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Oct 22, 2013 5:51 PM
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Hi everyone, I just finished Code Geass R2. After watching the whole thing I felt rather uneasy because I noticed a lot of similarities between Lelouch and Hitler. I know that considering this is my first forum post and it's immediately such a provocative topic, I am likely to be taken for a troll. But as someone who has lost ancestors in the second world war, I am really just hoping that someone can make me feel less uneasy about all this.
The more I watched the story, the more I felt that Code Geass is really a show that tries to paint Hitler in a positive light by using Lelouch to represent him, and by doing so try to justify the atrocities of the Second World War. Here are the direct similarities between Lelouch and Hitler.
The similarities are not listed in order of importance.
1) Hitler: Honestly wanted to create a better world through Aryan supremacy. Believed that he needs world domination to do it.

Lelouch: Honestly wanted to create a better world in line with Nunally and Euphemia's vision. Believed that he needs world domination to do it.

2)Hitler: Extremely prejudiced against Jews. Wanted the destruction of Jews.

Lelouch: Extremely prejudiced against Britannia. Vowed to destroy Britannia at all costs.

3) Hitler: Military genius and diplomatic/public relations mastermind.

Lelouch: Military genius and diplomatic/public relations mastermind.

4) Hitler: Betrayed, lied, and used everyone as pawns, including his allies. Attacked allied nation (Russia)

Lelouch: Betrayed, lied, and used everyone as pawns, including his allies. Attacked allied nation (Chinese Federation)

5) Hitler: Created a separate, elite military organization under his personal command to carry out his dreams (Nazi stormtroopers)

Lelouch: Created a separate elite military organization under his personal command to carry out his dreams (black knights at first, and Geassed the Britannian military to total obedience near the end).

6) Hitler: Started a world war which resulted in the deaths of millions of people.

Lelouch: Started a world war that resulted in the deaths of millions.

7) Hitler: Hates his abusive dad. Mother died while Hitler was young and Hitler was traumatized by her death.

Lelouch: Hates his abusive dad. Mother died while he was young and Lelouch was traumatized by her death.

8) Hitler: Commits suicide. The world's united hatred of Hitler's actions is directly responsible for the creation of the United Nations, an organization which tries to foster international peace and co-operation. ------- "With the end of that war, and the creation of the United Nations, the international community vowed never again to allow atrocities like those of that conflict happen again" (source: http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/history.shtml)------

Lelouch: Planned his own assassination. The world's hatred of Lelouch's Britannia is directly responsible for the success of the United Federation of Nations, an organization that fosters international peace and co-operation

9) Hitler: Uses scapegoat to rally the people behind him - the Jews, the communists, etc.

Lelouch: Uses scapegoat to rally the people behind him - uses Euphemia's rampage to rally the Japanese to hate the Britannians. This happens twice, the first was in season 1, and the second in season 2 when he uses memories of Euphemia's massacre to gather a million followers into being exiled with him.

10) Hitler: Had legitimate grievances towards his enemies (Versailles treaty) but couldn't give a flying f*** about how many must die to get payback.

Lelouch: Had legitimate grievances against his enemies, but couldn't give a flying f*** about how many must die to get his own revenge.

11) Hitler: Hatred of Hitler made Germany a better place. Germany has since then renounced all violence, and is one of the wealthiest and most advanced countries in the world with a lot of human rights and equality.

Lelouch: Hatred of Lelouch most likely made Britannia itself a better place in the end. Nothing specific about reforms is given but we know that Nunally became Empress and that's gotta be good for human rights.

12) Hitler: Personal involvement with the occult - obviously being real life, there wasn't any Geass, but Hitler was obsessed with occult stuff. Just google it if you don't believe me.

Lelouch: Personal involvement with occult stuff (heavily experimented with Geass to try to understand it better outside of normal usage,massacred a city of unarmed Geass order researchers so that he can be the only one to possess the power). His constant use of Geass isn't a fair comparison here because that's a plot device, but that other stuff was definitely not essential to the story.

13) Hitler: Talented orator that makes liberal use of highly exaggerated hand gestures.

Lelouch: Talented orator that makes liberal use of highly exaggerated hand gestures. Now, I know that anime needs a dramatic flair but this guy makes Yugi's speeches look tame. The massive amount of arm flourishing goes wayyy beyond what is necessary to simply add a sense of drama.

14)Hitler: Incest and betrayal - Geli Raubal, Hitler's half-sister's daughter, declared by Hitler to be the only woman he ever loved. She ended up having a relationship with Emil Maurice, Hitler's long time friend. Hitler then became extremely controlling towards his niece. Then, officially, Geli committed suicide with a single gunshot to the lung (which would not cause immediate death). The suicide weapon was Hitler's own pistol (which personally leads me to think that Hitler may have killed her himself). After her death Hitler was very sad but rapidly recovered and renewed his focus on his plans. Emil Maurice later became an SS-Oberfuher, roughly equivalent to a Brigadier General.

Lelouch: Incest and betrayal - Euphemia li Britannia, Lelouch's half sister, declared by Lelouch to be the first woman that he ever loved. She ended up having a relationship with Suzaku Kururugi, Lelouch's long time friend. Lelouch then used Geass to control Euphemia. He then shot her (single shot towards somewhere that would not cause immediate death) with his own pistol. After her death Lelouch was very sad but rapidly recovered and renewed his focus on his plans. Suzaku Kururugi later became Lelouch's Knight of Zero.

15) Hitler: Goes into insane super rage mode when things don't go according to plan.
Lelouch: Goes into insane super rage mode when things don't go according to plan.


I know that people are going to say I'm looking too deep into it but truth be told I have only watched each episode once. What I have done however is taken a genocide course in high school where I learned a lot about Hitler. After watching this anime the similarities just jumped out at me.

Anyway, what do you all think? Am I just being a freak or is there something going on here?
axavierhanszOct 23, 2013 2:05 AM
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Yes.
Mar 27, 2014 2:20 PM
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I'd say he's more comparable to Satan.
Mar 27, 2014 2:22 PM
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Yes.

Fuck.........

I agree, I told a MAL user the same a while ago (he didn't want to believe it)
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Mar 27, 2014 2:51 PM
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I contest #2 and #14.

#2: Hatred of a racial group is very different from hatred of a nation based on that nation's actions and effects on the world. Lelouch was actually a Britannian as well, remember. Nowhere did he ever advocate killing people simply for being Britannian or express hatred for Brittanians. Keep in mind that Brittania represented a sort of melting pot of conquered peoples as well, the "pure bloods" seemingly were a minority. He did however hate Britannia the national entity.

#14: Lelouch was rather unspecific about exactly what kind of love he had for Euphemia. He never seems to love based on shallow evaluations of people (even though the girls were all over him at Ashford, etc.) and I think it's obvious that his love for her is as a person more than as a woman. Hard to say though, but I really wouldn't consider having a crush on a relative the same thing as "incest." Maybe that's too narrow a distinction for some people.

No objections to the other points, though. Very interesting to consider.
Apr 2, 2014 10:57 AM
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I disprove for your reasoning.

1)His original goal was to destroy Britania and create gentle COUNTRY, but later situation changed and he had no choice but to dominate the world

3)Hitler wasn't military genius, he made supreme military power, but it's not like all of it was directly under his command, only in late nazi-Germany al military became under his command and he haven't experience as in WW1 he got idea of small units tactics only and no knowledge of grand strategy.

4) I partly agree, but this is the same as being diplomatic/public relations mastermind. Also at least from Lelouch side it wasn't wrong, he hit because he would be hitted by them in nearly future(yes similar to Hitler)

5)Unrelated things, SS was affiliated with Germany, while Black knights was resistance group with no affiliation to existing country, later black knights became military organization, but it wasn't under his direct control, yes he was mastermind, but most things was left to Todo, Oghi and TV-guy, he only had squad zero under his direct command as any general has some troops to guard him. Geassed the Britannian military wasn't organization at all, it's the same thing as nazi military or any other country military(except geass witch doesn't exist in our world)

6)Alexander the Great and Chingis Chan would have made world war to, it all non-ally country left was in alliance, I don't even know what to say more, it's just?...well... it's not common trait, just way to world dominance.

7)I don't know much about Hitlers dad, but Lelouch mother wasn't dead...

8)I doubt Hitler had his death for world peace, more likely it was from despair as he LOST the war and Lelouch WON it!

9)Lelouch raised army based on hate for Britania and didn't used Euthemia as scapegoat as first time he lost before he could use it and second time it probably was enough to promise freedom from Britania to gather a million. Not to mention what Race is not the same as event!

10)Hitler used Versailles treaty as pretext to get power, while Lelouch fought to STOP death all in all!

11)Germany became better place because USA, France and UK helped to make new Germany and stopped not violence, but pride of nation, so they won't think they're best race in world what deserves to rule the world. Lelouch became Scapegoat by his own will and Britania probably released all of it's colony's.

12) I don't know about Hitler and cults relations, but Lelouch destroyed cult to STOP evil known as geass as it's "power of kings" so one king is enough.

13)Hitler studied Oratory and practised it next to mirror for hours to make it perfect, that's basic of oratory witch is necessary for great leaders who wish to persuade.

15)And so do billions of other people.

As you may see, I explained not what Hitler IS ABSOLUTELY different person, but rather how much he's different and why he has some similarity..
Apr 2, 2014 11:53 AM
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tl;dr
Apr 2, 2014 11:59 AM
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If he's really like hitler then I have more respect for Hitler.

Who woulda guessed Hitler died to unite the world just like Lelouch. What a cool guy.
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1/Nope, their ideologies are completely opposite. They were not the only people who wanted to conquer the world to spread their ideology (Islam with Jihad, French Revolution and "liberty" "equality", Trotsky and socialism etc...
2/Again no, Lelouch only wanted to destroy the HBE (Holly Britannian Empire) as a political imperialistic power whereas Hitler wanted to kill "inferior races" and destroy their culture.
3/hitler was neither a good military or diplomat:
-he did not build the army (Von Sekt, Guderian, Manstein, Rundsdet , Lutz, Richtofen, Jeshonnek, Milch, Donetz, Raeder and a lot of more soldiers actually built the army and gave it it's tactical superiority )
-He made SO Many mistakes, systematically refuse to retreat and was incredibly stubborn (Dunkirk, Demjansk Order 45 ruining 1942's operation, Stalingrad, Tunis, Korsun, Crimea, Bagration, Falaise and a lot of other major blunders)
-Misconception of aerial war
-He was unable to turn Germany into a war economy until 1943-1944...
-I have many other arguments but it would be too long to long to explain
-He didn't expect France and GB to declare war on him after the invasion of Poland, he didn't make any investigation nor asked reports before declaring war on America. Refuse to try to make peace through the wat was obviously lost by late 1943.
4/ Overall agree
5/ Pretorian Guard, Scholae Palatina for Rome, Darius' Immortals, Alexander's Companion cavalry, Napoleon's Inperial guard, SAddam Hussein or Bashar al Assad Republican Guard
There are a lot of elite guard through the history and the Stosstroppen are WWI, in WW2 the guard is represented by the SS
6/lot of "great" leaders start wars, and in R1 Lelouch started a rebellion, Britania was the 1st to have an aggressive policy.
Although it is true both are involved in a world war.
7/Maybe, but a lot of father used to beat their wife and children
after getting drunk at this time.
8/Impossible to compare, one commit suicide to avoid being trialled and being sentenced to death; the other sacrifices himself to give peace (Beuh, Lulu is not dead ><)
Don't forget the League of Nations which failed before the creation of UN.
9/not the same thing
10/
Apr 30, 2014 10:00 AM
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Hitler isn't as hot as Lelouch. Fool, how dare you compare a filthy plebeian to our holy leader?

Hail Lelouch!!!!!!!!!!
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I suddenly feel the need to revaluate my life after reading this.

Interesting points.
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valid points OP
May 5, 2014 2:29 PM

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Yes. The people who wrote Code Geass obviously did so with the intent to glorify Hitler

Therefore if you like Code geass or have Lelouch in your favorites you are a Nazi supporter and should be considered as scum of humanity. You are a person who approves of the mass slaughter of millions of people.

This is why we don't watch anime

May 5, 2014 2:31 PM

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YES, FOR THE GLORY OF HITLER
ALL HAIL HITLER
ALL HAIL LELOUCH
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May 5, 2014 2:32 PM

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If he's really like hitler then I have more respect for Hitler.

Who woulda guessed Hitler died to unite the world just like Lelouch. What a cool guy.


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Korrvo said:
If he's really like hitler then I have more respect for Hitler.

Who woulda guessed Hitler died to unite the world just like Lelouch. What a cool guy.


Remember Hitler was the guy that shot and killed Hitler, literally the hero of WWII



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May 5, 2014 2:40 PM

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axavierhansz said:

Anyway, what do you all think? Am I just being a freak or is there something going on here?


you are being a freak pls
May 5, 2014 2:42 PM

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Remember Hitler was the guy that shot and killed Hitler, literally the hero of WWII


Lol

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May 5, 2014 2:51 PM

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Hitler was actually inspired by Code Geass, that's why he pioneered the movement of national socialism.
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Very good arguments but you got a few things wrong.

1. Lelouch never hated anybody for being Brittanian, but he did go against the Nazi like rule that the Brittanians had. He does state that he doesn't hate Britannia but instead hates his own father, Emperor Charles Zi Britannia, who leads the military.

2. Lelouch never wanted to wipe out the Britannians either, in fact, he himself was part of the Holy Britannian family. He also allows Britannian people to join the Black Knights.

3. He did use Eurphie's death as a scapegoat to help get support, but this is still nowhere near how horrible the scapegoating in WWII was.

4. Hitler wasn't that good a strategist and was more of a figure head for the Nazi Party. Hitler was just a charismatic man who was able to get the whole of Germany to back him. At his order yes. Lelouch is amazing at strategics (the main reason he bases his outfits appearance off of the chest piece known as the king).

5. Hitler's Aryan world would have meant that everybody would look alike and everybody would get along on those grounds. These people would also be non religious and not argue at all, this is an impossible world and extremely bland if you ask me.

Nunnaly's perfect world was just one of peace. That means that nobody is kill each other, but personal arguments and debates would still happen. Personal religious beliefs would be allowed and nobody would be the exact same.

These are 2 drastically different worlds.

6. Incest when it comes to cousins or even step siblings is legal in Japan, the place that Code Geass was made. That sort of incest isn't even really frowned upon in Japan, actually it's really only frowned upon in America and Canada.

7. Lelouch doesn't go into a rage mode either. He gets angry, but most of the time he is putting on a show so that people will hate him, so that when he dies for the betterment of the world the people will be happy at his death. Hitler never really went into a rage mode either, he did have one recorded instance of it, but they were loosing the war and anybody would have a short fuse at that point. Hitler tended to keep his cool most of the time so that the citizens wouldn't be too afraid of him.

Another huge difference is that Lelouch succeeds and Hitler does not. And the world here is still the same evil world it was back then. Where as in Code Geass, they are free of war in the end.

But you had a few good points.
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May 5, 2014 8:22 PM

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I didn't write this...

it's someone else's reply.

May 13, 2014 12:11 PM

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Wow, those were some legitimate points.A factor for Hitler being an influence on Lelouch's character could be that the Japanese were on the Axis side in WWII. But I highly doubt that.

But even if he is based of Hitler, I still love him.
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I really love your theory, it's very interesting and to me it kinda makes sense.

But I don't think those similarities were intentionally
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May 13, 2014 12:22 PM

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Hitler having Geass would help explain why the Naziis followed him. . .oh and a good chunk of Germany,and Japan andItaly.
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StardustNyako said:
Hitler having Geass would help explain why the Naziis followed him. . .oh and a good chunk of Germany,and Japan andItaly.

So true,Sieg Heil for Lulu not for Hitler.

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I'm glad someone else thinks he's Hitler ......cause he like Hitler is a prick
I dislike lelouch vi Britannia.

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The difference is Lelouch never tried to create a society where you get executed because of your race or religion, he wanted the opposite. Lelouch succeeded in creating a better world, Hitler didn't.
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It's the inverse Hitler.
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Or it could be as simple as dictators just have similar traits.
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Nice. Laughed a lot
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Animefreak17a said:
I'm glad someone else thinks he's Hitler ......cause he like Hitler is a prick

I came to this discussion thread five years late because I don’t understand the hard-on people have for Lelouch (the five years late part because I just watched the show...) Although I don’t agree with most of the Hitler comparisons, this one I do XD
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I don't understand, wasn't Hitler the good guy? Jk calm down mate WW2 is over anyway and so what if Lelouch is like Hitler? He's just an anime character and there is nothing wrong with him being similar to Hitler because he is a FICTIONAL character.

Also on all your points about Hitler, you forgot to mention all the good he did for the German people, e.g. 0% loans, generous benefits for kids, creating Volkswagen, building homes, paying reparations, decreasing unemployment and revitalising the economy.
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He's more like Stalin
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Very good analysis and extremely necessary. I agree with every word. Unfortunately, no argumentation will get to brainwashed fans who believe that Lelouch wasn't a psychopath but a good guy. Then again, people tend to idolise and admire psychopaths and be manipulated by them.

When I read the comments like, "They certainly had similar methods but their goals and ideals were completely opposite", then I just go facepalm. So you can destroy the nations as long as your ideals are good, great. You know what, from German's point of view Hitler's goals and ambitions seemed good, too.

The biggest crime of Code Geass is not to condemn Lelouch for all evil he committed, and instead make him a hero. That's why, contrary to other psychopaths like Aizen, Light or Doflamingo, Lelouch's fans feel justified to throw any hate at you whenever you try to tell them he wasn't actually a good guy.
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If they didn't want Hitler to act up they should have just honored the treaty of versailles. Boom. World war 2 doesn't happen.
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There's a reason why both Lelouch and Hitler are in my favorites.
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this might be the stupidest mal post I have ever seen.
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