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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- And Mana's Not Excellent Spotlight Hogging Adventures continue. By this point in every other Cure show all the sub-villains had been defeated for real, even in Suite and Smile. Nope, everyone is around. I bet Bel won't even die next episode, Mana will purify him with a nonsense speech and no real fight. Again, this is a fighting show, not a talking show. Oh, and "evil minion takes the essence of the bad guy and becomes the real final boss" is what Smile did, slightly different but still. Okay, so technically there was some fighting, but against random grunts and other than showing off a couple cool moves it wasn't that special. But they used ROSETTA BALLOON, ABOUT TIME! Too bad it looks freaking nothing like the other usage of it, so it comes like they just wanted a random excuse for giant Lance to be a thing. And it was useless in a fight too, Bonk headbutt aside. Also, Mana, the elephant in the room. Of course the plan to save the king is hers, why would one of his semi-daughters come with it, Mana is the one that does it. She also gives up her identity like an idiot and no one has a problem, in fact that makes people somehow love her even more. I swear if Mana said she pooped rainbows she'd actually poop them. To be fair I don't see how it could be a problem, but I can't shake the feeling if any of the girls had done that, even Makoto, the reactions would be just shock and not "Wow, you're the awesomest" like Mana got. And speaking of Mana bias she of course is the one that does most of the work in getting the king back and defending him and giving terrible speeches we're all tired of at this point. And the other girls call her name when they sacrifice themselves, of course. Because Mana is the most important person in the world. Finally she's the only one show in the preview transformed into the super-form they would have got about a few episodes ago in every other series. While Suite only showed Hibiki in a preview and then everyone got the form anyway, I fear they're really only handing Mana the upgrade because Mana. I doubt it, but after 48 episodes of Mana nonsense it's a possibility. Finally, the defense for the king is family love isn't bad and thus he wasn't selfish. Duh, we all thought that and it's really obvious after seeing Regina change sides. Big shocking speech there. I don't expect a show for kids to go into the moral balancing of Daughter Vs. Kingdom, but they shouldn't pretend they're deep and then become more shallow than a puddle. And again his daughters should have said that, Mana and her perfect family where she lives with both her parents and has no issues has no bearing here. Also arguing love empowers you and then having Good Regina be the least competent fighter and need to be rescued muddles the message, but I guess they wanted us to know the girls all appreciate Regina, presumably because Mana does. Mana. |
| I loved gigantic Lance, I almost fell from my chair laughing. |
| It wasn't bad at all... to be quick - liked that they went with everyone watching fight, somehow better than Precure fighting bad guys while no one is around. I only wonder how many people died during this (probably none but interesting idea) - big Lance was adorable, made no sense but it was sweet - Mana saving the universe, I never expected that to happen :D but scene when Diamond is "sacrificing" herself was well made - on the other side: how was he able to use his beam when without burning her I do not know - Bel is big bad, how creative but I was expecting it and am not dissapoint. In the end I did like this episode, at least they don't cry :P |
| This episode was so Mana-centric that if BBCode was working I'd add that attention hog to my least favorites list. I know people think that Nagisa hogging the attention in Futari wa was bad, but there were only two cures in Futari wa so it made more sense that the attention would have a noticeable attention shift on one certain character. (Plus Nagisa was, imo, likeable, got shit done, and had a freaking personality outside of SAVE EVERYONE) In DokiDoki there's no excuse. You have 5 girls and tons of time to shift the focus on each and every girl without letting one totally overshadow all the others. Let the girls have reasons to fight besides the bland main heroine. Smile did it. Yes 5 did it. Why can't DokiDoki? Oh yeah, because Mana is the fucking queen of everything and is the only one worthy of attention. Also, there's this screencap which shows Mana in her upgrade form and NONE OF THE OTHER CURES IN THEIRS. http://24.media.tumblr.com/fa14444a50188b68a5de7e2d1119c688/tumblr_mzo0k5Q2ke1qc2u5zo1_400.jpg It's an official screencap from the Daishi TV website too. So fuck everything. Fuck Mana and fuck this Precure season and if Hachapre decides to pull the 'only the main character is important' BS, at least make Megumi have a personality and be likeable. Or, you know, don't pull it at all. |
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ihateeveryone said: This episode was so Mana-centric that if BBCode was working I'd add that attention hog to my least favorites list. I know people think that Nagisa hogging the attention in Futari wa was bad, but there were only two cures in Futari wa so it made more sense that the attention would have a noticeable attention shift on one certain character. (Plus Nagisa was, imo, likeable, got shit done, and had a freaking personality outside of SAVE EVERYONE) In DokiDoki there's no excuse. You have 5 girls and tons of time to shift the focus on each and every girl without letting one totally overshadow all the others. Let the girls have reasons to fight besides the bland main heroine. Smile did it. Yes 5 did it. Why can't DokiDoki? Oh yeah, because Mana is the fucking queen of everything and is the only one worthy of attention. Also, there's this screencap which shows Mana in her upgrade form and NONE OF THE OTHER CURES IN THEIRS. http://24.media.tumblr.com/fa14444a50188b68a5de7e2d1119c688/tumblr_mzo0k5Q2ke1qc2u5zo1_400.jpg It's an official screencap from the Daishi TV website too. So fuck everything. Fuck Mana and fuck this Precure season and if Hachapre decides to pull the 'only the main character is important' BS, at least make Megumi have a personality and be likeable. Or, you know, don't pull it at all. This. The whole thing. Just adding a few notes: -If you mean in the "About me" part in your profile BBCode works for that. -Nagisa wasn't even that bad in the first series, only in Max Heart and the first movie. Even then she was nothing compared to Mana and was a lot better as a character so agreed. -Smile had some issues too like Nao getting shafted in her episodes while Miyuki had two extra ones and Yes had the first movie playing up Nozomi x Coco like mad while Komachi x Nuts was treated like a joke if not ignored at all, but overall they weren't nowhere as bad as this so agreed indeed. Even Suite, IMO the next worst show in terms of Pink Cure Bias, didn't favor Hibiki as much, and we're talking about someone who got her first upgrade in a Kanade episode. -Let's just hope that screencap means "Mana transforms first, then the others pull it because Mana did" because as lame that would be is STILL ages better than only Mana getting it. -Megumi is oficially described as being clumsy when trying to help others so at least she's not looking like a flawless Mana Sue. Time will tell, of course. |
ZettaiRyouiki said: Black was bad in Max Heart? Sure she was main character, Luminous came in, while White was pushed even more into background - and as much as I like Honoka I can understand it, she was rather boring. Nagisa was just fun to watch because of her flaws. This. The whole thing. Just adding a few notes: -If you mean in the "About me" part in your profile BBCode works for that. -Nagisa wasn't even that bad in the first series, only in Max Heart and the first movie. Even then she was nothing compared to Mana and was a lot better as a character so agreed. -Smile had some issues too like Nao getting shafted in her episodes while Miyuki had two extra ones and Yes had the first movie playing up Nozomi x Coco like mad while Komachi x Nuts was treated like a joke if not ignored at all, but overall they weren't nowhere as bad as this so agreed indeed. Even Suite, IMO the next worst show in terms of Pink Cure Bias, didn't favor Hibiki as much, and we're talking about someone who got her first upgrade in a Kanade episode. I am glad they didn't follow Komachi x Nuts - she was fine but he had personality of a brick for most of the time. There was also Urararara x Syrup but they killed it quickly. But I must say that GoGo was somehow similar to DokiDoki. In most cases it was X has a problem --> enemy appears --> Nozomi says something that makes no sense but allows to solve the issue. Difference would be the fact that those are problems of other people (DDP had everything about Mana) and girls have personality outside "I am friend/rival of Mana" (except Rin but she got better). After some description about next season there is hope for improvement - cute/clumsy Megumi, shy/spoiled Hime looks like good combination. |
Dalek-baka said: Black was bad in Max Heart? Sure she was main character, Luminous came in, while White was pushed even more into background - and as much as I like Honoka I can understand it, she was rather boring. Nagisa was just fun to watch because of her flaws. I am glad they didn't follow Komachi x Nuts - she was fine but he had personality of a brick for most of the time. There was also Urararara x Syrup but they killed it quickly. But I must say that GoGo was somehow similar to DokiDoki. In most cases it was X has a problem --> enemy appears --> Nozomi says something that makes no sense but allows to solve the issue. Difference would be the fact that those are problems of other people (DDP had everything about Mana) and girls have personality outside "I am friend/rival of Mana" (except Rin but she got better). After some description about next season there is hope for improvement - cute/clumsy Megumi, shy/spoiled Hime looks like good combination. Honestly it felt like every other Max Heart episode was about Nagisa in some way or another, while Honoka barely was allowed to do anything. Then again, I always felt the friends were poorly spread in that show: Nagisa had Akane, Rina and Shiho, and then Maki and Megumi, while Honoka just had Yuriko and Fuji P. and he served more as Nagisa's love interest anyway. That's a bad start. EDIT: Check the episode descriptions here and look at how many are "Nagisa does this" or "Nagisa didn't do that" and how few are about Honoka. Apparently "Futari" doesn't mean "Two people" for Toei. But that's not an excuse for literally the one scene about Komachi x Nuts in the whole movie to be Komachi pushing Nuts away from a convex mirror because she didn't want to see him fat. It made their couple look shallow when it was anything but. I remember especially the part when they save Coco and Nuts and Nozomi jumps to grab Coco while Nuts "comically" falls over Milk while Komachi doesn't even show particular relief from her boyfriend being safe. Laaaaame. Yeah, GoGo like MH played the "Pink" Cure more than the original, but like MH the "Pink" Cure was likable and the rest of the cast was good so it still worked. Agreed, Hime on particular sounds very interesting! |
ZettaiRyouikiJan 24, 2014 3:37 PM
ihateeveryone said: This episode was so Mana-centric that if BBCode was working I'd add that attention hog to my least favorites list. I know people think that Nagisa hogging the attention in Futari wa was bad, but there were only two cures in Futari wa so it made more sense that the attention would have a noticeable attention shift on one certain character. (Plus Nagisa was, imo, likeable, got shit done, and had a freaking personality outside of SAVE EVERYONE) In DokiDoki there's no excuse. You have 5 girls and tons of time to shift the focus on each and every girl without letting one totally overshadow all the others. Let the girls have reasons to fight besides the bland main heroine. Smile did it. Yes 5 did it. Why can't DokiDoki? Oh yeah, because Mana is the fucking queen of everything and is the only one worthy of attention. Also, there's this screencap which shows Mana in her upgrade form and NONE OF THE OTHER CURES IN THEIRS. http://24.media.tumblr.com/fa14444a50188b68a5de7e2d1119c688/tumblr_mzo0k5Q2ke1qc2u5zo1_400.jpg It's an official screencap from the Daishi TV website too. So fuck everything. Fuck Mana and fuck this Precure season and if Hachapre decides to pull the 'only the main character is important' BS, at least make Megumi have a personality and be likeable. Or, you know, don't pull it at all. Even though Doki Doki is my 4th favourite Precure series I have to agree with this because I am also bothered with the Mana bias in this series. To be honest I'm confused on why Toei wanted to pay attention to Mana that much because of the way the team is formatted. I wouldn't be bothered by this if Mana was the only cure in Doki Doki or something. |
MitsukiHimekaJan 25, 2014 7:23 PM
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| New post on an old thread but I personally loved this episode. There were so many jaw dropping moments for me, and it's one of the better precure finales I've seen. I don't get why everyone dislikes it when Mana's the focus of the episode. This IS the finale and she IS the main character after all. I for one was shocked when she didn't single-handedly defeat the Big Bad (though from the looks of the next episode, it seems like that'll be the case) and I liked that each character got to fulfill their narrative arc. Alice had a goofy, OP climax which, tonally, fits her perfectly. Rikka got to be the sparrow to Mana's prince, and unleash a great final attack (I also really like that the writers, despite deciding to scrap the romance between her and Ira, do make sure that they interact differently than the rest of the villains and Precure do. He seems genuinely concerned for her wellbeing, and not just like he wants to stop her for the sake of ~completing his mission~ or whatever.) Makoto's battle paralleled the way we met her at the very beginning of the series, and then got to swoop in and save the day. The next episode is going to be heartbreaking for me. If you don't hate Mana, which I never did, then the series is way more engaging and enjoyable. |
| Mana is literally the best girl. As I expected, Bel is going to be the final boss. |
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