| I could of been an angel surrounded by pure serenity before someone decided to transfer my soul into some baby body. The thing is we are still oblivious about stuff that really matter, we all have philosophical questions from time to time. I suppose the most logical thing is that when we die thats it, no heaven or hell or anything ridiculous like that, but still even than. How can 2 or even 1 person decide for the person they are going to bring on the world to bring him/her on the world without his/her approval? Isnt that completely selfish? Do people even realise what they are doing when they put another being on this world? I think they only do this for selfish reasons. |
| ye man i feel ya i could be in paradise right now with my harem of kawaii neko girls, but my horrible parents gave birth to me. I wish they would just die now fucking assholes, how dare they give me life. |
| If everyone would think like that, we humans should be extinct long ago. (By the time they can start to think) |
Yato-kun said: not totally positive.If everyone would think like that, we humans should be extinct long ago. (By the time they can start to think) |
| anime with cute girls is my thing. |
Gutsa said: If I ever have a child, it will be for the sole reason of improving my own life in some way.I think they only do this for selfish reasons. You're taking the position that there exists a conscious form of "you" when you are not/were not alive... |
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| Oh, so this is the gutsa from irc. Neato. gutsa said: Never thought of it that way. Interesting little idea.How can 2 or even 1 person decide for the person they are going to bring on the world to bring him/her on the world without his/her approval? Isnt that completely selfish? Do people even realise what they are doing when they put another being on this world? I think they only do this for selfish reasons. I'm thankful for being born, so I don't think I can ever quite tackle this dilemma. Oroboro said: Ah, there you go. An excellent answer.You have the right to die if you don't want to live. |
otaking97 said: I disagree. People need to think more, but they should keep their thoughts to themselves.People need to stop thinking so much. Seriously. |
Oroboro said: You have the right to die if you don't want to live. To overcome the fear of death and instinct to live is very difficult, even if one hates to live. I admire all those brave people who killed themselves. |
Oroboro said: well i don't have the right to die i mean suicide is not allowed its against the law so i would be fucked if i failed and besides if i succeed then i can't watch anime so i am not really sure if i even want to try.You have the right to die if you don't want to live. |
| anime with cute girls is my thing. |
text27 said: Oroboro said: well i don't have the right to die i mean suicide is not allowed its against the law so i would be fucked if i failed and besides if i succeed then i can't watch anime so i am not really sure if i even want to try.You have the right to die if you don't want to live. It's against the law to not want to live? The fuck? I think there are ways simple ways not to fail, I don't recommend anyone killing themselves... but yeah |
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Grimatic said: yeah i know that their are simple ways not to fail but i was never good at making explosives anyways.text27 said: Oroboro said: well i don't have the right to die i mean suicide is not allowed its against the law so i would be fucked if i failed and besides if i succeed then i can't watch anime so i am not really sure if i even want to try.You have the right to die if you don't want to live. It's against the law to not want to live? The fuck? I think there are ways simple ways not to fail, I don't recommend anyone killing themselves... but yeah |
| anime with cute girls is my thing. |
otaking97 said: Worst advice ever.People need to stop thinking so much. Seriously. |
Makomonogatari said: lupadim said: The best part is that you somehow actually exist.And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong |
| Sorry if this is too technical, but half of your origins did have a form of choice. Human women have one egg that can be fertilized at a time. Yes, the egg can split and that's how we get twins but its still one egg. However, the male gametes have a rather populated race. You would have been a different person had a different sperm won the race. Therefore, you could say, that part of you wanted to be something more on some level. Now you sort of casually mention the possibility of being an angel before being born but later question whether you just disappear when you die. I'm sure you know, its rather difficult to have it both ways. However, now I'm going to stop being technical and address what the real question is, as I see it. You feel resentful of your responsibilities of a human being and are looking for some way out of them. I won't lie and say that I don't think that way at times. I can tell you though, that I always come to the same conclusion eventually: you're here. There's a reason your here. Find meaning in life and keep moving forward. Anything negative that you conclude is just going to make you more miserable. |
text27 said: Grimatic said: yeah i know that their are simple ways not to fail but i was never good at making explosives anyways.text27 said: Oroboro said: well i don't have the right to die i mean suicide is not allowed its against the law so i would be fucked if i failed and besides if i succeed then i can't watch anime so i am not really sure if i even want to try.You have the right to die if you don't want to live. It's against the law to not want to live? The fuck? I think there are ways simple ways not to fail, I don't recommend anyone killing themselves... but yeah ? Guns, jump from high, hang yourself etc. |
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Battlechili1 said: Because if you'd stop thinking you'd revert to an animal relying on base instincts.geezdad said: otaking97 said: Worst advice ever.People need to stop thinking so much. Seriously. He has a point though. Why is this question so important? What does it matter why people have kids? What does it matter who has the right to put someone on this planet? Said person is already on this Earth, so why not just make the most out of the life he or she is currently living? Questions like this aren't important. Asking questions and thinking about things can be a good thing I suppose, but this question and questions like this seem silly. |
| At human point of view, yes, it's selfish. But if you want to bring the "soul" subject, try to search a little more at least. |
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Battlechili1 said: He doesn't have a point. Asking questions about yourself, the reason why, etc are in fact important.geezdad said: otaking97 said: Worst advice ever.People need to stop thinking so much. Seriously. He has a point though. Why is this question so important? What does it matter why people have kids? What does it matter who has the right to put someone on this planet? Said person is already on this Earth, so why not just make the most out of the life he or she is currently living? Questions like this aren't important. Asking questions and thinking about things can be a good thing I suppose, but this question and questions like this seem silly. |
Makomonogatari said: lupadim said: The best part is that you somehow actually exist.And the best part is that no one can prove it wrong |
SwordsmanDan said: Sorry if this is too technical, but half of your origins did have a form of choice. Human women have one egg that can be fertilized at a time. Yes, the egg can split and that's how we get twins but its still one egg. However, the male gametes have a rather populated race. You would have been a different person had a different sperm won the race. Therefore, you could say, that part of you wanted to be something more on some level. Now you sort of casually mention the possibility of being an angel before being born but later question whether you just disappear when you die. I'm sure you know, its rather difficult to have it both ways. However, now I'm going to stop being technical and address what the real question is, as I see it. You feel resentful of your responsibilities of a human being and are looking for some way out of them. I won't lie and say that I don't think that way at times. I can tell you though, that I always come to the same conclusion eventually: you're here. There's a reason your here. Find meaning in life and keep moving forward. Anything negative that you conclude is just going to make you more miserable. I'm liking this reply the most so far. |
| I've always felt life was a punishment . I just realised maybe it's not. If it is, then when my punishment is over it's over. There's nothing I can really do. Just trying to live as best as I can. I've always just tried to live a life where you better yourself . I guess a lot of things in life are self inflicted suffering as well. Not all. But if you're able to get up, out and on with stuff it's really only you holding you back. I think of it as this. If I am being punished then I have to do my very best to earn forgiveness. Life can be pretty terrible at times. is there anything you can do to alleviate the suffering for others and instead of asking what the world can do for you, what YOU can do for the world. Be a hero, be Bill Nye or Ken Ham, be a clown , be something of value to the people around you and show them you can rise above hate. Make your accidental birth mean something if it has no meaning . |
| If you learned how life and reproduction works you wouldn't think you're a special snowflake coming from some magical force. How your body comes into existence is nearly identical to all other mammals. How the gametes even formed in the first place is the same for eukaryotic animal cells. You need to go down to the DNA level (chain of nucleic acid which make up the chromosomes inside of each cell) and look at the variation in A-T/G-C sequences to differentiate between species. And even then, it's 99% similar to a chimpanzee's. Your existence is decided because of nature and the fact that sexual selection is so overwhelmingly important for life to function (because no sex = no reproduction, so those genes that prioritized reproduction end up being reproduced more often, leading to that quality to persist and exist in the gene pool) that all species have evolved to essentially prioritize it (hence, the ever-present desire to f*** or ridiculous features on other living things). That combined with the "biological clock" of a female leads to people choosing to have offspring. You were nothing but two haploid sex cells: the sperm coming from the male and an egg from the female which were both produced via meiosis (the function of cell division that produces the daughter cells for reproduction). So short answer: Your parents, who are genetically programmed to do so (or at least have a considerable urge to do so, which is in the case of all existing species, because if they didn't have this trait the species wouldn't exist anymore since they didn't have an urge to reproduce in the first place). The truth can be depressing or very interesting, and I take it as the latter. The marvels of even the most simple functions we take for granted are incredible upon closer observation, and even looking at the structure of your hand and how it functions is really an impressive feat, since our bodies are programmed to function near-optimally. Even simple things like the distribution and staggering of the forms on the body have purpose for the sake of balance and weight distribution. And when you look at how other species have evolved for specific purposes to match their environments, you get some really cool-looking things with some bizarre functions, all of which make perfect sense. |
FuiFeb 8, 2014 12:35 PM
| Nobody has the right to say that because nothing matters anyway. You were born because your parents wanted a baby, I don't know why. It's better to get a dog. |
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Fui said: If you learned how life and reproduction works you wouldn't think you're a special snowflake coming from some magical force. How your body comes into existence is nearly identical to all other mammals. How the gametes even formed in the first place is the same for eukaryotic animal cells. You need to go down to the DNA level (chain of nucleic acid which make up the chromosomes inside of each cell) and look at the variation in A-T/G-C sequences to differentiate between species. And even then, it's 99% similar to a chimpanzee's. Your existence is decided because of nature and the fact that sexual selection is so overwhelmingly important for life to function (because no sex = no reproduction, so those genes that prioritized reproduction end up being reproduced more often, leading to that quality to persist and exist in the gene pool) that all species have evolved to essentially prioritize it (hence, the ever-present desire to f*** or ridiculous features on other living things). That combined with the "biological clock" of a female leads to people choosing to have offspring. You were nothing but two haploid sex cells: the sperm coming from the male and an egg that hasn't been washed out yet via a period which were both produced via meiosis (the function of cell division that produces the daughter cells for reproduction). So short answer: Your parents, who are genetically programmed to do so (or at least have a considerable urge to do so, which is in the case of all existing species, because if they didn't have this trait the species wouldn't exist anymore since they didn't have an urge to reproduce in the first place). The truth can be depressing or very interesting, and I take it as the latter. The marvels of even the most simple functions we take for granted are incredible upon closer observation, and even looking at the structure of your hand and how it functions is really an impressive feat, since our bodies are programmed to function near-optimally. Even simple things like the distribution and staggering of the forms on the body have purpose for the sake of balance and weight distribution. And when you look at how other species have evolved for specific purposes to match their environments, you get some really cool-looking things with some bizarre functions, all of which make perfect sense. With 7 billion humans on this world mass reproduction is no longer needed and could prove disadvantage for our own species. The fact you have an urge to reproduce does not mean you have to act upon it. |
Gutsa said: Fui said: If you learned how life and reproduction works you wouldn't think you're a special snowflake coming from some magical force. How your body comes into existence is nearly identical to all other mammals. How the gametes even formed in the first place is the same for eukaryotic animal cells. You need to go down to the DNA level (chain of nucleic acid which make up the chromosomes inside of each cell) and look at the variation in A-T/G-C sequences to differentiate between species. And even then, it's 99% similar to a chimpanzee's. Your existence is decided because of nature and the fact that sexual selection is so overwhelmingly important for life to function (because no sex = no reproduction, so those genes that prioritized reproduction end up being reproduced more often, leading to that quality to persist and exist in the gene pool) that all species have evolved to essentially prioritize it (hence, the ever-present desire to f*** or ridiculous features on other living things). That combined with the "biological clock" of a female leads to people choosing to have offspring. You were nothing but two haploid sex cells: the sperm coming from the male and an egg that hasn't been washed out yet via a period which were both produced via meiosis (the function of cell division that produces the daughter cells for reproduction). So short answer: Your parents, who are genetically programmed to do so (or at least have a considerable urge to do so, which is in the case of all existing species, because if they didn't have this trait the species wouldn't exist anymore since they didn't have an urge to reproduce in the first place). The truth can be depressing or very interesting, and I take it as the latter. The marvels of even the most simple functions we take for granted are incredible upon closer observation, and even looking at the structure of your hand and how it functions is really an impressive feat, since our bodies are programmed to function near-optimally. Even simple things like the distribution and staggering of the forms on the body have purpose for the sake of balance and weight distribution. And when you look at how other species have evolved for specific purposes to match their environments, you get some really cool-looking things with some bizarre functions, all of which make perfect sense. With 7 billion humans on this world mass reproduction is no longer needed and could prove disadvantage for our own species. The fact you have an urge to reproduce does not mean you have to act upon it. Sexual selection works on the individual level and doesn't factor into what's best for other people in the world. Obviously, because we are capable of higher thought, we are able to make our own decisions (although many still don't and ultimately act on their instincts over reason, hence so many teen or other pregnancies. That should go to show how strong that trait is). |
| At least your not being born to be fed to a paedophile like Ian Watkins or Joseph Fritzle. |
| I don't like getting into metaphysicals. You're born, you're alive and that's all there is, why giving it more thought? If you like to be alive, then live on. If you don't like, then suicide. There isn't more to it. |
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| you were simply born because your parents had sex |
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| It's impossible to ask an unborn person if they want to be born... and even if you could, they'd lack the capacity to be able to answer that question because they have no idea what life is like. That's like asking someone who's never even heard of Jamaica if they want to go to Jamaica. Lol |
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friedchicknfairy said: It's impossible to ask an unborn person if they want to be born... and even if you could, they'd lack the capacity to be able to answer that question because they have no idea what life is like. That's like asking someone who's never even heard of Jamaica if they want to go to Jamaica. Lol I would not go to Jamaica because I like it here. There you asked me I answered. |
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Gutsa said: friedchicknfairy said: It's impossible to ask an unborn person if they want to be born... and even if you could, they'd lack the capacity to be able to answer that question because they have no idea what life is like. That's like asking someone who's never even heard of Jamaica if they want to go to Jamaica. Lol I would not go to Jamaica because I like it here. There you asked me I answered. But if you didn't know what kind of place Jamaica was, even if you did answer the question, you'd still have been making a completely uninformed decision~ Another example, someone could ask me if I wanted to try some type of exotic food item, lets call it lewdjuice. I could say "heck no I don't want to try lewd juice, I'm fine with regular food!" but since I have no idea what lewdjuice is or what it tastes like, my decision would have been uninformed. lewdjuice could have been the best thing I would've ever tasted. |
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Tsukiaki said: I don't like getting into metaphysicals. You're born, you're alive and that's all there is, why giving it more thought? If you like to be alive, then live on. If you don't like, then suicide. There isn't more to it. You seem to care very little about other people's life, please refrain from talking about suicide in my thread. |
cabacc2 said: 1. selfishness is a part of being human. I do no necessarily consider it a bad thing I agree with this! Heck, it's a part of being a living organism, lol. |
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| Obviously you can not ask the unborn if they want to be born or not, the question is why would you? |
cabacc2 said: Gutsa said: Obviously you can not ask the unborn if they want to be born or not, the question is why would you? you made this thread. Tell us. I cant see a single reason why you would. so far the answer is that its programmed in our genes to reproduce, the other is selfishness. Those 2 reasons seem wrong to me, atleast in the current state of the world. |
| ITT philosophical-wannabes who can't appreciate what they have and bring the rest of us down with their single-mindedness. You're born into this world to want to live and try to have a good life, regardless of where or how you were born. Stop trying to be so damn hipster by trying to think otherwise, and if you are going to anyway, keep it to yourself. The people who are actually understand and are enjoying their lives don't want to hear it. I'm allergic to your disgusting black rukh. |
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Korrvo said: ITT philosophical-wannabes who can't appreciate what they have and bring the rest of us down with their single-mindedness. You're born into this world to want to live and try to have a good life, regardless of where or how you were born. Stop trying to be so damn hipster by trying to think otherwise, and if you are going to anyway, keep it to yourself. The people who are actually understand and are enjoying their lives don't want to hear it. I'm allergic to your disgusting black rukh. You seem mad, I didnt ask you to be here. Bye. |
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