| I'm a huge fan of Neon Genesis Evangelion. I liked the original, loved the End of Evangelion. I thought 1.0 was very good and 2.0 was fucking brilliant. I've read alot about how 3.0 is very inferior compared to the others. Let me know your opinions on the subject. Is 3.0 really that bad or is it still a good watch that wouldn't ruin the amazing feeling 2.0 left me with? P.S. No spoilers please |
DeusAnimaOct 6, 2013 1:41 AM
| The reason why people dislike 3.0 is because it's confusing, characters do "non-logical/stupid" decisions and it doesn't give answers. (Though, I'm 100% sure that we get answers in 4.0) Many people usually miss the whole point of this masterpiece. Main points of this film are: -Life doesn't always goes the way you like. Even if your intentions were good, but end results weren't what you wanted/were bad, you still have to deal with it, and only option is to learn (From your mistakes) and move on. -Accepting consequences. -Taking responsibility. -"Shounen attitude" does not work. -Learning how the world/people work(s). -Expanding your world view. -To understand other people, being less self-centered, taking other people's opinions and thoughts into account. I think that nobody can "like" this film. The feel you get while watching this film is almost like watching EoE for the first time. So, IMO the overall message of rebuilt is obviously growing up (Though, it's done using extreme ways :P) and the stuff i mentioned earlier. |
EVAMAAKU14Oct 14, 2013 12:34 PM
| I watched it today and I found it amazing. It was incredibly confusing, but it was a great experience. It's definitely worth watching. |
| I recently watched it and don't understand the low scores. Maybe it was because I had low expectations when watching it, but it got a 10/10 from me, being the best Evangelion movie yet. Now I'm just sad I have to freeze myself in cryo-sleep to not go crazy waiting for 4.0 lol. I was especially surprised at how satisfying the ending was even though there is still one more movie to come. I was certain it was going to end badly. :) Well, looking at some comments about it, it seems like people weren't happy about it leaving so many unanswered questions. But that's why there is one more movie to come. This one was like a bridge from 2.0's pretty "big" ending to the last ending of the series. EDIT: Actually EVAMAAKU summed my thoughts on this whole series xd |
cupcOct 13, 2013 10:59 AM
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| I gave it a 6/10 for now. Too confusing to be enjoying in my opinion. I do acknowledge that the movie was probably setting up for the fourth film. Once the fourth film is out, depending on how well the questions were answered and everything was tied together, I'll probably re watch the third film and re rate it as well. |
| no it wasnt bad it just became the real evangelion. mindfucks and all. |
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| People consider it bad because it is not as well executed as the first two movies (now there are those that think it was done as is for a concrete purpose other than usual NGE bullshit, after 4.0 we will be able to reevaluate that thought for truth), but with that said it still is a good movie. It is kind of trapped in the a bad sibling role to its "older brothers" because even though 3.0 is a successful businessman, 1.0 is a brain surgeon and 2.0 is a nobel laureate. When compared to the other two films, it is a letdown even though it is still a good film. |
| I think this movie had to be like this because 4.0 it's going to be epic. Anyway, I really liked this movie, it isn't that bad just because it doesnt explain anything |
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| For me, it wasn't that it was confusing or anything...it was the characters. Some of the characters' behavior really, really annoyed me. I know some people say it's because of the situation they are in or whatever, but for me, it's soo bad it's beyond comprehension. I really can't blame Shinji for some of the stuff he does in this movie with how unreasonable some of the others were. I still think the movie is worth watching though (I mean, you already watched the first 2)....and it's not like I gave this a horrible score. The atmosphere is really well done in this movie. |
| My biggest problem with the film was that it spends too much time on action and spectacle rather than establishing it's characters and setting. Literally the first 30 minutes were nothing but spectacle. That ship taking off sequence followed by the angel attack went on for what felt like 20 minutes. Having a battle is fine, but in the first half-hour it gives us no reason for us to care about what's happening. We don't know who most of these people are, we don't know what they're fighting for. We know Misato, but she's a completely different character now who we don't even know, so we can't connect with her anymore. We know Asuka, but we don't know what her struggle is or what has happened to her since the incident with Unit-03. We know Mari, but she has even less of a presence than in the last film, so much so that you can take her completely out of it and nothing would change. It could've been a great opportunity to finally get to know her character, but we still know nothing about her. In the other films and the show we knew about these characters and what they were going through, what exactly was at stake, and what they had to lose. Here, there's no tension whatsoever because we barely know them or what they're going through, because the movie spends way more time showing off its action scenes then it does actually establishing its characters, giving it's battle scenes no weight. And after that, you never see any of these characters again until that last 20-minute battle at the very end, so we still don't know anything about them. If you're gonna change the story this drastically, you better do a good job at easing your audience in, but this just throws us into it without warning. Maybe the point is to make us feel as alienated as Shinji, but the show and the other films gave us all the character's perspectives, not just Shinji. Also, the movie feels way too short, with again, 2/3 of the movie being spectacle. Hell, it really feel like half a movie, honestly. It almost feels unfair to criticise this movie because I feel like I have to wait for the second half of the film to come out. Hell, perhaps this film will make complete sense when put together with the final film. Maybe that's the intent. It's also pretty obvious that this went through some serious rewrites. I mean, the preview scenes from the end of the second film are nowhere in the movie. I'd love to see the behind-the-scenes features on this just to see what the hell happened, and it would probably be more interesting than the movie. There are a few things I did like, though. I thought Shinji's and Kaworu's relationship was done very well, and is the only thing the movie actually fleshes out, and luckily it's one of the more important factors. Also, I thinl this is the first time in the entire series where you see Shinji and Kohzou interact with each other, and I like him telling everything about his mother to Shinji. I like seeing the rebuild movies finally getting to the depressing/mindfuck aspect that the series is best known for, and the film is certainly the bleakest of the Rebuild movies. Also, the soundtrack is fantastic, but other than that it's a deeply flawed and highly disappointing mess of a movie. I mean, I'd still buy it when it come to the US, just to complete the series, but I don't think I'd be watching it as frequently as the others. As it stands, it's The Dark Knight Rises of the series. Man, the final film has better be a goddamn masterpiece, otherwise in 20 more years they'd have to make a Re-rebuild series. Or perhaps a fifth movie to give the fans a final fuck you. Evangelion 5.0: You Can (Not) End. That would be fun. |
EVAMAAKU14 said: The reason why people dislike 3.0 is because it's confusing, characters do "non-logical/stupid" decisions and it doesn't give answers. (Though, I'm 100% sure that we get answers in 4.0) Many people usually miss the whole point of this masterpiece. Main points of this film are: -Life doesn't always goes the way you like. Even if your intentions were good, but end results weren't what you wanted/were bad, you still have to deal with it, and only option is to learn (From your mistakes) and move on. -Accepting consequences. -Taking responsibility. -"Shounen attitude" does not work. -Learning how the world/people work(s). -Expanding your world view. -To understand other people, being less self-centered, taking other people's opinions and thoughts into account. I think that nobody can "like" this film. The feel you get while watching this film is almost like watching EoE for the first time. So, IMO the overall message of rebuilt is obviously growing up (Though, it's done using extreme ways :P) and the stuff i mentioned earlier. I don't agree. The feeling I got while watching this was NOTHING like the feeling I got while watching EoE. When I watched EoE for the first time, I felt awed; it was like a well oiled machine in that even the pieces you couldn't see on the surface played a huge role, and the whole apparatus worked perfectly. THAT was EoE. The feeling I got while watching this, on the other hand, was one of utter disbelief. Here's an analogy: if EoE was like a well oiled machine, 3.0 was a machine with the insides torn out. It didn't even function on the surface, let alone tease other things behind the scenes. I don't hate 3.0 because I don't understand it. I hate it because it just doesn't work; it's a mess of a movie whose only merit is its visuals (which aren't even that good when compared to its predecessor, 2.0). So to answer the question: yes, it is that bad. |
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| My view is that it heavily relies on 4.0 to answer the billion questions it brings up. |
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Reaper71 said: I don't agree. The feeling I got while watching this was NOTHING like the feeling I got while watching EoE. When I watched EoE for the first time, I felt awed; it was like a well oiled machine in that even the pieces you couldn't see on the surface played a huge role, and the whole apparatus worked perfectly. THAT was EoE. The feeling I got while watching this, on the other hand, was one of utter disbelief. Here's an analogy: if EoE was like a well oiled machine, 3.0 was a machine with the insides torn out. It didn't even function on the surface, let alone tease other things behind the scenes. I don't hate 3.0 because I don't understand it. I hate it because it just doesn't work; it's a mess of a movie whose only merit is its visuals (which aren't even that good when compared to its predecessor, 2.0). So to answer the question: yes, it is that bad. The reason why 3.0 doesn't work is because 4.0 isn't out yet. The film simply doesn't work as a stand-alone. EoE works because it was the conclusion. |
EVAMAAKU14Nov 19, 2013 9:02 AM
| For me personally it was the most impactful eva movie to date, and the very opposite from "cliche". In Eva 3.0 we're placed in the mindset of shinji, the movie is confusing and unstructured just like shinji's mind, and I mean come on this was obviously done intentionally. The tone in this film is powerful and brooding, it's not a movie that's going to make you feel happy. And yes the character do things that seem to us as completely illogical, but guess what, people do that is real life! Just look at the dropping of the atomic bombs during world war II, to us in retrospect it seems completely absurd, but to the US at the time it seemed completely logical thanks to the warped mindset that the war had caused. Also from an art perspective it's absolutely beautiful, the first time where I've seen the mix of CG with 2D animation where it actually works really well. It has a very striking colour scheme, and incredible shot composition. There are some seriously beautiful images in this film. Overall I think eva 3.0 will be one of those films that many people hate initially but through the years but through the years people will start to realize it's genius. Yeah it's not perfect, but it takes big risks, and as a result becomes something truly unique. |
| 3.0 was the first rebuild that actually felt like an Evangelion movie and not like some hollywood action video clip. This is what NGE was good at. Confusing people and using suggestive religious themes. Showing surreal images of earth and the feeling of isolation. Hopelessness. It's all about the feeling of mindfuck, and I love it. That's why I gave it 10/10. |
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cupc said: 3.0 was the first rebuild that actually felt like an Evangelion movie and not like some hollywood action video clip. This is what NGE was good at. Confusing people and using suggestive religious themes. Showing surreal images of earth and the feeling of isolation. Hopelessness. It's all about the feeling of mindfuck, and I love it. That's why I gave it 10/10. ^+10 points. For me, 3.0 is the greatest film of all time. It even surpasses EoE. (Which used to be the best in my list) ^_^ |
EVAMAAKU14Nov 29, 2013 11:54 AM
EVAMAAKU14 said: cupc said: 3.0 was the first rebuild that actually felt like an Evangelion movie and not like some hollywood action video clip. This is what NGE was good at. Confusing people and using suggestive religious themes. Showing surreal images of earth and the feeling of isolation. Hopelessness. It's all about the feeling of mindfuck, and I love it. That's why I gave it 10/10. ^+10 points. For me, 3.0 is the greatest film of all time. It even surpasses EoE. (Which used to be the best in my list) ^_^ Will you still say that if 4.0 doesn't even touch upon the 15 year time gap and explain the dramatic changes in the characters? That's why my rating of it is pending on 4.0. |
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StillSwingin007 said: EVAMAAKU14 said: cupc said: 3.0 was the first rebuild that actually felt like an Evangelion movie and not like some hollywood action video clip. This is what NGE was good at. Confusing people and using suggestive religious themes. Showing surreal images of earth and the feeling of isolation. Hopelessness. It's all about the feeling of mindfuck, and I love it. That's why I gave it 10/10. ^+10 points. For me, 3.0 is the greatest film of all time. It even surpasses EoE. (Which used to be the best in my list) ^_^ Will you still say that if 4.0 doesn't even touch upon the 15 year time gap and explain the dramatic changes in the characters? That's why my rating of it is pending on 4.0. If 4.0 doesn't explain anything, then my opinion on 3.0 will most likely change. :D They HAVE to explain. (It would be ultimate storytelling failure if Anno doesn't explain) Even 30 minutes of explanation is more than enough. |
EVAMAAKU14Nov 30, 2013 5:21 AM
| I actually liked 3.0 over 2.0 I suppose I'm in the minority but there it is. |
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| I think it got low scores because it was so different. Nobody was expecting anything like this, not even with how different Eva2.0 was (also keeping in mind that Eva1.0 was the first 6 episodes of the series). In short: It's not bad, it's different. |
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| I thought it was great I never expected this show to mindfuck me again since the end of eva but the timeskip did it |
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| 1. Wunder action scene is the worst one in the whole Eva series. 2. Kaoru is keep-telling-settings-to-audience-while-completely-ignoring-Shinji-and-others nonsense in this. I'm holding off till the 4th movie, but bad parts are bad, nonetheless. |
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Nae_Gevurah said: I just finished 3.33, and ... I have mixed emotions. It's not "bad." It's... incomplete Exactly. |
| I pretty much hated this movie. Every is AMAZINGLY stupid. Biggest shock is that Shinji is NOT the dumbest one in the movie. No, that title goes to the bitch queen Misato and her second in command, Asuka. This whole movie could have been avoided if they just sat Shinji down and told him what the fuck was going on. But NO, we're just gonna be total jerks, tell him nothing, treat him like shit... and then be surprised when he defects. All they told him was basically "Because we say so!" 5 goddamn minutes, just FIVE! |
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| So, keeping in my hypocritical character, I am going against my word and seeing this film on the big screen next month. If only for the reason that I have only ever seen one other anime in a movie theater (Akira). |
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Narukami07 said: 1. It was longer then it should have been but not the worst. The reason for why the beginning of 3.0 and the whole Wunder thing is long, is because they were re-introducing the cast. Also, to some people here: 3.0's "plot holes" or "idiotic moments" are there because of poor communication. (Reasons are so logical and understandable) I'd suggest that you check out my thread (http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=640373&show=0#post1) before you post anything that would criticize 3.0. |
EVAMAAKU14Jan 6, 2014 11:14 PM
Narukami07 said: 2. You aren't making sense with this point, what? Look at what Kaoru is doing during the mission. He says 'oops two spears, something is wrong' and goes i-am-so-shocked mode, then mutters to himself for 10 minutes shoving all the oh-so-important-settings and glossaries up audience's ass. That's very Eva, but still very bad writing there. EVAMAAKU14 said: The reason for why the beginning of 3.0 and the whole Wunder thing is long, is because they were re-introducing the cast. It's not about the whole part, but the wunder vs. angel one. They tried hard to make it look decent, but failed miserably. |
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DawnJ said: It's not about the whole part, but the wunder vs. angel one. They tried hard to make it look decent, but failed miserably. The whole thing was executed fantastically and it looked great too. Well, that's just my opinion. |
EVAMAAKU14Jan 7, 2014 7:43 AM
EVAMAAKU14 said: DawnJ said: It's not about the whole part, but the wunder vs. angel one. They tried hard to make it look decent, but failed miserably. The whole thing was executed fantastically and it looked great too. Well, that's just my opinion. Yep, I think the scene with spears and Kaworu muttering to himself and soon after exploding to gibs was the highpoint, and the best moment of rebuilds to date. Kaworu's face was so well animated you could see he was really worried, and couldn't help but feel like you were Shinji sitting beside him, wondering what the f*ck is going on. |
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| Just watched it and I enjoyed it greatly. Sure, it was confusing as fuck, but since this is not the last movie, it makes perfect sense to me. |
| I thought it was pretty decent, I saw it in theaters a couple of weeks ago here in the US! If I were to rank the films : 1) 2.0 2) 3.0 3) 1.0 . I'll probably buy them all and rewatch them later, I know I saw 1.0 in normal dvd stores for a not too extravagant price (non-blu-ray). Personally I thought the End of Evangelion is the best film out of all the eva films so far, but just my opinion. Maybe I liked it so much because it was so much better than the original series ending, who knows.. |
midnightbladeJan 27, 2014 4:27 PM
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Heredity said: Yes, it really was that bad. It wasn't like I was even watching the same franchise for about 75% of the film. This isn't the movie for you |
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| When a movie spends about 20 minutes showing shitty CGI battleship sequences instead of properly using the time to develop the new setting, you can see that is isn't a good start. Evangelion was about character analysis, and even Anno said that the supposed religious symbolism in the TV series was meaningless, yet this movie throws character development and exposition in the garbage bin and shoves symbolism up your ass, this time trying to have a meaning. I knew nothing about the characters, they barely had any screentime aside from fighting sequences (there was almost 1 hour total of fights in this movie), they spent the entire time talking garbage about sins and shit like Shinji was the true reincarnation of Adolf Hitler, now multiplied by 100. Misato's new characterization falls flat, Asuka is only an action girl, the new Rei is dumb as bricks, Kaworu had more poignant scenes with 11 minutes in the TV series. Also, where the fuck is Kaji? what the fuck is SEELE? you know what, nothing of this matters because it's meaningless now, this entire movie was a waste of screentime with flashy scenes about almost nothing truly important. I'll say that the OST was good though, and it really was. |
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bekeru said: When a movie spends about 20 minutes showing shitty CGI battleship sequences instead of properly using the time to develop the new setting, you can see that is isn't a good start. Evangelion was about character analysis, and even Anno said that the supposed religious symbolism in the TV series was meaningless, yet this movie throws character development and exposition in the garbage bin and shoves symbolism up your ass, this time trying to have a meaning. I knew nothing about the characters, they barely had any screentime aside from fighting sequences (there was almost 1 hour total of fights in this movie), they spent the entire time talking garbage about sins and shit like Shinji was the true reincarnation of Adolf Hitler, now multiplied by 100. Misato's new characterization falls flat, Asuka is only an action girl, the new Rei is dumb as bricks, Kaworu had more poignant scenes with 11 minutes in the TV series. Also, where the fuck is Kaji? what the fuck is SEELE? you know what, nothing of this matters because it's meaningless now, this entire movie was a waste of screentime with flashy scenes about almost nothing truly important. I'll say that the OST was good though, and it really was. It did develop a new setting nicely and did it the Evangelion way, by shoving new questions to your ass. The conversations between characters (Especially Shinji and Kaworu) were surreal, and because of that, very unique. "Only in Evangelion" The new twist of Misato being angry to Shinji was natural, Shinji did destroy the world 14 years ago. It may have felt like a moment to us, to them it has been over a decade. Where is Kaji? Wtf is SEELE? It's nice to have some questions left for the LAST movie. This wasn't supposed to give answers to everything. Most Evangelion fans probably realize that the symbolism mostly has no meaning. If you like to think so, please stop. That's not the point of it, though. It's more about the emotions that the (At times meaningless) symbolism, quiet and long lasting weird, surreal scenes (e.g piano scene), and music awake. They did that for me, better than the last 2 rebuilds did, and because of that it's the best rebuild to date. |
cupcJan 29, 2014 2:15 AM
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| Those who left 3.0 thinking it was bad just because it was confusing should read this perspective. http://wrongeverytime.com/2014/02/10/once-more-with-fury-rebuilding-evangelion/ How much of this that is actually true is really left up to interpretation, but damn is this argument well defended. It only strengthens my opinion that Anno is one of the most brilliant minds the industry has ever seen. |
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