OVER-rated Manga (will add more)
| would personally like to add berserk to this list - i just don't get why it gets so much love - seems like a third-rate robert e. howard rip-off - to each their own, i guess....... |
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AironicallyHuman said: a little sexism there? ridiculous to say women can't write shonen manga - i would like to add takahashi as well as arakawa, who are both, in my opinion, amongst the truly great shonen mangaka (as well as other genres)..........would you also say men can't write shojo? what about osamu tezuka's ribbon no kishi?The most overrated? Why the highest rated, of course! Berserk went a downhill descent after the eclipse and is now very much in JRPG territory. (To be precise, it started going not-so-great after the conviction arc, but the golden age arc stands alone.) Urasawa's manga are as good as they are drawn out. He milks his stories for all they're worth; skilfully managing to keep his stories interesting without resorting to, say, shounen power-up type plot extensions. Can never work out if I like his work or not. Sanctuary's political manliness quickly becomes a repetitive corruption > find weakness series, and it ending before the leads' dream of a sanctuary was completed made it seem all rather pointless. There's also the whole sexist 'give woman dick and she be happy for life/quit job as police chief' aspect. Fullmetal Alchemist eventually reveals its true target demographic with Edward giving 'KILLING IS WRONG!' speeches, as well as saving baddies from themselves, and none of the romantic subplots ever leading to sex. A woman crafting a manga for a shounen magazine just can never end like you'd hope... ...etc, etc. Nothing is perfect and I can't say I agree with what sits at the top of the pile as far as averages go, on the whole, but there you go. |
octal9Feb 14, 2012 1:57 AM
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| Mirai Nikki. |
| "That's true for virtually every shounen manga ever created and for thousands of others as well. What kind of criticism is that?" The criticism of a work that suggested it was at aimed at readers outside a 'young boy' demographic. With its alchemy + 'circle of life' theme and the aspects of life it touched upon, a person could be forgiven for believing FMA was an exception to the childish shounen rule. But, in the end, it shared the same exact flaws and limitations that make adults move towards seinen titles. Its greatest flaw is perhaps that its story was too mature to be classed as a shounen, yet it was treated as such regardless. "a little sexism there? ridiculous to say women can't write shonen manga - i would like to add takahashi as well as arakawa, who are both, in my opinion, amongst the truly great shonen mangaka (as well as other genres)..........would you also say men can't write shojo? what about osamu tezuka's ribbon no kishi?" Not sexist to state the obvious: female authors focus on the shoujo demographic (romance; bishies; sensitive emotional issues) where as male authors focus on the shounen demographic (fighting, ecchi comedy, coming-of-age manhoodliness). If anything it's the shounen and shoujo demographics that divide the sexes in such a way that are sexist. There are exceptions to every rule and, certainly, there are females that prefer violence, as well as males that prefer romance. But we're not talking about the odd ones out; we're talking about the majority. And, whether because of a form of peer pressure or otherwise, most authors cater to their own genders needs. As for Tezuka, using an ancient example that came from the pen of a man known for a sexist rape-equals-love undercurrent that flows through many of his works wasn't the best idea you'll ever have. Worthy of respect though he is, he lived through a Japan far more sexist socially than it is today, and that was reflected by his lack of understanding of females in his work. |
octal9 said: AironicallyHuman said: a little sexism there? ridiculous to say women can't write shonen manga - i would like to add takahashi as well as arakawa, who are both, in my opinion, amongst the truly great shonen mangaka (as well as other genres)..........would you also say men can't write shojo? what about osamu tezuka's ribbon no kishi?The most overrated? Why the highest rated, of course! Berserk went a downhill descent after the eclipse and is now very much in JRPG territory. (To be precise, it started going not-so-great after the conviction arc, but the golden age arc stands alone.) Urasawa's manga are as good as they are drawn out. He milks his stories for all they're worth; skilfully managing to keep his stories interesting without resorting to, say, shounen power-up type plot extensions. Can never work out if I like his work or not. Sanctuary's political manliness quickly becomes a repetitive corruption > find weakness series, and it ending before the leads' dream of a sanctuary was completed made it seem all rather pointless. There's also the whole sexist 'give woman dick and she be happy for life/quit job as police chief' aspect. Fullmetal Alchemist eventually reveals its true target demographic with Edward giving 'KILLING IS WRONG!' speeches, as well as saving baddies from themselves, and none of the romantic subplots ever leading to sex. A woman crafting a manga for a shounen magazine just can never end like you'd hope... ...etc, etc. Nothing is perfect and I can't say I agree with what sits at the top of the pile as far as averages go, on the whole, but there you go. You could have picked a better example than Takahashi. Hoshino is shitloads better. |
| At least in Mangafox communities(besides shounen big 3): 1. Tenjou Tenge(not THAT popular one of the most debated) 2. Fairy Tail 3. Kaichou wa Maid-sama! 4. Deadman Wonderland 5. Mahou Sensei Negima! |
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| I don't see Rosario to Vampire. I thought I'd check it because I liked the drawing style of the character designs. Even the drawing couldn't save the manga from generic story, bland characters and wimpy lead, same formula structure. I can see why it's popular but it's undeservedly so. |
| No way to recall What it was that you had said to me Like I care at all But it was so loud And you sure could yell You took a stand on every little thing And it was so loud |
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