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Dec 10, 2013 6:52 PM

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The ending doesn't make any sense to me... So to get him back into the time line Kurisu goes back to convince young Okabe to go and "kidnap" Mayuri, but didn't he already do that; it's why she's there in the first place right? He already kidnap her in the first time line, so Kurisu shouldn't even be there otherwise this wouldn't even be a memory in the first place.

Shouldn't the strong memory have been Kurisu admitting her feelings, or something about his friends and the lab?
 
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Dec 15, 2013 12:10 AM

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This is my theory.
I think that S;G is like a multiverse where all the world lines exist at the same time, except the beta ones that branched off due to specific events (d-mails).
In all of the other world lines, a younger Kurisu told Okabe about Houin Kyouma when they were at the train stop, so since Okabe was originally from another world line (call it anime beginning world line), he begins disappearing since there hasn't been anything impactful that happened to him in this Steins gate World line. So Okabe disappears causing Kurisu to make a time machine in the future to return her to 2005 where she takes his first kiss, which made it very memorable. The kiss being the impactful event seems to hold true since that is the first thing Okabe mentions after he returns.

The kiss resulted in stemming off into a second Steins gate world line, since the original one is where Okabe disappears. In this new world line, no time machine will be built since Okabe will not disappear. Too bad the movie did not show what happened to Suzuha when they traveled back to the future. Would have been helpful if they did show Suzuha disappearing into thin air again, which I will presume did happen.

How Okabe managed to return:
With Okabe in the R world line gaining the memories of the Okabe from the newly stemmed off second Steins Gate World line (using his Reading Steiner) that Kurisu created by kissing him in 2005, he remembers the memorable first kiss and manages to return to this second SG world line. This also seems very likely because before this new world line was created, Okabe does not seem to recall having his first kiss with Kurisu. It was only stated in the series that he had had his first kiss already, but if it was with Kurisu he would've mentioned it.


I think this connects pretty well with the original anime. Starts off in anime beginning world line with the metal upa and kurisu dying, bunch of dmails forward and back. Okabe returns to anime beginning world line. Fails first try (branches to another world line) and returns to the future. In that world line his future self sent him a video and he returns to branching point. By taking the metal upa and saving Kurisu he jumps to the SG world line where he disappears to R inbetween world line in a year because this SG world line has the same past as in the anime beginning world line (where young Kurisu talks to him). Kurisu makes time machine, travels back and kisses Okabe which created a new SG2 world line. Okabe gains memory of SG2 Okabe and pinpoints this new world line since he had a very different impactful event. Travels from R World Line to SG2 world line, and remains there forever, hopefully.

Well that's my take on the events of the series.
Although this theory has some flaws, I found it much more plausible than the single world theory that i was thinking about beforehand.
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Well, your question isn't exactly the clearest possible, but I try to answer. (According to my understanding.)

Kurisu went back in time to plant a powerful memory from Steins;Gate world line, to Okabe. This memory is the story of Hououin Kyouma. Now, you would wonder where Okabe came up with the idea of Hououin Kyouma in time travelling Kurisu's world line.

At first I thought it creates a grandfather paradox, but it actually might not be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox

Okabe probably originally simply came up with the idea of Hououin Kyouma on his own. However, the sad story that fits the way Okabe thinks (He was the one who came up with it in the original world line anyways) gives Okabe the needed kick to cool down his reading steiner, and return to Steins;Gate world line. + There was the kiss as an extra boost hehe

Here comes the only flaw I had with this movie. It doesn't explain everything clearly. What I said is most likely how it went, but maybe due to the limited length animation studio was given, they didn't have time to explain everything maybe as clear as I'd wanted.
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Hm, but if it was only in the single Steins;Gate world line, then with Kurisu changing the past, to alter the events of 2011, it will lead to Kurisu not making a time machine in the first place to travel back in time, which is a grandfather paradox.
 
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Basically the movie was trying to confuse the audience with theories and stuffs which the anime was trying so hard to explain, it makes less sense than the anime.

Like, the reason for what Okabe had been through, was the time machine which he first invented. And by inventing the first time machine that Okabe was able to move to the steins;gate world line.

And the movie tried to convince us that it was Kirusu who made the first time machine, with negates the whole story-wise.
_ If Okabe didn't make the first time machine, then there would be no loop and no steins;gate world line in the first place.
_ By building the first time machine, Kurisu was able to save Okabe. But I don't see the connection here in a world when both of them can build the first time machine. Unless her invention was based on what has been discovered by Okabe and SERN.
So, it feels like the circle of question with no true answer: which is existed first? Egg or chicken?

Aside from poor explanation and confusion, the movie was quite touching to watch. It has some teary moments and heavily focuses on drama than the anime.
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My interpretation:
ninja88880 is on the right track, but I have a few different ideas...

When kurisu goes back in time and tells Okabe about Hououin Kyouma, the effect is similar to the finale of the anime where

the change is so small that the world line doesn't seem to change, because from the outside everything happens as it would have anyways. I'll elaborate on this later.

Now, this is where it gets a bit tricky...
this Kurisu comes from the Steins;Gate world line, and because it's the SG Kurisu, Steins;Gate becomes what i like to call the 'destination' world line.
This final loop back in time connects the ealriest pre-time-machine moment
to the latest post-time-machine moment.

By connecting these two points in time together, Okabe's Steiner's Eye is able to see the correct world line it should be following.


In the fluctuation i mentioned earlier, the world lines are split ever so slightly.
The one with Kurisu points to steins;gate,
And the other (unmodified) points to the beginning of the anime.
This shouldn't happen, but Okabe's Steiner's Eye is observing, 'recording' the slight differences.

Because Steiner's Eye is involved, this memory of kurisu and the kiss is finally imprinted on the Okabe in R and he is able to find Steins;Gate again and hopefully remain.

Hope i'm describing this clearly enough! spoiler buttons for a bit of expansion!
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I think you got it pretty much right. ^

I was, for a while wondering how did Kurisu get in to the R world line. It was probably just Okabe, who was getting visible to Kurisu's Steins;Gate world line, however. (As Kurisu said: "I didn't come to you. You're trying to come back") Then Okabe gets up, and seems full of energy, probably meaning that his mind got back in "order" again, heh. And all the people came visible, bringing Okabe back.

And what I mean by getting visible, the reverse effect of how he earlier in the movie disappeared at times due to him getting those visions from the overloaded reading steiner. (His consciousness was many different world lines, so his consciousness started to crumble and he started to move to the R world line so that Steins;Gate world line could be in balance.)

Only thing mystery to me now, is the video he received to his phone. (In the very end) How did he receive that? Or was it just Okabe's consciousness getting in order again, and the video was a metaphor of a sort?

Anyways, this movie took some serious pondering to be understood well, for me at least. Unlike the series. Yesterday, I was a bit unsure whether I should give this 8 or 9, but now that all pieces came together for me (Pretty much, at least) I know I can give this 9 and be happy.
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After giving bit a of thought this is how I see it

The ending is kinda like the anime's ending so, in the anime after Okabe saved Kurisu and went back in the time machine it looked like it ceased to exist, but still making it able for the outcome to be what it is, so I think because of him having his Reading Steiner allowed him to be the observer so as long as he witness the change it allowed it.

That being said, he did mention that everyone might have some bit of Reading Steiner and that using the phone microwave might raise awareness of the changes, and Suzuha asked her to be the observer at some point if I remembered right, so I think because of her to using the phone microwave it allowed her to become an observer too, therefore allowing her to change the past (and not be affected by it by retaining memories like him) by telling him about Houin Kyouma and kissing him made his Reading Steiner realize that that world line is different from the rest, which allowed him to exist in it

I think in the original (or at least the world line he was from) he thought of the name himself and the kiss was a bluff maybe, but in this world line it was Kurisu that gave him the idea of that name and he did get a kiss.

I think Kurisu probably moved to another world line by doing changing the past, a one that had Okabe's Reading Steiner to realize the difference of that world line because of what happened in the past that did not happen in the others (and since she might be the observer of that one it was allowed).

And since she was from that world line, what she did there probably allowed him to move to the same world line as her because he might not have been able to do so himself because of moving too many times or that one is too big a change for him.

Well that was my interpretation of how the ending worked out, still quite confusing.
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Yowamushi said:
To me it seems like Kurisu went to the R-world line where she found Okabe and convinced him to come back to the steins;gate world line, but i really don't understand how she did that...but if she didn't go to the R-world line how did those people start showing up?


I think that Okabe was coming back to S;G worldline that's why he see Kurisu and then the other people start showing up.
 
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Yowamushi said:
To me it seems like Kurisu went to the R-world line where she found Okabe and convinced him to come back to the steins;gate world line, but i really don't understand how she did that...but if she didn't go to the R-world line how did those people start showing up?

No, it's the opposite. Thanks to Makise, Okabe remembered his first kiss and his existence in the main S;G worldline and so he came back.

Yowamushi said:
Fenaralan said:
I think that Okabe was coming back to S;G worldline that's why he see Kurisu and then the other people start showing up.
Well yeah, they both went back to the S;G world line from the R-world line. I know that Okabe was already there but how did Kurisu get there?

It's not that Makise is really in R-world line, it's Okabe that remembers her, that makes her look like an apparition. But in reality he's just coming back to S;G worldline.
 
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Okabe couldn't stay in Steins;Gate due to there being no consistency to his memory and events, thus his existence could not sustain in Steins;Gate.

Makise Kurisu, with the time machine, went back and took his first kiss, something that will be deeply ingrain into his hippocampus, as well as stating her role as his observer all along.

Thus creating a consistency for Okabe and Steins;Gate to co-exist.
"Return me my first kiss" - Okabe

Here's the consistency...

Okabe stated back in the TV series, that Kurisu didn't take his first kiss, and his first kiss wasn't particularly romantic. I always thought the "forced kiss" on Moeka was his first... It turn out that his first kiss was took by his "observer" Makise Kurisu all along, creating the consistency that he needed to remain in Steins;Gate



It's very wonderfully written.

Hope that helps.
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After reading all these replies, I`m still a bit lost. From what I understand is that the SG world line is actually NOT the original line, but simply one where Kurisu and Mayushi doesn`t die. Kurisu travels back to 2005 of the SG world line to the time where they`ve met before (I assume that this was mentioned somewhere in the anime... can`t remember). When she is in the past, we (the audience) see her as her current self, while in reality, she is actually in her younger form (otherwise, I can`t explain to myself the train stop scene)??? Instead of letting the events go on as it did in the past, she simply changes it by kissing him, therefore making it memorable enough for him to stay locked in the SG world line.

Hopefully this is correct, if anyone could confirm it???
 
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WatashiWaZero said:
After reading all these replies, I`m still a bit lost. From what I understand is that the SG world line is actually NOT the original line, but simply one where Kurisu and Mayushi doesn`t die. Kurisu travels back to 2005 of the SG world line to the time where they`ve met before (I assume that this was mentioned somewhere in the anime... can`t remember). When she is in the past, we (the audience) see her as her current self, while in reality, she is actually in her younger form (otherwise, I can`t explain to myself the train stop scene)??? Instead of letting the events go on as it did in the past, she simply changes it by kissing him, therefore making it memorable enough for him to stay locked in the SG world line.

Hopefully this is correct, if anyone could confirm it???


Errr... Yes, and no.

D-mail = Alter world line. (Crazy dangerous)
Time leap = stay within the same world line and nothing can be change. (Loop without change)
Time machine = within the exact same world line, but things can be change. (safe for the user, but can be very influential to the same world line)

Think of it this way! There are 3 characters.
13 years old Okabe of Steins;Gate *I'll refer to him as boy-Okarin
18 years old Kurisu of Steins;Gate *I'll refer to her as Kurisu
18 years old Okabe of original world line. * I'll refer to him as O-Okarin

O-Okarin suffer from the lack of consistency, thus poof and gone, as his memory and existence makes no sense to the physics of the world.

Kurisu, wanting O-Okarin back, so she travel back to 2005. However, even with the power of time machine, there are certain law that she can't break.

She wanders around wondering how to save O-Okarin, and she accidentally met boy-Okarin. Their meeting is one that would not have made sense, as Kurisu is not suppose to exist. Thus the world fix itself by "adjusting itslef" into a world line where girl Kurisu can meet boy-Okarin.

girl-kurisu, with Kurisu's knowledge and memory(she is Kurisu to begin with), created Kyouma, as well as sharing a kiss with him. Giving boy-Okarin a strong memory.

O-Okarin, stuck in R-world line meet Kurisu, and Kurisu stated that she's his observer. O-Okarin, having reading steiner, retain the memory of boy-Okarin. (consistency obtain)

"Give me back my first kiss"


Basically, O-Okarin, having been through crazy amount time travel, have received far too much memory for his existence to be accepted in Steins;Gate, as his existence is not one that would've been consistent with boy-Okari. Thus rejected. Kurisu alter boy-Okarin's memory, to provide O-Okarin the consistency to stay in Steins;Gate.
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So basically, what you`re saying is that them meeting at the train stop actually never happened, but because Kurisu forced it to happen, reality actually distorted (hence the quick scene flash depicting a younger Kurisu) itself in order to make it true?

My mind is officially blown....
 
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It is a time machine after all.

Not a time leap machine, so yes, the past can be change. Though she have to obey the rule of "Changing the present without changing the past".

That mean, she cannot make big changes, instead, she need to alter things a little bit and let butterfly effect take it's course. *

*This is the hard bit, as we saw what happen if she made the slightest of error, such as boy-Okarin end up dead. Not to mention if she alter it differently, she herself may not be able to return to Steins;Gate.

She could always repeat? No. If she keep repeating and failing, she might get overload with memories/de javu and not be able to stay in Steins;Gate herself. (Like O-Okarin)

Kinda like how Okabe saved her without changing what happened in the past, saving her from her father, while didn't change his past-self's perception.
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Well, with your explanation of how everything takes place in one world line (in this case, the SG line) and that reality made it so their meeting is true, then wouldn`t it incur a massive plot hole in the story? Seeing as how Kurisu can`t be in two places at once.

Oh whales, good movie regardless.
 
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Well, with your explanation of how everything takes place in one world line (in this case, the SG line) and that reality made it so their meeting is true, then wouldn`t it incur a massive plot hole in the story? Seeing as how Kurisu can`t be in two places at once.

Oh whales, good movie regardless.


Errr... no.

The story of steins;gate is about numerous world line, with memories obtained from each world line show up as some sort of De Javu.

Kurisu shouldn't be back there, that is true, but it occur in the world line where Kurisu is actually there, they merely obtained the memories of those who're in that specific world line.

In world A, x meet y.
In world B, x never met y.

Reading steiner(memories of other world) are like De Javu where x from world A see things that x in world B saw.

Kurisu went back in time to change things, which make slight changes the the world line. Now, think back to episode... I think 15, where Suzuha explain that world line are like ropes, made up of thousands of threads, but in the end, they all reach the same destination/conclusion.

By triggering changes to world line B, world line B, who is made out of 1000 different threads.

Lets say, Kurisu went to world line B-569, because she met kid-Okarin, the world line B adjust itself and change to world line B-006.

Same world line, same destination, small differences, but end up the same.

By triggering world line B-006, Okabe is able to obtain the memory of World line B-006, thus create a consistency.

make sense?
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WatashiWaZero said:
Well, with your explanation of how everything takes place in one world line (in this case, the SG line) and that reality made it so their meeting is true, then wouldn`t it incur a massive plot hole in the story? Seeing as how Kurisu can`t be in two places at once.

Oh whales, good movie regardless.


They're not in the same world line. They had to go to a string of world lines with the divergence number being 4% or higher. This is because Kurisu would have no reason at all to create the time machine, which is a predetermined event in the beta world lines. And since Kurisu's papers were destroyed in the Steins;Gate world line, SERN would never be able to create a time machine. Steins;Gate world line is still bound by the attractor field of the beta world lines, world lines 1-1.999999%.

If you want to know why the divergence number has to be 4% or higher, search attractor field and it'll show the Steins;Gate wiki page for the attractor fields.
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They're not in the same world line. They had to go to a string of world lines with the divergence number being 4% or higher. This is because Kurisu would have no reason at all to create the time machine, which is a predetermined event in the beta world lines. And since Kurisu's papers were destroyed in the Steins;Gate world line, SERN would never be able to create a time machine. Steins;Gate world line is still bound by the attractor field of the beta world lines, world lines 1-1.999999%.

If you want to know why the divergence number has to be 4% or higher, search attractor field and it'll show the Steins;Gate wiki page for the attractor fields.


If I went with this explanation, then all of the answers to my questions would be undone. For instance, according to the wiki, each field is a range of realities. These realities, although differing from each other ever so slightly, are all pretty much similar. Hence the Alpha field which contains all of the world lines that has Mayushi dead, but simply in another way. If Kurisu were to travel back to the past of a completely different range like you said, the 4%+ (call it Zeta), then how would these events that takes place in Zeta affect the Beta range? In other words, how does Okabe correlate that the kiss is the one event that specifically anchors him down to the SG world line in the Beta range? In fact, how does Okabe know at all if it were not the past of the SG world line?

I think AirStyles got it right when he first explained it to me, otherwise traveling back to a past that isn`t significant to the SG world line wouldn`t make sense nor help Kurisu in her situation.

Regardless of how you approach this, I think what I said earlier would still make sense seeing as how she never meets Okabe in any reality. So by having reality distort itself so that she does meet him when they were young would only result in a plot hole.

I think my question now is how did Kurisu know to travel back to 2005 specifically? Or was it some pure stroke of luck that she did and everything worked out? Amane said that Kurisu would know best, but seeing as how she never met Okabe until 2010, I don`t see any other reason except for luck.
 
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WatashiWaZero said:
SwiftKilla said:
They're not in the same world line. They had to go to a string of world lines with the divergence number being 4% or higher. This is because Kurisu would have no reason at all to create the time machine, which is a predetermined event in the beta world lines. And since Kurisu's papers were destroyed in the Steins;Gate world line, SERN would never be able to create a time machine. Steins;Gate world line is still bound by the attractor field of the beta world lines, world lines 1-1.999999%.

If you want to know why the divergence number has to be 4% or higher, search attractor field and it'll show the Steins;Gate wiki page for the attractor fields.


If I went with this explanation, then all of the answers to my questions would be undone. For instance, according to the wiki, each field is a range of realities. These realities, although differing from each other ever so slightly, are all pretty much similar. Hence the Alpha field which contains all of the world lines that has Mayushi dead, but simply in another way. If Kurisu were to travel back to the past of a completely different range like you said, the 4%+ (call it Zeta), then how would these events that takes place in Zeta affect the Beta range? In other words, how does Okabe correlate that the kiss is the one event that specifically anchors him down to the SG world line in the Beta range? In fact, how does Okabe know at all if it were not the past of the SG world line?

I think AirStyles got it right when he first explained it to me, otherwise traveling back to a past that isn`t significant to the SG world line wouldn`t make sense nor help Kurisu in her situation.

Regardless of how you approach this, I think what I said earlier would still make sense seeing as how she never meets Okabe in any reality. So by having reality distort itself so that she does meet him when they were young would only result in a plot hole.

I think my question now is how did Kurisu know to travel back to 2005 specifically? Or was it some pure stroke of luck that she did and everything worked out? Amane said that Kurisu would know best, but seeing as how she never met Okabe until 2010, I don`t see any other reason except for luck.
oh shit sorry my bad I was meant to say Kurisu went from beta to zeta, ofc she'd start at the world line she's from. My bad it was just a typo
 
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WatashiWaZero said:

I think my question now is how did Kurisu know to travel back to 2005 specifically? Or was it some pure stroke of luck that she did and everything worked out? Amane said that Kurisu would know best, but seeing as how she never met Okabe until 2010, I don`t see any other reason except for luck.

Assuming kurisu's steiner's eye continues to develop as she tries to recover her memories, this would result in her completing the time machine by remembering her experiences with the phone microwave in different world lines.
Since future kurisu is accustomed to the alternate memories at this point, she forgets that her past self was not as experienced, and so there is a luck factor involved.
The kurisu we follow probably got the year 2005 from another world line memory where okabe tells her about mayushi? I need to rewatch the series to be sure of that though, and don't have the time to do that right now...
 
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Ok friends, i have a new and interesting theory of the end ( I think nobody sayed):

Like as some mate sayed, the Kurisu without the jacket is much younger than the normal Kurisu. I think that can be possible that the young Kurisu not come from any time machine and she walked in that place in that year, sad because her father don't loved her. She meets with young Okabe and she's telling the story of Hyouni Kyouma (Deja vu's from the future? herself invention? the story of another scientist?), but she don't give the kiss.

The normal Kurisu give the kiss, changing Okabe, and that it's the true anchor.

Young Kurisu and normal Kurisu don't meet in the train station because chaos theory? (Time never will be the same?

And that it's, sorry for my bad english.
 
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Moli_Malone said:
Young Kurisu and normal Kurisu don't meet in the train station because chaos theory? (Time never will be the same?

I think there is a simpler explanation: "old" Kurisu after seeing young Okabe remembered she met him in 2005 and came to a place of their meeting before young Kurisu appeared there.
 
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That have much sense, good thinked!
 
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Hi all. My question: what the 'operation norn' really is? I mean, that message okabe gets in final scene. Is it d-mail from future Kurisu or what?
 
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The ending is really simple if you remember episode 22 in the anime (the greatest episode of all time). Kurisu says right after their first kiss that "first kisses" are stored in the hippocampus as a strong memory. In the movie, Suzuha says that Kurisu needs to create a strong memory to anchor Okabe to the timeline, and she achieves this by not changing the past completely (her younger self is the one who originally convinced him to take Mayuri hostage probably). Kissing teenage Okabe made that his first kiss and it was ultimately the strong memory that kept him in the Steins Gate timeline. Remember, in episode 22, kissing Kurisu was not Okabe's first kiss, so that created an opening in the past to steal it from him, ie. his last words in the movie.

I rewatched the whole series to start the movie and that's how I see it with my fresh knowledge.
 
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The ending is really simple if you remember episode 22 in the anime (the greatest episode of all time). Kurisu says right after their first kiss that "first kisses" are stored in the hippocampus as a strong memory. In the movie, Suzuha says that Kurisu needs to create a strong memory to anchor Okabe to the timeline, and she achieves this by not changing the past completely (her younger self is the one who originally convinced him to take Mayuri hostage probably). Kissing teenage Okabe made that his first kiss and it was ultimately the strong memory that kept him in the Steins Gate timeline. Remember, in episode 22, kissing Kurisu was not Okabe's first kiss, so that created an opening in the past to steal it from him, ie. his last words in the movie.

I rewatched the whole series to start the movie and that's how I see it with my fresh knowledge.


Yes that's exactly how I perceived it! I thought I understood it completely until I came on here and started to feel like Mayuri (Tuturuu! :3) with people trying to explain it with Beta and Zeta worlds and complex timey wimey stuffs :P

Edit: Why people saying there was a young and old Kurisu? :S I thought it's the same Kirusu but from the future who took Okabe's first kiss in the station wasn't it...? Or was young Kirusu told by old Kirusu to say all that. That seems unlikely since why would she believe all that when she was young? O.o
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It's great that everyone is very good at explaining things...!
WE SHOULD ALL GET ALONG~!

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rasenshiruken973 said:
Why people saying there was a young and old Kurisu?

If I remember correctly, in the little montage of quick scenes of kurisu at the train stop, there is a younger looking kurisu in a different outfit. Confused me a bit as well.

And a question was brought up earlier which no-one has answered yet:
After the kiss, Okabe is seen in the R world line gets a video message. The video is reminiscent of the one recieved at the end of the anime, however Kurisu is the person in the message rather than future okabe. For the sake of discussion, i'll take artistic license out of the equation. My interpretation of it is this:

Okabe was able to recieve the message the same way as he could in the anime.

I'm assuming the mechanics involved in the messages received in the movie and the anime were the same. Therefore the only explanation I can think of is that the future kurisu sent the message, and was only able to be received after the kurisu we follow succeded in her mission. but then again, the message was a bit unnecessary from a logical point of view, and makes me suspect artistic license. But that's no fun to discuss.
 
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After reading all of these comments, I personally believe that Airstyles has the most solid explanation. It answered all my questions about the young Kurisu popping up spontaneously at the train station and the R-line and how Okabe disappeared and was able to come back. So I appreciate all the effort and thanks for answering my questions.

The only beef I have is about the time leap explanation..
AirStyles said:
D-mail = Alter world line. (Crazy dangerous)
Time leap = stay within the same world line and nothing can be change. (Loop without change)
Time machine = within the exact same world line, but things can be change. (safe for the user, but can be very influential to the same world line)


You stay within the same world line but you can also make changes. The only difference between leaping and the machine is you go back in time mentally, not physically. No risks of encountering your past self because you are the past self. It's literally the exact same thing as restarting from a save point in a VN. So once your mind goes back the instant you do something different you end up in a different world line.
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Takana_no_Hana said:
Basically the movie was trying to confuse the audience with theories and stuffs which the anime was trying so hard to explain, it makes less sense than the anime.

Like, the reason for what Okabe had been through, was the time machine which he first invented. And by inventing the first time machine that Okabe was able to move to the steins;gate world line.

And the movie tried to convince us that it was Kirusu who made the first time machine, with negates the whole story-wise.
_ If Okabe didn't make the first time machine, then there would be no loop and no steins;gate world line in the first place.
_ By building the first time machine, Kurisu was able to save Okabe. But I don't see the connection here in a world when both of them can build the first time machine. Unless her invention was based on what has been discovered by Okabe and SERN.
So, it feels like the circle of question with no true answer: which is existed first? Egg or chicken?

Aside from poor explanation and confusion, the movie was quite touching to watch. It has some teary moments and heavily focuses on drama than the anime.

It wasn't wrong of them saying that she made the time machine, you were not paying attention, in this world, the steins;gate, time travel wasn't suppose to exist, but because of okabe disappearing, the future of that world changed because she wanted to bring him back, thus Kirusu created the time machine
 
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ninja88880 said:
This is my theory.
I think that S;G is like a multiverse where all the world lines exist at the same time, except the beta ones that branched off due to specific events (d-mails).
In all of the other world lines, a younger Kurisu told Okabe about Houin Kyouma when they were at the train stop, so since Okabe was originally from another world line (call it anime beginning world line), he begins disappearing since there hasn't been anything impactful that happened to him in this Steins gate World line. So Okabe disappears causing Kurisu to make a time machine in the future to return her to 2005 where she takes his first kiss, which made it very memorable. The kiss being the impactful event seems to hold true since that is the first thing Okabe mentions after he returns.

The kiss resulted in stemming off into a second Steins gate world line, since the original one is where Okabe disappears. In this new world line, no time machine will be built since Okabe will not disappear. Too bad the movie did not show what happened to Suzuha when they traveled back to the future. Would have been helpful if they did show Suzuha disappearing into thin air again, which I will presume did happen.

How Okabe managed to return:
With Okabe in the R world line gaining the memories of the Okabe from the newly stemmed off second Steins Gate World line (using his Reading Steiner) that Kurisu created by kissing him in 2005, he remembers the memorable first kiss and manages to return to this second SG world line. This also seems very likely because before this new world line was created, Okabe does not seem to recall having his first kiss with Kurisu. It was only stated in the series that he had had his first kiss already, but if it was with Kurisu he would've mentioned it.


I think this connects pretty well with the original anime. Starts off in anime beginning world line with the metal upa and kurisu dying, bunch of dmails forward and back. Okabe returns to anime beginning world line. Fails first try (branches to another world line) and returns to the future. In that world line his future self sent him a video and he returns to branching point. By taking the metal upa and saving Kurisu he jumps to the SG world line where he disappears to R inbetween world line in a year because this SG world line has the same past as in the anime beginning world line (where young Kurisu talks to him). Kurisu makes time machine, travels back and kisses Okabe which created a new SG2 world line. Okabe gains memory of SG2 Okabe and pinpoints this new world line since he had a very different impactful event. Travels from R World Line to SG2 world line, and remains there forever, hopefully.

Well that's my take on the events of the series.
Although this theory has some flaws, I found it much more plausible than the single world theory that i was thinking about beforehand.


Thanks! I was kinda confused with the ending, but this explanation answered all of my questions. You're awesome :D
 
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ninja88880 said:
This is my theory.
I think that S;G is like a multiverse where all the world lines exist at the same time, except the beta ones that branched off due to specific events (d-mails).
In all of the other world lines, a younger Kurisu told Okabe about Houin Kyouma when they were at the train stop, so since Okabe was originally from another world line (call it anime beginning world line), he begins disappearing since there hasn't been anything impactful that happened to him in this Steins gate World line. So Okabe disappears causing Kurisu to make a time machine in the future to return her to 2005 where she takes his first kiss, which made it very memorable. The kiss being the impactful event seems to hold true since that is the first thing Okabe mentions after he returns.

The kiss resulted in stemming off into a second Steins gate world line, since the original one is where Okabe disappears. In this new world line, no time machine will be built since Okabe will not disappear. Too bad the movie did not show what happened to Suzuha when they traveled back to the future. Would have been helpful if they did show Suzuha disappearing into thin air again, which I will presume did happen.

How Okabe managed to return:
With Okabe in the R world line gaining the memories of the Okabe from the newly stemmed off second Steins Gate World line (using his Reading Steiner) that Kurisu created by kissing him in 2005, he remembers the memorable first kiss and manages to return to this second SG world line. This also seems very likely because before this new world line was created, Okabe does not seem to recall having his first kiss with Kurisu. It was only stated in the series that he had had his first kiss already, but if it was with Kurisu he would've mentioned it.


I think this connects pretty well with the original anime. Starts off in anime beginning world line with the metal upa and kurisu dying, bunch of dmails forward and back. Okabe returns to anime beginning world line. Fails first try (branches to another world line) and returns to the future. In that world line his future self sent him a video and he returns to branching point. By taking the metal upa and saving Kurisu he jumps to the SG world line where he disappears to R inbetween world line in a year because this SG world line has the same past as in the anime beginning world line (where young Kurisu talks to him). Kurisu makes time machine, travels back and kisses Okabe which created a new SG2 world line. Okabe gains memory of SG2 Okabe and pinpoints this new world line since he had a very different impactful event. Travels from R World Line to SG2 world line, and remains there forever, hopefully.

Well that's my take on the events of the series.
Although this theory has some flaws, I found it much more plausible than the single world theory that i was thinking about beforehand.

Indeed, I think you are right, after all, Okarin has a moment near the end when he smirks and remarks, "care to RETURN it to me? My first kiss?" Return implies that the kiss only happened in this newly created world line, so that is what was altered to prevent Okabe from slipping away to the R world line. It's a cute moment since it makes a throwback to Kurisu's comments (face flushed and all) in the Alpha world line. "But experiences like your first kiss are stored in the hippocampus with your strong memories-". Which is the deja vu that probably sparked the idea to steal Okabe's first kiss away. Because of HER strong impression on that memory of kissing Okabe (her first kiss). ALTHOUGH. The inconsistency there is that the writers behind the movie may have forgotten the fact that the time machine just sends the future version of Makise back, so there are 2 copies of her in the past. Which makes it impossible for the makise that kisses Okarin in 2005 to be a younger version of her. Okabe's memory of the 2005 kiss is probably of receiving a charming story and kiss from a older girl. A lot of people were confused about that, presuming that Kurisu went back by the same means as a "time-leap" and just shared memories with her younger self, but she traveled back by time machine, so in truth it's a 19 year old girl comforting a depressed 14/15 year old Okarin. Which isn't that hard to accept, I don't know why so many people are freaked out by the idea that an older Makise kissed "young okarin", it's just a 4 year gap, and it isn't like she made-out with him on the spot haha.
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I don't know if I should revive this topic, but here I go.
I have some thoughts and opinions about certain things I didn't quite understand.

1) Let's think of Hououin Kyouma character as an object, a ball, just for explanation purposes.
I'll also adress 19 y/o Kurisu as Kurisu, 13 y/o Okabe as Kid-Okarin, and 19 y/o Okabe as Okabe.

Okabe has Hououin Kyouma "ball", Kurisu takes this Kyouma information (aka the "ball") and goes back to the past, then she gives this ball to Kid-Okarin which will grow up, become Okabe and give this "ball" to Kurisu which will go back in time and repeat this.
So, being that said let's separate events with letters to make it easier to understand:
A) Kurisu gives Hououin Kyouma knowledge to kid-Okarin
B) Okabe gives Hououin Kyouma knowledge to Kurisu

So, B) can never happen if A) never happened, and of course A) is dependent of B), hence A) can never happen if B) never happens.

To me that seems like a loop, a paradox. Kurisu went back in time to plant information she would only possess if kid-Okarin already has it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the original S;G series Okabe says he invented Hououin Kyouma based on some TV show.

A paradox I can compare this with is the movement paradox:
You can only travel from A to B if you had already traveled the half of the distance between these two points, and for this being possible you need the half of the halt and etc. Or even, the Grandfather Paradox can be used to compare it.

In the end, I don't know how this is possible. It's a loop.

2) Some people say that the worldline made Kurisu younger to make her existence in that time possible. I think that's a good theory based on those scenes in the train station that she "became" a girl-Kurisu. But this travel was made using a time machine so that shouldn't be the case. Suzaha came from the future using a time machine to go back to 2010 (and 2011), but the worldline didn't make her any younger or older just to make her existence there possible, heck not even when she traveled to 1975. She was still 18 y/o no matter what time she traveled. So, I'm still not sure if her looking younger for moments was really there or it was just metaphorical.

Also, I was freaked out for the kiss because it's a 19 y/o woman kissing a 13 y/o boy, I mean, OkabexKurisu are a lovely couple (I love them) but come on, it's an adult kissing a teenager, that didn't seem appropriate to me jajaja. Besides, change roles, 19y/o Okabe kissing a 13y/o Kurisu... o.o
Anyway, that's not really that important.

Either way, the movie was hear-touching, beautiful, I loved it. I gave it a 10/10 in the heat of the moment, and I don't think it's fair to give it 9/10 now just because there are things I don't understand. I don't thing the writers made plot holes or things without sense, they just didn't have enough time to explain everything because the 90 minutes of the movie.

I'm not a genius, so what I wrote my be wrong, I just wan't to understand things better =)

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In my thoery, like suzuha explained when she and kurisu met after kurisu timeleaped, the SG world line is less stable than the others because okabe saved both kurisu and mayuri. The SG world line has another world line tangled up with it and thats the R world line. The R world line is a world line that is separated from the SG world line just for the sole purpose of keeping okabe's existence, in other words its basically a part of SG world line. The SG world lines past is where kurisu didnt go back to 2005 to tell okabe about hououin kyouma and okabe disappeared but then another branch was created(lets call it SG2 world line) and thats where kurisu decided to go back to 2005 and told okabe about kyouma and saved him and it goes on until the future okabe decides to send suzuha and a video to year 2010 to guide himself(another version) thus saving kurisu again(ep 24).

And then there's the other question of how kurisu saved okabe. Okabe has an unstable memory thats why hes disappearing. The reason behind this is that he timeleaped so many times that his memories of the other world lines is all tangled up, he doesnt know anymore which memory is from which world line, resulting to him being unable to exist in any other world line aside from R world line. Until kurisu decided to help him by putting a strong memory of him and her kissing so that okabe will recognize himself that he existed on that SG world line.

I dont know if this is just an explanation or a hypothesis and Its really really confusing so im not sure myself
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In my thoery, like suzuha explained when she and kurisu met after kurisu timeleaped, the SG world line is less stable than the others because okabe saved both kurisu and mayuri. The SG world line has another world line tangled up with it and thats the R world line. The R world line is a world line that is separated from the SG world line just for the sole purpose of keeping okabe's existence, in other words its basically a part of SG world line. The SG world lines past is where kurisu didnt go back to 2005 to tell okabe about hououin kyouma and okabe disappeared but then another branch was created(lets call it SG2 world line) and thats where kurisu decided to go back to 2005 and told okabe about kyouma and saved him and it goes on until the future okabe decides to send suzuha and a video to year 2010 to guide himself(another version) thus saving kurisu again(ep 24).

And then there's the other question of how kurisu saved okabe. Okabe has an unstable memory thats why hes disappearing. The reason behind this is that he timeleaped so many times that his memories of the other world lines is all tangled up, he doesnt know anymore which memory is from which world line, resulting to him being unable to exist in any other world line aside from R world line. Until kurisu decided to help him by putting a strong memory of him and her kissing so that okabe will recognize himself that he existed on that SG world line.

I dont know if this is just an explanation or a hypothesis and Its really really confusing so im not sure myself

This movie is not canon and, unlike the main show, is full of plotholes, the main plothole that cause other plotholes in that there is only 1 world line active in any moment, they are not parallel worlds. When world line changes Okabe is not jumping to another wolrld, this is same world and same Okabe, world rebuilded and memories are changed, but Okabe has ability to save and rewrite his memories from old WL to new WL in that process.

Yes this is nice movie to watch, but don't try to understand it's mechanic, official time travel mechanic ended on 24 episode and of course there will be S;G0.
 
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ninja88880 said:
This is my theory.
I think that S;G is like a multiverse where all the world lines exist at the same time, except the beta ones that branched off due to specific events (d-mails).
In all of the other world lines, a younger Kurisu told Okabe about Houin Kyouma when they were at the train stop, so since Okabe was originally from another world line (call it anime beginning world line), he begins disappearing since there hasn't been anything impactful that happened to him in this Steins gate World line. So Okabe disappears causing Kurisu to make a time machine in the future to return her to 2005 where she takes his first kiss, which made it very memorable. The kiss being the impactful event seems to hold true since that is the first thing Okabe mentions after he returns.

The kiss resulted in stemming off into a second Steins gate world line, since the original one is where Okabe disappears. In this new world line, no time machine will be built since Okabe will not disappear. Too bad the movie did not show what happened to Suzuha when they traveled back to the future. Would have been helpful if they did show Suzuha disappearing into thin air again, which I will presume did happen.

How Okabe managed to return:
With Okabe in the R world line gaining the memories of the Okabe from the newly stemmed off second Steins Gate World line (using his Reading Steiner) that Kurisu created by kissing him in 2005, he remembers the memorable first kiss and manages to return to this second SG world line. This also seems very likely because before this new world line was created, Okabe does not seem to recall having his first kiss with Kurisu. It was only stated in the series that he had had his first kiss already, but if it was with Kurisu he would've mentioned it.


I think this connects pretty well with the original anime. Starts off in anime beginning world line with the metal upa and kurisu dying, bunch of dmails forward and back. Okabe returns to anime beginning world line. Fails first try (branches to another world line) and returns to the future. In that world line his future self sent him a video and he returns to branching point. By taking the metal upa and saving Kurisu he jumps to the SG world line where he disappears to R inbetween world line in a year because this SG world line has the same past as in the anime beginning world line (where young Kurisu talks to him). Kurisu makes time machine, travels back and kisses Okabe which created a new SG2 world line. Okabe gains memory of SG2 Okabe and pinpoints this new world line since he had a very different impactful event. Travels from R World Line to SG2 world line, and remains there forever, hopefully.

Well that's my take on the events of the series.
Although this theory has some flaws, I found it much more plausible than the single world theory that i was thinking about beforehand.


I can buy It, making one last definitive timeline with both him and Kurisu staying in a "perfect" timeline as outsiders.

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