Mangaka Changes Shingeki no Kyojin's Ending Due to Popularity

tsudecimo said:

Agree to what exactly? this not a matter of opinions. Give me a source of what you said. Like an interview with Kishi saying he didn't plan the time skip or that he prolonged Naruto because of it's popularity.

For example it's already known that Oda wanted to end one piece in 5 years.

johnyjohny said:
No got no links.

tsudecimo said:

Then stop spouting ignorant shit.

AICW said:
Business-wise, this is a good decision to make.

I mean, we all remember what happened when Bioware pissed off their fanbase with Mass Effect 3.

Hoppy said:


The Type B Otaku these days are soft, they don't want a kill em all ending in which they'll see their much loved characters dying a gruesome death.

AICW said:


Hey! Dead Space 3 was badass! That's one of my favorite games of all time lol!

Klimat said:

What? Mass Effect 3 ending failed exactly because authors decided to go against mainstream as far as they could with a totally shitty "edgy" and "artsy" idea of theirs that made no sense.

DarqNyte said:
It's going to become an ongoing series like Naruto and One Piece with over 600 episodes.....

-Zeaos said:

Nope, I think it will end next year.

JizzyHitler said:
it wont, he said he wants to end it on volume 20, were on volume 11

-Zeaos said:
Nope, I think it will end next year.

Xinception said:
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I'm just hoping for a plausible bittersweet end.

D-gen-X said:
Mass Effect 3 gone against mainstream and ruined the ending and SNK possibly going with mainstream will ruin the ending.

In the end what remained common is the "Change" that ruined the story . Hope SNK doesn't meet the same fate as Mass Effect 3.

JizzyHitler said:
Just reminding you guys, the original ending would have been terrible not because everyone dies, but HOW everyone dies, he said he wanted to end it like mist, he wouldn't have ended it with gradual deaths or to add impact, he'd of ended it to implement shock value and just offed every character likely within the same page

Fai said:

^this.

mizuto said:
I think that he can certainly change the ending to an other more digestive(lol), happy one due to fhe fanbase, or simply he hasn't expected for the manga to become that popular/long.
in other interviews I noticed he's the pesimistic type, and a mangaka must be prepared for a rushed ending if the manga gets canceled, a normal ending, and posibilities for elongate it.

you can call me a dreamer, but there isn't allways the worst posibility, guys ^^

Raphow said:
imagine what the fangirls would do if levi were to die ... so better change the ending so levi x eren can happen.

Klimat said:


To be fair, I don't like grim-dark endings much (and it surprises me how this thread is seems to be flooded by sadomasochists and other dark types), yet I must say "The Mist" ending was absolutely great. Life-asserting in a way you wouldn't usually expect.

tsubasalover said:
An interview of "Shingeki no Kyojin" mangaka Hajime Isayama was revealed on December 4, 2013. In the interview, he mentions that he is thinking about changing the ending he already had a rough idea about. Influencing his decision is the popularity the series has gained from its anime and upcoming live-action movie adaptations. He states that he now has a new idea for the ending, but feels conflicted. Though he does not wish to abandon his original idea, he is concerned about the effect the ending will have.

Source: White Screen

D-gen-X said:




Mass Effect 3 gone against mainstream and ruined the ending and SNK possibly going with mainstream will ruin the ending.

In the end what remained common is the "Change" that ruined the story . Hope SNK doesn't meet the same fate as Mass Effect 3.

Fai said:

Incorrect.

Original plans for ME3 were GREAT. ITs not until bioware went mainstream and decided to turn all their franchises towards "COD audience", that it got changed into bullshit that we got.

ME3 sucked EXACTLY because it went mainstream and became a generic shooter with bullshit plot.

NO ONE hated ME3 ending because it was "dark". EVERYONE did because it did not fit the franchise, felt cheap, ignored ALL THE CHOICES we could have made, shoehorned EVERY playthrough into same ending in different tints AND made absolutely no fucking sense in any way, shape or form.

Fai said:


Incorrect.

Original plans for ME3 were GREAT. ITs not until bioware went mainstream and decided to turn all their franchises towards "COD audience", that it got changed into bullshit that we got.

ME3 sucked EXACTLY because it went mainstream and became a generic shooter with bullshit plot.

NO ONE hated ME3 ending because it was "dark". EVERYONE did because it did not fit the franchise, felt cheap, ignored ALL THE CHOICES we could have made, shoehorned EVERY playthrough into same ending in different tints AND made absolutely no fucking sense in any way, shape or form.

AGirlInASweater said:
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To be honest, I was relieved at the latest news! Scores of people have already died; it has proven its point of "The world can be depressing and unfair"'. What I want is an ending that I can keep with me; the world is depressing and unfair, but..." Something with a message, instead of an all-out slaughter of the characters who've developed so beautifully over the course of the manga. I don't find anything beautiful about endings like that- it could just be me, but that's the sort of ending that just leaves me sad and unsatisfied. What was the result of all the volumes and volumes I read, then? Was there a point to it all? Is there a point to anything? It might be a little silly, but fictional characters can give me hope.
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And really, guys- it's not the plot that's changing. Just the outcome!

symbv said:
The interview is longish but the relevant part is the following:

――物語自体が勝手に動き出してるんでしょうか。となると最初に考えていた結末と違うものになる可能性もある？
そうですね。

――それはものすごい変化ですね。僕はこれまでのインタビューを読んだり、今日お話を伺っていて、最終的にものすごい度肝を抜くトラウマ的な終わらせ方を画策しているのかと思っていました。
それも迷ってますね。初期衝動としてはトラウマを与える系だったんですけど。例えば、「ミスト」って映画は、見ている人全員道連れで殺してやるみたいなところがあるんですけど、そういうことがやりたい気持ちがあったんですが、今は、アニメを経て結構な層の方々にご支持をいただいて、さすがにそんな犯罪的なこと、悪意のこもったことはできないというか、そもそもそれが本当に自分のやりたいことだったとは思えなくなってきているところがあります。

Basically the author said the original plan is inclining towards a traumatic end, particularly when in the earlier stage of the manga. He also quoted the movie "Mist" as an example of what kind of ending he had in mind. But now he thinks if he just went with his emotion back then it would be really mean and insensitive, almost criminal. And besides that destructive urge had already been fading from his mind for some time and so he no longer thinks it is something he really wants to do now.

JizzyHitler said:
You do know bioware went to shit not because they went mainstream but rather EA fired a shit ton of their employees, A large majority of the original mass effect 1's staff including many key writers and developers were shit canned before even working on mass effect 2. You know why mass effect 2 and 3 had so many plot holes and were more like gears of war gameplay wise than Kotor, its cause the original vision of the series died with the me1 staff

Going mainstream had nothing to do with it, especially considering Bioware broke mainstream popularity all the way back on the last generation with Knights of the old republic and even more so with the beloved jade empire.

Klimat said:

If you are so knowledgeable, care to tell me exactly how the supposed "original" non-mainstream ending should have been before they screwed it?
Overall dumbing down for the masses plain destroyed ME3's dialogues and roleplay, I agree, yet the ending is a completely different story. It's just some good old originally bad writing and incompetence, no "COD audience" conspiracies involved.

AGirlInASweater said:
Now, I've read a few translations of the article; he just doesn't think he could make a really cruel ending. Don't worry- he has said in other interviews that he plans to end the manga at 20 volumes total.It won't turn into something like Naruto or Bleach.
To be honest, I was relieved at the latest news! Scores of people have already died; it has proven its point of "The world can be depressing and unfair"'. What I want is an ending that I can keep with me; the world is depressing and unfair, but..." Something with a message, instead of an all-out slaughter of the characters who've developed so beautifully over the course of the manga. I don't find anything beautiful about endings like that- it could just be me, but that's the sort of ending that just leaves me sad and unsatisfied. What was the result of all the volumes and volumes I read, then? Was there a point to it all? Is there a point to anything? It might be a little silly, but fictional characters can give me hope. And if that's what Isayama wants- not money, because I ASSURE you that he'll be rich no matter what the ending is- If he wants to make people happy, spread an uplifting message, then I welcome the new ending with open arms.
And really, guys- it's not the plot that's changing. Just the outcome!