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Poll: Monogatari Series: Second Season Episode 12 Discussion

Sep 29, 2013 1:25 PM

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Holy crap. Nadeko battling Araragi? What a nice way to start.
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Oct 1, 2013 3:45 AM

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If people haven't realized already the animation in Mousou Express is the animation in Renai Circulation...BACKWARDS! -mindfuck-
Oct 3, 2013 5:30 PM

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New OP and ED rocks.
Sengoku against Ararararagi, what a twist ..
Oct 4, 2013 9:27 AM

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Zilpzalp said:
In contrast to that, Nadeko is one uninteresting child which adds nothing to the story but just gets herself into trouble over dumb shit.

I hope this arc is over soon. 2/5

And it is funny how Nadeko would be the last boss that threatens Araragi and Senjougahara's well being through the Second Season series.
No characters in Monogatari series are irrelevant to the story going on in the series. Every fucking character in this series is important.
Thus your argument is invalid here, though I do respect your opinion.
Oct 6, 2013 7:15 AM

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Zilpzalp said:
I dont understand why so many of you think this was a great episode.
Nadeko is not interesting at all. She is a very dull, boring character.
But I can understand why you don't think this was a great episode. Because you happen to not like the main character in it but nothing whatsoever due to how well the anime adapts from the LN, meaning that even if this is adapted and executed very well you are still going to trash it. So instead of asking people why they think this is a great episode, why don't you start with asking why so many of us think Nadeko is an interesting or appealing character?

Anyway, I am also of the opinion that this is a great episode LOL
Modified by symbv, Oct 6, 2013 7:24 AM
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
Oct 10, 2013 2:56 AM

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I'm surprised by how many people prefer this OP over the others (seemingly because it's "darker"). Not saying it's a bad opening, I like it...but not as much as the others.

EDIT: Also, I don't think I like what's becoming of Nadeko.
Modified by saxophone15, Oct 10, 2013 3:02 AM
Oct 15, 2013 5:54 AM

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Holy... that was a crazy introduction to the next arc. Otorimonogatari and Nadeko Medusa, huh. The story is told In medias res and not from the actual start. I don't know if that's how it is in the novels too, but it's a damn good way to start with a bang! Especially with a transformed Nadeko in the middle of a fight to the death opposite a seriously wounded Koyomi and Shinobu. I can only hope this ends well, but I have a lingering grim feeling it can go the other way, too.

New Nadeko OP has that strangely negative feel to it as a marked contrast to the upbeat Renai Circulation from Bakemonogatari, but I still like it.

New ED as well. I'm gonna need quite some time to get used to it, especially since I'm not familiar with the artist unlike all the other past Monogatari EDs (all of which I've come to love, and I hope I do too for this one).
Oct 28, 2013 9:17 PM

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I really like the OP based on its relation to Ren'ai Circulation. The parallels are pretty creepy.
Nov 5, 2013 7:33 PM

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Baddie007 said:
Sacrificed snakes wanting payback, evil.

^ pretty much this
why are you accepting nadeko!? D:

Jan 4, 2014 10:56 PM

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Well, that a weird way to start an arc
RIP Loli Siscon xD

OP.. Oh well it's a bit dark but it suited for this arc.. maybe?
From "zutto zutto" to "zenbu zenbu zenbu zenbu"

ED.... Oh well Monogatari's ED always that dark
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Jan 9, 2014 9:37 AM

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We got all we need to know about Nadeko in her own brief description ( that was kind off weird )
Nadeko is crazy as fuck (lol) , that bike fail by Ougi ( she is the only character i cannot trust ). And men that Snake...
Jan 18, 2014 2:53 PM

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Oh wow this was good! That new character is quite interesting as well and well as I just love this character the story is focusing on things sure will get quite lovely in the next coming episodes plus what an amazing ED!
Jan 20, 2014 12:01 PM

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Good episode, i really like the new ending :)
Feb 10, 2014 11:18 PM

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Liking the arc so far, I guess I ranted about the OST a bit too early, this episode had a good OST to it, really added to the scenes a lot better than the OSTs of the previous arcs.

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Feb 11, 2014 5:50 AM

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I liked it.
Feb 26, 2014 4:00 PM

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I love the OP, the start of the episode was crazy!
Apr 6, 2014 11:45 AM

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I thought I skipped an episode while watching the intro. lol
Anyway, seems like another interesting arc.
And oh, I just realized Ougi's last name was Oshino. Hope to see more of her.

tomtomr92 said:
Man i love how the OP feels like the Original but 100% more ominous, evil, depressing etc.

Same thoughts here..
Apr 7, 2014 3:38 PM

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one of the better OPs in monogatari.

i dont really get why she said she would have agreed to the snakes demands when at the start of the ep it was stated that she loves koyomi, even though it seemed as if she knew was was going to have to fight him.
"Urushibara Ruka. The mannerisms and voice of a woman... No... More feminine than any woman. But he's a guy. Taller than Mayuri, but so very thin... But he's a guy. Looks great in a miko outfit... But he's a guy. It's already twilight And yet, it's so hot. The cicadas are crying. But... He's a guy."
Apr 15, 2014 6:30 PM

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Ahhhh! My poor Nadeko, what have you done! Accepting that request was like bitting in a poisoned apple while knowing it.

Dat beginning scene... How will they come to the point that Araragi say without any restraint ''I came here to kill you''. Never thought I would hear that from him.

So the snake as returned, but he seem angrier than ever. Don't mess with the snake.
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Apr 30, 2014 3:43 PM

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Ougi's hair is strange, for some reason.

Also, I wonder why she seems to be deliberately concealing her hands.
Jun 3, 2014 6:14 AM

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Nadeko Medusa... Begins!!!
Background check for sengoku nadeko!!
Here we go again with some bloody gore fighting...
Sengoku is playing the villain right now!? woah.. That is some astonishing truth.
The Yandere Hebi ... damn must be hard for her .. Jealously, Anger, hate and Envy...
but she looks beautiful on medusa form somehow in some point.
Ougi again... Looks so pale white as ever..
Basically... from being minor she got promoted into a major event on the season.
The Jagirinawa is really turning her more in to her own inner desires into negative acts..
That Hebi irritates me like shit with that voice. is it some snake from Adam and eve story!?
I am guessing Kuchinawa has some grudge with her . She killed off many of his kinds for the sake of getting rid of that curse anyways.
Now , Sengoku has been officially the antagonist of her own arc/story.
Somehow Sengoku is so weak on dealing with kind of things . Dang , I just hope for her to be confident enough when facing this dangers...
Good Episode !!!
End card liked for Sengoku Nadeko !!!
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Jul 1, 2014 7:10 PM

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love the snake
loved the opening
don't really care for nadeko though

hopefully this arc will (and most likely) be interesting
Jul 13, 2014 2:48 PM

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Ougi is a pretty funny character. I like how she was portrayed as a jiangshi.

And that OP. It's even better than Renai Circulation and catchy as Platinum Disco.
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Aug 11, 2014 2:57 AM

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Shinobu perfect as always
Sep 4, 2014 3:26 PM

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can someone tell me name of the ost right after op ends ? please D:
Jan 7, 2015 9:01 AM

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Notice that the OP indicates a stark contrast with Renai Circulation. It shows how fked and messed up Sengoku had become. And tbh, I hated her 'playing the victim' personality ever since the start.
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Feb 12, 2015 12:41 AM

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Pretentious dialog was pretentious. I'm starting to hate this season more than Nisemonogatari.
Feb 27, 2015 6:58 AM

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The arc of Nadeko, is not it started in a calm way, but I have not found very exciting storytelling in the end.
However the first few minutes are quite interesting because for once we have a bit of blood and malice in combat.
Drawings as good quality, the ending is nice.
Mar 15, 2015 7:09 AM

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That awesome OP, that gore view of Araragi, that medusa ... another amazing arc just started!
Apr 1, 2015 6:49 PM

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That start was weird in a good way. Also oshino girl creeps me out too much :/.
Jun 21, 2015 7:56 PM

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Great episode, the new OP is one of my favorites with it's lyrical content. Ougi's dialogue was great as was the Koyomi/Nadeko phone-call scene!
Aug 13, 2015 12:51 PM
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S-Word said:
This show is pretty weak when it tries to be serious instead of tossing around jokes.


Anyway, if I had a nickel for every time this show bored me, I'd have exactly that same amount of nickels.

Sep 24, 2015 6:24 PM

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You can't be a victim anymore. Ep 12.

Plot: An interlude into the future reveals Nadeko with a snake Oddity in a deadly battle with Shinobu and Koyomi. It doesn't bode well for the vampires. In the present Nadeko is told off by Ougi on her status as a victim and how she won't be able to keep up the facade anymore. After some hallucinations with white snakes, Nadeko meets the Big Boss Snake Kuchinawa and finds out she must "atone" for those snakes she murdered back when she was cursed.

Character: Ougi seems to be the catalyst for many things this season. I can't help but wonder if she is malicious or just a necessary thing for those inflicted by Oddities,

Nadeko's spot as a victim leaves me with many questions and I'm eager to learn. Her "atonement" for those snakes she killed was something I forgot about but does make sense for why she's targeted now. Except Kuchinawa treats it like a "you spilled something in my restaurant, please pay for it" kind of thing.

His saying of Nadeko not saying I'm sorry but what can I do to atone/make up for it is another thing. Is her not saying sorry a way of not acknowledging her mistake thus her trying to hold onto the victim label? Or the fact that it could it be argued that she is a victim because she is being forced to do something by a beast she has no way of going against? Hm...

Animation/sound: The OP was wonderful. It perfectly encapsulates what might happen in this arc and is just a delight to hear. The reverse of what you think you know.

4/5. A strong start to a previously thought saved character. Who knows how this will end.

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Oct 17, 2015 3:22 PM

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Well, that was quite a change for Nadeko - but why Medusa? We still don't know much about her.

And on the other hand Ougi seems to know much. Maybe way too much... she almost acts as if writer put its own character into the story. Or from perspective of viewer. It's really weird, I wonder who she is.

So it seems Nadeko is subconsciously putting herself into victim's position just to make herself a reason to contact onii-chan and see him? That's pretty dangerous thing there and it's no wonder those snakes appeared again as she summoned them willingly.

And whoever is Kuchinawa... one of her predecessors perhaps?

Pretty slow start though, and not very interesting premise so far but let's hope this gets better.
Anyway, new ED was great!
Jan 14, 2016 10:10 AM

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Good start to a new arc... And damn, Ougi is so weird... But I like her, even with those scary eyes o.O
Mar 29, 2016 4:45 PM

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Oshino Ougi seems extremely suspicious... Also Araragi getting torn to pieces again :/ New OP is the best so far though.
Apr 3, 2016 7:38 AM

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What a way to start an arc! Amazing action.
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Apr 4, 2016 9:26 AM
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eminagnam said:
Nadeko had liked Araragi before, yet now she is his enemy due to the snake deity? Since she killed 100,000 snakes, it's understandable the snake deity held a grudge against her. But the reason she killed so many snakes is because the deity possessed her at first and she attempted to exorcise the deity from herself by killing snakes? In this respect, she was like a victim of car accident. (In this case, a victim of the snake accident.) I feel sorry for her.

You have a very important part of that wrong. The snake deity hadn't possessed her, a spell that shouldn't have worked worked on her because she started killing the snakes at that shrine.

Had she not killed the snakes, nothing would have happened, and she was making it worse by killing those snakes, infact, she would never have been possessed at all had she killed them, so she is the victim of taking something too seriously, and dealing with it in the incorrect manner. Yet, at the same time, she was the one whom carried out those acts and so she's also the one whom willingly killed all those snakes that ended up making herself become possessed and therefore made her keep killing snakes incorrectly.
May 2, 2016 4:13 AM

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Holy shit Nadeko what the fuck did you just do?!
May 21, 2016 3:20 PM

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First episode of Otori-- and returns Sengoku and its relationship with snakes appear. The first scene is great, the rest is business as usual.

Primer episodio de Otori-- y vuelve aparecer Sengoku y su relación con las serpientes. La primera escena es genial, el resto es lo de siempre.

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Aug 27, 2016 10:34 AM

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Sigh... poor Nadeko-chan.
She's just a little girl that doesn't know any better.
Sep 22, 2016 12:27 PM

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Hmm was a bit boring at times, Nadeko's thoughts are not as interesting as the ones from other characters in Monogatari. But I hope it'll improve :3
Nov 15, 2016 8:43 PM

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Never was a fan of snakes but I love Nadeko!
Mar 11, 2017 1:31 PM
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My favorite episode so far of Monogatari while going in airing order..

The last track played while she was at the shrine, talking to the snake, blew me away (clarinets can be one of my favorite instruments when played in this style).
Jun 25, 2017 2:42 PM
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Oct 5, 2017 1:36 PM

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Jeez, it's impressive how much i still hate Sengoku.

Such an amazing start for this arc. Super hyped about it. I hope Shinobu drains her, every last bit of it.

Die Sengoku, die.

Btw i know this won't happen in a million years because well, Araragi-kun, but still, it's great to be able to dream.
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Oct 7, 2017 9:58 AM

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I don't even know what to say about this whole episode since I can't stand Nadeko. Jeez. But glad Ougi's appearance saved this episode. Lmfao. So, she's Oshino's niece. Nice. <3 I love her so much really. She's the most gorgeous person I've ever seen in Monogatari series. Gaaaah.

Holy shit that's a large-ass snake. Taylor Swift? Lmfao. Naaah, it's an insult to snakes and to us Slytherins. Pffft.

What the fuck is up with that yandere Nadeko!?! Holy shit. Lmfao. How fucking dare you hurt Araragi and Shinobu? You bastard! Foh!
Apr 24, 2018 1:43 PM

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Sengoku nooooooooo!!!! All I can think of now is the "you were the chosen one!" meme from Star Wars.

:'( sengoku :'(
there's no way she's actually going to die right......?
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Sep 7, 2018 6:28 AM

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Wow!! I'm loving this new bow, which is focusing more on Nadeko. This opening was clearly made to be the macabre version of Renai Circulation. This first episode has already arrested me like this, let's see how it will unfold to the end. Oshino Ougi is creepy ...

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Jan 29, 2019 2:12 AM

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Starting off this arc with such an intense scene like that was brilliant. It just left me thinking most of the episode about how and why things have to escalate to that level. It probably would've been a bit boring if we started at the beginning with Nadeko walking to school and letting it play out from there.

What exactly did Nadeko do to make even Koyomi, of all people, resolve to destroy her? :/

We also get more of Ougi in this episode. She's Meme Oshino's niece? She also seems to know a lot about the things that will happen. I wanna think she's also a time traveler, but I thought we were done with that last arc haha. I guess we'll see more of what she's about as this series goes on.
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