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Dec 21, 2013 3:56 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Interesting conclusion adaptation~

Anyway, check out my gallery for some cool Little Busters foreshadowing and symbolism:
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Dec 21, 2013 3:57 AM

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Oh wow bus crash. Shit just went down.

Dat Riki and his suffering ;.; Mini Rin looks cute though. But still her suffering hit me a bit this episode. Not sure how this was adapted from the VN though. Nice to see some of the girls especially KURUGAYA :3

Finale should be interesting I guess, dat talk about the world.
 
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Dec 21, 2013 3:57 AM

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RIN DON'T CRY :'(
Nice finale :')
EDIT: NO WHAT WTH

I think I jinxed it -.-

 
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Dec 21, 2013 3:58 AM

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That bus crash was awesome. Who the hell was driving though?
 
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Dec 21, 2013 3:59 AM

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DeathyZA said:
So was the episode good? :3

Yeah it was pretty good, the bus crash feels~
 
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Dec 21, 2013 3:59 AM

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I just realized I didn't screen shot Kurugaya's sexy face. :(
 
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Dec 21, 2013 4:01 AM

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Welp, I guess we're getting
 
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Dec 21, 2013 4:02 AM
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They CLEARLY showed the bus crash ? Oh my Haruhi ! Where did the episode ended ?
 
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Dec 21, 2013 4:03 AM

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Good Episode is good indeed,
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Dec 21, 2013 4:03 AM

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Ol-Hybrius said:
They CLEARLY showed the bus crash ? Oh my Haruhi ! Where did the episode ended ?

Rin and Riki saying they could save everyone.

DeathyZA said:
Good Episode is good indeed,
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Dec 21, 2013 4:05 AM

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DeathyZA said:
Good Episode is good indeed, No proposal tho? :(

They went straight to the true end.
 
Dec 21, 2013 4:05 AM

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egnaro315 said:
DeathyZA said:
Good Episode is good indeed, No proposal tho? :(

They went straight to the true end.


Ah what the hell....

That just makes me sad :c
 
Dec 21, 2013 4:07 AM
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egnaro315 said:
DeathyZA said:
Good Episode is good indeed, No proposal tho? :(

They went straight to the true end.


That's a shame... Hopefully the episode is good nonetheless, but that was what I was afraid of.
 
Dec 21, 2013 4:09 AM

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How could they actually take it out
Why JC WHY!

Thats terrible..

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Dec 21, 2013 4:11 AM

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Who was driving the bus btw?
 
Dec 21, 2013 4:12 AM

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Stark700 said:
Who was driving the bus btw?

..The bus driver? xD
 
Dec 21, 2013 4:12 AM

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Stark700 said:
Who was driving the bus btw?


Kyousuke...
Just kidding, it's never stated.
Seriously though, I don't even know what to say.

Sure the true end being done in one go will work out fine thematically, but the emotional impact and everything the story was built up to, the inevitability of the bus explosion, is just fucking gone.
 
Dec 21, 2013 4:13 AM
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I was really glad with the last four episodes,
Just, no. It's like

Clannad After Story Spoiler
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Dec 21, 2013 4:13 AM

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egnaro315 said:
Stark700 said:
Who was driving the bus btw?

..The bus driver? xD


Lol.

Anyways, here's the scene for those wondering where the episode ended:
http://i.imgur.com/0tZGCcr.png

Well, before Rin's face closed up.
 
Dec 21, 2013 4:14 AM

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DeathyZA said:



Nope
 
Dec 21, 2013 4:14 AM

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Stark700 said:
egnaro315 said:
Stark700 said:
Who was driving the bus btw?

..The bus driver? xD


Lol.

Anyways, here's the scene for those wondering where the episode ended:
http://i.imgur.com/0tZGCcr.png

Well, before Rin's face closed up.

No one expected the episode to end with a shot like that lol.
 
Dec 21, 2013 4:15 AM
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Stark700 said:
Anyways, here's the scene for those wondering where the episode ended:
http://i.imgur.com/0tZGCcr.png

Well, before Rin's face closed up.


What with that heavyweight lifting Rin ?
 
Dec 21, 2013 5:01 AM

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You mean they didn't do the deus ex machina ending?

Thank friggin god that was the stupidest part of the game. Now I'm...actually going to be really ok with the ending. Plus it makes no sense in the anime adaption due to the power "waning" in the other world.

Also thank you for
It's just too early in their relationship for that to be believable to most anime viewers.
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VN endings spoilers
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Not sure how that's a problem here, as from what's described that's exactly what happen. Fan-service ending or not, that was the canon ending in the VN.

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Dec 21, 2013 5:14 AM

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After hearing what you guys just said I am thinking whether to watch the episode all not lol
The scene I treasured the most in the whole VN is the KomaRin parting and I don't want the anime to ruin it for me :/
 
Dec 21, 2013 5:16 AM

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xMaebaraK1x said:
After hearing what you guys just said I am thinking whether to watch the episode all not lol
The scene I treasured the most in the whole VN is the KomaRin parting and I don't want the anime to ruin it for me :/

That scene was alright. I didn't like how they cut off the chorus to One Magic World though unless I missed it.
 
Dec 21, 2013 5:23 AM

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LB/Clannad spoilers~
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Dec 21, 2013 5:32 AM

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Ok. Did they just forgo Kyousuke's plan and made Riki go back to the bus? Looks like Kyousuke's plan failed lol.
Kyousuke's plan was to strengthen Riki and prevent himi from staying around the bus and die, which he did.

At least I generally liked the farewells (the 2nd half).
 
Dec 21, 2013 5:35 AM

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Well, that's where the themes of "becoming stronger" conflict with the actual story intentions.
You can dispute that this story works thematically all you want, but now it's less emotional, and now everything the dream world has ever stood for is turned to melodrama in retrospect, unless they have a way to show that Riki and Rin weren't strong enough to save everyone.
 
Dec 21, 2013 5:39 AM

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Well that's just how key handles things. I mean...it's not any different then the VN. What it does is still a cop out, but at least its a thematic cop out. I mean this has been the same since Air, Kanon and Clannad all cop out in the same fashion. It's just what jun maeda does.

Yes its less emotional hence why I wasn't pleased with the ending in the VN at first. But then I more understood it's purpose in the grand scheme of things and it actually was kind of cool.

I think this is why Romeo wrote Rewrite the way he did. He didn't want to rely on any "key" magic methods to solve anything.
 
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Vladz0r said:
Except that the themes of "becoming stronger" leading up to Riki and Rin being able to save them on the first attempt wasn't the point.
Kyousuke's intention was for Riki and Rin to become strong enough to live without the Little Busters. That was what made Little Busters, the dream world, and everyone's love and emotions was intended for.

Now, the dream world was a place for Riki and Rin to get strong enough to save them. There's less plot hole asspulling, but it's a different story direction than the original because now there's one timeline.

I mean, we still get the turnaround with Riki and Rin subverting Kyousuke's plan and intentions, but now there's just one happy ending. I can't imagine how weak Clannad would've been if


It would be hard to say that I don't feel left out, now, having already anticipated the original ending.


First of all, spoiler tag all of this shit, because anime-only peeps will be pissed. Second of all-
 
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Well well, for someone who gave Clannad a 10, you have alot of stupid stuff to say about it. I do agree with you that Kyousuke´s plan was just to get the two idiots out of the artificial world, at the end of Refrain he even said:



So yeah, skipping the bad ending isnt a terrible decision if you ask me.
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What's the problem with Riki falling asleep right by the bus?

 
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Seano299 said:
Vladz0r said:
Except that the themes of "becoming stronger" leading up to Riki and Rin being able to save them on the first attempt wasn't the point.
Kyousuke's intention was for Riki and Rin to become strong enough to live without the Little Busters. That was what made Little Busters, the dream world, and everyone's love and emotions was intended for.

Now, the dream world was a place for Riki and Rin to get strong enough to save them. There's less plot hole asspulling, but it's a different story direction than the original because now there's one timeline.

I mean, we still get the turnaround with Riki and Rin subverting Kyousuke's plan and intentions, but now there's just one happy ending. I can't imagine how weak Clannad would've been if


It would be hard to say that I don't feel left out, now, having already anticipated the original ending.


First of all, spoiler tag all of this shit, because anime-only peeps will be pissed. Second of all-


Clannad had a deus ex machina ending, but you do not see it having such a low score? Look how popular Clannad was, who gives a FUCK about a deus ex machina ending. Barely anyone I know does.
 
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Seano299 said:

You summarized what made me wtf the most very well.
 
Dec 21, 2013 5:46 AM

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Yeah, just finished watching.
My thought:

Fuck you JC Staff.
\(^o^)/
 
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What's the problem with Riki falling asleep right by the bus?


It shows us that he didn't listen to Kyousuke when he was told " You can't save us, You and Rin must survive". If the bus explodes right there, all of the LB! sacrifices would be in vain especially Kyousuke's since he is buying time for them by blocking the gasoline leak with his body and Riki just runs back to the scene and falls asleep lol.
 
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Liked the episode. Must agree with hyperknees91 and Seano299 on the "Deus Ex Machina" part. Rin is my favourite girl in LB, and i wanted to see the proposal scene, but I'm not dissapointed with the changes. Actually, I thought they will do something like that from the start :)
 
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egnaro315 said:
hyperknees91 said:
What's the problem with Riki falling asleep right by the bus?


It shows us that he didn't listen to Kyousuke when he was told " You can't save us, You and Rin must survive". If the bus explodes right there, all of the LB! sacrifices would be in vain especially Kyousuke's since he is buying time for them by blocking the gasoline leak with his body and Riki just runs backs to the scene lol.


And figures he needs to fix his narcolepsy before he can rescue them.
I see no problem? And it's not like he can choose when to fall asleep anyway.
Wafuu~
 
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egnaro315 said:
hyperknees91 said:
What's the problem with Riki falling asleep right by the bus?


It shows us that he didn't listen to Kyousuke when he was told " You can't save us, You and Rin must survive". If the bus explodes right there, all of the LB! sacrifices would be in vain especially Kyousuke's since he is buying time for them by blocking the gasoline leak with his body and Riki just runs backs to the scene lol.


 
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Clannad:
Score: 8.541 (scored by 157707 users)
Ranked: #752
Popularity: #10

Little Busters Refrain:
Score: 8.321 (scored by 4304 users)
Ranked: #1852
Popularity: #1126


I don't see a problem with a "dues ex Machina" Ending, If ppl hated it, then why would Clannad be so popular when they had one of those endings.
 
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DeathyZA said:
Clannad:
Score: 8.541 (scored by 157707 users)
Ranked: #752
Popularity: #10

Little Busters Refrain:
Score: 8.321 (scored by 4304 users)
Ranked: #1852
Popularity: #1126


I don't see a problem with a "dues ex Machina" Ending, If ppl hated it, then why would Clannad be so popular when they had one of those endings.


DeathyZA, believe me, barely anyone I know was bothered by the ending, maybe 2 people at the most, when I know 20+ others that loved it as much as us. However, this shitty community needs a reason to criticize everything they watch, so they pick on the ending (which wasnt even bad IMO), they dont watch anime to enjoy themselves, they watch anime to find flaws, which is utterly stupid if you ask me.
 
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And I don't see a problem skipping it. Why is it a problem other than stroking VN players' ego anyway.
Wafuu~
 
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DeathyZA said:
Clannad:
Score: 8.541 (scored by 157707 users)
Ranked: #752
Popularity: #10

Little Busters Refrain:
Score: 8.321 (scored by 4304 users)
Ranked: #1852
Popularity: #1126


I don't see a problem with a "dues ex Machina" Ending, If ppl hated it, then why would Clannad be so popular when they had one of those endings.


Because it's lazy writing mainly. Obviously not everyone has a problem with that, but hey clannad could have pleased even more of it's watchers if it didn't have such a pathetic excuse for an ending.

Though like you said, it doesn't bother everyone. We can argue about subjective stuff all we want, but it really comes down to if it personally bothers a person or not. Same with anything really.

Therefore yeah it's kind of pointless to argue about. And like said even if I think it's a terrible ending, other people do indeed like it. So who am I to judge?

Basically people need to chill out around here lawl. It's the same with you guys being overly critical with the adaption. Just enjoy it for what it is, and if you don't like it...well just read the VN. Very simple solution actually.
 
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Do you actually frequent many anime related forums other than this one? Don't you realise that there are hundreds of people who complain about Clannad's ending, myself included? The anime's ending was terrible. It lacks a decent explanation and comes out of nowhere. The only reason I didn't drop the score for the Clannad anime is my VN bias, which I'm trying not to keep with this adaptation. I don't think that a VN bias should get in the way of the adaptations score. It's for this reason I think that some of the VN players are giving this a low score just because it wasn't like the VN. Rate it as an anime, because that's what anime-only viewers looking for a good anime will want to know. Not how decent of an actual adaptation it is.
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hyperknees91 said:

Basically people need to chill out around here lawl. It's the same with you guys being overly critical with the adaption. Just enjoy it for what it is, and if you don't like it...well just read the VN. Very simple solution actually.


Pretty much what I think loool, the adaptation isnt horrible, its true they made a couple of bad decisions, etc, and the animation is obviously subpar, but if you don´t care about the animation (like I dont), and if you see LB for what its supposed to be, you can enjoy this adaptation to the fullest.
 
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masterfxx1 said:
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Clannad:
I don't see a problem with a "dues ex Machina" Ending, If ppl hated it, then why would Clannad be so popular when they had one of those endings.


DeathyZA, believe me, barely anyone I know was bothered by the ending, maybe 2 people at the most, when I know 20+ others that loved it as much as us. However, this shitty community needs a reason to criticize everything they watch, so they pick on the ending (which wasnt even bad IMO), they dont watch anime to enjoy themselves, they watch anime to find flaws, which is utterly stupid if you ask me.


"They don't watch anime to enjoy themselves, they watch anime to find flaws."

Exactly what you VN players are doing. ;) You VN players are so entertaining. LOL.
 
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fauzty said:
masterfxx1 said:
DeathyZA said:
Clannad:
I don't see a problem with a "dues ex Machina" Ending, If ppl hated it, then why would Clannad be so popular when they had one of those endings.


DeathyZA, believe me, barely anyone I know was bothered by the ending, maybe 2 people at the most, when I know 20+ others that loved it as much as us. However, this shitty community needs a reason to criticize everything they watch, so they pick on the ending (which wasnt even bad IMO), they dont watch anime to enjoy themselves, they watch anime to find flaws, which is utterly stupid if you ask me.


"They don't watch anime to enjoy themselves, they watch anime to find flaws."

Exactly what you VN players are doing. You VN players are so entertaining. LOL.


When did I badmouth this adaptation? I dont remember doing it as far as I remembered. I always said it was "decent", and I enjoyed Kengo and Kyousuke´s episode alot. Please don´t compare me to those VN readers that hate the adaptation.
 
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