| Wonderful news. The ratings were good, so I think this is more about censorship than about monetary issues. I feel a bit bad for the kids that watched it on their weekends, though. They deserve to see the ending of the arc as well, do they air a cut version for them on Sunday? |
NidhoeggrSep 25, 2013 5:32 AM
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Nidhoeggr said: Wonderful news. |
| In terms of promotion and popularity, is this an upgrade or downgrade in Japan? |
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| Is the reason of the time-change because Madhouse decided to show the Chimera ant arc in a full uncensored version? |
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Josl said: Vogue- said: In terms of promotion and popularity, is this an upgrade or downgrade in Japan? Downgrade obviously. It changes from MORNING slot to one after midnight. Simple said, much less people will see it. The average rating right is 4.0. After the change in slime slot it will be something between 1.0 and 2.0 Maybe there'll be reruns in the daytime. Most televisions do that. |
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| Well that's kind of weird and not good for the ratings. And it's not like they held back on the violence to begin with, but whatever. Yeah it's either a lack of ratings that brought to this or complaints about the violence for a kids show (both of which are understandable, I guess). |
| So from this thread I take it that it is getting changed to a later time slot so it makes it less accessible to children and more to older teens/adults? Full glory indeed, that's great for us at least. Hope they won't lose much profit because of this switch Also, there's going to be a new ED with Yuzu again! Whoo http://www.capsulecomputers.com.au/2013/09/yuzu-and-hyadain-to-perform-another-hunter-x-hunter-song/ |
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| I've been putting this on hold so that I can marathon this arc all at once when it ends. This news just makes me more excited. |
| Mmmh I'm not very confident with this choice. I mean, the censorship will disappear, but the ratings will drastically drop. |
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| God I love Madhouse, this is great news. No holding back on the gore content in the manga. Good I'll be looking forward to this. |
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| FUCK YEAH!!!! LESS CENSORSHIP MORE GORE!!! but i am afraid from one thing... maybe the rating will drop and that will affect the animation quality... HxH has one of the best animation and art quality compared to all long running shonen. We don't want that to happedn |
| if that means they got freedom to animate at highest potential then its a damn good news . whatever the rating is, their quality is top notch and they should be able to continue it till the end. i just hope they never run out of budget for remaining invasion and election arcs ... otherwise to create ant arc to the perfection , fear of rating should not be a problem... |
| Bad news definitely. What makes people so positive that there'd be less censorship now? Are people that naive to think the time changes were for a more grown-up/full glory artistic reason!? Most midnight anime still censor heavily (ie: Attack on Titan). I'd say the amount of blood/violence shown right now in the past 97 episodes is exactly what you would still get from now on. This time slot change is most likely a case of "unprofitable" + "complaints". It's nothing but bad for business, Madhouse most likely will cut back on the budget for HxH now that it's been branded an unprofitable, ignored by mainstream show that's kicked to late night time slot. Most late night anime are otaku-based and relied heavily on otaku's purchasing on DVD/blu-ray and merchandises. HxH's sales of DVD/BD was always bad, and its merchandising/licensed products obviously aren't doing well also...so the show isn't making enough $$ to justify its morning mainstream time slot. So yeah now it got kicked to late night, and budget will be cut for sure and eventually fade to obscurity...expects to see a lower budget future episodes from now on. |
kcaco said: It's not the same thing. Attack on titan, even if it airs at midnight, is extremely popular. So, the productors take advantage from that and make censored tv version of the anime to increase the BD's sales. Instead, as you said, HxH is far less popular than AoT, and since the BD sales are bad they can show on tv everything they want. Bad news definitely. What makes people so positive that there'd be less censorship now? Are people that naive to think the time changes were for a more grown-up/full glory artistic reason!? Most midnight anime still censor heavily (ie: Attack on Titan). I'd say the amount of blood/violence shown right now in the past 97 episodes is exactly what you would still get from now on. This time slot change is most likely a case of "unprofitable" + "complaints". It's nothing but bad for business, Madhouse most likely will cut back on the budget for HxH now that it's been branded an unprofitable, ignored by mainstream show that's kicked to late night time slot. Most late night anime are otaku-based and relied heavily on otaku's purchasing on DVD/blu-ray and merchandises. HxH's sales of DVD/BD was always bad, and its merchandising/licensed products obviously aren't doing well also...so the show isn't making enough $$ to justify its morning mainstream time slot. So yeah now it got kicked to late night, and budget will be cut for sure and eventually fade to obscurity...expects to see a lower budget future episodes from now on. About the budget, this is not a problem: even if HxH is not as popular as the others mainstream shonen anime, all the people that watched it until now will continue to watch it even if it airs at midnight. I hope that you understood what i said, i'm italian and my english is not the best! |
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kcaco said: Are late-night-airing anime shows usually lower-budget, or something?Bad news definitely. What makes people so positive that there'd be less censorship now? Are people that naive to think the time changes were for a more grown-up/full glory artistic reason!? Most midnight anime still censor heavily (ie: Attack on Titan). I'd say the amount of blood/violence shown right now in the past 97 episodes is exactly what you would still get from now on. This time slot change is most likely a case of "unprofitable" + "complaints". It's nothing but bad for business, Madhouse most likely will cut back on the budget for HxH now that it's been branded an unprofitable, ignored by mainstream show that's kicked to late night time slot. Most late night anime are otaku-based and relied heavily on otaku's purchasing on DVD/blu-ray and merchandises. HxH's sales of DVD/BD was always bad, and its merchandising/licensed products obviously aren't doing well also...so the show isn't making enough $$ to justify its morning mainstream time slot. So yeah now it got kicked to late night, and budget will be cut for sure and eventually fade to obscurity...expects to see a lower budget future episodes from now on. |
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kcaco said: Bad news definitely. This time slot change is most likely a case of "unprofitable" + "complaints". It's nothing but bad for business, Madhouse most likely will cut back on the budget for HxH now that it's been branded an unprofitable, ignored by mainstream show that's kicked to late night time slot. Most late night anime are otaku-based and relied heavily on otaku's purchasing on DVD/blu-ray and merchandises. HxH's sales of DVD/BD was always bad, and its merchandising/licensed products obviously aren't doing well also...so the show isn't making enough $$ to justify its morning mainstream time slot. So yeah now it got kicked to late night, and budget will be cut for sure and eventually fade to obscurity...expects to see a lower budget future episodes from now on. So much pessimism and baseless assumptions in one post I'm blinded, it's honestly hard to tell right now whether the move is "good" or "bad" for the anime in the long run. We won't be able to say really until the anime has been running for 1 or 2 cour in the new slot What I can say is all the stuff you're saying about budget cuts is horse shit. Let me remind people shows that have aired in that late night NTV slot GITS: SAC- Sold discs Monster- Great TV ratings Kimi No Todoke- Manga Bump/TV Ratings Death Note- Sold Discs Kaiji- Great TV ratings/Live action movie promotion Chihayafuru S1- Manga Bump/Increased exposure of Karuta |
HybridMBLSep 25, 2013 3:12 PM
Hybridbloodszak said: Well kcaco is saying that it's never had good disc sales. We won't know how it does on the ratings for a while, so we don't know exactly how much they will fall. And most long running shows have the manga going at the same time which the anime boosts the sales of, it can't do that that much since the manga has been on hiatus. There's only so much the past volumes can sell while it's been airing for this long. And none of those shows you mentioned were long running.kcaco said: Bad news definitely. This time slot change is most likely a case of "unprofitable" + "complaints". It's nothing but bad for business, Madhouse most likely will cut back on the budget for HxH now that it's been branded an unprofitable, ignored by mainstream show that's kicked to late night time slot. Most late night anime are otaku-based and relied heavily on otaku's purchasing on DVD/blu-ray and merchandises. HxH's sales of DVD/BD was always bad, and its merchandising/licensed products obviously aren't doing well also...so the show isn't making enough $$ to justify its morning mainstream time slot. So yeah now it got kicked to late night, and budget will be cut for sure and eventually fade to obscurity...expects to see a lower budget future episodes from now on. So much pessimism and baseless assumptions in one post I'm blinded, it's honestly hard to tell right now whether the move is "good" or "bad" for the anime in the long run. We won't be able to say really until the anime has been running for 1 or 2 cour in the new slot What I can say is all the stuff you're saying about budget cuts is horse shit. Let me remind people shows that have aired in that late night NTV slot GITS: SAC- Sold discs Monster- Great TV ratings Kimi No Todoke- Manga Bump/TV Ratings Death Note- Sold Discs Kaiji- Great TV ratings/Live action movie promotion Chihayafuru S1- Manga Bump/Increased exposure of Karuta |
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GalekC said: Are late-night-airing anime shows usually lower-budget, or something? Majority of late night anime shows are short (13-26 episodes), one season type of show. Hunter is a LONG series, their production budget is a lot less per episode compare to the former. The rare exception of a long series are Monster and Fighting Spirit (the later one is in obscurity and barely any mainstream attention because of the time slot...poor). |
IntroverTurtle said: Hybridbloodszak said: Well kcaco is saying that it's never had good disc sales. We won't know how it does on the ratings for a while, so we don't know exactly how much they will fall. And most long running shows have the manga going at the same time which the anime boosts the sales of, it can't do that that much since the manga has been on hiatus. There's only so much the past volumes can sell while it's been airing for this long. And none of those shows you mentioned were long running.So much pessimism and baseless assumptions in one post I'm blinded, it's honestly hard to tell right now whether the move is "good" or "bad" for the anime in the long run. We won't be able to say really until the anime has been running for 1 or 2 cour in the new slot What I can say is all the stuff you're saying about budget cuts is horse shit. Let me remind people shows that have aired in that late night NTV slot GITS: SAC- Sold discs Monster- Great TV ratings Kimi No Todoke- Manga Bump/TV Ratings Death Note- Sold Discs Kaiji- Great TV ratings/Live action movie promotion Chihayafuru S1- Manga Bump/Increased exposure of Karuta HxH's disc sales are dismal (bottom of the list, less than 50 copies sold...that bad) Rating wise, it's around 3.8-4.0. But ALL late night anime can only get 0.1-1.5 range of ratings, no matter how 'popular'...so HxH's ratings will soon drop down there. It didn't and couldn't generate the kind of buzz nor hype like Attack on Titan, so def. cannot compare in terms of 'popularity'. The buzz and popularity helped AoT's manga bumps and fandom booms. HxH didn't need the manga bump (might need a boast of its 'fandom' in japan). So for the longest time its morning slot is a sign of its life assurance: relevant enough to be on a mainstream, kid centric block (exposed enough to new young fans). The tactics didn't work (merchandising didn't earn enough profit to justify expensive morning block). But now that's gone...yikes... No disc sales, no buzz to redeem the late night block...you can only come to the conclusion that Madhouse will cut the budget. let's hope that it can stay afloat long enough so it wont' get cancelled. |
| I don't think long-runners rely on disc sales in the first place. |
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Unit-01 said: No, it's usually ratings and manga sales. Being late night will lower the ratings and the manga is on hiatus. Hopefully it doesn't affect it too bad.I don't think long-runners rely on disc sales in the first place. |
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Unit-01 said: I don't think long-runners rely on disc sales in the first place. yes. but that's why most long runners made sure they get on mainstream exposure as much as they can (prime-time or morning blocks), and relied on licensing and merchandise to make a profit. That's why it is not looking good for HxH at all. |
| Jeez - with all these factors coming into play, it's almost making me hope that this is only a one-time (or maybe one-month) thing. Highly unlikely, without a doubt. {EDIT} Though, at the same time, I feel as though I'm not all that worried. It'd honestly be quite strange for MadHouse to suddenly be like, "F*** it." during the moments that seemingly mattered much more in the arc. Plus, this is where I feel like the series really takes on a MadHouse-type approach with the themes that are about to be explored. Not to mention, Hybrid just pointed out how Naoki Urasawa's Monster-anime by MH aired at this time as well. And that show ran for, roughly, 6 anime seasons. |
GalekCSep 25, 2013 6:11 PM
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GalekC said: Jeez - with all these factors coming into play, it's almost making me hope that this is only a one-time (or maybe one-month) thing. Highly unlikely, without a doubt. {EDIT} Though, at the same time, I feel as though I'm not all that worried. It'd honestly be quite strange for MadHouse to suddenly be like, "F*** it." during the moments that seemingly mattered much more in the arc. Plus, this is where I feel like the series really takes on a MadHouse-type approach with the themes that are about to be explored. Not to mention, Hybrid just pointed out how Naoki Urasawa's Monster-anime by MH aired at this time as well. And that show ran for, roughly, 6 anime seasons. Monster was seinen and a thriller/drama, aimed for serious grown up viewers. It doesn't rely on the type of profit shounen titles needed to pull to survive. Plus it was like a decade when the industry was still doing alright. HxH is shounen, the target audience are different. The time slot changes are no doubt a downgrade, so I really roll my eyes at the people 'rejoicing" for this 'great news'. Madhouse did push hard: movies, hiring big name seiyuu... But HxH now joins the same obscurity as Fighting spirit, and I worried whether it'll last :\ Agree with Guardian Enzo: either Chimera Ant arc will cut short, or expect to see major quality downgrade due to even lower budget. There won't be enough $$ for HxH to generate to keep Madhouse afloat really. It's too long a series to justify the kind of production value they tried. |
kcaco said: If that really is the case, then there'll be all the more reason to throw a fit, call this anime out, and have anime-only viewers divert their attention to the manga. :)GalekC said: Jeez - with all these factors coming into play, it's almost making me hope that this is only a one-time (or maybe one-month) thing. Highly unlikely, without a doubt. {EDIT} Though, at the same time, I feel as though I'm not all that worried. It'd honestly be quite strange for MadHouse to suddenly be like, "F*** it." during the moments that seemingly mattered much more in the arc. Plus, this is where I feel like the series really takes on a MadHouse-type approach with the themes that are about to be explored. Not to mention, Hybrid just pointed out how Naoki Urasawa's Monster-anime by MH aired at this time as well. And that show ran for, roughly, 6 anime seasons. Monster was seinen and a thriller/drama, aimed for serious grown up viewers. It doesn't rely on the type of profit shounen titles needed to pull to survive. Plus it was like a decade when the industry was still doing alright. HxH is shounen, the target audience are different. The time slot changes are no doubt a downgrade, so I really roll my eyes at the people 'rejoicing" for this 'great news'. Madhouse did push hard: movies, hiring big name seiyuu... But HxH now joins the same obscurity as Fighting spirit, and I worried whether it'll last : Agree with Guardian Enzo: either Chimera Ant arc will cut short, or expect to see major quality downgrade due to even lower budget. There won't be enough $$ for HxH to generate to keep Madhouse afloat really. It's too long a series to justify the kind of production value they tried. It's not as though this was a perfect adaptation to begin with (also not as though that hasn't been mentioned a billion times already). Maybe the anime can even go on "break" just around chapter 260-ish. After all, that IS where Togashi started going even crazier with his own hiatuses. And it should also be enough to fill the supposed two "cours" left of the anime. Just tossing around some interesting ideas. Either way, I'm still going to hold faith. Pessimism truthfully isn't the answer in this day & age. |
GalekCSep 25, 2013 8:16 PM
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| I'm really worried about this now. |
kcaco said: You know you should at least just wait and see the outcome instead of just making your speculations come off as of some sort of fact and not providing any real basis.HxH is shounen, the target audience are different. The time slot changes are no doubt a downgrade, so I really roll my eyes at the people 'rejoicing" for this 'great news'. |
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Cresherhsm said: Btw does this mean that we will be having two HxH episodes in the next 7 days? One this Sunday and another one next Wednesday? No. Episodes 98 comes this Sunday (29th). Then, episode 99 won't be released until Wednesday 9th. |
| Wow,I hope the animation quality doesn't suffer much. don't even want to think about it getting canceled :( |
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