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Feb 18, 2018 5:23 AM
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every part breaking away!!! are they gonna be together??
 
Mar 15, 2018 4:31 PM

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Loooooooooved this episode, the bear santa thing was *adorable*, and Taiga finally, finally realizes her feelings for Ryuuji, thank god Minorin saw that and backed out, Taiga and Ryuugi belong together! Hopefully it will happen soon.

Also the parrot kills me every time, and Ami and Taiga singing together was priceless.
 
May 25, 2018 10:47 AM

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Bittersweet. .. So I cried when they sang together when Santa appeared and also when Taiga started to cry. This show kills me. I'm definitely going to read the light novel.
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Oct 9, 2018 7:12 PM

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A fond memory of this episode was half the reason I decided to rewatch Toradora!. It’s one of the best Christmas episodes I’ve seen in anime. I remembered the singing and the bear but I didn’t recall Taiga’s realization at the end.

Great stuff. I’ve been looking forward to this episode for awhile and it didn’t disappoint.

I feel like this was the climax of the show in some respects. I doubt Ryuugi will have quite as emotional of a realization as Taiga, so while there may be later climaxes I’m thinking of this as falling action overall from this point onward.
 
 
Jan 3, 2019 11:26 AM

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That Santa Bear scene was pretty great. Ryuuji would make a good furry.
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May 11, 2019 10:50 AM

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Haruta is really annoying. Please, leave.

My boy Ryuuji looks so great in a suit.

Everything else was predictable. Bad arc except for Taiga scenes.
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May 26, 2019 1:51 AM

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I am hating this show, but I will watch it till the end to give it a proper score.
 
Jun 2, 2019 7:38 PM

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notsomacho said:
Am I missing something? When did she start liking Ryuuji?


yep u are missing something, she had feeli gs for him kittle bit sins ep2 when she ttied to confess to kitamura but what came out said she likes ryu slightly, she has slowly falling for him sins beginning talk about blind 😊

not to mention when he nearly drown and she yelled stay awy from my ryu
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Jun 14, 2019 11:38 PM
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Before I get into my rant below: I must say that Ami and Taiga this episode were so adorable, I loved looking at them, such great artwork on the eyes and just the general face and lighting, such good work.

Damn, my girl Taiga doesn't get an episode alone and she runs out into the street crying.

That's some real petty selfish shit I am sorry.

I get missing Ryuji, but Taiga's selfishness was so high, she didn't even want to see Minorin and Ryuji hanging out, she just broke down instantly.

At least Ryuji saw Kitamura and Taiga hang out and not break down, Taiga is different I guess.

Rip Ami, I already said my discussions about her in the last episode but what can you do, girl is getting ignored, such a pain I feel so bad for her, she is the one in this story that needs an anime for her where she is the love interest, Ruji legit can't understand a single word she is saying as his mind is only on Taiga.

And not to be rude, but how do these damn users on this discussion not know that Taiga and Ryuji already like each other? I don't want to be offensive, but how did you get miss this?

They hang out EVERY EPISODE, TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING, WALK EVERYWHERE, how do people miss this?

Did people forget the:
"Pool Confession?"
"Taiga confessing to Kitamura but talking about Ryuji?"
"Taiga not wanting to let Ryjiu go on the trip alone with Ami?"
"Ryuji missing Taiga after she leaves?"
"Ryuji and Taiga bonding?"
"Ryuji making Food for Taiga daily?"

Like truly how do people miss this?
 
Jul 2, 2019 7:57 PM

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silky heart>pre-parade
Can’t change my mind


 
 
Jul 22, 2019 12:28 PM

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The ending of this series will either make people love or hate the show, I can feel it. There's no in-between.
 
Sep 23, 2019 1:04 PM

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Probably an unpopular opinion (not gonna read the thread to avoid spoilers for what's ahead) but Taiga really annoys me. Makes Ryuji look at her fawning over another guy the whole series, only to get selfish now she can't have him. Fuck off.
 
Nov 30, 2019 10:23 AM

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Was that really a rejection? In my opinion Minori said pretty much nothing at all and just left in the middle of the conversation. Funny enough it seems like Ami is the most honest person at this point lol
 
Jan 3, 2020 5:08 AM
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Minorin... No...

I want Minorin x Ryuji T_T

Don't sacrifice yourself like that, Minorin...
 
Jan 3, 2020 2:38 PM

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stupid love triangles...

but maybe Ryuuji and Ami would better pair and Taiga with Yuusaku,
Minori is too childish and beside being nice to Taiga she is self centered the most...

ami would be really great pair for Ryuuji .... and it is going on since first eps with her when Ryuuji ignored her and treated her differently than others around her. This would be true love but I don't see any of the endings... this anime will end with s.... bad ending

it is like the new opening... ami and minori passing each other and then taiga and ryu passing each other also no one will be happy in the end... just another stupid highschool love...
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Jan 6, 2020 2:08 PM
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OK, so I'm completely lost. Taiga suddenly realizes she loves Ryuuji? But is it actually love or just a dependency because she has no family she needs him to fill that role? Is that what Ami is implying and she realizes how much Ryuuji is amazing and is in love with him, but her pride won't let her confess?

And Minori...I don't understand where her depression suddenly came from a few episodes ago; did something happen off screen where she believed Ryuuji and Taiga actually loved each other, so even though she loves them both she will sacrifice herself to not be with them so they can be with each other?

All these people loving each other, but not loving back because someone else they believe loves them...it's a little messed up.

I might just die if Kitamura reconfesses his love to Taiga and she shoots him down for Ryuuji.
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Jul 17, 2020 6:19 PM
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Oh my god... I love Kitamura in his Santa costume.
 
Aug 10, 2020 11:55 AM
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Wasabi said:
Ugh looks like a TaigaxRyuuji is inevitable. That sucks ass.

Still hoping TaigaxRyuuji would get ripped apart and a reverse plot twist and Ami or Minorin gets back into the picture.


HELL YEAH this is my last hope about the plot, otherwise it's not an 10/10 from me :(
Such close relationship shouldn't have gone romantic.
 
Aug 16, 2020 8:40 AM

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the fact is unavoidable... let's see how their friendship and romance develop during the next study semester.
 
 
Sep 8, 2020 12:41 PM

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Sadaemon said:
Wasabi said:
Ugh looks like a TaigaxRyuuji is inevitable. That sucks ass.

Still hoping TaigaxRyuuji would get ripped apart and a reverse plot twist and Ami or Minorin gets back into the picture.


HELL YEAH this is my last hope about the plot, otherwise it's not an 10/10 from me :(
Such close relationship shouldn't have gone romantic.


Would have been a top anime if they kept their relationship platonic and very original. Second time watching this anime i am wondering why i gave it a 4 score i remember hating the ending.
 
 
Sep 28, 2020 3:04 AM
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I'm surprised at how much of a reputation this episode has for being controversial. At some point Taiga was going to end up realising she was into Ryuji and that was handled fairly well. It is consistent with her personality not to realise how much she cares about someone until she ruins something. The only thing that was off was Minorin seeing Taiga losing it. Minorin has had like 5 conversations with Ryuji and he's never cracked any jokes or shown he's not shy as hell around her, so it would make sense that she would reject him whether or not she saw Taiga upset. Having said that it seems like they're trying to make it look like Minorin liked Ryuji which makes no sense.

Anyway, for all the hype for that party they barely spent like an hour there.
 
Oct 17, 2020 9:46 AM

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Ryuji pretending to be Santa for Taiga was the sweetest thing. Seriously, it was so adorable my heart was filled with warmth and joy >w<

And then Taiga losing it while Minori was watching... LOVED IT! 5/5 my favorite episode so far
 
Oct 21, 2020 1:31 PM

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This episode was quite an intense emotional rollercoaster. I would lie if I said I didn't smile when I saw Taiga all happy with "Santa Claus", and that I didn't feel very sad at the end.
But. Feelings aside, I can't help but still be bothered by the way Taiga and Ryuuji are written.

First, Taiga. I think I figured what really annoys me about her (aside from her violence that fortunately seems to be gone). It is that the drama is always forced, and the show tries to make it look like her life is way tougher than it really is. Okay, her parents neglected her and that's awful. But why does the show tell me that she's always been all alone until Ryuuji came ? That's not true. That's not true, because Minori exists. Minori, who is just as much of a caring friend as Taiga is. And for Minori to exist for Taiga as a friend, that obviously means they befriended each other. So they can't even tell me that Taiga rejected everyone. If that was the case, Minori wouldn't be there right now.

Plus, I'm starting to get tired of Taiga being portrayed as a poor girl who keeps sacrificing herself. I don't forget what she did before. I can't forget that she's been a bully. Even with a tragic backstory, a bully is a bully. I just want for the show to aknowledge that, to aknowledge that her lack of social skills isn't the real issue here. The issue is that she hurt others because she was hurting. That's not okay, and what happened with Kano is enough to prove it.
And furthermore, this self-sacrificing nature is exaggerated and doesn't make much sense if you really think about it.
Because on one hand, she's portrayed as someone who acts mean and violent on the outside in an attempt to protect herself, even if it means rejecting everyone.
On the other hand, she's portrayed as an incredibly caring person who lets every opportunity slip away from her because she spends too much time trying to make others happy (and no, Christmas has nothing to do with it, she's always been portrayed that way).
She actually can be both, but absolutely not to such a degree. As good-natured as she is, it's not possible for her to have developed such a caring personality if nothing in her life ever made her develop that. If the show wants me to believe that her life is horrible and she's always been alone, it cannot tell me that her self-sacrificing behaviour makes sense. It really doesn't.
And anyway, as I said it is too exaggerated and is even badly explored. For exemple, remember that race Ryuuji and Minori ran just to show Taiga she wasn't alone ? Remember how they both literally fought against the other guys just to be with her ? And remember how, when seeing them do that, Taiga started a monologue about how she was alone but that was okay ? And remember how she didn't even dance with Ryuuji and instead just isolated herself until Kitamura came ? Welp, I'm salty over that.

And now about Ryuuji. I'm having such conflicted feelings about him. I like him, what he did for Taiga was adorable, but he can be a real jerk at times. He actually promised Minori he'd wait for her, and then he just decided not to wait for her, then has been forced by Taiga to go, and then decided not to go because he forgot his present. Okay, he was worried about Taiga, but he completely forgot about Minori and that's not okay. That's why his hero complex is particularly annoying, he makes it look like he can be there for everyone but the facts show he cannot, and he is even ready to abandon someone without even realizing it. If he can't keep his promise, he shouldn't have made it to start with.
And to make it even worse, when Minori finds him in the street (which incidentally showed her he didn't wait for her) and tells him in her own awkward way that she is afraid of building a relationship, his only reaction is to depress over the fact that he's been rejected ? If this guy is apparently the one you can always rely on, why can't he notice right-away how much Minori is suffering and how the issue isn't about him but about her ?!

When it comes to Minori though, I'm caring more and more about her. I still wonder what has really made her become so depressed and I wait for it to be explained, but I really do feel bad for her. She's clearly not okay, and she is unable to express it correctly. And not only that, but now she also knows that Taiga is deeply hurting because of her.
Please stop tormenting my silly girl.

In the end Minori and Ami really are my favorite characters, simply because they're the two that feel the most real in their behaviour. I'm just looking forward to some explanation regarding Minori and more development for Ami.
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Dec 24, 2020 7:14 AM

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This is the third time that I'm watching this specific episode of Toradora for the celebration of Christmas Eve.

I can never forget the scene where Taiga and Ami singed together in the stage with Holy Night. And of course the moment between Ryuuji dressed as a Santa and Taiga in her house. Ofc the point where Taiga realized his love for Ryuuji, I don't cry to that no more. But I do admit when "Lost in Pieces" hits in, it can really make my eye tear up given the right punch.

So that's it for me, this episode is still good even after 6 months. And hopefully I can still rewatch the whole show next year.

Merry Christmas, fellow weebs. May you enjoy the holiday season and hope you're safe and maybe stuck watching anime for protection.
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Dec 24, 2020 6:11 PM

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raiderublaze said:
This is the third time that I'm watching this specific episode of Toradora for the celebration of Christmas Eve.

I can never forget the scene where Taiga and Ami singed together in the stage with Holy Night. And of course the moment between Ryuuji dressed as a Santa and Taiga in her house. Ofc the point where Taiga realized his love for Ryuuji, I don't cry to that no more. But I do admit when "Lost in Pieces" hits in, it can really make my eye tear up given the right punch.

So that's it for me, this episode is still good even after 6 months. And hopefully I can still rewatch the whole show next year.

Merry Christmas, fellow weebs. May you enjoy the holiday season and hope you're safe and maybe stuck watching anime for protection.


You watch it in sub? I personally find the dub fo Toradora to be extremely HQ and rewatching it in a different language can bring more rewatch value.
 
Dec 24, 2020 6:15 PM

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You watch it in sub? I personally find the dub fo Toradora to be extremely HQ and rewatching it in a different language can bring more rewatch value.


I haven't tried the DUB yet of Toradora. Maybe if I have the interest to watch the whole show for the 3rd time, I think I'll watch it on Eng Dub. I tried it before with FranXX and it was decent.
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