Puella Magi Madoka Magica
| im at episode 6 atm and it seem that every episode, this girl is crying but just too much, start to annoying me a bit, dont get me wrong the series is good, but it seem that madoka is really just crying so much.... like exagerated p.s may be its just me, just wonder if some people got annoyed a bit by this and also if she will continue to cry every episode until 12. i know that this show has lot of drama :P |
| I cry all the time and my life isn't even as dramatic as Madoka's. It's a realistic reaction to a very dire situation. |
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| aw ok i was just asking, i finished the series yesterday, was very good, i usually never check any magic girls thing, but i was seeing a high rating on MAL, so i give a try, and i even enjoyed the series |
| Yes I found her really annoying. I don't believe I'm saying this but she is worse than Shinji, you would think that seeing a girl crying all the time would be more natural than a boy but she still more annoying. I hate her whole character or lack thereof. |
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| I'd say she had a good enough reason for doing it |
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tsudecimo said: Crying when you're in a state of helplessness, confusion, and having to watch your friends and life deteriorate is sooo terrible. Wow.Yes I found her really annoying. I don't believe I'm saying this but she is worse than Shinji, you would think that seeing a girl crying all the time would be more natural than a boy but she still more annoying. I hate her whole character or lack thereof. People have the same issues with Madoka that they have with Shinji and they're both stupid as heck. |
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| I guess this is one of the few "flaws" in the series. You could probably go even so far to say, that her character is exploited to create the dark atmosphere and this is simply wrong. The more I think about it, the more I become uncomfortable and see it as a flaw. Her background etc. is explained and well thought out, her actions are understandable, but in contrast to the rest of her personality the way she is presented, it just feels disappointing/unsatisfactory. |
ChepriDec 3, 2013 4:50 PM
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ihateeveryone said: Crying when you're in a state of helplessness, confusion, and having to watch your friends and life deteriorate is sooo terrible. Wow. People have the same issues with Madoka that they have with Shinji and they're both stupid as heck. Why does people think this is a valid counter point? ''OH YOU MEANIE, WHY CAN'T YOU SYMPATHIZE WITH THIS WHINY KIDS, THEIR SITUATION IS TOTS HORRIBLE'' It doesn't matter if her crying and repetitive whiny dialogue is justified. It doesn't make it any less annoying. My problem with Shinji is that he doesn't have development, while my problem with Madoka is the fact that she lack dimension and actual development ( acting the same way for 11 episode and then suddenly deciding to change out of nowhere is not what I call development) and it would be more accurate to call her a plot device than an actual character. |
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| Totally agree with tsudecimo |
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tsudecimo said: ihateeveryone said: Crying when you're in a state of helplessness, confusion, and having to watch your friends and life deteriorate is sooo terrible. Wow. People have the same issues with Madoka that they have with Shinji and they're both stupid as heck. Why does people think this is a valid counter point? ''OH YOU MEANIE, WHY CAN'T YOU SYMPATHIZE WITH THIS WHINY KIDS, THEIR SITUATION IS TOTS HORRIBLE'' It doesn't matter if her crying and repetitive whiny dialogue is justified. It doesn't make it any less annoying. My problem with Shinji is that he doesn't have development, while my problem with Madoka is the fact that she lack dimension and actual development ( acting the same way for 11 episode and then suddenly deciding to change out of nowhere is not what I call development) and it would be more accurate to call her a plot device than an actual character. Kyube said: I guess this is one of the few "flaws" in the series. You could probably go even so far to say, that her character is exploited to create the dark atmosphere and this is simply wrong. The more I think about it, the more I become uncomfortable and see it as a flaw. Her background etc. is explained and well thought out, her actions are understandable, but in contrast to the rest of her personality the way she is presented, it just feels disappointing/unsatisfactory. Madoka is supposed to represent an ideal magical girl, and I'd say she possesses some of the most admirable traits in the genre. I've seen Madoka get compared to Shinji before, but honestly the two characters are nothing alike. We know from episode 10 that Madoka would've become a magical girl right from the beginning if Homura hadn't constantly stopped her throughout the show. That point is the key difference between Madoka and Shinji, their characters' intentions. Even though Madoka is powerless in the show, she still does what she can to try and help other people. In episode 4 when she followed Hitomi and the other possessed people into the factory she could have run away, but instead she threw out the bucket they were pouring chemicals into to stop them from killing themselves. She intervented to try and stop Sayaka from ending up in a deadly fight with Kyoko, and she accompanied both girls to support them in fights against the witches even though she has no powers of her own. Shinji cries because he is afraid for his life, but while Madoka is afriad, she also cries because her heart aches for her friends and wants to help them. When Shinji pilots the Eva he is terrified, but when Madoka becomes a magical girl and attains the power to help other people it gives her courage and hope. They are completely different characters where it really counts. Madoka's sadness is because of her compassion and the way her character was designed to be faithful to the idea of a magical girl even if the universe she is in does not accept it. IMO calling that exploitation does not do justice to her character or the meaning of her presence in the show. |
| None of the characters were really that great. Except maybe Kyubey. |
| Nobody said Madoka and Shinji were fundamentally similar or close to that. I just mentioned Shinji because he cries and whines a lot and is considered annoying by the majority of people, yet I found Madoka even more annoying and hard to sympathize with. I honestly don't know if I should praise both of their voice actors or not because they effectively made them 10x times more annoying, weak willed, pathetic and easy to hate. daedroth4 said: and I'd say she possesses some of the most admirable traits in the genre. Like what? if it's the cheesy love and helping others thing then never mind. |
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daedroth4 said: tsudecimo said: ihateeveryone said: Crying when you're in a state of helplessness, confusion, and having to watch your friends and life deteriorate is sooo terrible. Wow. People have the same issues with Madoka that they have with Shinji and they're both stupid as heck. Why does people think this is a valid counter point? ''OH YOU MEANIE, WHY CAN'T YOU SYMPATHIZE WITH THIS WHINY KIDS, THEIR SITUATION IS TOTS HORRIBLE'' It doesn't matter if her crying and repetitive whiny dialogue is justified. It doesn't make it any less annoying. My problem with Shinji is that he doesn't have development, while my problem with Madoka is the fact that she lack dimension and actual development ( acting the same way for 11 episode and then suddenly deciding to change out of nowhere is not what I call development) and it would be more accurate to call her a plot device than an actual character. Kyube said: I guess this is one of the few "flaws" in the series. You could probably go even so far to say, that her character is exploited to create the dark atmosphere and this is simply wrong. The more I think about it, the more I become uncomfortable and see it as a flaw. Her background etc. is explained and well thought out, her actions are understandable, but in contrast to the rest of her personality the way she is presented, it just feels disappointing/unsatisfactory. Madoka is supposed to represent an ideal magical girl, and I'd say she possesses some of the most admirable traits in the genre. I've seen Madoka get compared to Shinji before, but honestly the two characters are nothing alike. We know from episode 10 that Madoka would've become a magical girl right from the beginning if Homura hadn't constantly stopped her throughout the show. That point is the key difference between Madoka and Shinji, their characters' intentions. Even though Madoka is powerless in the show, she still does what she can to try and help other people. In episode 4 when she followed Hitomi and the other possessed people into the factory she could have run away, but instead she threw out the bucket they were pouring chemicals into to stop them from killing themselves. She intervented to try and stop Sayaka from ending up in a deadly fight with Kyoko, and she accompanied both girls to support them in fights against the witches even though she has no powers of her own. Shinji cries because he is afraid for his life, but while Madoka is afriad, she also cries because her heart aches for her friends and wants to help them. When Shinji pilots the Eva he is terrified, but when Madoka becomes a magical girl and attains the power to help other people it gives her courage and hope. They are completely different characters where it really counts. Madoka's sadness is because of her compassion and the way her character was designed to be faithful to the idea of a magical girl even if the universe she is in does not accept it. IMO calling that exploitation does not do justice to her character or the meaning of her presence in the show. In short: You could call her the embodiment of empathy and kindness. You could also say she was a person with a strong sense of justice and with the courage to do the right steps, which had to be done. This is the rest and probably the major part of her personality I was talking about. However, there is a problem. The series story focuses very much on these traits. The border between feeling empathy and not feeling empathy can usually be crossed easily. The problem is, that you can immediately notice, wether you crossed this border or not and based on that, allows you to make your own point of view of the situation freely. It is absolutely crucial to do this right every time, because otherwise you leave the image of a weak and dull character behind. Nobody likes weak characters or wants to sympathize with them. If you want to create a weak character on purpose, you have to be extremly wary about what you are doing, because this posseses the possibility to drag down a whole story. Not everyone has the ability or the will to be as emotional as Madoka. It is the writer's job to secure that this border isn't crossed too frequently and has to find solutions to prevent this from happening. For example the heart to heart talk between Madoka and Sayaka in front of her house at the end of episode 7 is probably one of the best scenes in the whole show. I think there is no further explanation needed. Obviously the series did a great job overall and I still consider the series to be one of the best series I know, but as I said not everyone feels as strongly as Madoka and not every such scene was as well made as the one named above. This is probably the reason why there are some viewers, who disliked Madoka, even thought they liked the series in general. But maybe this is a phenomen of someone who has seen the series/movies several times, because they became used to it and expect something clearer/purer. |
ChepriFeb 1, 2014 4:58 AM
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| Shes a little girl, dont they always cry? |
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| Yeah, not like there's a problem with it. Great show I must admit. |
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Kyube said: In short: You could call her the embodiment of empathy and kindness. You could also say she was a person with a strong sense of justice and with the courage to do the right steps, which had to be done. This is the rest and probably the major part of her personality I was talking about. However, there is a problem. The series story focuses very much on these traits. The border between feeling empathy and not feeling empathy can usually be crossed easily. The problem is, that you can immediately notice, wether you crossed this border or not and based on that, allows you to make your own point of view of the situation freely. It is absolutely crucial to do this right every time, because otherwise you leave the image of a weak and dull character behind. Nobody likes weak characters or wants to sympathize with them. If you want to create a weak character on purpose, you have to be extremly wary about what you are doing, because this posseses the possibility to drag down a whole story. Not everyone has the ability or the will to be as emotional as Madoka. It is the writer's job to secure that this border isn't crossed too frequently and has to find solutions to prevent this from happening. For example the heart to heart talk between Madoka and Sayaka in front of her house at the end of episode 7 is probably one of the best scenes in the whole show. I think there is no further explanation needed. Obviously the series did a great job overall and I still consider the series to be one of the best series I know, but as I said not everyone feels as strongly as Madoka and not every such scene was as well made as the one named above. This is probably the reason why there are some viewers, who disliked Madoka, even thought they liked the series in general. But maybe this is a phenomen of someone who has seen the series/movies several times, because they became used to it and expect something different. Good post IMO, and I think I can understand what you are trying to get at. After thinking about it I'd say I agree that presenting a character in a way that is agreeable with the viewers plays a factor in how much they are liked by the audience. But I don't agree with the reasons behind that method of judging characters. For one, everyone has a different set of criteria for what makes a character likable, cool, or relatable to them. Trying to build a character with the intention of giving them a wide range of appeal would probably fail because they usually end up being watered-down characters, like your typical blank slate protagonists. So while I agree that this isn't a meaningless factor, character empathy on the scale of thousands of people is not a situation where having more is necessarily better. Rather there are benefits and drawbacks to both and I do not think characters should be designed with the intention of giving them a certain level of audience empathy, but instead to be good characters that fit within the vision of the story. I'm also strongly opposed to the way some viewers find Madoka annoying because of her powerlessness and crying. It's the same reason why I don't believe in liking a character because they are "badass" or powerful. I've seen many characters that get a good following just because they are strong even though they don't have much else going for them. I don't think it's wrong to like those kinds of characters and I think it's okay if Madoka isn't someone's type, but that doesn't make her a bad character or poorly made. That's really the point of what I'm trying to show in these posts. @tsudecimo, Slyr3do0n I still disagree as strongly as I did before. Calling a character annoying is a fair enough reason to not like that character, but it isn't a good enough reason to claim that a character is bad. Even ignoring the comparisons to Shinji in my other post I think my point about Madoka still stands, because the post has examples about Madoka's actions and character motivations from the show to justify why I feel this way about Madoka's character. I also just want to say that I don't believe the idea of love and helping others is cheesy. At a different point in my life I would've felt the same way you do, but all I can say is that I personally find those traits to be admirable. |
daedroth4Dec 7, 2013 10:38 AM
| Aren't little girls supposed to be cry babies? |
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tsudecimo said: ihateeveryone said: Crying when you're in a state of helplessness, confusion, and having to watch your friends and life deteriorate is sooo terrible. Wow. People have the same issues with Madoka that they have with Shinji and they're both stupid as heck. Why does people think this is a valid counter point? ''OH YOU MEANIE, WHY CAN'T YOU SYMPATHIZE WITH THIS WHINY KIDS, THEIR SITUATION IS TOTS HORRIBLE'' It doesn't matter if her crying and repetitive whiny dialogue is justified. It doesn't make it any less annoying. My problem with Shinji is that he doesn't have development, while my problem with Madoka is the fact that she lack dimension and actual development ( acting the same way for 11 episode and then suddenly deciding to change out of nowhere is not what I call development) and it would be more accurate to call her a plot device than an actual character. You see, this is very subjective argument: you just don't like people who are sensitive and who cry a lot. That kind of characters annoys you. So what? That dosen't mean that this character is necessarily bad. You can say that about any type of personality - some people don't lilke badasses, characters who have only one trait: they are designed to be cool and strong, they are designed to be admired. Does that mean that mean that all badasses are bad characters? Absolutely not! That just mean that certain people don't like, certain character traits. What is and what isn't annoying, is highly subjective. I think that it's fair to say, that what constitutes as a bad character is: 1) character who is completely unbelievable - his/her reactions are completely unrealistic, he/she is not acting like a human - I think Madoka would past this test considering that she is a little girl and she cries a lot. That is actually realistic. 2) Characters simply don't have character traits - he/she will not pass so called Plinkett Characterization Test ;) : " Describe characters in the anime without saying what they look like, what they wear, or what their profession or role in the work is. Describe them to your friends like they've never seen the anime before." OK, Kamane is: naive, timid, a little insecure, soppy, kind-hearted, caring, helpful, hopefully, always sees the best in people, she wants to have meaningful life. I think she past the test :) 3) Character is an ashole: this mainly works when we are talking about protagonist who is a jerk - why would I like such a person, and why should I sympathize with him/her? - but I don't think that designing antagonist who only possess bad character traits is a exemple of good writing. Character who is purely bad, is as broing and one dimensional as character who is purely good. 4) Character is static and unchangeable, there is no character development - character who never changes is one dimensional and very unrealistic. Real people change - characters should to. Kamane had character arc - whether you like it or not. 5) Character is so called Mary Sue - someone who is designed as a perfect person. And I admit that Madoka have some Mary Sue character traits. So question should be: not if she is crying too much, but if she is Mary Sue? |
Tachikoma1701 said: You see, this is very subjective argument: you just don't like people who are sensitive and who cry a lot. That kind of characters annoys you. So what? That dosen't mean that this character is necessarily bad. Didn't even imply this. It doesn't matter if her crying and repetitive whiny dialogue is justified. It doesn't make it any less annoying. My problem with Shinji is that he doesn't have development, while my problem with Madoka is the fact that she lack dimension and actual development ( acting the same way for 11 episode and then suddenly deciding to change out of nowhere is not what I call development) and it would be more accurate to call her a plot device than an actual character. |
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tsudecimo said: Tachikoma1701 said: You see, this is very subjective argument: you just don't like people who are sensitive and who cry a lot. That kind of characters annoys you. So what? That dosen't mean that this character is necessarily bad. Didn't even imply this. It doesn't matter if her crying and repetitive whiny dialogue is justified. It doesn't make it any less annoying. My problem with Shinji is that he doesn't have development, while my problem with Madoka is the fact that she lack dimension and actual development ( acting the same way for 11 episode and then suddenly deciding to change out of nowhere is not what I call development) and it would be more accurate to call her a plot device than an actual character. Yes, you did because apparently you don't like people who cry or whine - no matter if this is justified by plot or not. And that's purely subjective argument. And she didn't changed out of nowhere: this change was foreshadowed long before it happened - she was constantly saying that she want to have meaningful life and that this will make her happy. That's why in episode 12 she's not crying etc. - because she finally have power to do something with her life. Also in episode episode 4, she proven that she can take decisive action if situation calls for it. Whatever you like it or not, she had character arc. |
| She's just a middle schooler. How is she supposed to act when someone dies, like nothing happened? |
| You're absolutely right! I mean, what kind of 14 year old girl who has lived a normal life cries when she witnesses a friend get her head bitten off, or when another friend is suffering from depression that could very well kill her. She should just brush it off like it were nothing, because it's the natural thing to do, right? Why can't she act like the heroine in Amnesia and just act passive to all situations with no reaction. The thing about Madoka is that she's not afraid to admit her flaws, but she still tries to overcome them despite not having the utmost confidence in herself. She still tries to help her friends to the best of her abilities and support them, even when the odds turn against her, because deep down she still has hope, and throughout the series she never loses that, which honestly makes her the strongest character in the show. She cries because she's a very loving person who doesn't want to see people suffer or get hurt. Just thinking about what the people around her has to go through and constantly feeling powerless is enough to get her emotional. That just shows that she's a kind person at heart. It's different from Shinji because Shinji is thinking only of his own personal issues. He's more concerned about his own well-being rather than others, which appropriately makes him a rather selfish person. Each character works well for the kind of show they're in. |
| It's not true she didn't do anything to help Sayaka. Twice she tried to become a magical girl to save her - in episodes 5 and 8 - and both times she was prevented by Homura. In the end of course she *did* save Sayaka by creating a world where she didn't have to become a witch. It's true she likes the idea of being cool, and maybe sees being a magical girl as a short-cut to that, but what makes being an MG cool in her eyes isn't just the costumes, it's the fact that she would be able to be of use to people, which at the start she doesn't think she is or can be. Her voice over at the end of Ep 2 makes it clear that both those aspects - helping people and looking great while doing it - are linked in her mind. It's naive, maybe, but no worse than anyone who's dreamed of being a superhero. (Also, of course, Jesus wept, and Madoka=Jesus.) |
| "Burn this sight into your minds. This is what it means to be a magical girl." |
| Cool hate. People don't seem to give Madoka enough credit, possibly because she plays the most feminine role in the show, she does however show on multiple occasions that she has the strongest will of the entire cast when the push comes to shove. Take for example her following the bewitched Hitomi into an abandoned factory despite having no powers and proceeding to save dozens of people instead of trying to run, continuing to fight Walpurgis despite knowing she will die, taking out Mami after she snapped and even on the verge of death she still thinks to protect the world. Mami, Homura, Kyouko, they've all said it before, becoming a mahou shoujo is not something you just jump into, each had their own circumstances and reasons for becoming one. Homura was purposefully trying to set things up such that Madoka would not have to be pushed into making a contract and outright stopped her from making one. Imo, Madoka, despite being naive, was the most rational of the cast. This. |
MelonMilkJun 29, 2015 3:33 AM
| I think everyone should read this: https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Talk:Philosophical_Observations A really good analyses of Madoka's behaviour in my opinion. |
People don't seem to give Madoka enough credit, possibly because she plays the most feminine role in the show, she does however show on multiple occasions that she has the strongest will of the entire cast when the push comes to shove. No, it is not it. She plays the role of a passive and dumb girl that gets no development whatsoever. Take for example her following the bewitched Hitomi into an abandoned factory This was an extremely dumb and reckless thing to do. The moment she saw Hitomi, she should immediately go to look for Homura, who she knew, has the power to deal with witches. Fortunately for Madoka, Sayaka came just in time to save her butt. Madoka, despite being naive, was the most rational of the cast. She was not rational at all. When she tried to do something, it was impulsive and thoughtless. If she learnt that acting like that is not making the situation better and started to think, gather information and analyze the situation to come up with a plan. That would be development. But since she only does something useful after having all the essential information thrown right into her face, after being saved from consequences of her dumb actions by others and after being stopped from making not well thought-out decisions like becoming a magical girl, Madoka’s final decision cannot be called development. It is not like she didn’t want to help other people at the beginning, she wanted, so it is not like she changes her behaviour or attitude. Her problem was that she was thoughtless and uninformed, thus she could not do anything useful. If she realized that this is her problem, that would be development. There is no difference between Madoka at the beginning and Madoka at the end. Both wanted to save others. The only difference is that Madoka at the end knows what is going around her thanks to luck and the efforts of others, thus, for once in her life, she is able to make an informed decision instead of a thoughtless one. |
Lain666Jul 10, 2015 4:41 AM
| "The moment one sits down to think, one becomes all nose, or all forehead, or something horrid. Look at the successful men in any of the learned professions. How perfectly hideous they are! Except, of course, in the Church. But then in the Church they don't think. A bishop keeps on saying at the age of eighty what he was told to say when he was a boy of eighteen, and as a natural consequence he always looks absolutely delightful." |
Lain666 said: Take for example her following the bewitched Hitomi into an abandoned factory This was an extremely dumb and reckless thing to do. The moment she saw Hitomi, she should immediately go to look for Homura, who she knew, has the power to deal with witches. Fortunately for Madoka, Sayaka came just in time to save her butt. If you'd said she should have asked Homura for her number and address earlier I might have agreed, though since she's in shock from seeing her senpai's head ripped off it's not surprising she didn't have the presence of mind - and at that point she believes that her part in the world of MGs is over anyway. But when she sees Hitomi a) she doesn't know where to find Homura - she could be anywhere in the city, and b) by the time she got Homura there, Hitomi would have gone. I don't know how you can call Madoka both passive and reckless - it seems like a contradiction. And she actually gets a lot of development, from the confident girl we see in timeline 1 to the hesitant girl with low self-worth we see in the first episode. I've always thought the implication is that as Homura becomes more and more protective of her, robbing her of freedom of action, Madoka's self-belief drains away. Her willingness to sacrifice herself, which in timeline 1 was taken with confidence and a sense of vocation, becomes by the main timeline a sign of the lack of value she places on her own life - another unintended 'side-effect' of Homura's magic. But I think Kyubey's little lectures on Madoka's potential, entropy and the history of magical girls have their own unintended side effect. While his intent was no doubt to nudge her towards despair, his lack of empathy means that he miscalculated. What he tells her offers an opportunity for her to make a meaningful sacrifice - based neither on self-abnegation nor on misplaced idealism. "If you ever feel like dying for the sake of the universe, call me," is one of the show's most bleakly funny lines, because who would do that? But the irony is that Madoka does do just that - on her terms. |
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Lain666 said: This was an extremely dumb and reckless thing to do. The moment she saw Hitomi, she should immediately go to look for Homura, who she knew, has the power to deal with witches. Fortunately for Madoka, Sayaka came just in time to save her butt. I don't see how running about, hoping to randomly bump into Homura, would have been a good idea when she had absolutely no idea where Homura was, not to mention that she would lose track of Hitomi as well. The only thing I can agree with, is that it was reckless. That's just how Madoka is, when she sees someone in trouble she can't turn away, she certainly wasn't going to walk away and let her friend die. In fact, this is an example of how Madoka played an active role, putting herself in danger to save Hitomi, even when she knew she would be utterly helpless against a witch. She certainly couldn't fight a witch, but her actions in the factory saved the lives of everyone there. Lain666 said: She was not rational at all. When she tried to do something, it was impulsive and thoughtless. Could you give some specific examples of why you feel this way? Because I thought she was quite level-headed. An example being how she tried to talk Sayaka out of picking a fight with Kyouko, suggesting that they would be able to make some compromise despite their ideological differences. When that failed, she forcefully stopped Sayaka from fighting, knowing Sayaka would only be throwing herself in harm's way. |
MelonMilkJul 10, 2015 6:57 AM
I don't know how you can call Madoka both passive and reckless - it seems like a contradiction. I meant by it that she never does anything useful, but if doing whatever counts than I agree that she wasn’t passive. I don't know how you can call Madoka both passive and reckless - it seems like a contradiction. And she actually gets a lot of development, from the confident girl we see in timeline 1 to the hesitant girl with low self-worth we see in the first episode. I've always thought the implication is that as Homura becomes more and more protective of her, robbing her of freedom of action, Madoka's self-belief drains away. Her willingness to sacrifice herself, which in timeline 1 was taken with confidence and a sense of vocation, becomes by the main timeline a sign of the lack of value she places on her own life - another unintended 'side-effect' of Homura's magic. I would accept this explanation if in the first episode Homura was not just introduced to Madoka. Madoka could not acquire self-worth issues that quickly and it looks like she had them before she met Homura. I don't see how running about, hoping to randomly bump into Homura, would have been a good idea when she had absolutely no idea where Homura was, not to mention that she would lose track of Hitomi as well. For example: couldn’t she call the classmates to whom she had phone numbers to ask them whether they have Homur’s number? Couldn’t she call Sayaka and ask her if by any chance she saw Homura? I suppose Sayaka would not have Homur’s number, but still, asking Sayaka to find Homura or for any sensible help would be better than just following Hitomi. |
Lain666Jul 10, 2015 1:47 PM
| "The moment one sits down to think, one becomes all nose, or all forehead, or something horrid. Look at the successful men in any of the learned professions. How perfectly hideous they are! Except, of course, in the Church. But then in the Church they don't think. A bishop keeps on saying at the age of eighty what he was told to say when he was a boy of eighteen, and as a natural consequence he always looks absolutely delightful." |
Lain666 said: never does anything useful But a lot of examples have been given to the contrary in this thread. Lain666 said: I would accept this explanation if in the first episode Homura was not just introduced to Madoka. Madoka could not acquire self-worth issues that quickly and it looks like she had them before she met Homura. Yes, she had those problems before she met Homura, becoming a Mahou Shoujo and being able to make a difference gave her the confidence she lacked. Just that now, Homura is trying to prevent her from making that step, which explains the difference we see between the current Madoka and her from previous timelines. Lain666 said: For example: couldn’t she call the classmates to whom she had phone numbers to ask them whether they have Homur’s number? Couldn’t she call Sayaka and ask her if by any chance she saw Homura? I suppose Sayaka would not have Homur’s number, but still, asking Sayaka to find Homura or for any sensible help would be better than just following Hitomi. Calling Sayaka to find Homura would be grasping at straws, not to mention there's a time limit here, they were walking towards the factory. Sure, she could have tried calling her classmates, but I don't think it was unnatural that she didn't in given context, not that it would produce any results given what we know. |
MelonMilk said: But a lot of examples have been given to the contrary in this thread. No, we interpreter differently. You seem to be fine with the fact that she followed Hitomi while I consider following her reckless and thoughtless, since there was nothing Madoka could do against witches and she could not know that Sayaka will come as a magical girl to save her. Even when Madoka manages to do something that can be considered useful, it looks like she simply has more luck than sense. As for the moment when Madoka forcefully tries to stop Sayaka from fighting. If I remember correctly, because her mother advised her to do something wrong if doing something right doesn’t work. This for me was another example of Madoka’s thoughtlessness. She unquestioningly takes this poor advice and never considers how exactly doing something wrong will improve the situation. Luckily, this time Homura was there to save her from consequences of her thoughtless action. MelonMilk said: Yes, she had those problems before she met Homura, becoming a Mahou Shoujo and being able to make a difference gave her the confidence she lacked. It would be a very quick and easy solution. MelonMilk said: Calling Sayaka to find Homura would be grasping at straws, not to mention there's a time limit here, they were walking towards the factory. Sure, she could have tried calling her classmates, but I don't think it was unnatural that she didn't in given context, not that it would produce any results given what we know. I don't know why it would be unnatural, I think it would be the most obvious and natural thing to do. When you don’t know something, you need to look for it and she wouldn't know whether it would produce any results unless she tried. |
| "The moment one sits down to think, one becomes all nose, or all forehead, or something horrid. Look at the successful men in any of the learned professions. How perfectly hideous they are! Except, of course, in the Church. But then in the Church they don't think. A bishop keeps on saying at the age of eighty what he was told to say when he was a boy of eighteen, and as a natural consequence he always looks absolutely delightful." |
Lain666 said: No, we interpreter differently. You seem to be fine with the fact that she followed Hitomi while I consider following her reckless and thoughtless, since there was nothing Madoka could do against witches and she could not know that Sayaka will come as a magical girl to save her. I actually agreed that it was reckless, if you look through my previous comment, but sometimes recklessness and bravery are a thin line apart. Madoka is fully aware she is helpless against witches, she acknowledges this fact but is unable to turn away from someone in trouble. In this aspect, I consider it an act of bravery. Lain666 said: Even when Madoka manages to do something that can be considered useful, it looks like she simply has more luck than sense. As for the point of luck, there's always risks, but the logical outcome if she hadn't followed, would be that Hitomi would have died. She simply took that risk, and it paid off. Lain666 said: As for the moment when Madoka forcefully tries to stop Sayaka from fighting. If I remember correctly, because her mother advised her to do something wrong if doing something right doesn’t work. This for me was another example of Madoka’s thoughtlessness. She unquestioningly takes this poor advice and never considers how exactly doing something wrong will improve the situation. I thought this was perfectly rational, in their prior meeting with Kyouko, Sayaka was nearly killed and it was clearly a one-sided fight to boot. Even going back to Madoka's conversation about trying to work things out with Kyouko, she seems to want Sayaka to drop witch hunting to prevent another confrontation. Where the only foreseeable outcome is Sayaka's defeat, and at worst death, Madoka made the best decision out of what she knew. Lain666 said: It would be a very quick and easy solution. Sorry, I don't catch your drift here. Lain666 said: I'm not saying it would be unnatural though, just saying there's nothing wrong that she didn't either, considering she was almost at the factory.I don't know why it would be unnatural, I think it would be the most obvious and natural thing to do. When you don’t know something, you need to look for it and she wouldn't know whether it would produce any results unless she tried. |
| She is my favourite character in Madoka Magica but I do see your point about her crying alot. However I think she also has a lot of good points too like being the most rational one in the group and the one that wiped the threat of witches at the very end. |
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| I'd say that's just her character, shes too fragile. |
| nah i think u people overthinking things...With the events happening not everyone can man it out Especially Madoka, young girl its too much for the heart thus the crying is a lot. |
| "You can't spell slaughter without laughter". |
| ye i was annoyed when i was watching it too. im generally annoyed by crybaby characters |
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