Who do you think is the best rock drummer?
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| Ha. That it did. It's all drummers from classic rock bands and Danny Carey. I'm not saying those guys aren't good, but come on. |
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| well...most people don't pay attention to drummers, sadly enough. you also don't have Lars Ulrich from Metallica. |
kei-clone said: well...most people don't pay attention to drummers, sadly enough. you also don't have Lars Ulrich from Metallica. Metallica is metal, not rock. Also, there are much better metal drummers than Ulrich. |
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FireReaverX said: Ha. That it did. It's all drummers from classic rock bands and Danny Carey. I'm not saying those guys aren't good, but come on. Come on what? I'm afraid I don't see your point. |
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itainteazy said: lol this thread failed Ya, basically lol. It's all good, I was just trying to liven things up, but I guess not very many people know about classic rock bands or their drummers @_@. |
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Ecstasy said: FireReaverX said: Ha. That it did. It's all drummers from classic rock bands and Danny Carey. I'm not saying those guys aren't good, but come on. Come on what? I was just saying that the choices were a bit strange. You didn't say best "classic" rock drummer and yet the only post-eighties drummer is Danny Carey. |
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Ecstasy said: kei-clone said: well...most people don't pay attention to drummers, sadly enough. you also don't have Lars Ulrich from Metallica. Metallica is metal, not rock. Also, there are much better metal drummers than Ulrich. nice. first of all don't triple post. secondly, metal is a type of rock, dunno why you'd think otherwise. If you wanted to say only classic rock than you should have been more specific. thirdly, seems this thread did fail lol. |
kei-cloneDec 19, 2007 9:46 AM
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FireReaverX said: Ecstasy said: FireReaverX said: Ha. That it did. It's all drummers from classic rock bands and Danny Carey. I'm not saying those guys aren't good, but come on. Come on what? I was just saying that the choices were a bit strange. You didn't say best "classic" rock drummer and yet the only post-eighties drummer is Danny Carey. Those are the best rock drummers; the time period has no bearing on it whatsoever. Can you name a recent rock drummer that even holds a candle up to any of them? |
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kei-clone said: Ecstasy said: kei-clone said: well...most people don't pay attention to drummers, sadly enough. you also don't have Lars Ulrich from Metallica. Metallica is metal, not rock. Also, there are much better metal drummers than Ulrich. nice. first of all don't triple post. secondly, metal is a type of rock, dunno why you'd think otherwise. If you wanted to say only classic rock than you should have been more specific. thirdly, seems this thread did fail lol. Metal is metal, it is NOT rock. Anything with "rock" after it can be considered rock, aka alternative "rock", etc. and metal is NOT rock. Those are two TOTALLY different categories, and there are a fuckload of different metal drummers. I didn't want to say classic rock because I wasn't talking about just classic rock, I was talking about rock period (the best rock drummers just happen to be older ones). What you're saying is basically, folk songs are jazz because jazz was derived from them? That doesn't make any sense, and neither does the comparison from rock to metal. Don't associate or confuse the two. Also, the reason I triple posted was to address three different topics. If I would've been here for all three, I would've posted once after each of their posts and it wouldn't of been a big deal. I don't see the issue, but whatever, I don't feel like learning how to quote 3 people in one post. |
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| rules are rules dude. any forum would frown upon double/triple posting, so do learn to consolidate your posts. as for the metal definition, I don't know where you got your definition from, or who told you that, or if you made it up yourself. metal is not merely a derivative of rock like jazz is. it's a type of rock. Do you even know how broad of a definition rock is? metal definitely falls under that umbrella, and various sources (wiki, merriam webster, oxford, rolling stone, etc.) all define it that way. |
kei-cloneDec 19, 2007 7:32 PM
kei-clone said: rules are rules dude. any forum would frown upon double/triple posting, so do learn to consolidate your posts. as for the metal definition, I don't know where you got your definition from, or who told you that, or if you made it up yourself. metal is not merely a derivative of rock like jazz is. it's a type of rock. Do you even know how broad of a definition rock is? metal definitely falls under that umbrella, and various sources (wiki, merriam webster, oxford, rolling stone, etc.) all define it that way. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_music. It LISTS METAL AS A DERIVATIVE FORM OF ROCK, therefore you're wrong by your OWN sources. Metal is a DERIVATIVE of rock, just as jazz is a DERIVATIVE of folk music. The "umbrella" of which you were talking about includes the subgenres of rock, which are also mentioned on that VERY SAME website, and metal is NOT one of them. There are SUBGENRES of metal because it's a DIFFERENT type of music than rock is, despite the fact that it was DERIVED from rock. I did not make up the definition, that IS the definition. My poll includes the best drummers from all of rock, not from derivatives of rock. There's your answer, and I don't feel like discussing something any longer when the blatant truth dictates that I'm correct. Also, this thread was made to vote for the best rock drummer, and your random comment about what should and should not be on the list, as well as your comments about it not being specific enough are completely pointless since the thread is already made (not to mention wrong), and therefore considered spam. ALSO, the drummers here I find to be better than metal drummers in many respects, so even if you DID include metal, none of them would really meet my standards except Portney. I know about drumming, and about the drummers a lot more than you do (considering I've played drums for nearly a decade), so I would appreciate it if you would stop attempting to give me suggestions. |
SinDec 20, 2007 8:17 AM
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kei-clone said: rules are rules dude. any forum would frown upon double/triple posting, so do learn to consolidate your posts. as for the metal definition, I don't know where you got your definition from, or who told you that, or if you made it up yourself. metal is not merely a derivative of rock like jazz is. it's a type of rock. Do you even know how broad of a definition rock is? metal definitely falls under that umbrella, and various sources (wiki, merriam webster, oxford, rolling stone, etc.) all define it that way. Dude you're wrong, metal has never been rock, but it is a derivative. I'd say you made up that definition yourself, because I really don't know anyone who knows about rock/metal who would agree with you. I even went to your sites, and they don't explain it any differently... |
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| lol wtf? first of all you guys need to calm down. secondly, are we reading the same websites? I'll quote them directly since you guys...couldn't read maybe? Ecstasy said: The "umbrella" of which you were talking about includes the subgenres of rock, which are also mentioned on that VERY SAME website, and metal is NOT one of them. wow, really now? wikipedia said: Also in the 1970s, rock developed a number of subgenres, such as soft rock, heavy metal, hard rock, progressive rock, and punk rock. third paragraph, don't know how you missed it. same exact article you linked, even though I was referring to the heavy metal article which says: wiki said: Heavy metal (often referred to simply as metal) is a genre of rock music... and as for my other sources: Merriam Webster said: heavy metal Main Entry: heavy metal Function: noun Date: 1973 : energetic and highly amplified electronic rock music having a hard beat http://m-w.com/dictionary/heavy%20metal Oxford Dictionary said: heavy metal • noun 1 a metal of relatively high density, or of high relative atomic weight. 2 a type of highly amplified harsh-sounding rock music with a strong beat. http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/heavymetal?view=uk finally, you have Led Zeppelin up there, so here's Rolling Stone It wasn't just Led Zeppelin's thunderous volume, sledgehammer beat, and edge-of-mayhem arrangements that made it the most influential and successful heavy-metal pioneer... http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/ledzeppelin any more objections? you're going to have to tell me all those sources are wrong if you believe that I made up this definition. |
kei-cloneDec 20, 2007 9:46 AM
| First of all, in the list of subgenres in Wikipedia, if you look just to the left, there is NO heavy metal, but it IS listed as a derivative, in fact, the only time it is mentioned as a subgenre is in one reference in the text. Second of all, wikipedia is far from a credible source to begin with and this inconsistency is just more proof. In terms of your dictionary definitions, of course it would have rock in the definition, considering metal is DERIVED from rock. It in no way indicates that metal IS rock. It does say, that metal is rock music WITH something else. It wasn't just Led Zeppelin's thunderous volume, sledgehammer beat, and edge-of-mayhem arrangements that made it the most influential and successful heavy-metal pioneer... http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/ledzeppelin LASTLY, Led Zeppelin is NOT and never will be metal, they are hard rock. Led Zeppelin did pave the way to metal, and did pioneer it, but through their hard rock music. Without them, the derivative of rock, metal, wouldn't have been created. Metal is not rock, but it does use rock and add on to it. Thus metal is a derivative of rock, BUT NOT ROCK. Also, I don't see the point of discussion because either way, as I said before, the drummers here I find to be better than metal drummers in many respects, so even if you DID include metal, none of them would really meet my standards except Portney. Therefore arguing whether or not metal is rock doesn't do anything for this thread. If you want to discuss this more, I would appreciate it if you would message me instead of spamming here. If you do end up responding once again to this, in this thread, then I'll just let you think you're right and not respond because I don't feel like checking this thread again, it's a nuisance for me :\. |
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| **UPDATE** This thread is now an EPIC failure. |
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FireReaverX said: **UPDATE** This thread is now an EPIC failure. Ya no shit, that was established in the second post. |
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| this thread failed from the beginning from the ridiculous opening post anyway. i'm just posting here cuz i'm pointing out simple errors, but since you refused to acknowledge a simple mistake and instead are trying to argue semantics with me this thread just completely derailed. I can't really do much more than give you dictionary definitions that metal is a type of rock so if you wish to continue to live by your own definition then so be it. however, just for fun: Ecstasy said: LASTLY, Led Zeppelin is NOT and never will be metal orly now? about.com, wiki, and bbc all disagree with you. who am i to argue? about.com said: Late 1960's - Early 1970's The birth of heavy metal. Groups like Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple were the first heavy metal bands. http://heavymetal.about.com/od/heavymetal101/a/101_timeline.htm BBC said: The predominant music fashions in the 1970s were Glam Rock, Heavy Metal and Punk. This was the decade where HM first appeared as we know it, spearheaded by the likes of Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Motorhead, and Black Sabbath. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A353134 wiki said: With their heavy, guitar-driven sound, Led Zeppelin are regarded as one of the first heavy metal bands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_zeppelin even if you wish to discredit wiki, I'd say about.com is more reliable, and if anything you can trust BBC. Now I've provided credible sources for my claim, you have not. gg oh and uh...since your "poll" was not very adequate in the first place, consisting only of who YOU felt were the best drummers, I don't think this thread would have flown anyway so meh about the derailing. |
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kei-clone said: oh and uh...since your "poll" was not very adequate in the first place, consisting only of who YOU felt were the best drummers, I don't think this thread would have flown anyway so meh about the derailing. First of all, all polls talking about the "best" of anything are subjective depending on who makes the poll. Many polls like that have worked, this one didn't because of assholes like you who find the need to criticize the poll instead of just fucking voting. I don't care if YOU don't think this poll wouldn't have worked, because that really doesn't make a fucking difference. The drummers I mentioned are considered by many critics (not including myself) to be the best, and my opinion (considering that I've played drums for nearly a decade) certainly has more validity then someone who doesn't even play the instrument or know who half the good drummers are out there (aka YOU). Next, Led Zeppelin is not considered heavy metal by today's standards by most people who know what metal is. It is still classified as such in some places, but notice the sites you mentioned are far from music-oriented. The terms "heavy metal" and "hard rock" have often been used interchangeably, particularly in discussing bands of the 1970s, a period when the terms were largely synonymous.[53] For example, the 1983 Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock & Roll includes this passage: "known for its aggressive blues-based hard-rock style, Aerosmith was the top American heavy-metal band of the mid-Seventies."[54] Few would now characterize Aerosmith's classic sound, with its clear links to traditional rock and roll, as "heavy metal." Even some acts closely identified with the emergence of the genre, such as Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple, are not considered heavy metal bands by some in the present-day metal community. There's my passage, and there's my proof. Led Zeppelin could certainly have been deemed heavy metal by the standards back then, but definitely not now when you listen to other heavy metal bands out there. Lastly, I told you to PM me, but I guess you have no standards whatsoever and feel like something is gained by spamming this topic. |
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| ZOMFG!!!! j00 n00bs. Metal always has been and always will be a genre of rock. Btw Keith Moon is the best drummer of all time. Pink Floyd are the best band of all time. The who are the best rock band of all time. Opeth are the best metal band of all time. The band are the best band called the band of all time. It looks like i am the only anime fan that knows anything about music =P |
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opeth_syndrome said: ZOMFG!!!! j00 n00bs. Metal always has been and always will be a genre of rock. oh i forgot about this thread. thank you, finally looks like some other anime fan knows about music. Ecstasy said: Even some acts closely identified with the emergence of the genre, such as Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple, are not considered heavy metal bands by some in the present-day metal community. There's my passage, and there's my proof. Led Zeppelin could certainly have been deemed heavy metal by the standards back then, but definitely not now when you listen to other heavy metal bands out there. keyword: some. so much for your proof there. I'm not gonna bother writing any more long responses to someone who clearly has demonstrated illiteracy. |
kei-clone said: opeth_syndrome said: ZOMFG!!!! j00 n00bs. Metal always has been and always will be a genre of rock. oh i forgot about this thread. thank you, finally looks like some other anime fan knows about music. Ecstasy said: Even some acts closely identified with the emergence of the genre, such as Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple, are not considered heavy metal bands by some in the present-day metal community. There's my passage, and there's my proof. Led Zeppelin could certainly have been deemed heavy metal by the standards back then, but definitely not now when you listen to other heavy metal bands out there. keyword: some. so much for your proof there. I'm not gonna bother writing any more long responses to someone who clearly has demonstrated illiteracy. It seems you're the one who's illiterate because I clearly stated, "It is still classified as such in some places, but notice the sites you mentioned are far from music-oriented." I am one of the people who deem Led Zeppelin as not metal, and I took into account the word "some" when i was writing my response. If you consider my response illiterate then you're clearly a retard. |
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| LOL you seem to love trying to fight me. Okay then but you admit that Led Zeppelin can be considered heavy metal, which is quite a departure from your absolute statements before attacking my apparent lack of experience in rock. LASTLY, Led Zeppelin is NOT and never will be metal right right. well good to see you've learned that this is merely your own opinion. I'll have to clarify that this is my opinion as well, and I only brought those articles up just to have fun discrediting you. As you can see, your opinion that metal is not rock is not fact, despite your touted 10 years of drumming. Unlike my claim of Led Zeppelin being part of the heavy metal genre, which I myself do not believe, the majority of rock listeners and players do believe metal is a sub-genre of rock, and thus IS a type of rock. Now I hope we can come to more amiable conclusion here. |
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