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Nov 19, 2015 4:07 AM

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They should have ended this on episode 11.
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Nov 28, 2015 5:53 PM

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not the best due to some cheese but definitely memorable finale

i mean what happened after the bus exploded? how'd they get out of it pretty much unhurt o_O"

when i saw them go off in the van i'd think they'd throw them off the cliff again just to troll us lol
 
Dec 2, 2015 1:51 PM

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Ok this ending ruined the whole purpose for me.. As well as the feels moment i had in the previous episode. Yeah i love happy endings but not the way they did it.. This just feels like a disney movie now but not a good one

7/10 tho and first season got a 6/10.

Cant say i rlly disliked both season but they had nothing rlly outstanding
 
Jan 13, 2016 8:09 PM

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Great way to wrap it all up. :D Jun Maeda showed us once again that he's a genius...beautiful story. The 2nd season was incredible :)

And quite a realistic way to end this, it was all about Riki's courage..

One of the best series i've ever seen :)

9/10!
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May 9, 2016 7:17 PM
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Pretty good ending to the series. I'm glad that everything tied together fairly well, especially since I was getting a little confused/frustrated during the earlier episodes.

One thing that kind of irked me was that everyone was still alive from the crash. I totally thought that everyone besides Riki and Rin were supposed to be dead or dying. The lead up to this episode just feels weird to me now. I still liked the happy ending though lol.
 
May 23, 2016 11:45 AM

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6/10. All the buildup was wasted, some questions or plot points were left unanswered, and in the end all was well.

Who is Kyousuke and why can he 'create' a world just like that while freezing time? Classic Key and their otherworlds. It was all fiction, and apparently only the main characters' personalities were in it, yet even secondary characters had well defined traits, and even backstories at times. Did Kyousuke also imagine all of that? Is he God? Are those characters even real? (ex: Sasami, the mean girls, the one-eyed archer girl, etc).

Why did the anime go the extra length to make it seem like everyone was dead (fake feels) just so in the end literally no one was dead at any point in time? Understandably, the 'dead' never assumed that the main couple would be strong enough to rescue them, but still. Tricking the audience into being moved at something that was never real is cheap. At the very least they could have been severely injured. There were pools of blood after all inside that bus but nope, everyone is fine!

Everybody survives. Out of a crash like that. Ok lol, anime magic. Lack of realism and suspension of disbelief can only carry me so far.

This one is a bit far fetched, but in one take (ep 12) you can see that the buses were traveling caravan-style one behind another. Yet when the crash took place, they all vanished. The thought of this entire story becoming utterly pointless had one of those other buses stopped right away to assist the accident victims is scary.

Romance appears out of effing nowhere, though calling it 'romance' is already pushing it, and it goes absolutely nowhere as well. It was hinted that it had already happened in other worlds before by Kyousuke, yet nothing happened at all in the last definitive fake world nor in the real world. Writers simply forgot about it.

I had already guessed that their field trip bus crashed from the June 20th repeating itself (with the board always reading "Field trip something") and that Riki and Rin were the sole survivors, yet this wasn't a detriment to my final score. Last 2 episodes were just handled very poorly in my opinion.

Edit: Forgot to mention how funny is seeing Riki out of all people so willingly to jump back into a van to go on a field trip after enduring not one but two traumatizing car accidents. The other ones don't seem to mind it so much either.
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Mirai Nikki is TRASH
Angel Beats is horrible.
Charlotte is a dumpster fire.
Shinsekai Yori has no characters.
Oreimo's S2 specials don't actually exist.

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Sep 4, 2016 10:11 AM

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Made it to happiness!

I wished for a bit more from the series, but was fun to watch in any case.
 
Jan 6, 2017 10:07 PM

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Okay, I'm super glad everyone survived and happy they have a safe trip in that white van. But one big question is still going on in my head, were all those sad back stories , real? Because everything was trial and error for Riki and Rin to mature. They might have been real but I felt like all of the new girls added to the little busters developed their friendship with them inside the world and in the real world never knew them at all. If they were real, I feel like the little busters may not have had been together at the time to solve it in real life.
 
Jan 10, 2017 8:29 PM

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Absolute bull$hit. The ending was the biggest pile of crap I seen in a long while.

Here the reasons why it is impossible for the events that occurred in this episode to be even remotely plausible.

-The bus weighs about 12 tonnes and say it did about 10+ revolutions. Which mean SOME students should have been crushed by the weight of the bus.
-Some students should have been thrown out of the windows
-Rin had an injured arm and Rikki an injured leg. They shouldn't have had the ability to carry 30 students out of the bus and over a hill
-The bus should have exploded a lot sooner
-Grass doesn't spontaneously combust like that
-So out of all the students, Kyousuke had the most significant damage by far. We saw him in the flashback dragging his body through the dirt with large amount of blood lost. Why is this? Didn't Kengo and Masato shield Rikki and Rin from during the crash? Why didn't we see large pool of blood under them, when they were on the ground.
-Episode 12 shows us a scene with a large pool of blood on the floor of the bus and blood smears on the wall of the bus. Kyousuke couldn't have been the only person with that of a large blood loss or else he would be dead. There had to be others.
-Where did Riki and Rin get materials for the stretcher? The bus pretty much destroyed everything but from what we saw, they had perfect sticks and a nice white cloths available for them somehow.
-Rikki and Rin should not have been able to drag the stretcher with the individual on them. Why? The angle of the hill is steep and so the person should have slid off. Unless they took a really long time for each person....but that goes back point of why didn't the bus combust a lot sooner.
-When Rin and Rikki are trying to save Kyousuke, we saw Rikki struggle. Why? He had no issue dragging 15 other people up a steep hill before but now he struggles?
-How did Kyousuke know where the gasoline leak was coming from? If he was so bloodied up from the damage of the crash, shouldn't he have been delirious? How was he able to get his head right, pass himself through the mangled remains and find the exact leaking spot on the bus?
-Rin and Rikki's injuries should have been severely worse considering they were meters away from the crash. In fact they shouldn't have been able to move but hey screw logic.
-The explosion should have killed Rikki, Rin and Kyousuke. The proximity of the explosion was far to close for them to survive. Even if they were to survive, they should have all had severe 3rd degree burns on their back and legs.
-Kyousuke arriving at the end was deux ex machina.

The show tried way too hard to be like Clannad by implementing a supernatural twist to a slice of life anime and failed. At first I thought we would have more crazy fun behaviour of the Little Busters but the show deviated from that.

The beginning had that but then the show completely went off course with the whole Kurugaya incident. It was out of place and not really handled that well. Rin and Rikki started dating and then Kyousuke's plan was put in place. I was confused because I had no idea what was really going on with this plan. Then it all came together in the final episodes and by episode 10, I was waiting for the glorious realization of reality. This is of course ignoring my main issue with the show. too many members.

There were way too many members of the Little Busters and as seen by its low score, the first Little Busters. Sloppily put together one dimensional characters who fit a particular character archetype. No one really cared for the side characters...accept for Komari. She had some depth and allowed Rin to gain her final character change for her to break out of her depressed state.

Another major issue is the lack of world building. We rarely had them take tests, go to clubs, do homework or any other student duties. The show was based on events that happened during the summer but it felt empty. Nothing but the characters mattered and the world itself was hollow. Least with Clannad we see the main characters doing normal school activities and doing regular stuff high school students do.

The main four were generic but they did fulfill their duties. I for one didn't like how Kyousuke pulled crap from his ass. Oh ya I picked 5 random people who all had tragic pasts and would be able to make Rikki and Rin stronger. What did he stock them and find their personal info? I also didn't like the how Kyousuke was able to control what school Rin went to or how he able to warp reality itself. He had too much power and Kengo and Masato just go with it. In fact the entire nonsensical part where Rikki has to bring them back to the Little Busters was a big head scratcher. How did he do the same thing Kyousuke? Hell why was Rikki and Rin in the same dimension. They were both unconscious I get that but....you know what forget it. No point in trying to question deux ex machina.

Little Busters is a bad anime in my opinion. If they held their frame and maintained a sad ending, I would have been a lot more satisfied than this pile of garbage. The whole drivel conclusion of "lets make everyone happy" ending was a cop out.
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Apr 1, 2017 1:36 AM
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i seriously loved it. it made me cry a lot. it is a perfect nakige. ALL HAIL JUN MAEDA!!!!
 
Apr 20, 2017 5:54 PM

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There's one kind of ending that turns me off the most, and it's this "the supposedly dead character(s) were alive for unexplained reason because we need a happy ending". It feels like the show just slaps me in the head and then goes "it's a joke lol".

What's the point of the "feels", I mean, the entire message of LB, if NO ONE died? The show beat me over the head times and times and times again with the "good moment won't last forever", and the ending outright betrays that whole concept. Don't even let me touch on how unconvincing it was that apparently no one, except Kyousuke, was even heavily injured in the crash.

If the characters need to die to convey the story, then let them die. If you can't have a happy ending, then just forget about it. Don't ruin the story just to make everyone happy.
 
May 14, 2017 5:17 PM

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Perfect series. Loved every moment of this. Glad it had a happy ending.
10/10
 
Jul 21, 2017 6:46 AM

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Convenient how everyone survived but overall I'm happy with this ending.

The little field trip had me grinning.

 
Jul 22, 2017 8:15 PM

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Such a great way to end this very good anime. This season already started a bit better than the previous one, but with the twist in the late second half this became quite magical. I was impressed that there was more to some characters than just their one trait and the OSTs were fantastic, they really reinforced the emotional impact this show had.

I'm also completely satisfied with the happy end we got and the beach excursion along with the first opening was a worthy way to conclude this final.

8/10
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Oct 18, 2017 2:39 AM

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Absolute bull$hit. The ending was the biggest pile of crap I seen in a long while.

Here the reasons why it is impossible for the events that occurred in this episode to be even remotely plausible.

-The bus weighs about 12 tonnes and say it did about 10+ revolutions. Which mean SOME students should have been crushed by the weight of the bus.
-Some students should have been thrown out of the windows
-Rin had an injured arm and Rikki an injured leg. They shouldn't have had the ability to carry 30 students out of the bus and over a hill
-The bus should have exploded a lot sooner
-Grass doesn't spontaneously combust like that
-So out of all the students, Kyousuke had the most significant damage by far. We saw him in the flashback dragging his body through the dirt with large amount of blood lost. Why is this? Didn't Kengo and Masato shield Rikki and Rin from during the crash? Why didn't we see large pool of blood under them, when they were on the ground.
-Episode 12 shows us a scene with a large pool of blood on the floor of the bus and blood smears on the wall of the bus. Kyousuke couldn't have been the only person with that of a large blood loss or else he would be dead. There had to be others.
-Where did Riki and Rin get materials for the stretcher? The bus pretty much destroyed everything but from what we saw, they had perfect sticks and a nice white cloths available for them somehow.
-Rikki and Rin should not have been able to drag the stretcher with the individual on them. Why? The angle of the hill is steep and so the person should have slid off. Unless they took a really long time for each person....but that goes back point of why didn't the bus combust a lot sooner.
-When Rin and Rikki are trying to save Kyousuke, we saw Rikki struggle. Why? He had no issue dragging 15 other people up a steep hill before but now he struggles?
-How did Kyousuke know where the gasoline leak was coming from? If he was so bloodied up from the damage of the crash, shouldn't he have been delirious? How was he able to get his head right, pass himself through the mangled remains and find the exact leaking spot on the bus?
-Rin and Rikki's injuries should have been severely worse considering they were meters away from the crash. In fact they shouldn't have been able to move but hey screw logic.
-The explosion should have killed Rikki, Rin and Kyousuke. The proximity of the explosion was far to close for them to survive. Even if they were to survive, they should have all had severe 3rd degree burns on their back and legs.
-Kyousuke arriving at the end was deux ex machina.

The show tried way too hard to be like Clannad by implementing a supernatural twist to a slice of life anime and failed. At first I thought we would have more crazy fun behaviour of the Little Busters but the show deviated from that.

The beginning had that but then the show completely went off course with the whole Kurugaya incident. It was out of place and not really handled that well. Rin and Rikki started dating and then Kyousuke's plan was put in place. I was confused because I had no idea what was really going on with this plan. Then it all came together in the final episodes and by episode 10, I was waiting for the glorious realization of reality. This is of course ignoring my main issue with the show. too many members.

There were way too many members of the Little Busters and as seen by its low score, the first Little Busters. Sloppily put together one dimensional characters who fit a particular character archetype. No one really cared for the side characters...accept for Komari. She had some depth and allowed Rin to gain her final character change for her to break out of her depressed state.

Another major issue is the lack of world building. We rarely had them take tests, go to clubs, do homework or any other student duties. The show was based on events that happened during the summer but it felt empty. Nothing but the characters mattered and the world itself was hollow. Least with Clannad we see the main characters doing normal school activities and doing regular stuff high school students do.

The main four were generic but they did fulfill their duties. I for one didn't like how Kyousuke pulled crap from his ass. Oh ya I picked 5 random people who all had tragic pasts and would be able to make Rikki and Rin stronger. What did he stock them and find their personal info? I also didn't like the how Kyousuke was able to control what school Rin went to or how he able to warp reality itself. He had too much power and Kengo and Masato just go with it. In fact the entire nonsensical part where Rikki has to bring them back to the Little Busters was a big head scratcher. How did he do the same thing Kyousuke? Hell why was Rikki and Rin in the same dimension. They were both unconscious I get that but....you know what forget it. No point in trying to question deux ex machina.

Little Busters is a bad anime in my opinion. If they held their frame and maintained a sad ending, I would have been a lot more satisfied than this pile of garbage. The whole drivel conclusion of "lets make everyone happy" ending was a cop out.
Just finished this series and this is what also left me unsatisfied. Everything went well with the first half of this season, but then the ending is all "oooh, you poor watcher, we don't want you to hate us forever, so here is your happy ending". Meh. Also, indeed, the stretchers were impossible without them restraining the people onto the stretcher :') So many things were quite anime-only here. The show itself is all about giving Rin and Riki reality checks... only to end with the creators needing a reality check themselves and leaving us with such a weak non-befitting ending. :/ Only good thing about this ending was how Rin actually opened up to Komari and such, but welp.
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Oct 26, 2017 5:58 PM

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ust finished this series and this is what also left me unsatisfied. Everything went well with the first half of this season, but then the ending is all "oooh, you poor watcher, we don't want you to hate us forever, so here is your happy ending". Meh. Also, indeed, the stretchers were impossible without them restraining the people onto the stretcher :') So many things were quite anime-only here. The show itself is all about giving Rin and Riki reality checks... only to end with the creators needing a reality check themselves and leaving us with such a weak non-befitting ending. :/ Only good thing about this ending was how Rin actually opened up to Komari and such, but welp.


You are on the money. Great first half, nice set of characters and the plot was intriguing but instead of having characters deal with their problems, they pull that nonsense. Been a while since I watched it, might check it out again.
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Oct 28, 2017 11:25 AM
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Watched this long ago, but I'm still going to comment. I didn't have any real problems except one thing. They show that some of the Refrain stuff happened before in the first season in the Kud route when Riki uses his cell (Rin in that outfit when she leaves everyone in the Refrain events, and Riki confronting Kyusuke holding Lennon Refrain scene). Okay here is the problem. If Kyusuke already failed with Rin's events before, why didn't he come up with something better than doing it again? Unlike Riki, Kyusuke's method with Rin was very cruel and unfair. She is sent to another school away from everyone she knows, and she isn't even allowed to have contact with Komari at least. Riki at the very least had contact with those around him in his trials, while Rin is forced to shoulder everything all on her own completely isolated from everyone she knows. That's not right, and he should have been able to come up with something better than that for her, especially when it failed the first time prior to us seeing this Refrain timeline, and this second fail had repercussions on Rin's mental state for a time. He deserved that punch Kengo gave him. There's so many things he could have done better than what he did come up with for Rin.
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... now this is closer to my preference than clannad and its creepy nagisa eyes and yet i cant give them different grades..... wait i just realized i did
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Aug 22, 2018 11:54 PM
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Almost a decade late to this show. Freaking Masterpiece.
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Huh, so they went for the happy ending in the end and everyone survived. Didn't expect that, I thought they would go full drama.

Overall too much drama and not enough comedy in comparison to season 1, didn't enjoy it as much. 5/10
 
May 21, 10:32 PM
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Pretty nice series but ending is complete bullshit. I don't get point for pushing this "super happy end". It should have ended at EP11. What was the whole point for Rikki and Rin going through all this shit, learn and grow up only to get "hey everyone is alright we all will be together forever".

Sorry i dont buy this finale. 9/10 for 2nd season and 5/10 for this ep.
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Damn, that was good! I had a friend in college that I looked up to like Riki did to Kyousuke, and he watched over and cared for me in much of the same way. Good memories. I'm happy everyone made it out, was expecting more of a rewind-time or some other supernatural kind of thing, but I'm glad it happened they way it did, felt more satisfying! 10 out of 10, would watch again!...no Rin and Riki kiss or even hand holding at the end, just a close up (heh), hmph! I nitpick xp
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