the team. She made Phil stop being emo because of her family. Ehhhh...if you say so. To me, you're not part of the team if you don't serve a function aside from "plucky comic relief". You've got to perform a REAL function in battle. I don't care if you just sit in a tiny blue truck and just offer advice and help the hero put his armor on--as long as you're not actually in the way and the hero doesn't have rescue you while he's busy fighting, you're good. episode five. Haven't seen that one yet, but I'll back to you on that. Writing I respect? That is kinda hard to find I tokusatsu. But in anime and stuff... Just look at the series with 10 or 9 in my list. Some might be there without being well written, but most fo them ere, at least IMO. Fair enough. Difference of opinion. Most of the series you rated a 9/10, to me, are either dull as dishwater (Mononoke), or what I know about them pretty much ensure I'll hate it (Berserk). I certainly wouldn't place them against Agito, or even Blade. But, again--we see things differently. |
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m4rc0 said: m4rc0 said: Didn't I say this a few episodes ago too? You said they're more like the zecters at the time. =P The comparisons between this series and Kabuto are certainly rising in number. Shou's Gadgets=Zecters, Akiko=Kagami... Hell, I'd even go as far to say the Sonozaki family and the Dopant is a bit like the relationship between the Natives and the Worms (but only vaguely so don't take this comment too seriously). Episode 5 was overall pretty amusing. Akiko actually did something, and she didn't overact as badly as usual. Her scenes with Phil weren't too bad at all. I didn't like W switched from Trigger back to Joker to defeat the enemy, but I guess they want to sell the Cyclone/Joker stuff, being W's default/starting form. I just love the Sonozaki family's development overall. They're awesome! =D I wonder if W will acquire new Gaia Memory as the series goes on? Well, special or one-time use memory, because he has more than enough forms as it is. |
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| I had never heard of that before. Well, the stag phone is gattack zecter and the camera reminds Kivat just a little. I think W has only three finishers. One with Cyclone Joker, one with heat metal and one with luna toriga. At least that is what the show suggests. I was hoping he would have 9 finishers... I think he'll get more memories. At least for the super form. Probably a gadget where he inserts the super memory too. |
| lol@toriga. XD Is this like episode "36" of Decade? Even if I say "It's Trigger" you'll keep on using toriga. XD You might as well say "joka" and "metaru" while you're at it. ;) I'm sorry. You said "Shota has a gatack zecter" first, then I said my first thought was disc animals. Page 3 of the read, regarding episode 2. XD |
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| no problem. And toriga is just shorter and I find it easier to type than trigger. Metaru is longer so I won't be using it. Joka is a good one. you'll also notice that I won't write heat trigger. I'll write kikaider. XD |
| lol. Toriga is only one letter shorter than Trigger. XD |
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