Clannad ~After Story~ Episode 21 Discussion
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Jeez, how much abuse can one man take? He feels attached to a certain individual and they end up dying in front of his eyes.
I really did not expect her to die, I thought she'd be the one to bring happiness into his life, but God damn was I wrong. Why did she have to be so stubborn about that trip?
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NOOOOO, freaking.....Nagisa, Ushio...
But more importantly, poor Tomoya.
I know, I was thinking that the man suffered so much, death might have been the ultimate gift to him. So tragic.
Ushio died.. I couldn't believe it. It's like fate is just taking a crap on Tomoya. Everytime he achieves happiness, that person dies. Man..
I kno rite. What ill fate.
Wonder how many more people are going to die that mean something to Tomoya =/
A lot. Tomoya just has a rotten life.
Poor Tomoya .
I never imagined if his life could be happened in true life .
I mean,someone in this world has the same life like Tomoya .
Now, that would be really sad.
Fear the finger of death
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******EXTRA GALACTIC SPOILER ALERT*****
Greetings, Fair Gentles! This is my first post and I am honored to have found such a great group who care about the Important Things - like good anime.
And after seeing Air first, the Clannad (2006), and Kanon, I feel that Key is a very important studio that is doing amazing and original work. And to start off with erotic games with stories so strong they get made into great "mainstream" anime is an amazing thing.
Now, I did have a bit of dread about this After Story, I mean I cried like a baby so many time during Clannad and the movie and it was clear after the first few episodes that I would have to witness the death of sweet Nagisa again. And that brings us to this episode.
Tomoya kills Ushio with his neglect. That is what I go from this.
This was not sad....it-makes-me-MAD! I mean, I am about to explode Neo-Tokyo or turn into a thousand Hulks ANGER!
First, a doctor comes to your house and says your daughter is sick and gonna die, you do not accept and hang your head - nnnoooooooooooo.
Maybe it is just the deep cultural differences but Tomoya should shaking the pillars of Hell or storm the Gates of Heaven or at least go to that shiny new hospital and DEMAND that they do everything humanly possible to save Ushio.
Where is that Japanese fighting spirit? MAKENAI!
And finally, he takes her out in the cold and snow and she dies.
HE KILLED HER! YOU DO NOT TAKE A SICK CHILD OUT IN THE SNOW!
I so still soooo amazingly anger and it has been months since I have seen it but I just cannot get over this.
I want Tomoya punished. And how could everyone - especially Akio and Sanae, leave this stupid young father who just lost his wife alone with this dying child.
I read that Japan just had it's first jury trial. Judge or Jury, I think either would find that Tomoya is responsible for the death of Ushio and deserves at least 10 years or so in prison to think about his child care skills. And maybe a vasectomy, too.
I wish I had never started this After Story. I hate it.
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You're looking at it with the wrong angle. Ushio was going to die anyway, sooner or later, and Tomoya knew that deep in himself..
I do not believe anyone knew that. I do not believe that Tomoya did enough to see if Ushio could be saved.
After loosing Nagisa, he could not bear to loose someone else so dear for him, and so he decided to take the only last chance ...You can't blame him, everything else failed before, he just didn't know what to do.
Well, who *is* to blame? There is enough to go around. Ushio grandparents should have NEVER left Tomoya alone. Tomoya's famiy was clearly dyfunctional but that does not excuse, it only explains.
And I am sure part my reaction is cultural. I do not pretend to understand or even agree 100% with the Japanese way of seeing thing - any more than I agree 100% with my own sexist and racism culture (Texan).
but MADE ME MAD...and still does. I hate it.
Your mileage will vary.
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When Nagisa died, I kinda knew it would happen...
But THIS...! Was genuine sadness...
I haven't felt true sadness from both series yet until now!
Each Key series had at least a couple of them. Air was in episode 7, 10, and 12. Kanon was in ep 9, 22 and one more, can't remember which ep...
While I still don't consider Clannad to be best out of the bunch, I will give credit to how After Story cleaned up it's act, and got to be the Key story it was supposed to be all along!
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