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Dec 18, 2013 12:41 PM
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Well... Aki's mom did say "To be continued" before jumping.
Maybe we will get some more answers in the OVA, maybe even a S2.
 
 
Dec 18, 2013 12:44 PM

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Da hell was that ?
 
Dec 18, 2013 12:48 PM

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I guess Kyoami is such a wonderful producer of anime that they don't feel the need to provide us with much in the way of explanation, resolution, or coherency in the final episode...
overall 6/10

1. so many questions were left unanswered -1
2. lots of asspulls HOW TF DID SHE CAME BACK TO LIFE? -1
3. filler episode in a 1 cour show -1
4. no kiss -1
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:01 PM

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Liked the episode & the show~
but I'm a little confused... how did she come back tho
Well hopefully there is gonna be another season ...?
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:03 PM

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The ending made me say "huh." I thought the ending was going for a symbolic ending about Mirai existing in spirit but it turns out she physically came back. Or another thought of her coming back is she came out of Aki body since Kyoukai no Kanata and Aki are the same being. Mirai absorbing the Kyoukai no Kanata from episode 10 means they are also the same being. So essential Aki and Mirai are one. Okay this is hurting my mind.


It was such a cheap emotional blackmail trick. First off - they already did the thing where she dies but then turns out to still be alive. They did it fucking last week! Second, just commit to one. If she survives, then have her survive. If she's dead, keep her dead. I hate that they tried to deliver both emotional beats just to trick you into thinking you actually care. Because you don't care. You don't.
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:05 PM

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Alright so I did love KnK despite everything. The first half of the series, until episode six was not that great. It kept bouncing between repetitive fetish humour (which was funny the first couple of times but when it keeps happening it's not so funny) and serious stuff and was unable to bounce it. They really should have kept the humour to a minimum if they wanted this to be a more serious show but they didn't. The pacing was also horrible, as seen in episode seven, Sakura reconciles with Mirai way too quickly and they are like best friends by the next episode. I don't even want to count episode six as a part of the series; wow what a waste, it could have been an OVA! Honestly, how did it strike them as a good idea to do this while the series was airing? Very stupid move on their part if you ask me. Episode five didn't give the series a direction either; it may as well have been another OVA, as it did develop Mitsuki a little but I mean. It didn't exactly add to the series. Mitsuki is still a very flat character.

In any case, the series did pick up by episode seven (despite that episode's horrible pacing) quite a bit, and became a lot better. And now we have an ending that was fine up until Mirai came back to life via asspull, or so it seems. It is possible that Akkey brought her to life by crying on the ring, like others have mentioned but it's not very clear as to how it happened; there are absolutely no explanations and well, it's extremely confusing.

6/10 the series could have been way better than this and I know it. If pacing problems and the balance between humour and serious stuff were fixed then the first half would have been a lot better than how it is now. Well, what can you say, really?

"To be continued." tho. Will there be a continuation? If there is I really hope they answer a lot of questions, about Miroku, who Yayoi is, who Akkey's father is, what happened between Akkey and Hiroomi in the past, etcetc (I mean I can guess based on the given info, but it'd be great if they clarified instead of leaving me in the dark here).
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:09 PM

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This episode was really good. I started tearing up when she vanished. I was hoping that she would return and she did. Great anime overall.
 
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:10 PM
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everything before this episode is actually very enjoyable to watch but this last episode is weird and anti-climatic, and left so many unanswered questions, and made me drop the rating of this entire series
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:18 PM

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IMO this was quite disappointing :S
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:18 PM

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Rushed as fuck. Stick to SOL KyoAni.

6/10
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:19 PM

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Okay series, but the ending confused me like how did she come back? Was she liked wished back or something?

6/10 couldn't really get into the story or characters Free! was way better with both plot and characters.

Also there will probably not be a second season since the estimated Bluray/DVD sales are piss poor for KyoAni series.
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Dec 18, 2013 1:22 PM

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-Sigh- I really wanted to like this show. If it wasn't for the amazing animation and fight scenes, this series would have a way lower score. At the end, I found myself generally not caring. They really should have explained a lot more before these final episodes and not wasted them on pointless episodes. I am especially mad about Sakura's episode which really should have been expanded upon. Mirai should have stayed dead. My opinion is basically summed up in Stark700's review.
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Dec 18, 2013 1:33 PM

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Free was much better than this and this is coming from a guy.
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:39 PM

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This show was unpleasent till the truly end.
Akihito's mom was such a key character, this show would miss 1 or 2 doujins without her appearance.
The villain was so interesting that I fell asleep while he was fighting, that's why he just died honorably like a true side-useless character.

What can I say, Sassuga KyoAni. 6/10
I don't even know why this is ranked so high.
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:42 PM

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Actually, I liked the ending. I think Akkey's mom has something to do with Mirai's revival, maybe she knew she would come back to the real world if Akihito would beat the KnK. Overall, it was pleasant to see Akkey back with Mirai after fighting so hard and losing her once more. I hope there is a S2 and hopefully then we can solve all the holes KnK has left. 7/10.
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:45 PM
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really im really sad... halfway through the episode i had to go to dinner, and afterwards i had to work with math, later when i picked up, i was interrupted twice.. so it didn't have that much of an inpact.. :( but anyway, when mirai sopposingly died, i was ready to give it 10/10 but yet it ends up with a 9/10, then some might say, dont you like happy endings? and i say yes i can't live without them, but it makes it feel kinda rushed, i donno. but anyway great episode, i might rewatch it again, and who knows, possibly 10.
actaully when i think about it, i dont think it could've got a 10 in any case, but what ever. you get the point ^_^
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Dec 18, 2013 1:46 PM

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Looked good but not a strong ending. Feels were touched but was soon reduced to nothing. Still eenjoyed it overall.
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:49 PM

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Wow,this rushed episode...

I tried to look at KnK as mediocre show due to it's visuals but nope,I just can't.Tokyo Ravens & Strike the Blood,whom I consider to be in that category,are way more entertaining.The weakest part of KnK were definitely it's 2 main characters,especially Akihito,and the fact that there was so much focus on them didn't help.I found the Nase family more interesting so perhaps if they were the focus then maybe,just maybe this show could've been better.

At any rate,as mean as it sounds,I regret wasting my time on this & wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:51 PM

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Disappointed .

Emotions over logic ? I'm fine with that somehow , but overdoing it ? Nope , not at all . What was the point of removing the Yomu from Akkihito ? That was an extremely bad development for the plot . What happened to that guy who fought with Izumi (Forgot his name XD) , also , I didn't like the defeat of Kyokai no Kanata , I mean , defeating it with words ? Screw that .

7/10 for the show .
 
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:58 PM
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lamo that was so bad lol i was going to give it a 2 at first but mirai reviving with no logical reason and all that rushed bullshit just dropped it down to 1
 
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:58 PM

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I wished this episode was good enough to make me keep the score at 8/10 but the ending ruined that. I'm also disappointed that there is no kiss scene, that alone might have bumped my score.

Overall I enjoyed the animation, OST/OP/ED, the later humor and above all Ayaka and her godly VA. 7/10.
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:59 PM

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7/10 it was an enjoyable series and the animation was orgasmic, but the story was definitely lacking. Especially towards the end. Main character died came back, died came back, died came back over and over again and it was getting a bit silly.
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Dec 18, 2013 2:08 PM

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Normally, I would give animes I've enjoyed so much to the extent in which I get emotional but this left me to say nothing about it, it basically left me speechless. Such an amazing episode and anime, absolutely loved it to the biter end <3
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Dec 18, 2013 2:18 PM

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It was goood, I thought that there was gonna be one more epsiode. It scared me when Mirai disappeared but I'd still like to know how she appeared on the roof. Now I need a new anime to watch on Wednesdays
 
Dec 18, 2013 2:21 PM

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Now that the series is over, here's a rough breakdown of what is in the LN and what they changed for the adaptation.

Episode 1: Almost everything is from the light novel up until after school. However, instead of Mirai chasing after Akihito and trying to kill him, he invites her into the clubroom instead and they resolve things peacefully (Mirai gave up on trying to kill him). They don't go to Mirai's apartment to kill a youmu. Although the events are roughly the same, Mirai's character has been changed for the anime.

Episode 2: This episode roughly follows the Light Novel structure, except Mirai doesn't go with Akihito to see Ayaka, he goes by himself. Ayaka is not a youmu, she's a Youmu Hunter that's tried to kill Akihito before. The rooftop scene with Hiromi is identical except that it's missing a flashback to where Hiromi tried to kill Akihito. Ai is an anime original character.

Episode 3: The only scene that's used from the LN is the clubroom scene. Sakura is an anime original character.

Episode 4: Hollow Shadow fight is adapted from the end of the first volume, although a lot of the details and motivations have been altered for the anime.

Episode 5: The Mirai joining the club scene is from the LN, although chronologically it should have occured right after the club scene in episode 3. I don't know if the Mirai/Mitsuki scene + lantern festival is anime original or not, it could be something from the untranslated parts of the first volume or even the 2nd volume.

Episode 6: Completely anime original

Episode 7-12: Pretty much completely anime original, although the Kyoukai no Kanata is pretty much just a copy of the Hollow Shadow from the LN. They basically took the Hollow Shadow and split it into the first Hollow Shadow that's killed in episode 4 and then the Kyoukai no Kanata which takes up the 2nd half of the show. The Youmu Hunter Society is a major antagonist in the first volume, but their story has pretty much been cut from the anime. I don't know if Miroku is a real character or not, since that part of the LN has not been translated, but conflict between the Youmu Hunter Society and Nase family play out pretty differently. Akihito's mom does come in at the last moment to save the day though.
 
Dec 18, 2013 2:31 PM
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'I love when you wear your glasses'....it was Akihito saying he loves mirai?
 
Dec 18, 2013 2:42 PM

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Wow,this rushed episode...

I tried to look at KnK as mediocre show due to it's visuals but nope,I just can't.Tokyo Ravens & Strike the Blood,whom I consider to be in that category,are way more entertaining.The weakest part of KnK were definitely it's 2 main characters,especially Akihito,and the fact that there was so much focus on them didn't help.I found the Nase family more interesting so perhaps if they were the focus then maybe,just maybe this show could've been better.

At any rate,as mean as it sounds,I regret wasting my time on this & wouldn't recommend it to anyone.


To deal more with the Nase family would mean having to flesh out the politics of the spirit society and do some serious world building which the show clearly does not have time for and to be honest do you really want to have a writer that could barely manage handling it's two goofy main characters development when they got the most focus of anyone handling something that calls for a certain level of complexity in writing ala Gasaraki to pull an example of a mystic high status family in an anime off the top of my head.
 
Dec 18, 2013 2:49 PM
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'I love when you wear your glasses'....it was Akihito saying he loves mirai?


If that wasn't then "Would you do me the honor of wearing this glasses " with all the proposal allusion phrasing would have been.
 
 
Dec 18, 2013 2:53 PM

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MgMaster said:
Wow,this rushed episode...

I tried to look at KnK as mediocre show due to it's visuals but nope,I just can't.Tokyo Ravens & Strike the Blood,whom I consider to be in that category,are way more entertaining.The weakest part of KnK were definitely it's 2 main characters,especially Akihito,and the fact that there was so much focus on them didn't help.I found the Nase family more interesting so perhaps if they were the focus then maybe,just maybe this show could've been better.

At any rate,as mean as it sounds,I regret wasting my time on this & wouldn't recommend it to anyone.


To deal more with the Nase family would mean having to flesh out the politics of the spirit society and do some serious world building which the show clearly does not have time for and to be honest do you really want to have a writer that could barely manage handling it's two goofy main characters development when they got the most focus of anyone handling something that calls for a certain level of complexity in writing ala Gasaraki to pull an example of a mystic high status family in an anime off the top of my head.


It's a shame because the guy in charge of series composition also did Steins;Gate was amazing. However Hanada Jukki was also in charge of Campione!, and Chuu2byou which were pretty mediocre so I'm not very surprised tbh. If this show had a better writer who knew how to handle time then I'm fairly sure it would have been so much better.
 
Dec 18, 2013 2:53 PM

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this show was a solid 8 but the last few episodes left me thinking wtf, especially since she supposedly died, then was alive from his youmu self, then died again, and then she's alive once again at the end?? ?? ? ? wtf.

6/10 for me.
 
Dec 18, 2013 2:53 PM

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Last part was done pretty well, but then they had to revive her which kind of made me go "wtf" because I'm confused why she's back. I liked the bgm that was being played in the last few scenes. Daisy still remains as my top ED of this season.

I felt that this show was trying to be too serious but then forced some comedy in which ruined the mood majorly. Like, Akihito's mother for instance of Hiromi's siscon.

Nevertheless, decent series, but just lacks in a lot - forgettable characters and plot that was a bit rushed and not executed well enough. However, animation was done tremendously well and it had its moments here and there. 6/10

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Dec 18, 2013 2:54 PM
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The ending was lame considering the pacing was getting interesting. And it was too cliché/forced.
Didn't like Mirai, was okay with the other characters, not really going to miss it but might watch a second season because of the seiyuu.

The animation was flawless though, but it wasn't enough.
 
Dec 18, 2013 2:55 PM

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Very let down by this show. Never got around to caring about a single character, especially when they keep using a running gag ("How unpleasant", sis-con and secret bro-con, megane-con etc etc) to define them. Fighting looked nice but mostly felt like a bunch of meaningless pap that was there there for the sake of it, too flashy-swingy swords and not creative enough.

It's a sad state of affairs for the story when the filler idol episode was one of the most entertaining and memorable moments of series, as we are left a bunch of plot holes and unanswered questions that could have been interesting but are thrown aside. Finally, the ending couldn't have been more predictable. Choose your source material more wisely, KyoAn. 5/10 for the promising beginning, animation and episode 6. Overall, pretty damn forgettable.
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Dec 18, 2013 3:07 PM

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uhh, what? That was it? Hm, 7/10.
 
 
Dec 18, 2013 3:09 PM

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The series had mad potential at first, but ruined it with the barely non-existent character development for romance or meaningless confrontations between characters rather then just focusing on the plot itself.

They seriously could've gone way more into depth about the Nase family and the Spirit World Warriors. They control everything that's affiliated with youmu and could've brought out some new warriors from there to create huge conflict for the Nase family rather just throwing all the hard tasks to Izumi

Fujima, Miroku was at least a bit interesting considering he gave up his humanity to greater power. They also should've dived into that as well. Miroku couldn't have just been the only one with also instead of just humanoid friendly youmu, they should've introduced PURE humanoid youmu that are insanely hostile to spirit world warriors. It just seems like the Spirit World Warriors have it to easy and the lack of capabilities a few of them performed during the calm was pretty weak. Could've actually made a them a threat and surprise the watchers with them, but they didn't.

Mirai coming back was also predictable and didn't feel even depressed or anything during Mirai's " temporary departure."

Anyways, I don't want to go into full detail about this since I'm lazy, but overall it's another "meh" anime that was hyped up again
 
Dec 18, 2013 3:18 PM
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artesox said:
Nimhe said:
'I love when you wear your glasses'....it was Akihito saying he loves mirai?


If that wasn't then "Would you do me the honor of wearing this glasses " with all the proposal allusion phrasing would have been.


What do you mean? Mirai said that she loves him, but him didn't say anything....I don't understand that
 
 
Dec 18, 2013 3:19 PM

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Laciie said:
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MgMaster said:
Wow,this rushed episode...

I tried to look at KnK as mediocre show due to it's visuals but nope,I just can't.Tokyo Ravens & Strike the Blood,whom I consider to be in that category,are way more entertaining.The weakest part of KnK were definitely it's 2 main characters,especially Akihito,and the fact that there was so much focus on them didn't help.I found the Nase family more interesting so perhaps if they were the focus then maybe,just maybe this show could've been better.

At any rate,as mean as it sounds,I regret wasting my time on this & wouldn't recommend it to anyone.


To deal more with the Nase family would mean having to flesh out the politics of the spirit society and do some serious world building which the show clearly does not have time for and to be honest do you really want to have a writer that could barely manage handling it's two goofy main characters development when they got the most focus of anyone handling something that calls for a certain level of complexity in writing ala Gasaraki to pull an example of a mystic high status family in an anime off the top of my head.


It's a shame because the guy in charge of series composition also did Steins;Gate was amazing. However Hanada Jukki was also in charge of Campione!, and Chuu2byou which were pretty mediocre so I'm not very surprised tbh. If this show had a better writer who knew how to handle time then I'm fairly sure it would have been so much better.


I found Chuu2byou way more entertaining than KnK to be honest.For one thing,I liked both the main & supporting cast much more than the ones here.Also,that show didn't seem to try so hard to be funny or dramatic(towards it's end) and felt more natural as a result.
 
Dec 18, 2013 3:25 PM

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Well that's the end. Okay series just wish most of the episodes were action pack like this one. Felt like the beauty of the animation was lost because there was not a lot of action.

5/10

Mirai should have stayed dead, or not died at all.
 
Dec 18, 2013 3:30 PM

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I really liked this episode and was ready to give this an 8, but Mirai returning with no rhyme or reason just seems halfhearted. I think it would have left an even greater impact if Mirai used up the last of her energy to kiss Akihito and finally shattered during the kiss, leaving behind the ring. The only thing I can think of is that the ring had something to do with her coming back, since it seemed to be an important aspect of controlling her powers.

I really can't help but take deep sighs when a series feels compelled to kill off an MC at the end and make it tear jerking, but then bring that person back and put all of that emotional build up to waste. I don't even think it would have bothered me if a season 2 brought her back with some explanation dealing with Beyond the Boundary early on, but doing all of that within 8 minutes was just so disappointing.

Overall I found this series to be fascinating, the fights were so beautifully executed and watching all of that magic at work was incredibly satisfying. I felt like the majority of the series dragged out and really wasn't able to start enjoying it to its fullest extent until episode 9ish. Again I really wanted to say this was a solid 8, but that random revival of Mirai just felt like a cheap attempt and keeping otaku from killing themselves out of sorrow. 7/10, it worked hard for it. And sorry Akihito, but I prefer Mirai without her glasses, she looks great megane-less.
 
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Despite the story having left very open points was certainly the best anime of the season
exciting from beginning to end
I had tightness in the chest when I clicked 'set as completed'
Mirai was too kawaii without the glasses
both the soundtrack of the anime, as the cuts of scenes are wonderful
I was curious to read the novel
then .. ended
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Apesar da historia ter deixado muito pontos em aberto, com certeza foi o melhor anime da temporada
emocionante do começo ao fim
tive até um aperto no peito quando cliquei em 'set as completed'
Mirai ficou kawaii demais sem os óculos
tanto a trilha sonora do anime, quanto os cortes de cenas sao maravilhosos
fiquei curioso para ler a novel
então .. terminou
 
 
Dec 18, 2013 3:36 PM

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Is Akihito a god now? The lack of any explanation is unpleasant.
 
Dec 18, 2013 3:40 PM

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>Still expecting a good plot from a KyoAni show that isn't Free

5/10, because it was just too irrelevant, boring and mundane to be anything else. It's so lame it hurts. Also, fuck this last episode: Plot, characters, world-building, coherency ans every other aspect I can think of that isn't visuals was a big letdown.
Stone Ocean adaption when?
 
Dec 18, 2013 3:47 PM

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Pretty bad last episode for me. Silly plot with the storyline all over the place. I think it tried to be too many things comedy, drama fantasy etc.. and it ended up as a bit of a mess on the floor. May have been better if it had been filled out to 24 episodes. I did like the characters and it had some fantastic art but KyoAni must do better next time.

Overall 6/10.
 
Dec 18, 2013 3:59 PM

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I guess Akihito was just realized that he could keep the ring from that dimension, why not Mirai too?

KnK absorbed Mirai, then KnK is back to Akihito. Akihito could keep Mirai's ring from "KnK dimension" and brought it to real dimension. And Akihito suddenly know how he could summon Mirai out from his KnK's side.

Just guessing.
I like the ending when Mirai is dead, though. More realistic.
Waiting for next week anime gives me another reason to live.
 
Dec 18, 2013 4:01 PM

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Mirai is adorable as fuck...with and without glasses.

Why KyoAni? Make me cry a bit and then bring her back with no explanation whatsoever?

I REALLY hope they explain, because that was just disappointing.

The epilogue with Akihito coping without her was nice and kinda sad. But noooo, she just had to come back somehow.

It would have been nice if Akkey woke up and realized he only dreamt Mirai back, and not this half-assed ending. But I did think the show entertaining. 7/10.
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forced happy ending! but all in all it was good and fun to watch..you feel the feels when they want you to feel it and a good action scenes too!! I knew it! there's no way in the anime world can a bespectacled beauty can just die and disappear like that!! that would be unpleasant!.

7/10
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Dec 18, 2013 4:19 PM
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* RIP Kuriyama Mi ... Wait, she is alive and without glasses, looks much better.

Excellent series, the final episode was excellent.

* RIP Kyoukai no Kanata (TV) *
 
Dec 18, 2013 4:23 PM

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I'm glad Mirai is alive and well, but I need some explanations about Izumi and Akihito. Hopefully, a 2nd season will give me those. 8/10

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Although it had poor characterization, unnecessary dialogues, misplaced jokes and an okay plot, it was an enjoyable ride through the end
Not the best Kyoani can do and probably the weakest Kyoani show, but at least they tried something new regardless of the result
Reading from the previous pages, maybe they should have stick with the LN's plot
6.5/10
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Wow, well this was kind of....shit o.O

really kyoani...12 episode series and just 3 good episodes? wow
 
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