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| I think that the simple fact is that: Nina is a pussy and knows she can't win without Layfon, therefore she'll forgive him under the guise of having "control" over him. She is nowhere near as virtuous as she makes herself up to be in my opinion, but hey, we'll probably never know. |
| If you take a look back to their first fight with filth monsters (episode 5 or 6, can't remember) where he told them not to go, they'll get killed, she didn't listen. Now, what happened. Layfon didn't join because of her, he didn't join fight because of city or platoon. He said to himself: "I must fight to survive". That's what happened. So no, I wouldn't say he wants to protect city any more than he wants to protect himself. And yea, noteDhero, I don't think she is pussy, I just think she is naive. She enters fights she can't win because she is too proud to understand that sometimes winning is impossible (Guess she never read "The art of war" :) ). But yeah, she does think she has control over him, she was thinking about that during their fight against mature filth monster. Again, naive. |
| I still think he wants to protect himself more than other things. Why is he fighting than? Because he already learned that 90% of those students are good for nothing. Meaning if fighting comes, they won't be able to protect city. I do not doubt he wants to stay there and live normally, after all, where can he go anyway? And I do not doubt he is a good person, after all, he stood up for Diin in this episode. He could have backed up, but he has a sense of loyalty and moral standings (he proved that long time ago). I just think that he is willing to do sacrifices to survive, unlike others, especially Nina. |
| Yeah, after I submitted that, I realized that wasn't the word I wanted to use. She is naive, and really too immature to be a platoon leader. I just don't really get how she got that far. Especially concerning how she failed in that intercity match. @eschiver I don't see it so much that way. Layfon was sneaking around, but those were his orders. He wasn't doing anything to keep himself alive. What Nina did was disregard orders because she thought she had a better plan. I do see what you were trying to say though, but in this case it doesn't really work. Also, because we still don't have 100% of the picture, I'm still not so sure that Layfon did anything wrong. Everytime that Layfon has done something to save himself, it's only when he really had no other choice. |
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| I actually think he is changing. The reason he refuses katana is (imho) that he wants to leave his past (not his friends from past (that girl)) in the past. He did some things, and now he wants to forget those things and move on. Now, I don't think he is ashamed of what he did (ep 10, he calls guy he killed irrelevant), but he just wants to move on, doesn't want to be forever connected to his past. I might be wrong. Guess we'll see... It's 4.30am here, and I think I should stop commenting on fictional character. Can't wait for the next episode etc etc etc etc etc. |
| I agree with both of you, Nina is definitely an idealist while Layfon is much more pragmatic having seen how the world works. But Nina's point brings me to the problem I'm having with Layfon: he clearly wants to leave the past in the past, yet being as pragmatic as he is, he just can't seem to see the situation for what it is. He is Zuellini's only hope, and he needs to get over his issues about the past in order to really be of any help to anyone. I know, I know, he didn't even want to be in military arts, but he doesn't really have a choice anymore. If he's going to survive, he needs to take all of these threats a little more seriously. Of course, it could be that he has yet to actually feel threatened by anyone and that's why he hasn't felt the need to use a katana, but he should be able to see that things are spiraling downward by now. |
| Cheap quick battles are not cool >.< |
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| the fight was very short^^ but overall,the episode is great:) |
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| Nice episode, i'm still a bit disappointed at the ridiculously short fights. I thought Din would become super powerful with the Haikizoku, obliging Layfon to fight seriously... The other battle battle with the katana guy was also too short :( The ending was sad, but well, even if his will was pure, he deserved it for taking the wrong path. |
noteDhero said: I'm not taking anything out of context. My argument was that Nina is inconsistent in her feelings toward Layfon, and I pointed to those places in particular to prove my point. I think calling Nina forgetful is accurate because from episode to episode, and sometimes scene to scene, her treatment of Layfon is vastly different. Are their personalities consistent? Yes. Are their interactions growing in any way? No. If this show is about Platoon 17 developing, then we don't really see that. It's still Layfon doing the brunt of the work with Nina doing next to nothing and being angry while Felli and Sharnid are on the sidelines. The team has not grown as a whole, and this past arc was a good spot for it to happen, but instead, Sharnid went lone wolf, and Layfon still has next to no understanding of him. Me have one thing to say about Nina, she have system problems. Is because she died and fairy got her back up but maybe that not perfect. So now she have problems like remembering. |
japanme32 said: noteDhero said: I'm not taking anything out of context. My argument was that Nina is inconsistent in her feelings toward Layfon, and I pointed to those places in particular to prove my point. I think calling Nina forgetful is accurate because from episode to episode, and sometimes scene to scene, her treatment of Layfon is vastly different. Are their personalities consistent? Yes. Are their interactions growing in any way? No. If this show is about Platoon 17 developing, then we don't really see that. It's still Layfon doing the brunt of the work with Nina doing next to nothing and being angry while Felli and Sharnid are on the sidelines. The team has not grown as a whole, and this past arc was a good spot for it to happen, but instead, Sharnid went lone wolf, and Layfon still has next to no understanding of him. Me have one thing to say about Nina, she have system problems. Is because she died and fairy got her back up but maybe that not perfect. So now she have problems like remembering. Don't judge her that way. Blame the anime for not showing they made up after the events of the lost city. |
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MrTerrorist said: japanme32 said: noteDhero said: I'm not taking anything out of context. My argument was that Nina is inconsistent in her feelings toward Layfon, and I pointed to those places in particular to prove my point. I think calling Nina forgetful is accurate because from episode to episode, and sometimes scene to scene, her treatment of Layfon is vastly different. Are their personalities consistent? Yes. Are their interactions growing in any way? No. If this show is about Platoon 17 developing, then we don't really see that. It's still Layfon doing the brunt of the work with Nina doing next to nothing and being angry while Felli and Sharnid are on the sidelines. The team has not grown as a whole, and this past arc was a good spot for it to happen, but instead, Sharnid went lone wolf, and Layfon still has next to no understanding of him. Me have one thing to say about Nina, she have system problems. Is because she died and fairy got her back up but maybe that not perfect. So now she have problems like remembering. Don't judge her that way. Blame the anime for not showing they made up after the events of the lost city. Yes, ok, details are missing but you not think Nina affected by that death? |
| I don't understand why Layfon won't use a katana.. If he is most skilllful with the katana, why would he use a sword instead? Perhaps, Fon-Fon is trying to give his enemies an edge, while doing himself a handicap. Battle ends, happy ending.. |
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| that should shut up the other dude for complaining. if he can't beat layfon with his handicap, he should just go home and be a family man. |
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akuma2002 said: The other battle battle with the katana guy was also too short :( I realize it's an anime, but you guys do realize a real sword fight between two expert swordsmen should last no longer than about 20 seconds right? It's one of the most realistic battle in the series so far in my opinion. |
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superman89 said: eschiver said: I cracked up when my expectation of an epic sword v. katana fight was ruined in 3 seconds... One hit KOs are cheap. >.> I agree 100%...Was like that's it...??? The queen's an odd character, so no telling who she's referring to. It's hard to tell if she's actually on the side of Leerin as a friend, or just wants to use her power... Yea the sword v. katana was kinda stupid lol. I think the queen just wants to protect Leerin so thats why she became her friend. |
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| I thought Nina didn't want Layfon to be part of the platoon?? That was NEVER resolved. |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
| Maannnn Layfon is a bit "over-powered" dont'cha think? xD Overall, pretty good episode, I enjoyed it! Needs more Felli though. ;) |
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| Layfon's battle was such a disappointment. I liked some of it, but most was just, ahh, its ok, not really interesting though. I give a 1/5. |
| The battle was underwhelming >__< |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| Pretty nice intensity build-up on the battle, although it didn't have that much actual action. |
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| "Well Done, Dinn" ~Nina Shitty dialogue much? Seriously, that's like commending someone on steroids because theya re so strong lol. Fucking stupid as hell Nina, where's ur morals? Nina tries to be all "good". Well that's not how the world works, Nina.... I predict Nina is going to "absorb" that Haikizokku. Holy SHIT that execution. Baddest scene. 3.5/5 Annoying Nina again |
| No logic how their fight ended in a second lol. Next episode's title already made me laugh. |
| I thought they'd at least put up sort of a fight against Layfon, but he just one-shot them both in succession. |
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