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Apr 25, 2009 5:37 AM

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The brother sister relationships in this anime are messed up.

Aug 29, 2009 9:52 AM

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Kozue is my second favorite character. I loved when she pushed the guy away when she was done talking to him.

Wow, Miki's a big p-word. And a loser. lol. I hate to say that, I just don't like Miki very much, if I ever did in the past.

I love how much darker the series got.

I've seen the Black Rose Arc a few times but I've seen the first Arc either only once or maybe twice. Now that I have the first Arc in my head, I feel like this episode is a little bit out of character for Kozue. But I'm sure that'll be explained in another episode about them.
Sep 21, 2009 7:30 PM

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Utena's just plowing through these pawns but at least they serve the purpose to shed more back story.


That piano teacher has got to be the creepiest person ever. I don't think you have to get THAT CLOSE to talk and hold him by the hip, doesn't help the fact that miki is well.. miki.

Also Anthy's brother like the other episode loves to sit on the couch in funny ways, nothing major just funny

Nov 12, 2010 6:58 AM

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I love how adorable Miki is <3

Need to know more about Akio~~~
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Mar 16, 2011 3:48 PM
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Stock staircase sequence is a given. It's too bad they decided to use stock fight scenes, end with the same creepy Himemiya thing, and even recycle the little sister with a brother complex who steals her bro's fighting style only to get stomped by Utena. Might as well have been a recap.
Jul 2, 2011 8:04 PM

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Jul 5, 2011 7:31 PM

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I'm sure all this means something...but I'm not sure what.
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Nov 1, 2011 1:34 PM

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That "Choo Choo" at the end was kind of disturbing...

Awwh, poor Kozue though D: I really like her character. Hopefully they'll give her some more screentime in the future.

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Dec 31, 2011 12:50 AM

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So, I'm guessing whoever goes in for an "interview", is assessed on how much of a problem they have with Anthy. I don't really know the correlation between Anthy and the black rose (and black rings) though. This episode seems like on that would be worth re-watching once one has finished the series.
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Jan 23, 2012 12:59 AM

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that is really-really disturbing when anthy said "Choo Choo"

mikey is so adorable!! i can't blame the piano teacher, who wouldn't want to rape someone as cute as him?!!!!!!
May 14, 2012 1:58 PM

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I wonder what's with Anthy at the end. Pretty interesting episode.
Aug 23, 2012 9:04 PM

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Lol they just skip to the prehistoric music now and duel.
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Sep 5, 2012 9:06 PM

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Choo Choo

Never thought that phrase could sound so creepy. Anyway, I am liking the "interview" scenes so far - they are kind of dark and have lots of symbolism. Also, it is cool that Utena is now around for the shadow plays and the she responds to them too.
Sep 13, 2012 4:53 PM

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I'm really glad I'm an only child. The brother/sister relationships in this show would be even more disturbing otherwise.
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Feb 5, 2013 4:17 PM

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Another strange episode, but not much different from what happened in the previous episode. Hope they through me in for a loop here soon to maintain interest in the arc.
Feb 10, 2013 9:31 PM

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I like seeing more of Miki and Kozue's relationship.
I wonder if Kozue really has those types of feelings for her brother or it was just the ring...?
It wouldn't surprise me if she did though... Incestuous feelings aren't uncommon in this anime haha
Mar 30, 2013 10:31 AM
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Anthy and her brother in the ending... Choo Choo... Creepy.
Jul 17, 2013 10:44 PM
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i really liked the new battle song they played in this ep

at least, i think it was new
Sep 6, 2013 1:30 PM

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So, now all of the brothers and sisters in this anime have some kind of incestuous relationship. I can only hope that Utena is truly an only child.

Choo-Choo will haunt me forever.
Nov 22, 2013 3:19 PM

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Akio choo choo~~ :d
Aug 22, 2014 6:51 PM

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[quote=Amaya-dono]That "Choo Choo" at the end was kind of disturbing.../quote]
Ugh, they are going at it every week.
Nov 18, 2014 9:12 PM
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The yandere incest relationships in this anime is quite unique. Also I am enjoying the black rose arc much more than the previous 10+ episodes

Choo Choo~
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Jan 9, 2015 3:42 PM

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Those endings though... E_E

At least Kozue managed to put up some sort of fight with Utena other than the girl who lost in one shot.
Mar 14, 2015 10:12 AM

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something I've been wondering about is why Mamiya wants to be the Rose Bride. to me it sounds like being a Rose Bride isn't that fun and you lose your own will (or something)

oh thank GOD Utena is the only child, she's the only sane character

also, is that the only piano song anyone knows in this anime? it's a nice song but after hearing it so many times it's getting repetitive

Sep 15, 2015 7:29 PM

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This show is a shipper's dream. Both types of dreams: good dreams and nightmares.

Oct 12, 2015 11:30 AM
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lordzeru said:
Another strange episode, but not much different from what happened in the previous episode. Hope they through me in for a loop here soon to maintain interest in the arc.

(For current viewers...) You'll have quite a loop before this arc is done, but these few episodes focus on fleshing out certain secondary characters' relationships with the student council members. Although complaints that the Black Rose Saga is "just filler" get made, they're really not. Ikuhara is a master at the use of repetition in the story context, and everything you're learning now about people will be used again in the future.

Also, there are several other layers of things going on across the entire series that you're not really privy to at this point if it's your first time through, but make all of these absolutely fascinating on repeat viewings.

In short, just sit back, relax, and let the aura of the next few episodes wash over you :)
Feb 6, 2016 7:14 AM

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The last scenes is starting to creep me out

Feb 13, 2016 6:34 PM

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Oh, great another girl with a huge brother complex lol

How many insert songs does this show have? Not that i'm complaining since they're all fucking amazing!
Feb 27, 2016 9:09 PM
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So far I think they are using this sibling relationship to showcase an unhealthy, selfish and destructive way of keeping someone by your side. Kozue weapon, indeed, is the pain she is able to put on Mickey. By keeping him worried, she manage to grab some of his attention, which she genuinely crave for. Why dont simply tell that person your feels, kind of like Micky did to Himemiya ? ... As she state, Kozue, despite being twins, they are very different. Seems she is just trying to pretend something else. Milkshake? too sweet, pass.

In the verge of entirely loosing Mickey, she gave in to hate or darkness or whatever, black rose. Her weapon is promiscuity. She goes to new heights now. Before, she inflected the pain by commanding others, or so she though. Now the plan is rather sinister and by Mickey's reaction, insanity. She tries to win him, and do so with the only way she so far seems to know and understand... naive, perhaps adolescence...

Then I dont know what the heck the letter says but Utena accept to prove wrong to Kozue, implied by her upstairs scene, she is determined, as always. She wins, with some help of Power of dios. Whats power of Dios? You can make assumptions, yet they have not told it yet, I think...

In the end, while sweet, that milkshake tastes really good... they know it!

A history of honesty I may say.

Insert mysterious Himemiya activity, plus a hint to it.

Edit: grammar!
Modified by Sail_Boat, Feb 27, 2016 9:14 PM
Jun 23, 2016 8:05 PM

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Wow the writers have really start to smoke crack with these latest episodes.

But I did like Anthy drinking one of the milkshakes that were on those tables during Utena's duel.

That was a nice touch.
Sep 18, 2016 8:26 PM

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Ston3_FreeN7 said:
I'm sure all this means something...but I'm not sure what.

It's all symbolic of homophobia and life in an oppresive society. Maybe. I don't know. Saying that only cause everyone here's pretty gay.

Jokes aside tho, I would like to understand what this is supposed to represent too. I'm liking the show but feel like I'm missing the big picture.
Nov 29, 2016 1:45 PM

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At this point I'm thinking the writer had a brother complex lol
To be honest, fillers aside, I liked the first arc better. Let's see where this one goes.

Choo choo~
Feb 27, 2017 3:16 PM

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Anthy drunk outta one of the jugs during the duel lmao

choo choo
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May 31, 2017 11:10 PM

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Eh. Although there's nothing inherently wrong with the format and I've seen plenty of mahou shoujo use it well, I can't say I'm too thrilled with the more episodic take on the story. The main characters aren't in focus heavily enough anymore (which many mahou shoujo manage to do well with this format), nor are the focus characters developed well enough for me to care about them (like in, say, a show such as Heartcatch Precure!, which overall handled character drama well even when episodic).

Up until now Utena has been very different from traditional mahou shoujo, so much so that I've been iffy about whether it should be considered one at all. It had a core cast that were themselves the enemies faced regularly, which allowed a lot more time to be spent on developing their respective characters, which along with the mysteries they were tied to made the fights more interesting. Although I don't mind the introduction of more characters to the core cast, abandoning the former format for something closer to a traditional one is only revealing that this is worse at the traditional format than its contemporaries.

Stick to what you're been doing well if you can't do something new just as well, I say.

I did find the new lines about smashing "the world's cage" by Nanami during the student council entrance to be interesting.

Also tfw "choo choo" at the end. The relationships in this show are so messed up at times.
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Aug 10, 2017 3:06 PM

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The seminar got to Miki's sister, huh? The look in her eyes after the Black Rose possessed her was downright freaky. And of course, there was that scene where she tried to come on to her brother...can no one in this anime have a normal relationship with their sibling?
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Aug 11, 2017 6:06 PM
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Kozue gets around, but Miki can't. Another messed up sibling relationship. She casually assaults teachers too.

Not a fan of them forgetting everything after the rose is destroyed, but do the dark thoughts that created the rose also disappear after it is cut?

Would probably prefer less battles too, though I'd miss the awesome music, it's taking up quite a it of screentime.
Sep 8, 2017 1:05 AM

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Maybe I'm a little late in realizing this, but this school is really not safe for minors at all.

All aboard the creep train! CHOO CHOO

Jan 3, 2018 1:22 PM

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So i see incest or incest fantasies are a regular thing in this anime xD wasn't expecting it at all. What truly surprises me is how much of a cleaver one Anthy is; at first glance she seems so defenseless and without any will or freedom of her own, but then we start grasping all this 'dark' sides of her, the mystery surrounding her character is real af.

LeeTailor said:

All aboard the creep train! CHOO CHOO

"Choo Choo" LOOL. Nailed it for sure.
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Mar 7, 2018 1:16 PM

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Since they've started the whole Student Council Sword thing. My guess is that the next evil mook is going to be Juri's ex-boyfriend or her old best friend, because you know all her backst... Wait, lemme watch the preview real quick...

Well, well, well, well. It's the infamous Cow episode, which means MORE FILLER. Never have I ever been happier to get some filler in an anime. The plot CAN and WILL wait.
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Apr 14, 2018 3:44 PM

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Choo Choo.

I honestly don't think that Anthy has "such" a relationship with her brother.
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Dec 26, 2018 5:44 PM

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Can't say I particularly care for these secondary characters :x Here I was kinda hoping new arc would end "battle of the week" routine, but guess not.
Feb 8, 12:03 PM

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At some point someone in this series will have a normal, somewhat healthy relationship with their sibling. Maybe.
May 14, 1:05 PM

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Sibling relationships in Utena are really bizarre, I have to say.

I wonder if the scene with Miki and the music teacher being close is real or exists only on Kozue's imagination.

Anyway, this episode is as enjoyable as always - and not without its symbolism. I believe that all the propellers at the student council meetings represent the wind and kinda imply that the council has nothing to do at the moment. This is proved by the fact that there're no letters from the End of the World.

Also, when Akio started talking about watching the moon with Anthy, I instantly understood that they make love with each other. "Moon" and "love" sound almost identical in Japanese, and representing love through the moon is a common metaphor in anime.
Jul 10, 11:51 AM

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What if Chuchu is prince.