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Nov 8, 2007 6:31 PM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Great episode, it was a nice way of finishing off the first season, anyways I intensely enjoyed this season and now I'm off to start the second one^^,
 
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Dec 8, 2007 7:44 PM
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Cool end, nice to see the old chairman is still around ^^

I eagerly await the OVA's and the 2nd Season.
 
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mickal555 said:
Cool end, nice to see the old chairman is still around ^^

I eagerly await the OVA's and the 2nd Season.


i second this ^^

 
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I am just glad that they made another season.
 
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Okay, let me see if I understand the exact meaning of this.

Starting around 12:21, the blonde woman says,




In other words, Genshiken members are not just dependent on porn, they are not willing (or possibly lack the ability to) substitute normal porn for ero-doujinshi. Thus, they're not just obsessed with their hobby, they're both obsessed and sexually committed to their hobby. Shaming of identifiable, sexually committed subcultures is not unusual. Consider what would happen if a pair a gay men made a habit of strolling around a conservative American town in bondage gear, and compare the probable reaction with equally gay men who were more or less "in the closet" in the same community.

Considering that international condom companies claim that Japan has a very low rate of actual sexual intercourse, it's not surprising that a lot of Japanese adults are dependent on porn. Considering that Hello Kitty vibrators are sold, I don't think this situation is limited to men.

I don't have first-hand knowledge of Japan, but I suspect a lot of people might use ero-doujinshi without being identifiable otaku. A teen or young adult who keeps assorted ero-doujinshi with the rest of a porn collection but doesn't visibly obsess about manga/anime/cosplay is probably regarded as an ordinary porn user rather than as an otaku. In particular, a woman with a stack of yaoi porn but no other notable distinctions is probably regarded as non-otaku.

So I don't know if I'm understanding this episode, but I think that's the message -- that the shame of being an otaku is largely the shame of being part of an indentifiable sexual subculture.

Am I misunderstanding?
 
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Dec 25, 2008 5:46 AM

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I thought this is a 15-ep series...the other 3 was OVA. I didn't feel that it ended ><

 
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Feb 14, 2009 11:41 PM

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This episode just had an overall good feel, Sasahara as the chairman is perfect for Genshiken.
 
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May 7, 2009 7:06 PM

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I am confused! Has Kasukabe Quit smoking?
 
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Good...look forward to the OVAs and then the second season. There are some really good laughs for the first season but for some reason I feel like something is missing...don't know what.
 
Aug 13, 2009 9:24 PM

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That was a great first season, a very enjoyable show that gave me insight into otaku's. Good show.
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Sep 25, 2009 6:46 PM

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Masaru-sama said:
mickal555 said:
Cool end, nice to see the old chairman is still around ^^

I eagerly await the OVA's and the 2nd Season.


i second this ^^
Third!
 
Sep 28, 2009 7:03 PM

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can anyone explain to me what does male-orientated Kujian means?

Yaoi? or just male version?
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Jan 20, 2010 6:51 AM

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That punch.
 
Apr 8, 2010 3:53 AM

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Good ending to the first series. :)
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Jul 10, 2010 1:58 PM

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The show has it's good parts but there were some slow moments as well. If this was 2004 i would think it was a sorta okay ending, though you can't do much about that with this series, but thankfully the OVA and second season are out from when i started watching.
 
Jul 26, 2010 7:03 PM

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I can't help but always feel bad for Saki throughout the whole series.
It's just so sad for her. *sniffles*
 
Sep 13, 2010 3:17 AM

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Nice ending. I'll definitely check out the second season.
 
Oct 2, 2010 2:04 AM

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and so it finished...ill be watching the 2nd season but not now,sometimes later

7/10
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Oct 4, 2010 2:29 PM

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Didn't like the ending but those were some nice 12 episodes.
 
Oct 7, 2010 4:56 PM

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Great anime, its tough to find satire anime about its own topic. I enjoyed this alot so I'm gonna give it 8/10.
 
Oct 17, 2010 12:53 AM

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Was a good run, think ill check out season2 = )
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formosan said:
Okay, let me see if I understand the exact meaning of this.

Starting around 12:21, the blonde woman says,




In other words, Genshiken members are not just dependent on porn, they are not willing (or possibly lack the ability to) substitute normal porn for ero-doujinshi. Thus, they're not just obsessed with their hobby, they're both obsessed and sexually committed to their hobby. Shaming of identifiable, sexually committed subcultures is not unusual. Consider what would happen if a pair a gay men made a habit of strolling around a conservative American town in bondage gear, and compare the probable reaction with equally gay men who were more or less "in the closet" in the same community.

Considering that international condom companies claim that Japan has a very low rate of actual sexual intercourse, it's not surprising that a lot of Japanese adults are dependent on porn. Considering that Hello Kitty vibrators are sold, I don't think this situation is limited to men.

I don't have first-hand knowledge of Japan, but I suspect a lot of people might use ero-doujinshi without being identifiable otaku. A teen or young adult who keeps assorted ero-doujinshi with the rest of a porn collection but doesn't visibly obsess about manga/anime/cosplay is probably regarded as an ordinary porn user rather than as an otaku. In particular, a woman with a stack of yaoi porn but no other notable distinctions is probably regarded as non-otaku.

So I don't know if I'm understanding this episode, but I think that's the message -- that the shame of being an otaku is largely the shame of being part of an indentifiable sexual subculture.

Am I misunderstanding?


What the FAWK?

--Moving on...

Nice ending for the season, loved the series so far now for the OVA's and Genshiken 2
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Wish i had a club like that :(
 
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DeathReaper said:
Wish i had a club like that :(
This is all I'm thinking about when I'm watching this show. :D
 
Feb 8, 2011 6:06 AM

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This episode had something i can't seem to put into words but it had it
 
Mar 20, 2011 7:35 PM

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I liked watching this. I'll check out the second season.
 
Apr 22, 2011 2:10 PM

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AirStyles said:
can anyone explain to me what does male-orientated Kujian means?

Yaoi? or just male version?


Porn.

As in doujinshi for male readers.......

Ahh, I liked this episode, good to see the club room opened up again, and now I cant wait for the OVA's, hopefully set in spring and the start of Sasahara's third year!

Nice!
 
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I loved this show, but I pretty much hated Saki more than anything. It wasn't enough to make me stop watching, but I did sufficiently rage whenever I saw her face. Whenever she'd show signs of improvement, she'd regress back to her usual evil self and instead of punching her in the snatch like she deserved, everyone just laughed nervously and apologized to her. All the while they're all stressed out as they anticipate her ruining everything. No. Not cool. That woman deserved to have her face punched in many times over.

It's okay though. Madarame made everything completely worthwhile and I hope he continues to do so in the next season.
 
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Nice job sneaking Ogiue into the end credits. XD
 
Oct 29, 2011 10:54 AM

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They wrapped up a lot of stuff really quick, but I enjoyed the episode regardless. I hope the OVAs and second season are just as good as the first season!
 
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vizhmaster_vizhu said:
DeathReaper said:
Wish i had a club like that :(
This is all I'm thinking about when I'm watching this show. :D



Same :(

anyways great show! ^^
 
Jan 15, 2012 2:50 PM

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Winter said:
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I loved this show, but I pretty much hated Saki more than anything. It wasn't enough to make me stop watching, but I did sufficiently rage whenever I saw her face. Whenever she'd show signs of improvement, she'd regress back to her usual evil self and instead of punching her in the snatch like she deserved, everyone just laughed nervously and apologized to her. All the while they're all stressed out as they anticipate her ruining everything. No. Not cool. That woman deserved to have her face punched in many times over.

It's okay though. Madarame made everything completely worthwhile and I hope he continues to do so in the next season.


lmao. this is how i felt abotu nina from code geass but i guess i wouldnt mind punching this saki girl in the throat some of the times

yeah didnt likek the ending sorry guys. i guess its not over yet anyway, gotta watch s2
 
Sep 17, 2012 3:55 PM

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A great ending to a great show.
 
Jan 9, 2013 6:21 AM

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Nice roundup and start for a new experience in the next sequel, this anime was quite a funny one a bit on the slow side perhaps but still quite enjoyable to watch! Lets see what the second season has to offer us!
 
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For a final episode, this ep was surprisingly filled with lots of closure/ending of certain habits, such as: Kousaka no longer playing Guilty Gear, Saki quits smoking, them reviewing the apparent last ep of Kujian, Madarame resigns as chairman, and also the last time we see the original club chairman. Overall, it was good (though I thought it'd be a bigger twist to have Saki take up the role as club chairman, though prolly not possible given she's still a bitch about otaku culture lol)

 
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Am I the only one who couldn't figure out who the main character the series was?

Heh, maybe I was blazing through this series. Anyways, not bad but character development could be done better for the main protagonist which I could barely tell. Seems like Kasukabe is the main character despite being a dominant girl. Well at any rate, not too bad.

7/10 for season 1.
 
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Okay, let me see if...




In other words, Genshiken members are ...

Considering that international condom companies claim that Japan has a very low rate of actual sexual intercourse, it's not surprising that a lot of Japanese adults are dependent on porn....

... but I think that's the message -- that the shame of being an otaku is largely the shame of being part of an indentifiable sexual subculture...

Where did you get that statistics stuffs from? I know Japan has a low PILL usage but a high condom usage instead. There is no indication of low sexual activities.
 
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I thought this is a 15-ep series...the other 3 was OVA. I didn't feel that it ended ><

That's how slice-of-life flicks end. It can't be any other way since it doesn't really have a storyline anyway.
 
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I like this show. I'll check out the ova and season 2.
 
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Bored out of my mind with this show. Very little character development and lackluster OST. Maybe that was the point of the show, to just show the club's adventures but they could have at least had a little character development. Saki, I suppose, did grow to understand her new friends (if she'd even call them that). I don't think I'm gonna watch anymore of this.
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I think Saki represents all those people that you really hope would understand your hobby and the attraction that things like anime, manga, games and plamos have for you. Let's face it, despite Big Bang Theory and a few other mainstream hits geek/otaku culture is still pretty exotic for a lot of people. In fact most of the audience would probably consider the main characters in BBT weird exotic comic exaggerations, where we probably recognize ourselves and our friends in Sheldon, Leonard, Raj, and Howard. Genshiken is not just a slice of life show, it's a slice of our lives. Even the first chairman's research is surprisingly close to the truth (I presented a paper on identity, subcultures and online communities--early geocities homesteads--when I was doing my doctorate, so his chapter headings/episode titles make perfect sense to me). I'm looking forward to the OVAs and second season.
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Jun 22, 2013 1:49 AM

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I don't really like that the focus of the story was so confused. First it's on the generic otaku new kid, then it's on the blondish chick for the rest of the anime untill the end where it gets back to that guy. Overall a truly average anime. I would have loved to see more of the first chairman though.
 
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Kohsaka was suddenly a very caring BF there for Saki. And Madarame in the room! Waaa... so awkward. But anyway, good series overall. Not that great but it's pretty entertaining that I even finished it in less than a day (some series will actually take me more days)..
 
Jul 22, 2013 3:21 PM

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7.5/10
Nice finale
 
Aug 24, 2013 8:35 PM

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final episode.. okay I guess :p
 
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Nice ending, though they mixed several different chapters together. But they managed to capture that bittersweet ending of manga volume had which is great. Something ends yet something begins... Off to the Comiket!

And Ogiue in the ED, yay! Can't wait for seeing OVAs, KujiUn and season 2 :)

7/10 for this season animation as manga is a lot better.
 
Sep 16, 2013 6:08 AM

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Decent final episode, Saki's really changed and more accepting of the otaku culture. Sasahara being chosen as chairman threw me off completely. Overall a decent series, had some good moments but overall was kinda dull and boring for me. 6/10
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Sep 22, 2014 9:01 PM

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Didn't expect to see Saki cry there. I guess it's over. Now to watch the OVAs! Good episode.
 
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This show proved to me (not that I needed it to be proved) that I am definitely NOT an otaku lol.
It was a fine show, will be watching more later.

6/10 for me
 
Dec 8, 2014 3:45 AM

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Just finished it for the fourth time and a 10/10 score shall easily stay.
With every re-watch I see more of the depth this series has.

Really have to get around to read the manga to get further perspective.
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The manga's great. Clean art and the 4-koma comics are fun. Looks like Genshiken has been collected in the less expensive omnibus format. Subscribe to the RightStuf newsletter and wait for a sale on Kodansha manga to get an even better discount!
 
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