Monogatari Series: Second Season
Will Monogatari: Second Season surpass Bakemonogatari?
| She IS my only Anime crush that I seek personalities like her's in real life to date and love. It's natural that I miss her. But not for much longer...She'll be back... |
BitterDonuts said: Grouchio said: She IS my only Anime crush that I seek personalities like her's in real life to date and love. It's natural that I miss her. But not for much longer...She'll be back... Lol. A month (Or two is?) a f**king long period. At least that how I see it. She'll be back in the next episode. |
mugi said: I can't wait for people's reaction to a certain scene.. The Opening scene? :D |
mugi said: I can't wait for people's reaction to a certain scene.. there are many good scenes in Koi. |
| People give a shit about things like this? Go figure. Probably, maybe, I dunno. I don't care (but was nice enough to post that I don't) anyway. |
| Number two? Shit. |
Grouchio said: mugi said: I can't wait for people's reaction to a certain scene.. The Opening scene? :D |
| WHERE IS THAT TRAILER ALREADY~! |
| In terms of sales, 2nd season will probably reach 1st season, but probably not top it. I'm waiting till this is done airing first. |
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| I get that you guys read the novels but come on, every other thread you turn into a spoiler fest. Okay, you read the novels, I feel happy for you but please don't spoil or hint at stuff when the last major arc is literally 2 days away.... |
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| Yes, it already has. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| As long as I enjoy it I don't really care :) |
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| I think it did just now. THAT BLOODY DISGUISE SLAYS ME!!! |
| Yes, because more Shinobu. |
| wow, wrong thread. |
destructo22Nov 24, 2013 5:35 AM
Luxanna said: Yes, because more Shinobu. No. |
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Luxanna said: YesYes, because more Shinobu. |
skudoops said: So far I'm enjoying it more than Bake, Neko and way way way way more than Nise. Also, how is this labelled ecchi? I think it has even less fanservice than Bake and it's definitely better timed. It is ecchi.That it is less ecchi than Bake doesnt mean it isnt ecchi. ninja'd |
skudoops said: Also, how is this labelled ecchi? I think it has even less fanservice than Bake and it's definitely better timed. Yeah I know, I find it a bit annoying but MAL genre tags were never accurate. |
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mugi said: mbdsquad said: mugi said: Ecchi isn't actually a genre though. How come? Please elaborate. Nevermind. I am just nit picky. >Less ecchi doesn't mean 'no' ecchi. But going by that logic, every movie with nudity would be an erotic movie, if it's a sex scene on top of that, it would make it a porn movie. Neko SHirou with Hanekawa and Hitagi had them undressing,posing half naked,and a fabulous "yuri" scene in the bath.It's one thing to have a nude scene and another to do it for no reason.Then there is Mayoi's flip skirt,and Araragi kissing lolis.Ecchi isnt only pantsu and half naked girls. |
mugi said: Ecchi usually refers to porn or sexual explicit material in japan, and even that has often been replaced by "ero". If the creator or publisher labels it as ecchi then go ahead and call it like that but only because MAL or people with their own definition think this and that makes it ecchi doesn't mean it belongs to a label that usually refers to porn. Isnt ecchi anything erotic except sexual intercourse? I am sure that I havent seen anywhere, any hentai labeled ecchi as well. |
| Derailed topic is derailed. Ecchi is just a abbreviation of Hentai, which is 'H'. Japanese pronounce the word/letter as 'ecchi' in their broken slang, and that is a fact. Ecchi, hentai, ero all are the same genre in japan though. It is when it comes down to westerners, they differentiate those stuff by those names by their own logic. They are never meant to be that different in Japan, at all. |
mugi said: You will rarely find a someone using "hentai" to label something. A hentai game would be a pervert's game not a porn game. But yes off topic, like most of this thread. And that is why they are called eroge. |
mugi said: "More Senjougahara","It is the Original","Better OPs","No vampire lolis"yukaru00 said: mugi said: You will rarely find a someone using "hentai" to label something. A hentai game would be a pervert's game not a porn game. But yes off topic, like most of this thread. And that is why they are called eroge. And that's what I wrote in the blog post. Aynway, MSS better than Bake. But seriously, I don't understand why Bake is held up so high. Just some of the "reasons" I see around. My opinion on it?It just happened. |
mugi said: yukaru00 said: mugi said: You will rarely find a someone using "hentai" to label something. A hentai game would be a pervert's game not a porn game. But yes off topic, like most of this thread. And that is why they are called eroge. And that's what I wrote in the blog post. Aynway, MSS better than Bake. But seriously, I don't understand why Bake is held up so high. People's perception.Well, most of them are just watching the show. Some of them watch the show and analyzes the content quality and some of them just take the show for entertainment purposes. Can't blame them much though. Bake got its flaws, so do MSSS. To me, content consistency-wise, Bake successfully pwned MSSS; Plot development-wise, MSSS wins the spot. |
| When they say original I guess they mean that Bake was something new and the sequels arent anymore, and for Shinobu she wasnt really active in Bake,she was just there. I still remember Yumekichi's reactions when she first appeared in Nise.Of course that was Yumekichi we are talking about so..... I am not sure if I can say which season is better.I can only say which character arc was better than its previous one and even then there are parts in each arc that wont let me decide. Only exception is Nadeko's arcs.Nadeko Medusa was 1000 times better. And remember.Nise was "full of ecchi fanservice" something that Bake lacked so it isnt as good. |
ssjokgNov 25, 2013 6:41 AM
| Except that the criticism,I am talking about, isnt about the story, but the fanservice that,for them, somehow first appeared in Nise. |
mugi said: So I don't think people saying Bake is better are really fair, or remember much of it. Hmm, I would call that a risky and slightly hypocritical statement. As with everything else, people can have different opinions on the matter of which part of the series being the best - and while I may never truly be able to understand people, who enjoy Nise more than Bake (for example), I still have to acknowledge their opinion. After all: Why would my opinion be worth more than theirs?^^ With regard to the topic at hand: I only watched Bakemonogatari about one month ago (followed by the other parts right after), so memory should still serve me relatively well. Still - in my list, I ranked Bake with a "10", while none of the other parts made it beyond an "8" (though of course the score for second season isn't final yet). "How could anyone do something as atrocious as that?!", you may ask. I will try to make my standpoint clear. So why did I enjoy Bakemonogatari so much, that it would become the only "masterpiece"-rated anime on my list? Well, for me it boils down to 2 characteristics: "Artsiness" (though I know everyone will call me pretencious and want to flay me alive for this) and Uniqueness. So in what ways do these characteristics manifest themselves? "Artsiness": For the sake of the argument, I would like to apply a wider definition of the term "art" than one normally would, when refering to anime (as in art=animation). A wide array of different aspects of and stylisitc devices used in the anime would pertain to this wider classification - including, but not limited to: the use of and commentary on different art styles (especially Lichtenstein's and Warhol's pop art in form of Benday dots and colour alienation), use of short video sequences (, which I personally thought was brilliant), display of "text-only"-scenes, the great character interactions and dialogues, wordplay, imagery, view point (character lens), symbolism and many more. Arguably, most of these were at their respective peaks in Bakemonogatari. This was, where the animation was the most imaginative, the dialogues the most focussed, sharp and witty (mostly Senjougahara) and symbolism and imagery the most predominant. While Shinobu was able to preserve some of the dialogues' greatness in Nise, in MSSS she, too, was a bit more on the ordinary side. And while Nise had the higher production values and a more coherent overarching theme (fake vs. real), I still felt like overall the team didn't venture far beyond the regualar "Shaft-level" in terms of creativity of animation (plus, the fan-service kind of killed it for me, too. So... meh^^). Overall, after Bakemonogatari, there was a noticable decay in almost all aspects, which constituted its "artsiness" and a large proportion of its charm to me. Uniqueness: Well, in many ways, Bakemonogatari's uniqueness kind of represents a consequence of the aforementioned aspects rather than a a characteristic in its own right, but I still think this is an important point to talk about. This is because I think, that together with its artsiness, the monogatari series also lost a lot of its uniqueness after Bakemonogatari. Why? Because what is left, when you take the artsy proportion out of the monogatari series is an anime series with above-par animation, good charakter- and admittedly great plot-development (--> MSSS). But, hyberbolically speaking, this is something, which I can find in quite a long list of anime and which (to me) is not (or should not be) the intrinsic focal point of the monogatari series anime. Anyways, this is just my opinion. As an arts and literature enthusiast, I like to analyse and interpret anime series (if there is room for that) and in this respect, Bakemonogatari provides as much (if not more) food for thought, as many works of world literature regarded as "classics", though I may be setting it on too high a pedestal here. And yet... I don't need anyone to agree to my viewpoint, nor do i need anyone to convince me otherwise. As Senjogahara would say: Its just another perspective and there is no way to know, which is the right one :). |
| @MrPrinceSanji; You missed the point that some of forumers here voicing out their opinions not just basing by the anime standpoint as some of them here do read the novels/source materials and sometimes making comparison out of both material. @mugi for example. Yes, that may be his/her opinion but not all of you here are aware that sometimes the original source material giving out better plot and character development than the anime series--putting aside the art produced by Shaft. Anyhow, I do respect your opinion. You are one of the forumers here whose giving out reasonable opinion based on your analysis. |
| @mugi and yukaru00: Actually, after reading your posts, I am able to understand your perspective a lot better! Naturally, as a reader of the light novel, you would be slightly put off by the non-canon surreal elements implemented by Shaft and of course your focus would lie a lot more on the characters and plot you came to love. But, only having seen the anime and although my focus is gradually shifting in the same direction as the series progresses, I cant help but set different priorities - or one additional priority, if you will, lieing in its artistic claim. Still, as i said, i wouldnt want that notion to be reduced to "just" the shaft-style animation, as that wouldnt do justice to Nisio Isins amazing work in any way. Rather, I would have that term encompass a much wider range of elements, which I cant be asked to list here again (also i wont in order to not bore everyone reading this to death :D). Instead, I will try to elaborate on it one final time by employing the example of my favourite arc: My favourite arc to date still is Hitagi Crab, just because it all came together so perfectly. The three-way analogy likening Senjougahara to a crab both in terms of character (tough outer shell, soft core, only ever able to move sideways, never forwards, timid, yet belligerent) and physical appearance (stapler representing pincers) and the crab itself to a god through wordplay (kani/kami) was a brilliant feat in my opinion. Then, of course, there was the physical weight/ psychological weight connection, which, though not overly complex nor never thought of before, completly took me by surprise and left me completly in awe once I finally got it. Add to this the iconic "falling down the stairs"-scene, the verbal abuse, the at this point strongly pronounced surrealism and the visually inspiring Senjogahara family flashback and you've got yourself one hell of an arc. Nonetheless - while I guess the visuals and animation were one part of my enjoyment of this arc, what surely struck me the most and still resonates with me was the intelligence and brilliance of it all. And for me, that notion neither required great characters, nor an extraordinary plot (though I still love the development of these elements in MSSS!) - just the symphonic interplay of dialogue, animation and intelligently applied stylistic devices :). @skudoops: Actually, I enjoyed Nadeko Medusa a lot, too - especially as a character study. Also in general, I strongly believe, that the psychological aspect is one of the Monogatari Serie's greatest assets. Sometimes it makes me wonder, if not the whole story revolving around apparitions can be seen as a metaphor for the human psyche. Love, envy, sloth, hate, stress, repression - the apparitions are the metaphysical manifestations for the at times devastating side effects of these (supressed) emotions. "The spirits, which i called, I can't rid myself of them anymore" analogous translation of a famous line in a poem by Goethe :) ... and now enough of me rambling on along tangents. What it all comes down to: I love the monogatari series, and the part I enjoyed most was Bakemonogatari. Enough said :D |
MrPrinceSanjiNov 26, 2013 6:44 AM
| mugi, I dub thee Lord Killjoy. I want my worship of this glorious series protected at all costs. It cured me of depression, and helped me get asked out to prom! |
| S2 wins because Shinobu actually is a big part of everything now. |
| Hitagi's End is the best animated arc so far. |
"Children of Japan. And those who were once children. Listen! This is not a dream. This is not fiction. In reality, your superheroes were always fighting. To teach viewers courage and the meaning of justice! No matter how many enemies there are. No matter how strong evil is. Just remember. Does any another country have so many heroes? Has any another country been protected by multiple superheroes? Stand with me, friends! Remember when you used to watch your superheroes! Once you may have given up this dream. But today, you can be a hero!" - Kaname Jouji , Red Axe |
Grouchio said: She IS my only Anime crush that I seek personalities like her's in real life to date and love. It's natural that I miss her. But not for much longer...She'll be back... After seeing her cried for the sake of Araragi ... Senjougahara for eternity <3 |
"Children of Japan. And those who were once children. Listen! This is not a dream. This is not fiction. In reality, your superheroes were always fighting. To teach viewers courage and the meaning of justice! No matter how many enemies there are. No matter how strong evil is. Just remember. Does any another country have so many heroes? Has any another country been protected by multiple superheroes? Stand with me, friends! Remember when you used to watch your superheroes! Once you may have given up this dream. But today, you can be a hero!" - Kaname Jouji , Red Axe |
| For me it has already surpassed it unless this final arc somehow disappoints or doesn't end well. In all honesty, three of the arcs from this season have been better and I have liked more than any arc is the previous two seasons aside from the Kanbaru Monkey arc (which is still lower than 2 of these). The last arc with the darkeness and Shinobu's back story was amazing and had such a bittersweet end. It even got me to shed a few tears. Also Tsubasa Tiger and the Mayoi time travel arc were very very good as well. I've been so impressed and happy to see how good Monogatari is playing out. |
| "Relying on someone, helping each other out, and supporting each other. Most would say that's the right thing to do. However, that's just idealistic. In reality, someone always gets the short end of the stick" http://p1.i.ntere.st/3b9596c6911c1c6844478fe7ace4e887_480.jpg |
| This would be a really easy choice if not for the recap episodes |
davidfresh said: What does the series' quality have to do with the airing schedule?This would be a really easy choice if not for the recap episodes |
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