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Go to college. Get the best education you can. That's all you can do.
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I think college is still worth it. Gives more job opportunities. Not enough jobs available these days.
 
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Work hard play hard kiddos.


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College is completely needed if you plan to spend the rest of your life in a comfortable way with internet, TV, computers, etc. (that having in mind you don't have other ways to make money that don't need a college, which is pretty rare nowadays)

About college conditions: It all depends on which college you are talking about. Here, in Brazil, there are paid colleges (pay to get in, obviously). Those colleges suck so much. And there are colleges which you need to do a very hard test (thousands, thousands of people competing with you) to get in. If you get in, it's free. IF you don't get in, try next year. Those colleges are the best. Might be the same way where you live.
 
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Nope, I'm avoiding that debt.
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Uh, it's a necessary investment. You need a degree for doing most anything, even if that degree is entirely unnecessary for the work at hand. At least for well paying jobs in New England.

I'm attending a state school with the in-state tuition due to the impossible costs and zero financial aid (My parents save for retirement) from anything else. But the state schools are pretty good where I live, so it's fine.

I also plan to teach philosophy, so it all plays together.
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nope. Not intrested on anything college stuff.
 
Oct 17, 2013 6:43 PM

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It is necessary, just rather difficult financially unless you're lucky/rich enough that you don't need student loans and all that crap.
 
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I think skills can be learned anywhere, even on your own so you don't have to go to college, but college is pretty much a necessary investment nowadays because only graduates get good jobs.

Not saying this is a good thing, but that's just how it is.
 
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lol this is why you americans need to start voting for socialists (and no Obama is not a socialist), here in Germany university education is basically free for everyone (you have to pay back some of your living expenses to the state after you got a job).
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lol this is why you americans need to start voting for socialists (and no Obama is not a socialist), here in Germany university education is basically free for everyone (you have to pay back some of your living expenses to the state after you got a job).

America doesn't have popular socialists.

We have slightly left neutral, and slightly right neutral.
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Nope, I'm avoiding that debt.


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A bachelor's degree is like a high school degree in the past. Take it from someone with a degree.
 
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I don't think it's a good investment really, I mean especially undergraduate where you only learn theory and nothing practical that will even help you for whatever job you're going to try to go for after you graduate. But I'm still in college just because it's better than just a GED. Not sure about vocational schools though, I always thought they would be a good choice to go to instead of just regular public universities. Anyways, I heard that none of what you learn in college (undegraduate at least) will help you after you graduate....
 
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Nope, I'm avoiding that debt.


Smart move. Wish I had done that.

My university screwed me over with fees to the point where basically to graduate I have to pay the final year myself as i dont own £8000 I can't so I get no degree and a ton of debt for nothing.
 
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I don't think it's a good investment really, I mean especially undergraduate where you only learn theory and nothing practical that will even help you for whatever job you're going to try to go for after you graduate. But I'm still in college just because it's better than just a GED. Not sure about vocational schools though, I always thought they would be a good choice to go to instead of just regular public universities. Anyways, I heard that none of what you learn in college (undegraduate at least) will help you after you graduate....


I thought the same thing about trade schools even back in 2007. I always kept getting into one but didn't qualify for aid. I'd recommend for most high school graduates to go to trade school first and THEN after they graduate that, they can use that job to pay for college IF they still want to go. Rather than working at Mcdonald's trying to pay tuition.

I was going to a trade school but a domino effect happened and I had to drop out and now I'm back home with my folks.
 
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I don't think it's a good investment really, I mean especially undergraduate where you only learn theory and nothing practical that will even help you for whatever job you're going to try to go for after you graduate. But I'm still in college just because it's better than just a GED. Not sure about vocational schools though, I always thought they would be a good choice to go to instead of just regular public universities. Anyways, I heard that none of what you learn in college (undegraduate at least) will help you after you graduate....


I thought the same thing about trade schools even back in 2007. I always kept getting into one but didn't qualify for aid. I'd recommend for most high school graduates to go to trade school first and THEN after they graduate that, they can use that job to pay for college IF they still want to go. Rather than working at Mcdonald's trying to pay tuition.

I was going to a trade school but a domino effect happened and I had to drop out and now I'm back home with my folks.

Hmm yes that would be a good idea, except I'm not sure how it is with people who go to trade schools and the statistics of them getting a job? It doesn't seem like trade schools are very popular in the US either (maybe I'm wrong), a lot of people I've met never knew about them because when they were in HS, they just went along with whatever everyone else was doing. There was this video that I watched back in HS that said that a lot of peole don't really need to go to college, or that college isn't for everyone, yet still so many do go to college because it's what everyone else is doing :/
 
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tingy said:
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tingy said:
I don't think it's a good investment really, I mean especially undergraduate where you only learn theory and nothing practical that will even help you for whatever job you're going to try to go for after you graduate. But I'm still in college just because it's better than just a GED. Not sure about vocational schools though, I always thought they would be a good choice to go to instead of just regular public universities. Anyways, I heard that none of what you learn in college (undegraduate at least) will help you after you graduate....


I thought the same thing about trade schools even back in 2007. I always kept getting into one but didn't qualify for aid. I'd recommend for most high school graduates to go to trade school first and THEN after they graduate that, they can use that job to pay for college IF they still want to go. Rather than working at Mcdonald's trying to pay tuition.

I was going to a trade school but a domino effect happened and I had to drop out and now I'm back home with my folks.

Hmm yes that would be a good idea, except I'm not sure how it is with people who go to trade schools and the statistics of them getting a job? It doesn't seem like trade schools are very popular in the US either (maybe I'm wrong), a lot of people I've met never knew about them because when they were in HS, they just went along with whatever everyone else was doing. There was this video that I watched back in HS that said that a lot of peole don't really need to go to college, or that college isn't for everyone, yet still so many do go to college because it's what everyone else is doing :/


It's because they were told it's the next step. You're right, Trade Schools don't seem to be as popular as colleges. Even though jobs are lacking, some trades are in high demand, This is because all older people are retiring and need younger folk to take over but too many of them are going to college.
 
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depends where.. college in the USA is a huge waste of money and time.
 
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depends where.. college in the USA is a huge waste of money and time.
In terms of education, it's a waste of time and money regardless of where you attend. You can learn more in a shorter time frame on your own through a public library than you ever could attending college.

The largest gains from a degree are the prestige and social network you establish. The education one gains from an instructor over a textbook is there (and indeed indisputable, retracting my previous statement), but one can receive a great deal of the knowledge from publicly available and free sources.

It's about the prestige and social network, in the end. For example, you may have a relatively similar education level from two different colleges, but one of those may have a more popular name, and thus, more likely to land you a job. I've been told (although I haven't attended more than one college) that the education you receive has little variation in colleges from a similar area.

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You can learn more in a shorter time frame on your own through a public library than you ever could attending college.
That's complete bullshit. Having direct access to a knowledgeable person with strong communication skills is irreplaceable.

I'm not suggesting that all colleges, courses, professors, etc., are inherently valuable, just that your stated generalization is silly at best.
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depends where.. college in the USA is a huge waste of money and time.
In terms of education, it's a waste of time and money regardless of where you attend. You can learn more in a shorter time frame on your own through a public library than you ever could attending college.

It's about the prestige and social network.
eh.. but when you go and apply for a job all they're looking at is your degree.. if they have the choice between 2 people with the same knowledge on a certain subject, 1 has a degree, 1 acquired knowledge via library, they'd take #1. They'd even take #1 if he had less knowledge. That's how the world works and it will never change.
 
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That's what I mean. Prestige and social network. Knowledge isn't the largest gain anymore (Was it ever?). Although Araby is right in that my previous blanket statement is unreasonable.
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It's a means to an end, and what you get out of it comes down to your own effort. College is not going to guarantee you anything; it will provide you with a route that will lead to other options (professional schools etc) and can help you land a job within your field, but will not "guarantee" you any job. If you do things correctly, most of the times college makes sense for many professional fields, as it is often required. However, there are trades out there that obviously do not require a college education. It is much better to know what career you want before doing anything, really. That way you will have some sort of a goal (and you will probably actually try in college or whatever).
 
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here in a third world country you need a college degree now just for applying as a factory worker
 
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(I realize this is a weird thread for my first post to be in, but I signed up yesterday and I've just been browsing the entire site)

anyways, I feel like the numbers might not add up in some cases, as in, the cost of tuition/student loans/etc is ridiculous compared to the actual salary you might make in your chosen career field. but at the same time, most of those careers people choose require some kind of degree.

so I guess financially it might not be worth it but in terms of you having a chance at a career you're happy in, it is.
 
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I pay 50$ each semester to attend college and then the government pays me 7000$ each year for living expenses, books and shit.

So it's definitely worth it.
 
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Sourire said:
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depends where.. college in the USA is a huge waste of money and time.
In terms of education, it's a waste of time and money regardless of where you attend. You can learn more in a shorter time frame on your own through a public library than you ever could attending college.

It's about the prestige and social network.
eh.. but when you go and apply for a job all they're looking at is your degree.. if they have the choice between 2 people with the same knowledge on a certain subject, 1 has a degree, 1 acquired knowledge via library, they'd take #1. They'd even take #1 if he had less knowledge. That's how the world works and it will never change.


Unless Number two is friends with someone that works there, then again he wouldn't have to take the interview to start with.

Thats how the world works and it will never change.
 
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Nope, I'm avoiding that debt.


Smart move. Wish I had done that.

My university screwed me over with fees to the point where basically to graduate I have to pay the final year myself as i dont own £8000 I can't so I get no degree and a ton of debt for nothing.

I'm just wondering how this is possible in the UK? Did you not apply for student finance?

On topic, I'm one of the people who didn't leave for university after school and I'm now regretting it. I'm having to sit through studies I should have done years ago just so I can travel and work where I want to. I think even though it's extortionate in the west it's still worth it in the long run, especially when you've lived the alternative for a few years.
 
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Nope, I'm avoiding that debt.


Smart move. Wish I had done that.

My university screwed me over with fees to the point where basically to graduate I have to pay the final year myself as i dont own £8000 I can't so I get no degree and a ton of debt for nothing.
Take out a loan.

As for my answer: Depends on location. If you're in the US, where public universities may as well be private, the prices will rip your pants off and then hang em around campus. And run off with your wallet too.
 
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On a sidenote however in regards to the Situation in Western Europe, given the weakening economic situation and political changes I doubt even they will have the "gravy" train for long. Another issue on both sides of the Atlantic, is short of the economic factors there is one factor people here are missing. As the Chinese say "Beware he who chases the Dragon."


There are indeed well paying jobs on that track the problem is they are "specialist" fields. Meaning rare, not in high demand. Hence being well paid, Europe and the US should have learned the Dangers of switching to full service based economic systems, but it seems they haven't. At the end of the day however those jobs that need degrees arn't that common place, its like I can't recall how many people I know in the west that took game designing or the like, or became accountants.

At the end of the day most of them work for Walmart and spent money and time on a worthless subject, how is it worthless? Simple its a highly competitive field with very few slots, so unless you are top of the class, have fun paying those loans back.

Also there is in the US a nasty undertone to this all, most student loans are given by the government, when you look at the fee's when you pay it back its one hell of a killing for them, meanwhile the European system is a slushfund, that the rich in those lands are frankly tired of paying and starting to leave over.

At the end of the day college prices will rise, those jobs are still scarce, and you might have been better off taking a skilled job and starting your own buisness or working for a larger group.

Funny enough in the West Agriculture and Production are both suffering. If they paid liveable wages, and the West lost its obsession over unsustianable dreams who knows what the current situation would look like.
 
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Depends on country, in my they are worthless (mostly).
 
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For jobs that pay great and are high demand college is worth it. Now days it seems colleges are just needlessly pumping out graduates in order to make money for the schools and all they are really doing is unnecessarily flooding the labor market with college degree holders. Colleges should be required by law to inform potential students what the odds are of them finding a job in their field of study, how much that job would pay, how long it would take them to pay off that loan should they get that job and how long it would take them to pay off that loan should they have to work in a job outside their field of study.
 
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For jobs that pay great and are high demand college is worth it. Now days it seems colleges are just needlessly pumping out graduates in order to make money for the schools and all they are really doing is unnecessarily flooding the labor market with college degree holders. Colleges should be required by law to inform potential students what the odds are of them finding a job in their field of study, how much that job would pay, how long it would take them to pay off that loan should they get that job and how long it would take them to pay off that loan should they have to work in a job outside their field of study.


If they did that 3/4s of the students wouldn't even apply.
 
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Would you hire a hard worker who didn't go to college or a hard worker who did go to college? There's your answer.
 
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College is like the new high school. It's basically necessary for many jobs nowadays
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Would you hire a hard worker who didn't go to college or a hard worker who did go to college? There's your answer.

That answer can vary. If the degree for example is not relevant then it is most likely a matter of who applied first for the job. If an employer feels that by hiring the person with only a high school diploma then he would pay for someone with a high school diploma, then he is only hiring the person with the high school diploma. If the employer is not going to pay someone with a college degree anymore than say someone with a high school diploma then he might hire the person with the college degree with hopes that he might get more bang for his buck.
 
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If you don't want to work at McDonalds, then yeah, probably.
 
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It depends on your goals.

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my sister graduated with a BS in economics, and she is now a senior manager in some IT firm for some reason
I asked her if she uses her degree at all and she said no... nothing. From that standpoint, you would say college wasn't worth it, but people just want you to have that piece of paper. Of course this doesn't apply to everyone. I'm sure some degrees have some sort of relevancy to your careers, but the lesson is don't let your degree limit your career options. It can be surprisingly flexible.
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my sister graduated with a BS in economics, and she is now a senior manager in some IT firm for some reason
I asked her if she uses her degree at all and she said no... nothing. From that standpoint, you would say college wasn't worth it, but people just want you to have that piece of paper. Of course this doesn't apply to everyone. I'm sure some degrees have some sort of relevancy to your careers, but the lesson is don't let your degree limit your career options. It can be surprisingly flexible.


This is a really good post and your sister reminds me of what happened with my dad.
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my sister graduated with a BS in economics, and she is now a senior manager in some IT firm for some reason
I asked her if she uses her degree at all and she said no... nothing. From that standpoint, you would say college wasn't worth it, but people just want you to have that piece of paper. Of course this doesn't apply to everyone. I'm sure some degrees have some sort of relevancy to your careers, but the lesson is don't let your degree limit your career options. It can be surprisingly flexible.
Not necessarily. The degree probably helped hone her analytical and critical thinking skills and, depending on the kinds of courses she took, her written and oral communication skills as well. Also, did she take computer science courses or other courses that are more directly relevant to IT? If so, then her degree would have been even more valuable. Just because she doesn't directly apply economic theory/methods in her job, doesn't mean that getting a degree in economics was a "waste."

And I'm not just saying that because I'm taking economics, haha. You could have said anything.
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Yeah it's a great investment. As long as you want to get that meaningless piece of paper that opens all the doors for you. I'd say you'd be a fool not to, after all college is about the easiest thing in existence.

Me, personally? I don't like school. It's too easy and you don't learn anything. I have no desire to get a job that requires a degree. I've tried the college thing, but it's just not for me. I prefer educating myself (and getting a real education) and working on my long-term career goals.

So it's a question of priorities. If you want to get a normal job that gives you a good, living wage.... go to college. A lot of people are perfectly satisfied with a good job and a good wage. I wouldn't be, but that's not necessarily a good thing on my part.

If you don't care about having a normal job with a good wage, then don't go to college. You won't really be educated unless you do the educating yourself, and you'll spend a lot of money.
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Don't judge him.

He probably wants to become a professional bowler.
 
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Nah, I want to be a writer. Maybe college would help with that, but I doubt it

And if writing never worked out, well then I'll just go find a trade school.

In all honesty though, when all of my college graduate friends look at me with blank stares when I say something like: "A rose by any other name..." I begin to lose my trust in college being any kind of actual education. Its high-school with ashtrays, only they removed the ashtrays. Now it's just buying a piece of paper that says: "I am qualified for this job". Of course, most of these yahoos aren't really all that qualified for the job, but who cares.

I don't think it's particularly edgy to suggest going to college to get that piece of paper is a great idea for most people, which is what I'm suggesting. I'm just being realistic about the fact that college isn't really about education in any classical sense of the word. It's a filtering mechanism for applicants.
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