Chrome Shelled Regios Episode 14 Discussion
Apr 13, 2009 6:37 PM
In the lost regios ep. Layfon lays out a strategy for the survival of the platoon, and Nina questions him "For the sake of survival?" I think that shows that Layfon cherishes the platoon.
Nina wants to do things the honorable way like a bushido. Layfon is willing to do dishonorable things and that is where they clash. However, this is a problem of does the ends justify the means.
And obviously it is a controversial issue. But I do not believe their goals are against one another. That is why they do not argue a lot. Both of them prioritize the safety of the city and the platoon. The only difference is the method used. Nina will go head to head while Layfon sneaks around.
I think this is shown symbolically in the tracking of Dinn. Layfon was sneaking on top of a building following Dinn while Nina just directly goes to Dinn and tells him to stop using Overload.
A big difference in methods. But the end result is to get Dinn to turn back. That is why I think this anime is very sneaky in symbolism eh? :p
Apr 13, 2009 6:38 PM
I think that the simple fact is that: Nina is a pussy and knows she can't win without Layfon, therefore she'll forgive him under the guise of having "control" over him. She is nowhere near as virtuous as she makes herself up to be in my opinion, but hey, we'll probably never know.
Apr 13, 2009 6:46 PM
If you take a look back to their first fight with filth monsters (episode 5 or 6, can't remember) where he told them not to go, they'll get killed, she didn't listen.
Now, what happened. Layfon didn't join because of her, he didn't join fight because of city or platoon.
He said to himself: "I must fight to survive". That's what happened. So no, I wouldn't say he wants to protect city any more than he wants to protect himself.
And yea, noteDhero, I don't think she is pussy, I just think she is naive.
She enters fights she can't win because she is too proud to understand that sometimes winning is impossible (Guess she never read "The art of war" :) ).
But yeah, she does think she has control over him, she was thinking about that during their fight against mature filth monster. Again, naive.
Apr 13, 2009 6:50 PM
Layfon wants to protect the student life he has in Zuelini. When he thought of the normal days with Mei-shen etc. it motivated him to defeat the filth monster in that arc.
So I still keep my belief that he wants to protect the city. If he didn't he wouldn't obey the sneaky president's orders. =)
Apr 13, 2009 6:56 PM
I still think he wants to protect himself more than other things.
Why is he fighting than? Because he already learned that 90% of those students are good for nothing. Meaning if fighting comes, they won't be able to protect city.
I do not doubt he wants to stay there and live normally, after all, where can he go anyway?
And I do not doubt he is a good person, after all, he stood up for Diin in this episode. He could have backed up, but he has a sense of loyalty and moral standings (he proved that long time ago).
I just think that he is willing to do sacrifices to survive, unlike others, especially Nina.
Apr 13, 2009 6:57 PM
Yeah, after I submitted that, I realized that wasn't the word I wanted to use. She is naive, and really too immature to be a platoon leader. I just don't really get how she got that far. Especially concerning how she failed in that intercity match.
I don't see it so much that way. Layfon was sneaking around, but those were his orders. He wasn't doing anything to keep himself alive. What Nina did was disregard orders because she thought she had a better plan. I do see what you were trying to say though, but in this case it doesn't really work. Also, because we still don't have 100% of the picture, I'm still not so sure that Layfon did anything wrong. Everytime that Layfon has done something to save himself, it's only when he really had no other choice.
Modified by noteDhero, Apr 13, 2009 7:00 PM
Apr 13, 2009 7:05 PM
Oh right, I guess he was on orders. I think the president put Nina as a platoon leader because he knows she has a fairy inside her. Which will probably play a part later.
However, my point is that Nina tends to be blunt and direct. She is way too honest and naive :p
I think Nina is more of an idealist and Layfon is the realist. One is trying to sacrifice herself for an ideal while the other is trying to minimize damages and maximize survival for sake of himself and others.
However, Layfon does not want to use his powers if it possible. That is why he is so reluctant to use a katana etc.
Modified by eschiver, Apr 13, 2009 7:08 PM
Apr 13, 2009 7:24 PM
I actually think he is changing.
The reason he refuses katana is (imho) that he wants to leave his past (not his friends from past (that girl)) in the past. He did some things, and now he wants to forget those things and move on.
Now, I don't think he is ashamed of what he did (ep 10, he calls guy he killed irrelevant), but he just wants to move on, doesn't want to be forever connected to his past. I might be wrong.
Guess we'll see...
It's 4.30am here, and I think I should stop commenting on fictional character.
Can't wait for the next episode etc etc etc etc etc.
Apr 13, 2009 7:34 PM
I agree with both of you, Nina is definitely an idealist while Layfon is much more pragmatic having seen how the world works. But Nina's point brings me to the problem I'm having with Layfon: he clearly wants to leave the past in the past, yet being as pragmatic as he is, he just can't seem to see the situation for what it is. He is Zuellini's only hope, and he needs to get over his issues about the past in order to really be of any help to anyone. I know, I know, he didn't even want to be in military arts, but he doesn't really have a choice anymore. If he's going to survive, he needs to take all of these threats a little more seriously. Of course, it could be that he has yet to actually feel threatened by anyone and that's why he hasn't felt the need to use a katana, but he should be able to see that things are spiraling downward by now.
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The other battle battle with the katana guy was also too short :(
I realize it's an anime, but you guys do realize a real sword fight between two expert swordsmen should last no longer than about 20 seconds right? It's one of the most realistic battle in the series so far in my opinion.
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Maannnn Layfon is a bit "over-powered" dont'cha think? xD
Overall, pretty good episode, I enjoyed it! Needs more Felli though. ;)
He ain't overpowered at all, everyone else is underpowered.
This show is getting boring in recent episodes though, because I don't understand why they are wasting time with stupid things like the squad tournaments, when it's pretty clear that Layfon could probably destroy all the units put together by himself. And the characters still acting all retardedly surprised when he beats their ass, despite having already shown how much better he is on multiple occasions.
Waste of screen time even having him involved in that, just bring on some half decent opponents, like other heavens blades.
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