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ThangLong said: It was a perfect PR move that led to even the students doubting their leaders. Agree... but other than being a PR move, it certainly "proves" nothing. Also given the amount of sympathy and support that JIOR has elicited from the global population as a whole (heck, there are factions within Dorssia that are sympathetic to the extent that their goals could be mutually beneficial), it would take more than one clever PR move to get the whole-hearted reactions that result from it so quickly. ThangLong said: The action of ARUS president clearly shows that he was in cahoot with Dorssia and the Magius Council from the start. Definitely possible, and given the way certain plot points have unfolded, it's most likely probable. I will give it to them that they played his actions out very well as potentially resulting from nothing more that terror and arrogance (even if it doesn't really fit the types of unveils favored by the show). ThangLong said: The event leading up and during the massacre is a logical progression that fits the standard of "anime logic." I'll agree. If you accept the video, the resulting actions are incredibly hasty but they do make a certain sense that is within the normal suspension of disbelief required for a show like this. It's just what the video that is presented is something that is so far-fetched for the accepted reality within the show that it's pretty ridiculous (especially considering how distrusted the source of it is prior to it). That and just the general pacing for such a big turnaround... It gave shock factor this way, but it did it at the expense of the plot as a whole. ThangLong said: What S2 has done to Shouko up to now is truly a character destruction. Shouko was missing for half the time this season and when they finally got her back, she immediately did something "inexplicable" and now everyone is going after her head. I said "inexplicable" in the sense that little screen time was allocated to her for people to sympathize with her character. Agree with you 10000% on all of this. It really is a shame, because it works out that even when Valvrave does something right (the presentation and results of Marie's death and the impact it has on the characters), it also winds up doing something very wrong by neglecting other characters and plot threads that have just been left dangling. With the way this episode turned out, I'm kind of wondering what the entire purpose of the trip to Earth was. Couldn't the runes and Magius been introduced in a way that didn't end up neglecting so many characters and introducing an entire new plot arc that really added nothing to the existing one outside of the info dumps it provided :-/ ThangLong said: One major difference is: the secret Shouko withheld from Haruto was not the sole reason why the entire nation was massacred. There are big lies and there are small lies. Shouko in her position as Prime Minister should have known about how her army is fighting so that she can plan for any contingencies that might happen. L-elf, whose sole focus is to use Valvrave's power to rescue his girlfriend and Haruto, who is afraid of showing himself as a "monster," both made an error in judgment of not telling Shouko, their Prime Minister, about it. They think they can just shoot away in their toys while forget one main reason Neo-Jior exists as a country is international sympathy and supports; and supports will be lost quickly when their secrets are out in the worst possible way with their PM acting like a deer in the headlights. Very true... Unfortunately I get the feeling that a lot of it will be brushed over (the difference between the truths they both withheld, which you pointed out, being a big one). The only reason I can see that justifies the fuss that has been made over Shouko covering up the death of her father is so that she will have some kind of foundation for forgiving Haruto for his own omissions. Also, while it was believable for Haruto to try to cover it up out of fear for the impression that Shouko would have of him (not entirely unjustified, but still wrong), it really didn't ever make a lot of sense for L-Elf to do the same. Shouko confided in him and while that in and of itself doesn't call for any reciprocation of information, he seemed to take her wellbeing onto himself as a responsibility. After all, he needed JIOR to be functioning and independent as a country to be able to rescue Liselotte (or at least he believed this to be necessary). Keeping her in the dark about such a gigantic issue that you'd have to be beyond naïve to believe would be kept secret for any length of time NEVER MADE SENSE with his character. |
ex_necross said: Also the "world" didn't do a 180 in seconds, like I was saying. The only people who were duped were some of the citizens. Exactly. Which is a pretty big thing in the Valvrave universe. Do you think JIOR would have even been recognized as a country to begin with if it wasn't for their overwhelming popularity with the masses? Their cause only had support because of the perception the general population has of it as a sympathetic underdog. The massive amount of social networking they bother showing also lends to the overall impression that public opinion is pretty darn important. After all, even the Magius knew that the way to really undermine the students' cause and destroy JIOR was to convict them in the court of public opinion. If you believe that the governments were in collusion to begin with (or that the President of ARUS is either a Magius or corrupt) along with the idea that public opinion ultimately means nothing, then the whole release of the video was unnecessary to begin with and the Magius could have resolved the issue with the President of ARUS alone. |
killbethyDec 6, 2013 4:11 PM
| That president is such an idiot , after they shot the first student they should've realised that they're only just a few of them who are holy spirits. Damn , this episode was chaotic. |
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skudoops said: Did anyone notice this episode discussion has about double the amount of posts any other has this season? I posted like 10 times yesterday lol. |
Phonoodleman said: Watching this episode made me want to punch my monitor 20+ times. The amount of ignorance and plot holes is laughable and ridiculous. L-elf, please come back and lead these mindless buffoons with your almighty leadership to save the day, while Haruto sulks in a corner for being betrayed by Shoko. IDK man, Haruto sulking is a 50/50 chance. Remember the rape scene from last year. I was expecting him to sulk after that episode. But he actually manned up to the situation and tried taking responsibility by proposing to her. |
| i salute you Inuzuka, holy spirits not monsters. Sacrificing yourself for those backstabbers. |
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cobrabite757 said: Best episode this season imo. Been waiting for some crazy despair. Shouko... die. This one and episode 1 were like the best had a code geass feel to it. |
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mbdsquad said: UnbornMVs said: That president is such an idiot , after they shot the first student they should've realised that they're only just a few of them who are holy spirits. Damn , this episode was chaotic. Finally seeing someone posting about it. I was expecting them to stop shooting after the first guy was shot down. But hey, they are all bakemonos accdg. from the video stream so let's kill them all except the important characters. ok this retardness has to stop go back aaaaaaaall the way to the last episode of season 1, what do we see? oh right the ARUS president is in a meeting with the Magius, who would have fucking thought. its not like he is in cahoots with them, absolutely not, he was just having some tea and shit, playing some xbox i guess. |
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| That was chaotic. So much "bakemono" in this episode, and they forgot that those bakemonos have been saving their asses all this time. I hope L-elf return to his badass mode soon and Akira is the best girl <3 |
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| Wow, what a bloody mess. I don't even know where to start. Cain really screwed them up good, like so good you want to rip his throat out. Get your shit together, L-Elf. This people really really need you here. |
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| Valvrave hurts me. in a good plot way. I don't particularly like the use of the word "trainwreck" to describe valvrave cuz it really isn't as much as it is like one of those insanely fast bullet trains in japan. The plot still goes forward, just very fast, cuz the first season was absolute shit compared to this season. |
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| God, I couldn't help but laugh watching this episode. Sunrise you did it again. Valvrave/10 Pls tell me that the ARUS president is magius, because that was the dumbest propaganda shit I've seen in anime for a while now. Like damn, you'd have to be an idiot to really kill off tons of kids just because of a video. You would think that in the future people have heard of video editing and would just blame it on that. tl;dr anime people are dumb |
chibipaper said: Wow shouko -.- I laughed hard when Arsus went back on their promise I wish shouko and the people with her die in the end ugh My thought exactly, I was hoping so much that they died right after shouko did that shit. This episode is so annoying in my opinion, especially that Inori girl, I face palmed for most of this episode. |
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GateLambda said: niaxato said: Lol, everyone falls for the Dorassian trap no questions asked, then calmly go about killing all the students. Righhhhhht. Way to sell out Haruto, Shouko. Oh well, hopefully this severs all ties between the two and leaves a clear Saki/Haruto end.(Although I am still kinda hoping Saki join's Cain's side just to really throw everything into chaos.) Hmmm, Haruto just said that he will continue on loving Shouko before senpai died. Which I hope it's just bs to let his friend go at peace ... because that bitch sold him straight up, what up? Yeah I think he said that because he knew his senpai was going to die. Anyway he should be with Saki, did everyone forget what he did to her? I didn't like Shouko to begin with but now she is totally irredeemable as a character to me. Her reason for betraying Haruto was bad, just because he couldn't remember that time she betrayed him. |
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| This episode was terrible in my opinion and here's why. The Jorians truly are retarded if they believe propaganda or information from their enemies. The characters were all annoying in their own ways, especially that Inori girl. I mean if you know your friend is dead, why risk your life to save her? Also the looks she was giving to others was just annoying in their own right. Lastly I will mention Shouko, she has got to be the dumbest character in the show. I mean she betrays her childhood friend just because he couldn't remember something that happened when they were kids. Its laughable this episode fails hard. Also something I just thought about if Shouko is their president or representative why the hell was she on the last ship, just too many coincidences. |
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| Fuck Shouko Fuck the 101 Fuck Haruto Akira is best girl. |
| Glorious Titties Nuff Said! Make America Great Again! |
| what the.... L-elf is useless i thought he starting to build a plan, i feel sad for inuzuka, i hope he's still alive ( because he's a immortal ) i can see on the next few episode that the comrade of L-elf/dorsian army a-drei and others will join forces to haruto, dorsian and arus is already merge, next the comrade of l-elf will move. a-drei x rukino i hope... and haruto is starting to lose a life ( starting to forgot some of his memory ) |
shast007Dec 7, 2013 1:37 AM
| unknown episode. but finish airing at December 27 2013, i hope valvarve have many episode |
| I don't even watch the show, but I do enjoy the pain of the fans. |
| Now that's the Sunrise I love! Shoko was pretty disappointing, I can understand not trusting them but believing and giving yourself up to the people who just massacred everyone, really? R.I.P Inuzuka, though aren't they immortal? Maybe not when the whole body is destroyed. |
AozureDec 7, 2013 3:37 AM
| I can only hope that Sunrise's Q1 2014 mecha anime "Buddy Complex" turns out this good. Sadly it seems very lighthearted, but maybe they will surprise us. |
| JEWBRO SACRIFICED FOR YOUR SINS SUNRISE Frontalbrise said: I don't even watch the show, but I do enjoy the pain of the fans. ^ |
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| Everything is falling apart AGAIN! Great episode!!! |
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| "This is the human nature" Oh, and I'm starting to break through the suspension of my disbelief. I hope they aren't going to pull this kind of travesty any time soon. Holy shit..... Btw, stop calling these people bitches and whatnot. If you have any empathy, you would understand and feel for them. So much preassure and so much corruption. And worst of all, so many misunderstandings. Not exactly good writing, but a great look at the human behaviour at it's lowest point. |
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| Senpai died protecting them T_______T Thunder cries for him TwT Haruto still loves Shoko!!!! I hate the President of ARIUS !!!!! Only the Valvrave pilots are immortal. Not the other students. I knew he wouldn't save them. I hope he dies. |
| And this is how you use media to manipulate the dumb masses! Here we have the perfect example of the ugly human nature at its best. When real sh*t hits the fan the lines get blurred, "friends" abandon you and the blame is passed around like a soccer ball. PS: Shoko finally showed her true colors of a hysterical and whiny little b*tch. She's absolutely not worthy of any feelings Haruto has for her. He's forgetting about Shoko? Good, the sooner he forgets the better. |
Tengoku_no_hakaiDec 7, 2013 11:51 AM
| Don't the ARUS realize the people they've killed didn't come back to life?? Don't Shoko and the other b*tch know for a fact that they are still considered monsters by the world, and there's no way they'd be saved?? It's a typical situation. On the other hand, our hero Inuzuka!!!!!!!! |
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| While this was an awesome episode because of the huge, really interesting change in the plot, a few things really pissed me off: 1) Obviously not all the students are immortal. The first one they killed stayed dead. Why didn't that lead them to question if they were doing the right thing? Why did they automatically believe everything Dorssia claimed just because of the video with Rukino dying and returning to life? For all they knew that could have been faked. Or even if not, all it could have meant is that all of the pilots were immortal, not everybody. 2) Why didn't Haruto come out and tell them that that wasn't their ship and that they stole it from Dorssia? For fuck's sake, he said NOTHING, and just stood there like a dumbass, not offering to explain anything or to try to clarify the situation. He just accepted all the falsities. This is something that really bothers me about his character, he has all the answers needed to clarify things, but he never wants to say anything. It's his fault things escalated and everyone died, through his inaction. 3) Similar problem as 2), why didn't he tell Shoko "I can explain everything, hear me out", and give her a quick run-down of what was going on? Why did he remain quiet? UGH!!! I hate it when misunderstandings just get let go by all the characters and no one even tries to fix them. Otherwise though, great episode with great tension. Can't wait for next week. |
| Yeah flashbacks to Geass and the Euhpemia massacre. But holy shit didn't expect so many deaths like that. If Shouko wasn't a moron and invited all the media and such there. They are pure idiots without L-Elf. Why would they bring the Phantom there. They set themselves up. The only hope is if L-Elf's former friends switch sides with some kind of evidence, but even then how would they do that at this point. The Royalist Dorssians are done too. Haruto should have settled things before that stupid conference. Shoko goes mega bitch and Haruto starts losing his memories. They sell out Haruto and L-Elf..... And Inuzuka died like a boss :(. As if the odds couldn't have gotten worse at this point they are down to 3 active Valvraves. I'll be vastly disappointed if Shoko doesn't die by the end of this. |
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| ARUS just killed a bunch of kids after seeing what amounts to a news broadcast by their enemy?... I assume the council of 101 is in charge there too. Shoko, what a bitch. You never trade one life for many. So much idiocy in this episode. It was still intense though. VVV explode all pretty. |
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