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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- In this episode, a lot of stuff becomes clear, although I still have a lot of questions that still need answers, like "why did Luna's powers change?", for example, "or what exactly is this ruin and what exactly caused it?" I'm betting on that weirdly colored rock for both. xD Anyway, apparently, Luna was not the savior everyone believes: instead of healing, she brings death. Humans made themselves immortal (don't ask xD) and so Luna brought them death because, quote, "with death, people can truly live." However, as totally one-sided as that view is, people still saw her as the 'sun' and many people and robots gathered. Braiking Boss saw it as a threat and ordered to kill her, killing his own subordinates in the process, or so it seems. And this is where Casshern comes into play. Apparently, he wasn’t affected by her but when he got in touch with her blood (by stabbing her), he became immortal. However, I no longer see Casshern as immortal. It might be just my imagination, but it seems like his abilities have been degrading in the last few episodes... including his healing. This sort of leads me to believe he might die in the end, and I'd love it if he did (although he obviously did not die in this episode - it's definitely a useless cliffhanger). Also, 'lol' at Friender serving absolutely no purpose. o.o |
| So how can they stop the ruin now? Heh I'm eager to know it and I'm looking forward to the next. |
| Lyuze must be pretty S&M, cutting up Casshern for no reason at all at times. And wasn't Ringo a human? Why does she need help from Luna for her not to decay? |
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| What exactly to you people expect Friender to do? His just a dog. He can't express feelings and thoughts. He will probably have a moment near the end trying to save someone and maybe dying, that's it. So the old Luna did exactly the opposite. In a world full of immortals, Luna gave them normal lifes so they can live and then die. Basically it seems that they didn't care about there lives and acted crazy like those in that town who jumped from big heights or didn't care about the things they were making. Luna by giving them the concept of death was making them live a meaningful life and that's why they loved her. I guess what changed her is Casshern since i remember her saying "Casshern your blood has changed me", in those scenes at the start. I really don't understand why people think it's pointless to do anything when they are immortal. |
Monad said: What exactly to you people expect Friender to do? His just a dog. He can't express feelings and thoughts. He will probably have a moment near the end trying to save someone and maybe dying, that's it. The thing is, there was some side character that said he was not ruining. In this world, that seems VERY odd. Also, as if that wasn't enough, he got so much screen time earlier and even got an episode of his own that somehow I'd be expecting him to serve some sort of purpose. Monad said: So the old Luna did exactly the opposite. In a world full of immortals, Luna gave them normal lifes so they can live and then die. Basically it seems that they didn't care about there lives and acted crazy like those in that town who jumped from big heights or didn't care about the things they were making. Luna by giving them the concept of death was making them live a meaningful life and that's why they loved her. Salvation to "a world full of immortals", huh. That did not convince me. Luna said "humans BECAME immortal" (lol, people do not become immortal over night) and so she found it in herself to play god and decide the fate of just about everybody. Meaningful life? That is just her own biased view. For starters, I highly doubt that attempting to kill yourself because you knew you wouldn't die would represent the majority of people. Monad said: I really don't understand why people think it's pointless to do anything when they are immortal. "Whatever I may think of doing, can be done later, since my time is infinite." |
Arcanus said: Salvation to "a world full of immortals", huh. That did not convince me. Luna said "humans BECAME immortal" (lol, people do not become immortal over night) and so she found it in herself to play god and decide the fate of just about everybody. Meaningful life? That is just her own biased view. For starters, I highly doubt that attempting to kill yourself because you knew you wouldn't die would represent the majority of people. No one said that they became like that in one night. were did you get that? Luna didn't act like God and she decided nothing. She only gave mortal life to those who wanted it and came to see her for that. She wasn't forcing it to anyone. Monad said: I really don't understand why people think it's pointless to do anything when they are immortal. "Whatever I may think of doing, can be done later, since my time is infinite." "Why do anything since am gonna die after a while?" You see, it works both ways. |
Monad said: No one said that they became like that in one night. were did you get that? Luna didn't act like God and she decided nothing. She only gave mortal life to those who wanted it and came to see her for that. She wasn't forcing it to anyone. "over night" was used as a manner of speech. If they "became" immortal, something happened, no? How did they become immortal is the important question here. If Luna was completely unrelated to that, then she was just playing god. If you prefer it that way, she was seen as a messiah of sorts. Monad said: Arcanus said: "Why do anything since am gonna die after a while?""Whatever I may think of doing, can be done later, since my time is infinite." You see, it works both ways. Not really. Because you have a limited amount of time, you'd probably try to achieve something, something that would mark your existance. |
| so that actually might not be the luna? then who is it? |
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| I have confused.. But it was an awesome episode anyway. |
| Seems like Luna is some kind of goddess of death. What the fuck is Casshern doing? Is he trying to experience the fear of breaking and dying? He's letting those robots pummel the shit out of him! |
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| I think... I need to rewatch this ep. The sudden revealing of answers kinda threw me for a loop. And did Ringo have a fever? Seemed like it for awhile there, then all of a sudden she didn't. I'm wondering if it had something to do with what Casshern said about Ringo being highly sensitive to Luna's ideals. After they distanced themselves from Luna, Ringo seemed to get better. |
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| yeah, now the anime finally lost me. Was this a Satoshi Kon story? |
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| So this happened. This just freaking happened: -we dont need u Luna!!!1 -Lyuze throws a hissy fit, they all leave, Ringo gets a fever -oh shit let's go back to Luna!!!!!! Ouji: "Did something happen that changed her?" Uhmmm yeah...did we not forget that she was supposedly killed by Casshern. Why has no one been asking themselves why Luna is oh idk ALIVE. You know what I don't give a damn about anyone (except Friender) anymore. Terrible, this can't be over soon enough. |
| I guess Casshern's really dead. They're not gonna fake us out or anything, are they? And that concludes Casshern Sins; thank you for watching! |
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| Pretty weird start but well it had an interesting ending, so let's see what's next! |
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| Casshern with a deathwish now? And Dio allowing someone else to beat him up after being obsessed with him for so long? Not good developments these, Aditionally I do not get is why NO ONE in the story is asking: Why is Luna alive? If this is indeed Luna, why did she and Casshern have a normal conversation like nothing had ever happened or they don't even know each other? |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Casshern became suicidal. It wasn't very direct with what the disadvantages of being healed and given eternal life by Luna was. At first it seemed that you'd become insane, or mentally different. |
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 "Ruin is the Salvation of Man and Machine" Y'know, at this point, that tagline is finally makes sense. Though, if the show proposing that death is part of the natural cycle, and immortality is counter to it, then that, in a twisty way, paints Braiking Boss as someone who played the villain to fix the natural order of things. With regards to Luna, if eternal life was achieved by man and machine through medical and engineering knowledge, then what's going on now? Was salvation redefined once death re-existed? I dunno, something just feels off about that, but I can't really put my finger on it. Anyways, glad to see Ohji back, as it gave us a really harsh moment where he, despite acknowledging Luna's questionable and puzzling actions, would still have Ringo recieve eternal life, even if it's against her wishes and Ohji's better judgement. This is truly an act of desperation with no clear answer, and I truly appreciate Ohji calling Casshern out on not understanding how everyone else feels. Despite all his encounters in his journey, Casshern is still an immortal being, so him saying that a natural death is better than an unnatural immortal life makes for one hell of a dilemma. |
| Ok so Casshern wanted to stop the ruin because he killed Luna and he made this is mission. Now that he met Luna, and doesn't like her apparently he just says eh whatever the ruin is fine, no big deal.. Why?! Because he doesn't like Luna or how she handles her business? What the hell was the point of all this? Also, Luna was thought to bring eternal life, but instead she used to bring death? Then how come the ruin is a big deal now and not when she actually brought death and was thought of as a savior! Didn't Casshern used to have an unconscious switch flip when anyone attacked him where he went into berserk mode and killed everything? What happened to that on his suicidal stand?! This show is starting to fall apart to me.. -_- |
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| playing moral advocates this late into the game wont cut it. the ends justify the means not the other way around. casshern and his friends are a bunch of virtue signaling crybabies. now i dont care if they fall to ruin. let them be. |
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| Boring episode, they could have cut down so many filler episodes. Plus, Luna's reveal is uninteresting. |
| I know humans are inconstant creatures but the tale about "Luna" features a reversal that didn't make much sense to me. So, errm... since he started to act after she was celebrated for bringing Death (thus making life meaningful), the King wanted to eliminate her in order to go back to the "natural" state of things: immortality? Why wouldn't he be "happy" now then? The Ruin still doesn't make "sense" in this world (not talking about its obvious meaning). I was expecting the old man/Ôji to bring back more knowledge before giving up to crazy despair life wish. As for the logistics of Luna's ability, I simply thought that she had received Casshern's "reparation" nano machines and was spreading them through her blood donations. I don't see what other special explanation we could need. 4/5 So, this won't be a 4eps talking battle finale about the merit of life being finite after all... |
Rei_IIIJan 14, 2022 6:01 AM
| I...think I get it? I mean I think I understand what makes this intriguing, or maybe just contradictory and nonsense |
| Is the title of this ep a reference to Paradise Lost? If so, it'd make sense |
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