PC Master Race

Big_Worm said:

I myself have bought 90% of the games I've played, I always try to support the developers. The only games I haven't bought were ones that I tested out and didn't like or games that are for emulators on my computer.


That's also something I've noticed and am occasionally guilty of

snaphat said:


To be perfectly fair, it's common to most forums. I also buy anything I play on PCs these days. Consoles... eh... my consoles are all hacked since there are never good deals on games. Not that I ever play console games really though.

Big_Worm said:

My steam library is about to catch up to my console library granted I have 4 consoles and have only been seriously PC gaming for like 2 years

NoSurrender1690 said:


so your reental libery is beigger than the ones oyu own porr you

snaphat said:


You don't actually own any game or software you purchase. All of it has EULAs. You are simply licensed the right to use the software. The only thing you actually own is the media upon which the software resides. The effective difference between steam and physical media is that no-one has the right to take the physical media away from you; however, they do have the right to tell you to cease playing the game or disabling any portion of the game they want, etc. Digital media simply makes it easier for games to be taken away than physical media.

Physical media is analogous to if you copied all of the installers for digitally distributed games and put them on an external drive. You can be told legally to not to play the games, but no-one can take the installer away from you. Of course, no-one is going to tell you to not play the game because it generally serves no purpose.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/first-sale-doctrine/
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/09/the-end-of-used-major-ruling-upholds-tough-software-licenses/

NoSurrender1690 said:

people who use microtasactions should never be called gamers

Nyarlatophis said:
While this isn't exactly related to the games themselves, I think the biggest issue with emulators (at least arcade ones) is that they lack the culture that surrounds them and gave them the flavor that made them fun. Going to the arcade with your bros and 1ccing shit is leagues funner than playing in some dank basement with fudged up framerates or other obnoxious errors.

elemein said:


What if the game is FTP but has a cash shop as a way to support the devs? So if I want to support the devs by purchasing items, I'm not a real gamer?

You make a few valid points but you cannot, under any circumstances, say "Everyone who does x MUST have the intention of doing y, and therefore isnt a real gamer. No exceptions, period."

That's just incredibly short-sighted.

NZAnimeOtaku said:
LOL this is always so stupid both are good for different reasons and people who go around saying P.C is the master race with a serious face are the most smug arrogant pricks i have met.

yhunata said:
Funny you should mention free games, you do realise that PS+ (and from what I know, XBoxLive as well) does the exact same thing (multiple games each month, from what I know)? So no, that is not exactly a pro for PC over Console. That being said, those types of comments are exactly why some PC users are seen as pricks, which you so kindly agreed to be.

Ezekiel said:
Those games aren't free. You have to pay the subscription or they're locked.

yhunata said:


While that is certainly true, you do not pay for the games, but rather the subscription. Meaning, free games are not a valid pro point for PC ahead of consoles. If he had said free services, I'd have said nothing.

Ezekiel said:
What is the subscription without the "free" games and lifting of the multiplayer paywall? The price of the "free" games is the subscription. They're not free.

NoSurrender1690 said:


20 games for the prince of 500 yen [ thats the price of t hee when the ps4 comes out] even n the most wild steam sales woould you get a bundel g games that size for that price

Jalein said:
Console myths:

and no you don't need to buy a new graphics card every year, Video Game graphics have basically plateaued

(No, no they haven't if you mean "plateau" as in "continuously getting higher", then yes, you're right.)

and disparity between console and PC graphics has become enormous. This current gen of consoles is more then a decade behind current PC capabilities

(They aren't that behind. You're acting as if they use a CPU equivalent of a Pentium D and a GPU equivalent of a 8800GT. Let's be real here. They're not THAT weak. )

. The XboxOne can't even do go above 720p, PCs have been able to go larger then 1080p for about 5 years now.

5 years? Try almost 12.

Consoles really have no benefit over PCs but have plenty of draw backs. They barely even have exclusives anymore, consoles will probably have even less exclusives this gen due to the rising production costs and now that the XboxOne and PS4 are using a PC architecture

You mean x86-64, right?

your probably gonna seem more and more multiple plats then ever because it will be easier to port the PC

Consoles are quickly becoming just shitty expensive PCs

Lauriet said:


I live to be a smug, arrogant prick. Sorry to you all that think consoles are good, but what is consoles doing besides trying to butt into PCs ability to spread, watch and listen to various media outlets? Thought so.

PC is becoming more and more successful, and even the rampantly moronic CODy fanboys hopping onto PC are positively impacting our numbers. We got it all. At best, we can run 90FPS, we've got torrents, and we get games either completely free or discounted at places like Steam, or nice little places like GOG.

"We can let you watch TV!" ... Yeah? Thanks for being informative Xboner, PS3.5. PC has been able to do that since... forever-ish.

And oh YES. Soon, we're getting Revengeance on Steam. Yippee.

mattbenz99 said:
pc gaming has always been better than console gaming in every way except 1 and that one thing that is better on a console is that pc gaming is complicated and expensive. i understand why people play consoles because they just dont have time to learn how pc gaming works. they just want to pop a game in and be done with it which was fine up until xbox tried to change that with the xbox one. i mean xbox tried to get rid of the 1 reason to be a console gamer the simplicity of being able to just pop a disc in and play or lend it to your friend. those are the reasons people are console gamers and once you take that away consoles become absolutely pointless and pc just dominates everything.

lupadim said:
But theres a difference.

Steam offers very good and famous games like Torchlight 2, Payday 2, Garrys Mod, Castle Crashers, GTA IV, COD:BO 2 and others, with huge discounts like 70% and even 90% of discount.

While steam is doing that, PS4 is selling shitty tetris for the price of a subscription. Yeah, you are proving my point. PC gaming is expensive at the beginning, when you have to buy a good PC. After that, it is extremely cheap if you are patient and know when to buy the games.

NoSurrender1690 said:

lot people dont like brown and gray FPS and steam offers nothing id like im or from many compnies i like d draw back of OF STEAM lack of Tohou of games by big japanese Pc game makers like System soft or for the large part Falcom or Chunsoft [ unlike console hell the wii VC had YS IV the older version pre calceta]

and the lack of Doujin games is irksome as well

Steam is quite anti Japanese oim sorry buti know why its the us pc gamers fault thay dont like game that look colourfull 99.99999999%
of us made game are Brown and Gray have no vibrnce

NoSurrender1690 said:
lot people dont like brown and gray FPS and steam offers nothing id like im or from many compnies i like d draw back of OF STEAM lack of Tohou of games by big japanese Pc game makers like System soft or for the large part Falcom or Chunsoft [ unlike console hell the wii VC had YS IV the older version pre calceta]

and the lack of Doujin games is irksome as well

Steam is quite anti Japanese oim sorry buti know why its the us pc gamers fault thay dont like game that look colourfull 99.99999999%
of us made game are Brown and Gray have no vibrnce

snaphat said:

You could distill "complicated" into multiple things. It's certainly not a proper evaluation if you just generalize away all of the differences as if the whole is worth less than the parts.

Narmy said:

Steam has doujin games and Falcom games...

They're just limited to the games that have been published in English. Blame that on the Japanese companies for being so xenophobic, or the US market as a whole for not caring much about niche Japanese games.

Wasabi said:

Lol blaming Steam for not having games for a niche market. Maybe Japanese game makers should reach out to Steam to host their games instead of blaming Steam for not catering to a niche market. Oh wait, games like Ys is on Steam. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN!?

And really, always harping about this brown and grey. Minecraft? Terraria? Starbound? Bastion? Those are only a few titles that features all the purty colors of the rainbow. Oh, and colors don't always = aesthetics. Some games do absolutely fine with brown and grey. How else do you think they end up being a AAA title?

But it's okay, DateYukata just so very angry that the Japanese market is slowly becoming a more niche market and its glory days being left behind ever so far away.

Ezekiel said:
Do you always do this? Start with an argument that is meant to be objective ("20 games for the price of 500 yen...") and then fall back on personal preferences? The discussion wasn't about you.

What's wrong with brown and grey? You keep saying that you've already explained, but I didn't see. Not that I know what you're talking about when you say that's what 99 percent of games made in the US (As if Steam only had American games...) are.

I blame the Japanese more for the lack of Japanese games on Steam and for Windows in general. There is a lot of interest in those games, but the Japanese are shortsighted. Dark Souls did very well, even as a shitty port. Metal Gear Rising is getting healthy attention right now too.

mattbenz99 said:


i could of but that would have taken away from the point i was trying to make. my point is that console gaming is simple and rarely do you run into problems that you find in pc gaming (for example no system requirements so the ps4 you buy today will still be able to play brand new games 6 years from now). that is a consoles strength and has always been its strength.

P-sychotic said:
I don't think ever having a console could give me the enjoyment of getting hundreds of dollars of PC parts in the mail, opening up your PC case, and installing everything yourself and admiring it.

For instance my XFX AMD Radeon R9 290, which the R9 series GPUs even come with Mantle which is a console feature.

And also, side note, Steam Box. Even though it's essentially just a high end gaming PC with Steam OS.

P-sychotic said:
I don't think ever having a console could give me the enjoyment of getting hundreds of dollars of PC parts in the mail, opening up your PC case, and installing everything yourself and admiring it.

For instance my XFX AMD Radeon R9 290, which the R9 series GPUs even come with Mantle which is a console feature.

And also, side note, Steam Box. Even though it's essentially just a high end gaming PC with Steam OS.

balten78 said:
All in all, what you guys are missing is not "which is better" but how you prefer to physically play.

For me, i prefer console gaming and ill tell you why. As an IT pro, Im on my computer and a 100 others, on a keyboard and mouse, in a desk for 10 hours a day. So my PREFERENCE *most* of the time is to relax on the couch to play ps3. Sometimes ill even lay in bed to play xbox (or vise versa.)

I know, you could do the same thing with a wireless mouse and keyboard and play from a distance. Id rather sit on my couch and play The Last of Us or Battlefield 4 on my 60 inch backlit LED with friends and family around me KNOWING that pc graphics and community and hardware and everything else is "better" but its all about the EXPERIENCE.

YuiLovesUi said:

Mantle is not a console feature, Mantle was developed to increase performance across AMD products and to allow consoles to have similar performance levels to those of PCs. Mantle has not even been proven to work in a real life scenario yet, even the BF4 showcasing with the up to '45%' performance increase is very controversial as the video showed 2 massive performance dips during the usage of Mantle.

elemein said:


Sort of...?

- Mantle isnt tied to AMD. Its an open-vendor API. nVidia can use it if they released a compatible architecture.
- None of Mantle's aims include trying to make consoles as powerful as PCs. That's a by product of its actual aim to simply give more control to the programmer through a lower level API which ultimately results in far better performance.
- The gains aren't controversial. Everyone knows the gains are through the roof. If the BF4 demo isnt enough to convince you, look up the Mantle Octane demo.

YuiLovesUi said:


-As it stands NVIDIA has no compatible architecture
-Mantle is there to also improve console performance, which is a secondary aim and I never once stated that it is the primary goal, currently Mantle is not on console therefore it is no current feature and it might be in the future, but not yet
-The BF4 demo is not very convincing and they never once specified during the demo at which detail settings they were using they were getting their 45% improvements and whether those were consistent across the board...