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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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An OK episode. Not much happened since they are now back to where they started from. Looking forward to the battle against Kitami though.

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Oct 30, 2007 10:18 AM

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Fun episode. Kaiji's plan was great. He just got unlucky that someone else thought of the same thing and found a way to counter it.
The battle against Kitami should be epic.
 
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Oct 30, 2007 3:17 PM

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Man I hate his 2 "buddies" Run away and screw up AGAIN only to come crawling back to Kaiji. I can't wait for the next episode.
 
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Oct 30, 2007 3:44 PM

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Good episode. I can't wait to see how they get out of this one.

 
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Damn I love this show.
 
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Oct 31, 2007 3:20 AM

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This game of Restricted Rock Paper Scissors is coming to a close. Less than an hour for Kaiji to get out of this tricky situation. Another good episode. I also love the OP for this show. 4/5
 
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Oct 31, 2007 7:15 AM
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They have started over from the very begining... intresting ^^
 
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This is such a great shonen thriller. Kaiji reminds me of Kimura from HnI in that he's got good plans and superior skill, but still loses pretty often. Adds to the thrill by a factor of ten, because even the best strategies (like this one) don't always work.
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Oct 31, 2007 7:46 PM

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They've managed to stretch out a game of rock paper siccors over four episodes. I'm impressed.

Really getting the hang of this show. It's the only Fall show I get impatient for.
 
Nov 2, 2007 3:19 PM

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Damn I love this show.
You've come a long way, baby.
 
Nov 5, 2007 9:41 PM

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This is my favorite show of the fall and I really hate Kaiji's team mates. They aren't very loyal and they panic too easily.

Kaiji on the other hand is too loyal. He could have been off the boat already if it wasn't for them.
 
Mar 24, 2008 11:27 AM

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Didn't find this episode to be as good as the previous one, but it was still good =P
I wonder what Kaiji has in mind. I mean, he is challenging a guy with only papers, while Kaiji only has rocks (unless I missed something and he has some scissors).
Btw, this anime is quickly burning through my ranks.
 
Feb 2, 2009 5:50 PM

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So now how he will overcome this situation.
 
Apr 27, 2009 7:13 PM

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cool episode!
 
May 1, 2009 2:35 AM

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Once again back to where they started from and this time in an even more desperate situation than before. I can't believe how this show keeps me on the edge of my seat. I wonder what's going to happen next.
 
May 16, 2009 2:22 AM
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I'm absolutely loving this show. I really thought he had it. Kaiji's pretty clever for a loser.
 
Oct 16, 2009 6:17 AM

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This anime is an example of "Never Give Up" I like it. It seems that Keiji is a lot smarter than he looks.

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Dec 13, 2009 1:02 PM

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I don't get it... if the guy who has bought out the papers is going upstairs whats Kaiji's problem? That means the papers have been used and he has rocks... if the papers haven't been used then how can Kitami go upstairs holding all those papers. To go upstairs one has to have no cards. Then again they weren't useful to him in the first place, Kaiji has the rocks and he hasn't been playing. And if he didn't need to use them(or even could) why buy them in the first place? Just to screw Kaiji? Come on...
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Dec 20, 2009 4:16 AM
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does remind me of Death Note tho...
 
Mar 21, 2010 9:03 AM
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Man, those sidekicks piss me off. They haven't done anything but screw up for the whole show.
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Jul 16, 2010 12:05 PM

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Hmm... why would they have to pay to get cards? Wouldn't people who already have 3 stars give them their cards freely? That way they won't risk losing their stars if they get rid of their cards.
 
Jul 25, 2010 2:02 PM

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Why would someone who only has Rocks challenge someone who apparently only has Papers? It doesn't make any sense, unless Kaiji managed to get a Scissors and I missed it.
 
Nov 17, 2010 7:56 AM

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Their plan was kinda intense if it succeeded but another trio smartly countered it..

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Hmm... why would they have to pay to get cards? Wouldn't people who already have 3 stars give them their cards freely? That way they won't risk losing their stars if they get rid of their cards.


I thought of this too but maybe it's just for token of gratitude that they'll have the cards.
 
Apr 13, 2011 4:48 PM
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Getting all the rocks makes no sense... after a few games, everyone would notice he only has rocks. furthermore, it doesn't increase his chances any. 50/50 whether the opponent would play a paper or a scissors. that's just disregarding the chance that somone will notice they are gathering rocks. a very large chance, seeing as how he tells people with 3 stars to gather ten rocks, and he'll take them and the rest of their deck for 2 million.


I must be pretty smart since im apparently the only 1 here that sees this...
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Getting all the rocks makes no sense... after a few games, everyone would notice he only has rocks. furthermore, it doesn't increase his chances any. 50/50 whether the opponent would play a paper or a scissors. that's just disregarding the chance that somone will notice they are gathering rocks. a very large chance, seeing as how he tells people with 3 stars to gather ten rocks, and he'll take them and the rest of their deck for 2 million.


I must be pretty smart since im apparently the only 1 here that sees this...


Nobody said or thought that Kaiji's strategy of gathering rocks is a good one except the two sidekicks but those two are retards. Besides, the reason he bought cards from those with 3 stars or more is so that they go upstairs and in doing so, can't tell the remaining players about this strategy.

So no, you are not pretty smart for noticing that this strategy sucks. Turns out the best strategy is either to double-cross people like Funai or play four of a kind against a balanced player and NOT giving away stars.
 
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Minami-Nan said:
trademark2 said:
Getting all the rocks makes no sense... after a few games, everyone would notice he only has rocks. furthermore, it doesn't increase his chances any. 50/50 whether the opponent would play a paper or a scissors. that's just disregarding the chance that somone will notice they are gathering rocks. a very large chance, seeing as how he tells people with 3 stars to gather ten rocks, and he'll take them and the rest of their deck for 2 million.


I must be pretty smart since im apparently the only 1 here that sees this...


Nobody said or thought that Kaiji's strategy of gathering rocks is a good one except the two sidekicks but those two are retards. Besides, the reason he bought cards from those with 3 stars or more is so that they go upstairs and in doing so, can't tell the remaining players about this strategy.


are you Serious?

first of all, almost everyone on page 1 is gushing about how great this show is, and some have said its a great strategy. Saying this show is great on this particular episode means don't see anything wrong with it. apparently, many people think this strategy makes sense for some reason. Not only that, why would kaiji be using a strategy that he thought wasn't good.

second of all, he asked the 3 stars to get TEN rocks before he would buy their decks. are the 3 stars going to care who they get them from? no. so there are going to be a handful of 3 stars wandering around the room buying rocks. someone might notice? They wont be able to tell who is buying rocks, but they will know that someone is.

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trademark2 said:


are you Serious?

first of all, almost everyone on page 1 is gushing about how great this show is, and some have said its a great strategy. Saying this show is great on this particular episode means don't see anything wrong with it. apparently, many people think this strategy makes sense for some reason. Not only that, why would kaiji be using a strategy that he thought wasn't good.

second of all, he asked the 3 stars to get TEN rocks before he would buy their decks. are the 3 stars going to care who they get them from? no. so there are going to be a handful of 3 stars wandering around the room buying rocks. someone might notice? They wont be able to tell who is buying rocks, but they will know that someone is.



I have to say you always have exceptions. I never thought this strategy of buying rocks was a good one. It's also quite impossible to gather 30 rocks let alone doing it unnoticed. As I said, he bought from 3 stars so they can go upstairs and not tell about someone buying rocks cause it's not their problem anymore. Some people will notice three stars players buying cards NOT necessarily rocks. The only way you know someone is stocking (not even buying) rocks is only because of the board with the countdown.

Kaiji just got overconfident. He never thought somebody else would have the same idea which is plain arrogance so yeah the strategy is still crap. It would only work if you are the ONLY one who thought about it but in a room with so many players, arrogance will cause your downfall unless they are all retarded like Andou and don't understand shit about what's going on.
 
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Andou and Furuhata are disgraces. They aren't completely loyal to Kaiji, and they are also rash. They do nothing but hold Kaiji back.

 
Oct 30, 2011 10:55 AM

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Rock plan was stupid. What if someone only has all papers, or all rocks? I dont think he bought all the rocks, unless I missed something. This plan will only work if there's a ton of scissors and almost no papers.
Even then, all of the rocks have to be in Kaiji's hand. I dont get it.
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Sep 3, 2012 11:23 AM

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Wow, the episode just started and it's already over.
 
Nov 9, 2012 1:52 PM

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Ah, I wonder if the translation was wrong or if they really didn't know how to use the word 'ratio' properly. Lol. Was a pretty good episode though.
 
Jan 3, 2013 6:45 PM

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Just when I thought this was getting good, they bring another predictable episode.

Next episode could be interesting, though.
 
Apr 20, 2013 4:34 PM
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Ugh this episode is soooo boring and predictable.
Those teammates of Kaji are annoying as shit.Even they lost of their starts. I wish those two will lose.
Hope the yellow hair will beat them.
Kaji's strategies are quite dumb.
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Jun 25, 2014 8:59 PM

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If kaiji figured out someone bought out paper he shouldve played when scissors were still at 80 instead of waiting until 40. but why would kaiji suggest a death match when the other guy clearly only owns paper?
 
Aug 8, 2014 9:25 AM

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I wonder...

If Kaiji has all the remaining rocks and that other group has all the remaining papers, aren't they both screwed if one of them decides not to play at all? In this case, it would be Kajij refusing, since he only has the losing cards and could at least bring the enemy group down with him. And yet sir blond guy is pretty confident about his case regardless.
 
Jan 6, 2015 6:57 PM

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Kaiji should have just ditched the two when he got 3 stars.
Rock plan was stupid.
Kaiji must have something up his sleeve to challenge someone with only paper; he has to.

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May 4, 2015 4:19 PM

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Damn that plan got fucked fast xD. Andou and Furuhata are both dragging Kaiji down by the looks of it :P
 
May 6, 2015 3:41 PM

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Ugh two deadweights who panic and drag Kaiji down. Honestly Kaiji should have left them to their demising ends

 
Jun 15, 2015 5:53 PM

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I think this episode got a bit better. Kaiji stepped his game up a notch, but still left out a lot of concerns he overlooked. Anyone could tell they were discussing a plan by the way they were huddling together everywhere around the lobby, only to disappear into the restroom and have one person on the look for the count. The plan wasn't too bad, but they should've dealt with the secrecy problem from the very start. That could've also spared them some time to realize another person was buying out rocks.
 
Oct 20, 2015 5:25 PM

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Well, that was pretty clever at the end. Of course, he have no guarantee that the other guy will play all his stars. But if that guy lose one star, he'll definitely want to try to get it back. Then, if he lose another one, he'll feel like he got fooled, so he'll try end, until he lose all its star. I don't think that the next episode title despair is for Kaiji, but instead for that new guy.

Anyway, they had a fine strategy. But it was really relying too much on one factor. Also, his teamate really drag him down. It's not very cool, but he should dump them as soon as possible. What am I even saying? It's because of the fucking green shirt guy that he's in this shit anyway. Not only he should dump him, but he should get his damn star too.
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Dec 3, 2015 6:27 AM

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Things got really messed up.

I think kaiji should have ditched those two retards since he won two games against that other guy.
 
Feb 25, 2016 2:01 AM

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Ugh two deadweights who panic and drag Kaiji down. Honestly Kaiji should have left them to their demising ends

Yep, just screwing him over time after time.
 
Jul 27, 2016 8:56 AM

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So they won 1 star right? his friend are so fool
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Aug 21, 2017 9:58 PM

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Once they found out who was buying all the paper, couldn't Kaiji and the group just challenge anyone else, who would most likely have scissors?
Still, really interesting how the strategist protagonist's plan bombs, just from a simple lack of thinking.
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Aug 28, 2017 5:29 PM

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He gave them his stars and they gave them away again... Jeez, those morons sure can't stick to the plan '^'

His plan was almost a sure win if only someone else didn't think of the same trick, which was unlikely considering the conniving weasels all around the room. It'd be easier if they played against those who only have scissor cards because of the hoarding but a squareoff between the two parties who masterminded the plot sounds more intense.
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Sep 24, 2017 3:08 AM

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i'm expecting kaiji to have bought some scissors...

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Sep 30, 2017 2:42 AM

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His plan didn't work.
Andou and Furuhata are too easy to trick.
 
Nov 13, 2017 4:32 PM

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Damn, despair and solutions, not necessarily in the same order haha. It seems Kaiji is pretty much fucked up and I'm quite curious to know what happens then. Still hooked. 5/5
 
Dec 2, 2017 10:34 PM

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i'm far too sleepy to write much more than this, but this anime really does make you feel the despair of the situation. i wished that he would have just taken the two stars for himself as safe keeping, those two are too easily penetrated by their own emotions - after all, they are the normal humans out of that group. the disappearing scissors, the paper group, ah it would truly have been an overwhelming winning strategy if the paper group had not existed.
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Mar 6, 2018 3:36 AM

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They plan didn't work out and the situation became even worse. The feeling of being in Danger in this show is so strong.
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