lonehunter88 said: like i said, i'm not denying that there are many people who love AS. i'm sure there are many who would say it out loud. but those who dont really enjoy it usually won't even care to talk about it. but that doesnt mean u can deny them just because they dont voice out their opinions. Well... On my first statement. alpha69 said: You should also consider those who waited for AS to actually finish airing before they start watching and those waiting for WS to finish releasing AND the fact it just finished. I've met a lot of people who are like this. And if you're talking about members now. There's a few there within the top 20 that has even less than 5000 members (Ippo 2 and Aria Origination) In the end, we should just give it more time since it just finished airing. If a year or two pass and it still stays inside the top10. That's when everything will be settled. I'm actually referring to when you compared CLANNAD(both season) and CG(both season) members. I mean sure... it looked like half of the viewers of CLANNAD S1 are the only ones that watched AS. I was actually pointing out that you should also consider those CLANNAD S1 viewers that waited to get either WS or waited for the series to finish before started getting to AS. I've seen a lot off people saying they don't like waiting a week for each episode on a great or any anime. That's why I added in the end that we should give it more time to settle down since it just ended. And my second statement was IF. And since you said it's easier to get high scores with more members. Then I guess my second statement was a blunder. xD |
alpha69Mar 28, 2009 6:30 AM
| oh i misunderstood ur first statement then.. ^^; i suppose there are ppl like that too.. i'm not sure if i can empathize with people like that coz waiting is also part of the fun in watching currently airing animes. we'll see how many they really account for in a few more months then. i dont think i even want to discuss this after a year or two tho.. lol.. it's only easier to get high scores with more members when u look at the formula. with more members, the score difference is usually bigger, but with less members, the score difference is smaller, so the formula is just to balance that out. so it's not fair to say that a series has a better score just becoz it has a minority fanbase. that's wat i wanted to point out. |
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| no, it's easy to understand that people have different tastes. what i'll never understand is how legend of galactic heroes turned from my childhood classic into one of the best anime of all time. is there something i'm missing here? it was good when it came out, yet somehow it elevated to a one of an all time classic masterpiece over 2 decades after its release? the formula is (WR) = (v / (v + m)) * S + (m / (v + m)) * C S = Average score for the Anime (mean). v = Number of votes for the Anime = (Number of people scoring the Anime). m = Minimum votes/scores required to get a calculated score (currently 50 scores required). C = The mean score across the entire Anime DB. as you should be able to see, once there's over 1,000 ratings the number of ratings becomes insignificant. it's "easier" to get a higher score for anime with higher than average ratings, but the amount is pretty insignificant. 3,000 votes of 9 nets you like 8.98, while 10,000 votes of 9 gives you 8.99 you also have to remember that you get a larger census base with more votes, and in all likelihood the range for a standard deviation is going to go down the concept of overrated is overrated itself; i consider ttgl and haruhi overrated, but that doesn't mean everyone else does. it must not be seeing as how the ratings come from everyone's ratings edit: commenting on a previous post, i usually wait until the series is over because i hate waiting, so i know there's other people out there. i just started once they released ep 22 since on the previous season the ending was just an ova |
ShinkenshiMar 28, 2009 8:16 AM
| haha yea i've never even heard of legend of galactic heroes.. ^^; and yea u explained the scoring formula really well.. it just proves wat i said. when there are more ppl voting for an anime, it will balance the differences out. when there are less ppl voting for it, the score becomes more versatile, eg. 1 lower vote will lower the score more when there's less ppl voting for it than when there's more ppl voting for it. i'm not really sure about overrated, but statistically, if an anime gets a high score just because it has lots of viewers, then it's overrated for me. coz that means that there are almost no critics for the anime, which is pretty absurd. p.s. @shinkenshi well, it's ur choice if u want to watch it that way. not my right to complain.. not sure how many votes that accounts for atm, so let's discuss this at a later date. |
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lonehunter88 said: i'm not really sure about overrated, but statistically, if an anime gets a high score just because it has lots of viewers, then it's overrated for me. coz that means that there are almost no critics for the anime, which is pretty absurd. . I think statistically it's been shown that more viewers/^ratings = more critics, more people who say "nay" because they want to be indy and without a cause, and more people who will genuinely dislike it. On top of that key specifically, there will be people who hate on/rate bias against Clannad/~AS~ because they really liked Air and Kanon; enough that seeing ~AS~ ahead pisses them off. I think if there are less critics, it just means it was good enough that a lot of people accepted it as a good series. |
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just-away said: I think statistically it's been shown that more viewers/^ratings = more critics, more people who say "nay" because they want to be indy and without a cause, and more people who will genuinely dislike it. On top of that key specifically, there will be people who hate on/rate bias against Clannad/~AS~ because they really liked Air and Kanon; enough that seeing ~AS~ ahead pisses them off. I think if there are less critics, it just means it was good enough that a lot of people accepted it as a good series. no, you misunderstood the explanation. it's just easier to get a better score when there are more viewers.. with more voters, the score won't change that much just because of a few 1/10 votes. i think of critics as people who are not bias, and who provide valid reason for their scoring. so people who score an anime high can also be a critic as long as they are familiar with the industry and the genre. ppl who rate low on bias are not critics, but anti-fans, and ppl who rate high on bias are fans. there's where the critics come in, to balance out the score and give a moderate opinion. so if an anime is popular and has lots of fans and just a few critics, the score is not balanced. p.s. i never said clannad is overrated, but the number of critics are certainly very few when i look at these forums |
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| Hm? I'm not sure what I'm following what you're saying. My post was pointing out that essentially no one anime have an advantage over another just because they have more votes; after 3000 votes, the differences from the vote-number in the weighted average is less than 0.01, essentially an non-issue for all the top 50 anime. You DO get higher ratings for well acclaimed anime if you have more user ratings, but the difference is under 0.01 at most for the series in discussion (if any at all). There will always be haters votings 0s and 1s, but generally the ratio won't change drastically regardless of whether you have 1,000 ratings or100,000 ratings (i.e. where as 10 out of 1,000 people vote ones, there'll be roughly 1,000/100,000 voting ones if census base increase). Finally, you are missing the point regarding to ratings versus census base. Clannad can be considered overrated, no doubt. For it to have ~9 average with 15k votes, that means more people gave it a 10 than people who rated it 1-8 combined. However, does that make LoGH or Aria less overrated? There's only 3,000 and 5,000 users respectively; that does not change the fact that more people rated those respective series a 10 than 1-8 combined. However, the term overrated can only apply to individuals using the term; it's obvious that if the average vote came out to be higher than your own, it met the expectation of the mass better than it did yours. In a sense, everyone is a critic when it comes to these things; you can't tell vote X that the production quality did not meet his standard, nor voter Y that the storyline did not rob her tears dry; there's no way around it. You can be consistent and compare the anime to something you have previously viewed, but it's still built on a subjective list. Critics who calls themselves objective are pulling words out of their ass. I mean let's be honest here, which of the following is subjective? Art? Check. Music? Check. Story? Check. Character? Check. Enjoyment? Check. Oh wait, I just covered the whole list. The day I will admit that someone is writing objective anime reviews is the day I see someone writing solely on the technicality (I'm not even sure how you'd do that, production cost comparison?), and quite honestly at that point I'm not even sure I'd want to read those reviews. |
ShinkenshiMar 28, 2009 9:28 PM
| I'm in despair! Clannad ~After Story~'s high rating has left me in despair! |
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Ontario said: I'm in despair! Clannad ~After Story~'s high rating has left me in despair! As a fellow Ontarian myself, reading this made me in despair too ... Shinkenshi said: Hm? I'm not sure what I'm following what you're saying. My post was pointing out that essentially no one anime have an advantage over another just because they have more votes; after 3000 votes, the differences from the vote-number in the weighted average is less than 0.01, essentially an non-issue for all the top 50 anime. You DO get higher ratings for well acclaimed anime if you have more user ratings, but the difference is under 0.01 at most for the series in discussion (if any at all). There will always be haters votings 0s and 1s, but generally the ratio won't change drastically regardless of whether you have 1,000 ratings or100,000 ratings (i.e. where as 10 out of 1,000 people vote ones, there'll be roughly 1,000/100,000 voting ones if census base increase). Finally, you are missing the point regarding to ratings versus census base. Clannad can be considered overrated, no doubt. For it to have ~9 average with 15k votes, that means more people gave it a 10 than people who rated it 1-8 combined. However, does that make LoGH or Aria less overrated? There's only 3,000 and 5,000 users respectively; that does not change the fact that more people rated those respective series a 10 than 1-8 combined. However, the term overrated can only apply to individuals using the term; it's obvious that if the average vote came out to be higher than your own, it met the expectation of the mass better than it did yours. In a sense, everyone is a critic when it comes to these things; you can't tell vote X that the production quality did not meet his standard, nor voter Y that the storyline did not rob her tears dry; there's no way around it. You can be consistent and compare the anime to something you have previously viewed, but it's still built on a subjective list. Critics who calls themselves objective are pulling words out of their ass. I mean let's be honest here, which of the following is subjective? Art? Check. Music? Check. Story? Check. Character? Check. Enjoyment? Check. Oh wait, I just covered the whole list. The day I will admit that someone is writing objective anime reviews is the day I see someone writing solely on the technicality (I'm not even sure how you'd do that, production cost comparison?), and quite honestly at that point I'm not even sure I'd want to read those reviews. Well said ^_^ Never expected myself to read the whole thing... but I did LOL |
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| Why sweat it if it's below 0.01? This number-crunching society has left me in despair. We should rate how we should rate. We have different standards and we can't say that someone overrated something. An individual's standard is not the same as the other one. For me, I rated it 10 since I loved the series so much. Overrated? Naah I rarely give 10. Clannad AfterStory met MY requirements so why should I hesitate giving it a 10? I think saying "overrated" is just a self-proclaimed mentality. We're rating fair and square here as a whole community. What I don't get is when someone give a 1 or 2 or even 3. That's just damn too cruel..or forced. Anyway, I'm fine with Clannad AS in #5 and I'm also fine with the others even if I haven't watched it yet. Nobody's cheating right? The formula is just okay right? |
| You just spoke my mind. And... Clannad After Story's score is steadily increasing. Will we see it go on top? that would make me very happy. xD |
| Oh it increased by 0.01 again. The path to 9.00 is near ^^ |
| 8.95... seriously? The day this hits 9 is the day I lose all belief in anime. Thank god this isn't as bad as anidb |
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Sylpheed said: I think saying "overrated" is just a self-proclaimed mentality. glad to know more people think like this, the whole use of the word overrated is a rather cheap tool to use for haters and/or people who do not agree on the scores of the shows. I'll admit seeing AS rated this high does not look right to me at all, but same goes to a lot of other shows I just didnt think were that incredible like Code Geass R2, and even Kara no Kyoukai 5. However if an anime is rated so high with such a large viewing base it only makes the scores more credible, sure it makes me despair that so many people seems to think its a masterpiece but I cannot go against their tastes, and if I were to go around claiming AS was just overrated it only makes the person look like a sore loser IMO. Even though i dont agree with this score I still respect it and I still think it was a good show, I gave AS a 9/10 (it was more of an 8.9/10 for me but w/e). |
game8910 said: I'll admit seeing AS rated this high does not look right to me at all ... I gave AS a 9/10 LOL this is what I'm talking about. Not trying to pick on your wording but your post is came up just at the right time. I can understand people who don't like an anime calling it overrated, but how can it be overrated if you're rating it higher than the general consensus? It's like saying, "only I'm allowed to give it a high rating because... or else it'll be overrated?" I don't even know how to follow up on that. I know that overrated is a perspective term, but it doesn't make sense if something overrated is lower than the score you give it; if anything it's underrated. |
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| Wow, #5...kinda shocked about it and yet not at the same time. Oh well...I don't mind it...better than Gurren Lagann being at such a high rank. *rolls eyes* |
| Sequel syndrome doesn't help here. A large amount of people who rate a show low wouldn't watch the sequels, and since this is a sequel... same goes for KnK5, CG R2 and the other various sequels in the top 30. I agree that it is a good show, but I don't think it deserves such a high ranking. Then again, until I see all of the top 30 or so shows I wouldn't trust my own opinion anyway. Certain shows don't deserve to be in the top 100 or so but are still there and there's nothing you can do about it. |
game8910 said: Sylpheed said: I think saying "overrated" is just a self-proclaimed mentality. glad to know more people think like this, the whole use of the word overrated is a rather cheap tool to use for haters and/or people who do not agree on the scores of the shows. I'll admit seeing AS rated this high does not look right to me at all, but same goes to a lot of other shows I just didnt think were that incredible like Code Geass R2, and even Kara no Kyoukai 5. However if an anime is rated so high with such a large viewing base it only makes the scores more credible, sure it makes me despair that so many people seems to think its a masterpiece but I cannot go against their tastes, and if I were to go around claiming AS was just overrated it only makes the person look like a sore loser IMO. Even though i dont agree with this score I still respect it and I still think it was a good show, I gave AS a 9/10 (it was more of an 8.9/10 for me but w/e). Good thinking. That's how it should be ^^ What I do is to watch those series I doubt in the rankings and compare my opinion to others. No rants and whatsoever. Seriously haters should just post why they hate a series and tell us it's only their OPINION. They're always forcing us to hate the series with them lol. |
Sylpheed said: Indeed.game8910 said: Sylpheed said: I think saying "overrated" is just a self-proclaimed mentality. glad to know more people think like this, the whole use of the word overrated is a rather cheap tool to use for haters and/or people who do not agree on the scores of the shows. I'll admit seeing AS rated this high does not look right to me at all, but same goes to a lot of other shows I just didnt think were that incredible like Code Geass R2, and even Kara no Kyoukai 5. However if an anime is rated so high with such a large viewing base it only makes the scores more credible, sure it makes me despair that so many people seems to think its a masterpiece but I cannot go against their tastes, and if I were to go around claiming AS was just overrated it only makes the person look like a sore loser IMO. Even though i dont agree with this score I still respect it and I still think it was a good show, I gave AS a 9/10 (it was more of an 8.9/10 for me but w/e). Good thinking. That's how it should be ^^ What I do is to watch those series I doubt in the rankings and compare my opinion to others. No rants and whatsoever. Seriously haters should just post why they hate a series and tell us it's only their OPINION. They're always forcing us to hate the series with them lol. Man, i couldn't agree more wtih you two. In my eyes, bashing things, and labeling as overrated, seems like an atempt to look cool/different (Like saying: Heh, i'm so unique that i hate that shit. I'm different from you fanboys.) or simplt to look mature. Tho i dan't see anything mature, on bashing up random people. As for the rating, i think that its fair enought. P.S.: I must admit that i surely find funny how people have the courage to say what they think on the internet, but to hold to themselves their bullshit IRL. Seems pretty much hypocrit to me. |
| haha mature is definitely what they aren't, but it is a little hypocritical of us to be looking down on them when we blame them for looking down on us. What would be a good idea i think (and this is just something i thought of spontaeneously without analysis) is another tab in the top anime page that filters out everything but the first season of a show, and then consequently, another tab for sequels. Of course sometimes it's redundant because there are sequels that are clearly better than its predecessor and vice versa, but it'd give some sort of closure and a solution to those who can't stop complaining. Well that's my two cents. |
co_flame said: Maybe use that tabs for filtering other thing.haha mature is definitely what they aren't, but it is a little hypocritical of us to be looking down on them when we blame them for looking down on us. What would be a good idea i think (and this is just something i thought of spontaeneously without analysis) is another tab in the top anime page that filters out everything but the first season of a show, and then consequently, another tab for sequels. Of course sometimes it's redundant because there are sequels that are clearly better than its predecessor and vice versa, but it'd give some sort of closure and a solution to those who can't stop complaining. Well that's my two cents. That would be useful, but not to filter sequels. |
gien said: i hate clanned. I haven't eaven heard of that :0 It's somehow funny how Clannad ~AS~'s points are between 8,95 - 8,96 :'D But I think it deserves those points. |
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| seeing how many people think this is a masterpiece has left me in despair ;-; in my perfect wprld this anime would be rated 8.60 approx |
| A rating is just a rating. People should move on. This anime is the type of genre I watch, so I would most likely give it a high ranking. People who like the complete opposite are most likely not going to watch or rate it. |
game8910 said: in my perfect wprld this anime would be rated 8.60 approx that's coming from someone who gave it a 9. fail more game. ;P |
alpha69 said: What? So 8.60 is an 8 in your world?game8910 said: in my perfect wprld this anime would be rated 8.60 approx that's coming from someone who gave it a 9. fail more game. ;P According to what game said and using MAL's score system, giving it a 9 was a logical thing to do. |
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alpha69 said: game8910 said: in my perfect wprld this anime would be rated 8.60 approx that's coming from someone who gave it a 9. fail more game. ;P you cannot talk until you go finish aria alpha.... :P I'm watching you |
cyruz said: alpha69 said: What? So 8.60 is an 8 in your world?game8910 said: in my perfect wprld this anime would be rated 8.60 approx that's coming from someone who gave it a 9. fail more game. ;P According to what game said and using MAL's score system, giving it a 9 was a logical thing to do. hmm... fair enough. I forgot the fact that MAL scoring doesn't have decimal values. >.> game8910 said: you cannot talk until you go finish aria alpha.... :P I'm watching you I'll go my own pace..."Thank you very much". I'm trying you know. xD |
| I wonder.. It deserves 10 xPP *This is a non-biased opinion* After Story was waay more emotional ;P |
| Top 4 already! YAAAAY!!! |
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CrystalChronicle said: A rating is just a rating. People should move on. Indeed. Theres simply too much arguing over a rating. You dont have to like anything in the top. You could also only enjoy watching those ranked 500+. Ryushi said: Maybe use that tabs for filtering other thing. That would be useful, but not to filter sequels. You cant view what most favorited or most high rated horror animes are for example, unless you looking at each show. Kinda takes up a lot of time. |
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| I love all CLANNAD series, most especially the Tomoyo arc. Yeah, it's too emotional that I really think this is a masterpiece; no anime can yet move me. Yet, this one did it. |
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juanker said: Top 4 already! YAAAAY!!! you can thank whoever is trolling LotGH and KnK 5 to death |
| Every anime that makes as many people cry as Clannad ~AS~ deserves nothing less than a 10! |
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game8910 said: juanker said: Top 4 already! YAAAAY!!! you can thank whoever is trolling LotGH and KnK 5 to death or maybe it's because logh isn't really such a masterpiece either? for me it was good the same way doraemon was good when i saw it as a kid; i'm not sure when it turned from a childhood classic into the best anime ever produced, over a decade after it finished airing. looking at such a low populous for user ratingso it shouldn't be surprising that the average deviates significantly; both series has under 10,000 ratings. not that it matters; mal ratings are mostly popularity based anyways |
ShinkenshiApr 22, 2009 5:50 AM
Shinkenshi said: or maybe it's because logh isn't really such a masterpiece either? It certainly is not. What does LOGH have? Coherent plotting, so well-planned story that not only does each event flow logically and obviously, yet still not predictably, from the last, and foreshadowing and introduction plot elements several years before their repsective fulfillments, a meticulously planned, breathing world where every detail is planned and thought-out, involving and majestic characterization where even side-characters are human, thinkign beings, profoundly undramatic drama that still affects one to a degree as to plunge the most cold-hearted into shreds of tears - not because of any sappy tricks, but because the characters are genuinely human and likeable - and one of the best-used soundtracks in the history of mankind. Definitely not a masterpiece, no sir. |
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Shinkenshi said: game8910 said: juanker said: Top 4 already! YAAAAY!!! you can thank whoever is trolling LotGH and KnK 5 to death or maybe it's because logh isn't really such a masterpiece either? i cannot comment since i havent seen it myself, but if the show has 44 1/10 votes appear out of nowhere you know someone is unhappy :\ |
| it's not like those 44 votes appeared overnight, i call bullshit on that claim an even larger anomaly is the 52% vote of 10s. i remember taking a look of the voting distributions of the top anime a while back, and logh had 55% of the votes being 10s, the highest of any anime in mal database by almost 10% (back then there was only around 20 1s so maybe there is indeed foul play involved) @Kaiserpingvin: whatever, you can make a similarly constructed rhetorical paragraph about any anime you have seen. i bet there are people out there who wrote about how pokemon is the best anime ever and genuinely believe in what they wrote. regardless, it still doesn't answer my question: since when did logh turn from a childhood classic to the best anime ever? LOGH is well presented and have a logical plot. Your argument, however, is not. |
Shinkenshi said: @Kaiserpingvin: whatever, you can make a similarly constructed rhetorical paragraph about any anime you have seen. Yes, but in those cases I'd be lying. Really, what in LOGH is anything short of masterful artistry? Shinkenshi said: regardless, it still doesn't answer my question: since when did logh turn from a childhood classic to the best anime ever? a) LOGH is pretty darn far from a "childhood classic". I have scarcely seen any more "mature" series (if one is to use those loosely defined age-demographical terms). b) Even if it were one, it would not affect quality either way, it is not like things for children are automatically worse than anything else. c) The translation only ended a short while ago (relative to it's age), and it's a long series. It takes some time for it to have any kind of impact over on the Western community. The reason it wasn't well-talked-about before was merely because not that many people over here know Nipponese. It's like asking why a certain book didn't become popular until there was a translation done. Shinkenshi said: LOGH is well presented and have a logical plot. Your argument, however, is not. ? It was more a snark than an argument. It's mostly laughable that a show with such blatant and atrocious plot failings as AS can be considered a masterpiece, while LOGH can not. But then you gave a four to Monster, so you might just not be the type to prioritize plot, I guess. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: Shinkenshi said: @Kaiserpingvin: whatever, you can make a similarly constructed rhetorical paragraph about any anime you have seen. Yes, but in those cases I'd be lying. Read the sentence right after the one you quoted. Kaiserpingvin said: Really, what in LOGH is anything short of masterful artistry? An anime with epic plot in terms of scope and some well done character portrayal. Don't get me wrong, I like the anime; I just think some of the acclaims I'm seeing seems to be blown out of proportion. Kaiserpingving said: a) LOGH is pretty darn far from a "childhood classic". I have scarcely seen any more "mature" series (if one is to use those loosely defined age-demographical terms). b) Even if it were one, it would not affect quality either way, it is not like things for children are automatically worse than anything else. c) The translation only ended a short while ago (relative to it's age), and it's a long series. It takes some time for it to have any kind of impact over on the Western community. The reason it wasn't well-talked-about before was merely because not that many people over here know Nipponese. It's like asking why a certain book didn't become popular until there was a translation done. a) Despite its grandiose the themes and the plot are quite easy to follow, even for kids. If you say "Monster" is targeted towards a mature crowd, then I would agree, but I don't feel the same way with Legend of the Galactic Heroes, as it is an anime that a child can easily enjoy and appreciate. b) Point taken. My statement is used to show how I felt LOGH's status has elevated suddenly over a decade after its production, which you addressed in the next point. Also, read my original post again regarding the context of this quote. c) Even back in Japan or China I don't remember people holding LOGH in such high regards. I'm not sure if you are trying to imply that Japanese anime viewers have a lower set of standards or that you are simply unaware of its reception overseas. Kaiserpingvin said: Shinkenshi said: LOGH is well presented and have a logical plot. Your argument, however, is not. ? It was more a snark than an argument. It's mostly laughable that a show with such blatant and atrocious plot failings as AS can be considered a masterpiece, while LOGH can not. But then you gave a four to Monster, so you might just not be the type to prioritize plot, I guess. There are several things. First, well, okay, it's a quite repetitive and incoherent snark. Regarding Monster, it's not even remotely connected to LOGH or Clannad. I felt like it would have made a good TV-series but failed to effectively utilize anime well as a medium. I also had some problem with the pacing and the plot development, but I really don't see how me not liking Monster equates to me disregarding any form of plot in an anime. Finally, the Clannad vs LOGH you brought up. I feel like both are good anime. However, I feel like for each targeted audience, Clannad delivers a fresher experience. LOGH has good character development and a decent plot, and as such I labeled it, "a well done space-opera." It's basically _insertnamehere_, done better. Clannad is one of the first harem series to involve familial relationship and really post some positive messages. It's the first time I've read anything and thought about the motives behind why my mom did x or why my dad did y instead of just dismissing their actions as another obstacle towards my liberation and freedom. The anime adaptation obviously had some transitional issues, but at the same time I feel like it also portrayed what I mentioned above very well. That last aside seems to be a borderline troll; how 2 posts and a single rating helped you conclude that I disregard plot is beyond me. In any case, this is about 2 miles away from thread direction. Yes, people perceive Clannad as overrated, just like any other anime that's present in a Top Anime list like this one. |
Shinkenshi said: a) Despite its grandiose the themes and the plot are quite easy to follow, even for kids. If you say "Monster" is targeted towards a mature crowd, then I would agree, but I don't feel the same way with Legend of the Galactic Heroes, as it is an anime that a child can easily enjoy and appreciate. b) Point taken. My statement is used to show how I felt LOGH's status has elevated suddenly over a decade after its production, which you addressed in the next point. Also, read my original post again regarding the context of this quote. c) Even back in Japan or China I don't remember people holding LOGH in such high regards. I'm not sure if you are trying to imply that Japanese anime viewers have a lower set of standards or that you are simply unaware of its reception overseas. a) Children can also easily follow the Iliad, they probably won't enjoy it to the same degree a grown-up would - they simply do not have the vocabulary and sense for prosody, similies, and metaphora. Quite alike, children do not quite have the comprehension of human psyche, history, and the tricks and ropes of classical storytelling to fully enjoy LOGH. LOGH also has those random gratiutious scenes where people try to scope their guts back into their stomach, so I doubt it was targeted at children. b) o.,okay c) I have no idea how the reception overseas is. Was. Will be. But it's hardly a show anyone can like; it's more a history textbook than a Hollywood movie in terms of mood, pacing and meticulousity of plot. And, surprise, most people go after enjoyment for their ratings (which is all fine and dandy in it's myopic way). Quite presumably even over in the Land of the Rising Sun. Shinkenshi said: I really don't see how me not liking Monster equates to me disregarding any form of plot in an anime. [...] That last aside seems to be a borderline troll; how 2 posts and a single rating helped you conclude that I disregard plot is beyond me. It does merely by analogy; few things have better plot than Monster. It's more inductive reasoning than deductive (most people who find A lacking in quality does not have high priority on elements B, C, D..., person X finds A lacking in quality, thus person X does not have a high priority on elements B, C, D..., like so). More an observation than anything; it'd be mighty odd if anyone prioritized everything in culture. Say, I barely prioritize animation much at all, despite it being an integral part of the quality of things. I can see why you'd consider AS a more-than-good show now though. I don't agree, I found the message to be hackneyed and generally false, but eh, that's from someone who thinks Bokura no has everything to tell us about the human condition. I still don't see what on Earth LOGH doesn't do as well as is humanly possible though. "Decent" plot is litotes, to say the least (what on Earth would then have "Good", or dare one say it, "Excellent" plot?). Now nevermind. It just baffles me how anyone can find any notable part of LOGH bad. Not enjoyable, easy, bad, wat. Exeunt fanboy. |
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