ladyxzeus said: Yap, more intelligence seems to be less relying on primitive instincts, you see it at all things.Such "human" traits are actually shared by most animals. Even simple creatures, as pidgeons (YES BE AFRAID) commit horrible acts of murder amongst their own species by no apparent reason. Yet again all animals live in a more or less balanced (lol) society that we can almost call an anarchy, why not. However, they are not aware anough to quit life. The advanced cognitive mechanisms exist to ease survival. However survival means: keep your genes here even if you are suffering. As animals don't know anything about celular biology (or maybe they do and jut don't care) they must stay alive to keep their genes on the surface of earth. And as animals don't know anything about realism they are fully convinced that their genes are needed. And maybe they are, you never know what environmental changes hold. - Intelligent girls don't like jerky primitive guys that can protect their children or some thing. - Intelligent people are invariably less aggressive the reverse is even stronger. - Intelligent people ask questions first, shoot later. - Intelligent people are less narcissist and more realist about their own capabilities. - Intelligent people tend to avoid fads and shits. Also, suicide failing is actually quite common, it's hard to succeed suicide. It's like trying to fall over without breaking your fall. You have these almost reflex-like things that stop you, you want to put that screwdriver into the phase wire but you keep from succeeding it because there are reflexes that stop you. Humanity is still not advanced enough for that it seems. There are still these primal systems that keep you from doing those things, committing suicide is pretty hard, like falling over without breaking your fall, or sneezing whilst keeping your eyes open. |
| People can commit suicide if they want to, but I think they should only commit suicide if their life really is pain, and they'd be better off dead. Though, they really have to be careful not to phail. |
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| While normally I would consider it cowardly to commit suicide, if you are in extreme pain or are going to die anyway (and possibly suffer an even worse fate if you keep on living), I have absolutely no problem with it. I also think that the world would be a better place if all the whiny little bastards who talk about wanting to kill themselves or threaten suicide if they don't get their way would just go ahead and do it. |
khorven said: - Intelligent girls don't like jerky primitive guys that can protect their children or some thing. - Intelligent people are invariably less aggressive the reverse is even stronger. - Intelligent people ask questions first, shoot later. - Intelligent people are less narcissist and more realist about their own capabilities. - Intelligent people tend to avoid fads and shits. Proofless. I know people who are "not-intelligent" and are all above what you've described, and I know people who are "intelligent" and they're totally not what you've describeed. |
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| That is quite irrelevant, as I spoke to ladyxzeus and seeing that she shares those observations, we may use them as axioms in our debate. You don't however so I'm forced to provide a study. Also, your own personal experiences are hardly interesting in debate. And it's pretty much mainstream consensus that high intelligent correlates quite strongly with an escape of primal nature. It's Zeus' field, she can tell you more. I've even read (controversial) views that in fact what is intelligence is little more than a dominance of the cortex cerebrus over the limbic system. Like a dominance of the right hemisphaere over the left. |
| Well, it's my field so let's explain it in a way even I would understand... Remember that part of high school when someone told you that we only use 40% or something of our neurones? Ok, other animals also use as much. However, other animals have other areas of the brain better developed, ie bigger. A human brain holds about 15 sheep brains. It's not like other creatures are less intelligent but we, humans, have bigger, stronger, prettier neurones and use it more. In the end, the lesser the animal the less they use their specialized neurones. For specialization I mean the ability of verbal communication, etc. It's really not well studied, but in the lack of proof let's just take what we know empirically (which is, fish don't have conceptual communication) Now that everyone is situated, let's move onto people that behave like animals and animals that behave like people people that behave like people. Humans, as mammals that we are, also have the ability to use the limbic system and the hypophisis (the glans of love ~~~<3) However we don't really need it anymore so we dedicated our spare time developing other brain characteristics, as the concept (I refer it many times because most animals don't understand concepts and it's supposed their brains are not prepared for such. However someone found a parrot that understood what was 0 and more study is being developed). If we call "intelligent" the person that dedicates to activities of the cortex, like maths, writing or other creative expression and "non-intelligent" the person that dedicates to the activities of the stem or cerebelus, like sleeping and eating, by analogy we conclude that "non-intelligent" is near to the non-human animal. Let's now pick khorven's examples: - Intelligent girls don't like jerky primitive guys that can protect their children or some thing. If we ignore the involvement of our sexy pheromones, I'd say yes. Because their cortex does not feel stimulated by the non-intelligent (NI, cuz it's easier to write) and therefore they have no interest. Probably NI does not hold any interest for them as well. Still an I guy can still protect children or some thing. That awesome stereotype of women only wanting money may as well be true, as in the current human social parameters money is a tool that helps you to raise children. - Intelligent people are invariably less aggressive the reverse is even stronger. - Intelligent people ask questions first, shoot later. As explored by Konrad Lorenz we can divide the animals in 3 groups: those who run, those who attack and the humans. Ignoring that morality fit of the time of his books, animals are prepared to attack OR escape when confronted with stress (that actually has a definition, haha) So when confronted with Enemy either I and NI have the same mechanisms of defense. However, since NI kept their energies in their muscles and fat and I spent all of them thinking NI can attack while I has more chances when running. Running is passive (aka not agressive) and can also consist on winning time, preparing schemes, etc. - Intelligent people are less narcissist and more realist about their own capabilities. Probably because they thought about it. I seriously doubt other animals have that aknowledgement of the self, so much to have "narcisism", because it does not really seem an issue they should bother about when most of them are fighting for survival (even house pets) - Intelligent people tend to avoid fads and shits. Vide "running away" So, I don't really get the objective of my post but in the end we can conclude that it does not matter if we are intelligent or not intelligent as we all have the same biological mechanisms. However, the use we give to our beautiful neurones is what defines the priority we give to each mechanism and the way we trigger and use it. Damn, I should totally be a teacher. |
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| Oh wow, you taught me some thing. ladyxzeus said: Can I be your teacher's pet and have sex with you then?Damn, I should totally be a teacher. |
Plun said: windy said: Plun said: watIf you do suicide, I'll see you in Hell from Heaven. What do you mean 'wat'? If you suicide, you go to hell. I don't care if you don't believe in Heaven, Hell, God, Devil, or whatever. Plun said: I don't even read the bible. lulz Sure you don't. |
Drunk_Samurai said: Fair's fair, a lot of people who preach that kind of shit have never actually read a bible.Plun said: windy said: Plun said: watIf you do suicide, I'll see you in Hell from Heaven. What do you mean 'wat'? If you suicide, you go to hell. I don't care if you don't believe in Heaven, Hell, God, Devil, or whatever. Plun said: I don't even read the bible. lulz Sure you don't. Also, there are more faiths that believe in Hell than Christianity. |
| Man sometimes at work i have thoughts of suicide one time i thought to myself that i actually should go through with it. I ended up telling my cousin and he said to me there are black kids dying in Africa who don't commit suicide yet your someone who has everything they want and you want to kill yourself cause you don't want to work part time. I was like shit im fuking retarded. |
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| Then your friend is a fool for thinking that material possession equals happiness. Funny is that people only believe that when it suits them. In any case, people in Africa do not have a significantly lower level of happiness, if you've always lived like that then it's fine, the idea is: - Gaining prosperity increases well being for a short time only, then it drops back. - Losing it decreases well being and permanently. People get used to wealth and the like pretty soon, but not to losing it, that's why lottery winners tend to end up pretty badly because they can't adjust to the money well being dry. |
warmachine said: Man sometimes at work i have thoughts of suicide one time i thought to myself that i actually should go through with it. I ended up telling my cousin and he said to me there are black kids dying in Africa who don't commit suicide yet your someone who has everything they want and you want to kill yourself cause you don't want to work part time. I was like shit im fuking retarded. u didn't answer the question at hand do u think suicide under certain circumstances is ok |
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khorven said: ladyxzeus said: Can I be your teacher's pet and have sex with you then?Damn, I should totally be a teacher. Sure. Considering black kids in Africa and part-time workers, for each there is a completely different environment therefore there is no comparison. There's actually very little base of comparison between people in the same environment, but we use for simplicity sake. But yeah, whatever works for you is fine. |
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mosdefind said: do u think suicide is right when u have a big fatal wound ? for example, your arm has been cut off and ur in the desert with no way out and no help u have a knife. i know its a bad example, but use your head, do u think suicide is right when u have a fatal wound under these circumstances do u think suicide is right? I don't see why it wouldn't be, you'd be doing yourself a favor and it harms no one else. If you want to believe in a godlike figure I'd say the knife was a merciful gift |
| You'd pass out and die anyways. I'd wait for that .0000001% chance that some miraculous coincidence would happen and I'd be saved. |
| This entire thread consisted of good reading material, courtesy of khorven and ladyxzeus, I thank you both. >_> |
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ladyxzeus said: Given that you live in Portugal; are a woman, I'm probably to assume that you've been gang raped between six and Graham's number times. So it's probably best to wear a condom to class.khorven said: ladyxzeus said: Can I be your teacher's pet and have sex with you then?Damn, I should totally be a teacher. Sure. Considering black kids in Africa and part-time workers, for each there is a completely different environment therefore there is no comparison. There's actually very little base of comparison between people in the same environment, but we use for simplicity sake. But yeah, whatever works for you is fine. Yes, I said that, And I was right. |
khorven said: ladyxzeus said: Given that you live in Portugal; are a woman, I'm probably to assume that you've been gang raped between six and Graham's number times. So it's probably best to wear a condom to class.khorven said: ladyxzeus said: Can I be your teacher's pet and have sex with you then?Damn, I should totally be a teacher. Sure. In Portugal ladyxzeus is not gang raped. ladyxzeus rapes gangs. |
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ladyxzeus said: So is this to do by that your special powers only work on your home world or that Portuguese men get even more stupid in large numbers?khorven said: ladyxzeus said: Given that you live in Portugal; are a woman, I'm probably to assume that you've been gang raped between six and Graham's number times. So it's probably best to wear a condom to class.khorven said: ladyxzeus said: Can I be your teacher's pet and have sex with you then?Damn, I should totally be a teacher. Sure. In Portugal ladyxzeus is not gang raped. ladyxzeus rapes gangs. |
| Tales of the Abyss has taught me, that if someone is considering committing suicide, the best form of action is to call them an idiot repeatedly. That way the last memories you'll share together are negative ones. The rejection of "emo" by many people in this world, has taught me that the best response to anyone, whether close friend, family member or total stranger, who is feeling suicidal, is to physically and verbally abuse them until they're finally willing to get the act over with and end their worthless existence. That way they'll know their decision is right. And it's a nice way to say "Why didn't you consider this sooner?". Japanese culture has taught me that living is selfish if people don't want you to. And you're an asshole for not killing yourself for them. The internet has taught me that people do not cut themselves for any other reason that suicide. Despite cutting being a highly inefficient method for death. American and internet society has told me that a person cannot wear trip pants, black, any hot topic clothing, or be a guy and put on make-up and wear girl clothes, without wanting to die. |
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ukonkivi said: I quote this because it is win, now we have increased the win by a factor 2.0092Tales of the Abyss has taught me, that if someone is considering committing suicide, the best form of action is to call them an idiot repeatedly. That way the last memories you'll share together are negative ones. The rejection of "emo" by many people in this world, has taught me that the best response to anyone, whether close friend, family member or total stranger, who is feeling suicidal, is to physically and verbally abuse them until they're finally willing to get the act over with and end their worthless existence. That way they'll know their decision is right. And it's a nice way to say "Why didn't you consider this sooner?". Japanese culture has taught me that living is selfish if people don't want you to. And you're an asshole for not killing yourself for them. The internet has taught me that people do not cut themselves for any other reason that suicide. Despite cutting being a highly inefficient method for death. American and internet society has told me that a person cannot wear trip pants, black, any hot topic clothing, or be a guy and put on make-up and wear girl clothes, without wanting to die. |
| Who knows what happens in other countries... ºvº Also, back in my time there was not such a thing as "emo". Being depressed was not a cool thing and was not socially acceptable. Times change. =) |
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7aYz said: x+1 = x -1in general i believe it is wrong even if you are in bad situation..because every problem have its own solution no matter what is it.. Find the solution in x, surely it's there? |
7aYz said: in general i believe it is wrong even if you are in bad situation..because every problem have its own solution no matter what is it.. And sometimes that solution is suicide. |
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| No, not really, it can be mathematically proven that: - Not all problems have a solution (find where two parallel lines intersect) - Of some problems it cannot be known if they have a solution (CH in ZFC) - Some problems definitely have a solution, but it's impossible to find it (5th order polynomials) |
khorven said: 7aYz said: x+1 = x -1in general i believe it is wrong even if you are in bad situation..because every problem have its own solution no matter what is it.. Find the solution in x, surely it's there? ...is the answer to that suicide? |
LeiKaiSing said: khorven said: 7aYz said: x+1 = x -1in general i believe it is wrong even if you are in bad situation..because every problem have its own solution no matter what is it.. Find the solution in x, surely it's there? ...is the answer to that suicide? No, he just refuted that all problems have solutions. So the premise for 7aYz' argument is false, so his argument is not a good one. I just butted in that, even if his premise would have been a valid one, it would not have followed that suicide was wrong. |
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| >Answering a joke with a serious reply :/ |
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OranSolus said: LeiKaiSing said: >Answering a joke with a serious reply :/ Kaiser, you're better than that. I happen to think seriousity is rather funny, but o.,okay, I shall repent. Somehow. Somewhen. |
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| I bet the above posts led someone to suicide. |
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| Well. I would make suicide. |
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ladyxzeus said: How can you know, you have aids and syphilis.I bet the above posts led someone to suicide. |
khorven said: ladyxzeus said: How can you know, you have aids and syphilis.I bet the above posts led someone to suicide. Not to mention Clamidia, Candida and Tritrichomonas. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: OranSolus said: LeiKaiSing said: >Answering a joke with a serious reply :/ Kaiser, you're better than that. I happen to think seriousity is rather funny, but o.,okay, I shall repent. Somehow. Somewhen. It's only funny when done in a charming manner. For shame. |
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ladyxzeus said: Who knows what happens in other countries... ºvº Also, back in my time there was not such a thing as "emo". Being depressed was not a cool thing and was not socially acceptable. Times change. =) Don't confuse depress people with emo. Depress people are depressed for a reason, emo is just a fashion trend for teenagers to get attention. This woman is depressed :  And this is emo:  I believe there is a difference. |
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ladyxzeus said: Oh, take me as your teacher's pet.khorven said: ladyxzeus said: How can you know, you have aids and syphilis.I bet the above posts led someone to suicide. Not to mention Clamidia, Candida and Tritrichomonas. |
mosdefind said: do u think suicide is right when u have a big fatal wound ? OranSolus said: It's only funny when done in a charming manner. Context is overrated. |
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Monad said: And this is emo: Actually, this is emo. Not there's anything wrong with that fashion. And wearing it has nothing to do with being sad, it's an aesthetic taste. I personally like the look. Also, considering how many people hate emos. For no reason at all other than guys wearing make-up or wearing girl jeans, with or without the depression, I'd say it's NOT very socially acceptable. To be emo. Being depressed, on the other hand, is a bit too commonplace for most people to hate. I believe that statistic is one out of five? That'd be a fifth of the planet. |
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| Didn't read through everything, just wanted to share one important fact; The situation might always change, except if you commit suicide. If you assume that suicide is an option, you are more tempted to commit suicide, whereas most likely with e.g. your arm cut off you are probably not able to make these kind of decisions physiologically. So in essence, I guess Christianity is quite right saying one shouldn't commit suicide no matter when. The same goes for old people who can kill themselves in some countries (not sure about here): e.g. some have themselves killed because they think they are a weight for their family, whereas their family might still care. Some kill themselves because they are 'life tired' (NL:"levensmoe"), commiting suicide is always a momental choice... |
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llxwarbirdxll said: Suicide is bad, because God says so. yes! |
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khorven said: Watching anime is bad because God says so. Seriously, it has fanservice, Godhatesfanservice.com I was expecting that website to be real. |
khorven said: But obviously God loves the all-enduring phallus. right?Watching anime is bad because God says so. Seriously, it has fanservice, Godhatesfanservice.com |
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