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Dec 18, 2013 11:22 AM

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Ok.... so that ending had some great moments. but NONE of them made any sense. This show left wayyyy too many unanswered questions, plotholes, and other nonsense. And how the hell did Mirai come back to life? This reminds me of Guilty Crowns ending because its really cool looking and emotional, but if you even slightly try turning your brain on, you realize it makes absolutely no sense as too WHY all of this is happening. Honestly, the kind of mistakes this show made aren't even the type that a 2nd season could resolve. The show wasn't bad, but it was wildly inconsistent in its storytelling. There was a stretch where I thought the show had picked itself up and made a real argument for being a great show, but for every one of these moments, there was an overwhelming flaw in the storytelling. I gave this episode a 3 because it did have its moments, but really all they had to do to get a 5 from me is address what the hell was up with the Spirit World Warrior dude, NOT bring Mirai back to life, have a better resolution with Kyoukai no Kanata instead of just putting it back in Aki, and not giving us more questions than answers. I really hope KyoAni doesn't try a season 2 with this, even though it wasn't bad, I expect more out of them for sure.
 
 
Dec 18, 2013 11:26 AM

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On the one hand its nice to see more people coming around to my point of view this week with this lacklustre finale but at the same time its like what did people expect. Anyway I knew it was going to be weak but at least I finally felt the direction of the fights in the last little while. Nowhere near enough to get the series out of the 4/10 category it found itself in by the halfway point but at least it didn't sink much lower. Just really weak cast, lack of development for much of anything and lame gag comedy killed this show as a fantasy action series.
 
Dec 18, 2013 11:29 AM
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I just want to know why they couldn't conclude this series solidly without trying to stuff everything into the last few minutes. Honestly, I liked the series until it came down to this. Eff. We won't even see a continuation if it gets one until a few seasons from now.
 
Dec 18, 2013 11:32 AM

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A big "bleh" was all I was thinking while watching this final episode. Overall the action was decent and somewhat entertaining, the art is nice, the jokes got overused and were unpleasant most of the time, really weak and inconclusive "ending". It started off okay but then went downhill at the second half.
 
Dec 18, 2013 11:39 AM

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Episodes 10 and 11 were brilliant but I thought the ending was pretty blah, and overall this show had way more dull moments than interesting ones. Unfortunately I continue to be underwhelmed by KyoAni. I had hope for this show because it is more within my sphere of interest, but it only delivered in small bits and pieces.
 
Dec 18, 2013 11:40 AM

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Ohh...another anime ended.I fell empty now :( , but I stll love that I see it to the end :) .
 
Dec 18, 2013 11:44 AM

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They are quite a lot of stuff I don't really get here or would like to know...
How Mirai came back... How KnK came back to Akihito so what was the point of taking it out... Where is izumi... hoe is Akihito's father... and stuffs...
 
Dec 18, 2013 11:46 AM

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This was a good episode to end the series on. It had a feeling of having a nice epilogue, but at the same time I didn't want it to end... It was a very enjoyable show that got better as it went on, and the last few episodes were pretty awesome!

I'm going to miss "Fuyukai Desu" though...

I'll give this an 8/10 I think...
 
Dec 18, 2013 11:46 AM

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Well that's the end of that, Was quite enjoyable but could've been better if there was romance in this series, Oh well.

8/10
 
 
Dec 18, 2013 11:46 AM

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Well that ending was dumb.

>Who is his mother, wtf was that
>What happened to the bad guy
>Well that was easy to defeat kyoukai no kanata
>How did Mirai get her body back?
>What was the point of having kyoukai no kanata removed from his body...........

7/10 for the show
 
Dec 18, 2013 11:46 AM
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Well, before going to bed I'm going to leave this post here from another discussion going on:

The KnK and Akkey have always had some special link which has yet to be explained because Yayoi just fled instead of explaining it.

He's the only one who can harbor the KnK and not explode. So Mirai disappeared because her body couldn't contain it, but the KnK still uses her body as a container (that's why it bleeds all that blood when she stabs it)

The KnK didn't intend to disappear, it intended to cross over into the real world since that's what it does but Mirai was killing it from the inside.

The KnK created an isolated environment so it could throw armies of youmu and lightning at Mirai, it needed to kill her.

Mirai is part of the KnK during episode 10 so she has some control of it. For example, her black glasses are also fake.

Mirai lost her physical body and only existed in the KnK so when the KnK went back to Akkey, her body disappeared with it.

This last one is up to debate, but notice how the last point is that Mirai becomes part of the KnK and creates a fake Akkey, and Akkey becomes the KnK again and we have a new Mirai. Alternatively, Yayoi did something and we'll find out in the OVA.

The time between the final fight and the final scene looks like a month or two because it went from Autumn to Winter, that's a lot of time.
 
Dec 18, 2013 11:49 AM

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Mirai coming back that way left me zoned out for a moment, like WTF did just happen? Although, the series were good enough for me to watch it till the very end and I actually enjoyed it.
The only downside was the character development, those unexplained revelations, plotholes and wasted potential, but I can overlook them.
Actually, I find this better than a lot of other (pointless) anime out there, tbh.
 
 
Dec 18, 2013 11:52 AM
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Overall, I liked this series, but I have to admit, it probably would have been better if Mirai had stayed dead. I was actually pretty fond of that epilogue before then. I think they were concerned about not getting a second season, and they tried to give it a happy ending, even though they didn't have time to explain what happened.
 
Dec 18, 2013 12:14 PM

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I found this series to be decent, and compared to KyoAni's other works, it's not that great. The ending and even the anime as a whole felt like it was missing some important aspects to it such as character development. Perhaps in the future we'll get a season 2 that will improve on the faults of this anime and answer all the questions left unanswered.
 
Dec 18, 2013 12:20 PM

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Damn this was pretty good until the end.

First off it felt anticlimatic, KnK left Akkey's body only to be absorbed again after a few puches?

Another thing was the whole Yomu-inside-Izumi and juice box guy there was absolutely no build up for that and it was just thrown out there :/

Finally the whole thing with Mirai, how did she come back? I've heard through the comments that Akkey used KnK's power to do it, but couldn't they have explained it in the anime?

This whole finale while visually stunning left me with to many questions so I'm going to have to give it a 5 or 6. At least I enjoyed watching it...
 
Dec 18, 2013 12:22 PM

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This serie was kinda nice to watch, but the ending was so cliché...
the part when Mirai broke and vanished was really good but she should have stayed dead...
It kinda lost its sharm when she came back to life:S
 
Dec 18, 2013 12:24 PM

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I reeeeeally wish they had taken their time with the more serious/actiony parts of the anime because the SOL stuff was just a huge waste of time. They should have left that for other anime. With this episode as a finale, my rating will probably go down. Ugh. They seriously could have done so much better, but it was still really enjoyable if I put my critical thoughts aside. I had fun watching. Unlike a lot of people, I did tear up when Mirai was disappearing, but it was ruined by the ending. I do think a season 2 would improve it because it could fill in all the plot holes--but it still wouldn't fix the flaws of this season.
 
Dec 18, 2013 12:24 PM

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I liked where the ending was going, but I knew it was too good to be true.
How unpleasant.

Certainly the studio's most ambitious show as of late, in terms of premise and scene composition. I also thought the fade-ins were always well done. However, in combination with the typical KyoAni humor overstaying its welcome and just feeling unnecessary towards the end, all of that doesn't amount to much more than wasted potential. 5/10
 
Dec 18, 2013 12:29 PM

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Wow this was one hell of a ride.
Season 2?
 
 
Dec 18, 2013 12:40 PM

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Hopefully gets second season, this really needs it.
 
Dec 18, 2013 12:41 PM
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Well... Aki's mom did say "To be continued" before jumping.
Maybe we will get some more answers in the OVA, maybe even a S2.
 
Dec 18, 2013 12:44 PM

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Da hell was that ?
 
Dec 18, 2013 12:48 PM

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rodac said:
I guess Kyoami is such a wonderful producer of anime that they don't feel the need to provide us with much in the way of explanation, resolution, or coherency in the final episode...
overall 6/10

1. so many questions were left unanswered -1
2. lots of asspulls HOW TF DID SHE CAME BACK TO LIFE? -1
3. filler episode in a 1 cour show -1
4. no kiss -1
 
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:01 PM

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Liked the episode & the show~
but I'm a little confused... how did she come back tho
Well hopefully there is gonna be another season ...?
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:03 PM

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The ending made me say "huh." I thought the ending was going for a symbolic ending about Mirai existing in spirit but it turns out she physically came back. Or another thought of her coming back is she came out of Aki body since Kyoukai no Kanata and Aki are the same being. Mirai absorbing the Kyoukai no Kanata from episode 10 means they are also the same being. So essential Aki and Mirai are one. Okay this is hurting my mind.


It was such a cheap emotional blackmail trick. First off - they already did the thing where she dies but then turns out to still be alive. They did it fucking last week! Second, just commit to one. If she survives, then have her survive. If she's dead, keep her dead. I hate that they tried to deliver both emotional beats just to trick you into thinking you actually care. Because you don't care. You don't.
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:05 PM

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Alright so I did love KnK despite everything. The first half of the series, until episode six was not that great. It kept bouncing between repetitive fetish humour (which was funny the first couple of times but when it keeps happening it's not so funny) and serious stuff and was unable to bounce it. They really should have kept the humour to a minimum if they wanted this to be a more serious show but they didn't. The pacing was also horrible, as seen in episode seven, Sakura reconciles with Mirai way too quickly and they are like best friends by the next episode. I don't even want to count episode six as a part of the series; wow what a waste, it could have been an OVA! Honestly, how did it strike them as a good idea to do this while the series was airing? Very stupid move on their part if you ask me. Episode five didn't give the series a direction either; it may as well have been another OVA, as it did develop Mitsuki a little but I mean. It didn't exactly add to the series. Mitsuki is still a very flat character.

In any case, the series did pick up by episode seven (despite that episode's horrible pacing) quite a bit, and became a lot better. And now we have an ending that was fine up until Mirai came back to life via asspull, or so it seems. It is possible that Akkey brought her to life by crying on the ring, like others have mentioned but it's not very clear as to how it happened; there are absolutely no explanations and well, it's extremely confusing.

6/10 the series could have been way better than this and I know it. If pacing problems and the balance between humour and serious stuff were fixed then the first half would have been a lot better than how it is now. Well, what can you say, really?

"To be continued." tho. Will there be a continuation? If there is I really hope they answer a lot of questions, about Miroku, who Yayoi is, who Akkey's father is, what happened between Akkey and Hiroomi in the past, etcetc (I mean I can guess based on the given info, but it'd be great if they clarified instead of leaving me in the dark here).
 
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:09 PM

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This episode was really good. I started tearing up when she vanished. I was hoping that she would return and she did. Great anime overall.
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:10 PM
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everything before this episode is actually very enjoyable to watch but this last episode is weird and anti-climatic, and left so many unanswered questions, and made me drop the rating of this entire series
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:18 PM

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IMO this was quite disappointing :S
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:18 PM

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Rushed as fuck. Stick to SOL KyoAni.

6/10
 
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:19 PM

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Okay series, but the ending confused me like how did she come back? Was she liked wished back or something?

6/10 couldn't really get into the story or characters Free! was way better with both plot and characters.

Also there will probably not be a second season since the estimated Bluray/DVD sales are piss poor for KyoAni series.
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Dec 18, 2013 1:22 PM

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-Sigh- I really wanted to like this show. If it wasn't for the amazing animation and fight scenes, this series would have a way lower score. At the end, I found myself generally not caring. They really should have explained a lot more before these final episodes and not wasted them on pointless episodes. I am especially mad about Sakura's episode which really should have been expanded upon. Mirai should have stayed dead. My opinion is basically summed up in Stark700's review.
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Dec 18, 2013 1:33 PM

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Free was much better than this and this is coming from a guy.
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:39 PM

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This show was unpleasent till the truly end.
Akihito's mom was such a key character, this show would miss 1 or 2 doujins without her appearance.
The villain was so interesting that I fell asleep while he was fighting, that's why he just died honorably like a true side-useless character.

What can I say, Sassuga KyoAni. 6/10
I don't even know why this is ranked so high.
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:42 PM

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Actually, I liked the ending. I think Akkey's mom has something to do with Mirai's revival, maybe she knew she would come back to the real world if Akihito would beat the KnK. Overall, it was pleasant to see Akkey back with Mirai after fighting so hard and losing her once more. I hope there is a S2 and hopefully then we can solve all the holes KnK has left. 7/10.
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:45 PM
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really im really sad... halfway through the episode i had to go to dinner, and afterwards i had to work with math, later when i picked up, i was interrupted twice.. so it didn't have that much of an inpact.. :( but anyway, when mirai sopposingly died, i was ready to give it 10/10 but yet it ends up with a 9/10, then some might say, dont you like happy endings? and i say yes i can't live without them, but it makes it feel kinda rushed, i donno. but anyway great episode, i might rewatch it again, and who knows, possibly 10.
actaully when i think about it, i dont think it could've got a 10 in any case, but what ever. you get the point ^_^
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Dec 18, 2013 1:46 PM

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Looked good but not a strong ending. Feels were touched but was soon reduced to nothing. Still eenjoyed it overall.
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:49 PM

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Wow,this rushed episode...

I tried to look at KnK as mediocre show due to it's visuals but nope,I just can't.Tokyo Ravens & Strike the Blood,whom I consider to be in that category,are way more entertaining.The weakest part of KnK were definitely it's 2 main characters,especially Akihito,and the fact that there was so much focus on them didn't help.I found the Nase family more interesting so perhaps if they were the focus then maybe,just maybe this show could've been better.

At any rate,as mean as it sounds,I regret wasting my time on this & wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:51 PM

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Disappointed .

Emotions over logic ? I'm fine with that somehow , but overdoing it ? Nope , not at all . What was the point of removing the Yomu from Akkihito ? That was an extremely bad development for the plot . What happened to that guy who fought with Izumi (Forgot his name XD) , also , I didn't like the defeat of Kyokai no Kanata , I mean , defeating it with words ? Screw that .

7/10 for the show .
 
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:58 PM
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lamo that was so bad lol i was going to give it a 2 at first but mirai reviving with no logical reason and all that rushed bullshit just dropped it down to 1
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:58 PM

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I wished this episode was good enough to make me keep the score at 8/10 but the ending ruined that. I'm also disappointed that there is no kiss scene, that alone might have bumped my score.

Overall I enjoyed the animation, OST/OP/ED, the later humor and above all Ayaka and her godly VA. 7/10.
 
Dec 18, 2013 1:59 PM

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7/10 it was an enjoyable series and the animation was orgasmic, but the story was definitely lacking. Especially towards the end. Main character died came back, died came back, died came back over and over again and it was getting a bit silly.
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Dec 18, 2013 2:08 PM

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Normally, I would give animes I've enjoyed so much to the extent in which I get emotional but this left me to say nothing about it, it basically left me speechless. Such an amazing episode and anime, absolutely loved it to the biter end <3
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Dec 18, 2013 2:18 PM

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It was goood, I thought that there was gonna be one more epsiode. It scared me when Mirai disappeared but I'd still like to know how she appeared on the roof. Now I need a new anime to watch on Wednesdays
 
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Now that the series is over, here's a rough breakdown of what is in the LN and what they changed for the adaptation.

Episode 1: Almost everything is from the light novel up until after school. However, instead of Mirai chasing after Akihito and trying to kill him, he invites her into the clubroom instead and they resolve things peacefully (Mirai gave up on trying to kill him). They don't go to Mirai's apartment to kill a youmu. Although the events are roughly the same, Mirai's character has been changed for the anime.

Episode 2: This episode roughly follows the Light Novel structure, except Mirai doesn't go with Akihito to see Ayaka, he goes by himself. Ayaka is not a youmu, she's a Youmu Hunter that's tried to kill Akihito before. The rooftop scene with Hiromi is identical except that it's missing a flashback to where Hiromi tried to kill Akihito. Ai is an anime original character.

Episode 3: The only scene that's used from the LN is the clubroom scene. Sakura is an anime original character.

Episode 4: Hollow Shadow fight is adapted from the end of the first volume, although a lot of the details and motivations have been altered for the anime.

Episode 5: The Mirai joining the club scene is from the LN, although chronologically it should have occured right after the club scene in episode 3. I don't know if the Mirai/Mitsuki scene + lantern festival is anime original or not, it could be something from the untranslated parts of the first volume or even the 2nd volume.

Episode 6: Completely anime original

Episode 7-12: Pretty much completely anime original, although the Kyoukai no Kanata is pretty much just a copy of the Hollow Shadow from the LN. They basically took the Hollow Shadow and split it into the first Hollow Shadow that's killed in episode 4 and then the Kyoukai no Kanata which takes up the 2nd half of the show. The Youmu Hunter Society is a major antagonist in the first volume, but their story has pretty much been cut from the anime. I don't know if Miroku is a real character or not, since that part of the LN has not been translated, but conflict between the Youmu Hunter Society and Nase family play out pretty differently. Akihito's mom does come in at the last moment to save the day though.
 
Dec 18, 2013 2:31 PM
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'I love when you wear your glasses'....it was Akihito saying he loves mirai?
 
Dec 18, 2013 2:42 PM

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Wow,this rushed episode...

I tried to look at KnK as mediocre show due to it's visuals but nope,I just can't.Tokyo Ravens & Strike the Blood,whom I consider to be in that category,are way more entertaining.The weakest part of KnK were definitely it's 2 main characters,especially Akihito,and the fact that there was so much focus on them didn't help.I found the Nase family more interesting so perhaps if they were the focus then maybe,just maybe this show could've been better.

At any rate,as mean as it sounds,I regret wasting my time on this & wouldn't recommend it to anyone.


To deal more with the Nase family would mean having to flesh out the politics of the spirit society and do some serious world building which the show clearly does not have time for and to be honest do you really want to have a writer that could barely manage handling it's two goofy main characters development when they got the most focus of anyone handling something that calls for a certain level of complexity in writing ala Gasaraki to pull an example of a mystic high status family in an anime off the top of my head.
 
 
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Nimhe said:
'I love when you wear your glasses'....it was Akihito saying he loves mirai?


If that wasn't then "Would you do me the honor of wearing this glasses " with all the proposal allusion phrasing would have been.
 
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Kaioshin_Sama said:
MgMaster said:
Wow,this rushed episode...

I tried to look at KnK as mediocre show due to it's visuals but nope,I just can't.Tokyo Ravens & Strike the Blood,whom I consider to be in that category,are way more entertaining.The weakest part of KnK were definitely it's 2 main characters,especially Akihito,and the fact that there was so much focus on them didn't help.I found the Nase family more interesting so perhaps if they were the focus then maybe,just maybe this show could've been better.

At any rate,as mean as it sounds,I regret wasting my time on this & wouldn't recommend it to anyone.


To deal more with the Nase family would mean having to flesh out the politics of the spirit society and do some serious world building which the show clearly does not have time for and to be honest do you really want to have a writer that could barely manage handling it's two goofy main characters development when they got the most focus of anyone handling something that calls for a certain level of complexity in writing ala Gasaraki to pull an example of a mystic high status family in an anime off the top of my head.


It's a shame because the guy in charge of series composition also did Steins;Gate was amazing. However Hanada Jukki was also in charge of Campione!, and Chuu2byou which were pretty mediocre so I'm not very surprised tbh. If this show had a better writer who knew how to handle time then I'm fairly sure it would have been so much better.
 
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this show was a solid 8 but the last few episodes left me thinking wtf, especially since she supposedly died, then was alive from his youmu self, then died again, and then she's alive once again at the end?? ?? ? ? wtf.

6/10 for me.
 
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