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it is to make a complete true villain, I think yes...for example. goblin slayer which is the goblin itself is already bad enough. if I saw the goblin raping other girls, yeah it enough for me to hate them. that's why Goblin slayer-san slaying the globin is a pleasure to me. it is satisfying.

well if you ask me whether I like it or not then the answer is no. cute waifu getting raped is not a good view for me. I don't like it.
 
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It's absolutely okay to include tough themes. Such stuff happens in the real world and if it's handled more carefully than just "this is the moment, where prota is safed and other one looks like a hero, then we forget about it", why shouldn't you write serious scenes / about serious themes.
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well its fiction but i personally hate it since it gives me this repulsive or guilty feeling

and also

as actual real-world therapists will tell you, it’s super common & normal to be excited & even aroused by fantasies about stuff that horrifies you irl; the only time it becomes a ~Bad Thing~ is if it starts to negatively affect your mental health or the way you treat real people
https://twitter.com/tegmenelytra/status/1148651777685970944


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ok that quote is not from a psychotherapist (i checked the profile and its full of yaoi and furry porn) but im sure that info they provided is true
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TallonKarrde23 said:
Rape is okay in any fiction as long as it's relevant and handled properly.
It's always "okay" — it may or may not depending on how it's handled be something I find entertaining or funny but it it's always okay.

DesolatePsyche said:
I despise Rape by principle. For me it's worst than most crimes, including murder.
...why?


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yea i don't see why its not okay in anime
after all murder etc are okay as well
crimes do not apply to fictional stories

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Being raped is shameful in Japan. This is backwards compared to western perceptions of rape.

It's different. Not really "okay".


which is pretty fucking stupid if you ask me
thats like shaming someone for having a car accident when they aren't at fault

like what the fuck is this for real?
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Not a fan. Except if it's for a decent character development.
 
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Nim0174 said:
yea i don't see why its not okay in anime
after all murder etc are okay as well
crimes do not apply to fictional stories

Mogu-sama said:
Being raped is shameful in Japan. This is backwards compared to western perceptions of rape.

It's different. Not really "okay".


which is pretty fucking stupid if you ask me
thats like shaming someone for having a car accident when they aren't at fault

like what the fuck is this for real?


I mean lot of women in Japan don't scream/report even molesters. As they have pretty much reasoning of not wanting cause a scene, bring attention, or shame their family, worry their family, affect public/work image etc.... thus they essentially just "take it" ..

I'm guessing it might be similar or at least impact in a manner for a rape as well..
to a point it developed into a fetish where "women secretly love being groped, forced on etc..being submissive.. etc.."

so I wouldn't same his claim was entirely incorrect, but I can imagine what could be in such cases..

I personally consider Rape worst type crime. As I have rather strict view on love/sex/relationship .. meaning forced/abused action of love would leave lifetime mental scar if viewpoint on such things would be similar to mine. In what case I would rather prefer to be killed. And probably more loose person.. would get mental setback.. but as they slut around anyways.. they would probably be affected less.

But fuck I know.. not a woman so can't particularly imagine if their brain works entirely different even if have same morals as me..
 
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DesolatePsyche said:
Nim0174 said:
yea i don't see why its not okay in anime
after all murder etc are okay as well
crimes do not apply to fictional stories



which is pretty fucking stupid if you ask me
thats like shaming someone for having a car accident when they aren't at fault

like what the fuck is this for real?


I mean lot of women in Japan don't scream/report even molesters. As they have pretty much reasoning of not wanting cause a scene, bring attention, or shame their family, worry their family, affect public/work image etc.... thus they essentially just "take it" ..

I'm guessing it might be similar or at least impact in a manner for a rape as well..
to a point it developed into a fetish where "women secretly love being groped, forced on etc..being submissive.. etc.."

so I wouldn't same his claim was entirely incorrect, but I can imagine what could be in such cases..

I personally consider Rape worst type crime. As I have rather strict view on love/sex/relationship .. meaning forced/abused action of love would leave lifetime mental scar if viewpoint on such things would be similar to mine. In what case I would rather prefer to be killed. And probably more loose person.. would get mental setback.. but as they slut around anyways.. they would probably be affected less.

But fuck I know.. not a woman so can't particularly imagine if their brain works entirely different even if have same morals as me..


i'd say its fucking horrible
if she wanted it, it wouldn't be rape
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Nim0174 said:
DesolatePsyche said:


I mean lot of women in Japan don't scream/report even molesters. As they have pretty much reasoning of not wanting cause a scene, bring attention, or shame their family, worry their family, affect public/work image etc.... thus they essentially just "take it" ..

I'm guessing it might be similar or at least impact in a manner for a rape as well..
to a point it developed into a fetish where "women secretly love being groped, forced on etc..being submissive.. etc.."

so I wouldn't same his claim was entirely incorrect, but I can imagine what could be in such cases..

I personally consider Rape worst type crime. As I have rather strict view on love/sex/relationship .. meaning forced/abused action of love would leave lifetime mental scar if viewpoint on such things would be similar to mine. In what case I would rather prefer to be killed. And probably more loose person.. would get mental setback.. but as they slut around anyways.. they would probably be affected less.

But fuck I know.. not a woman so can't particularly imagine if their brain works entirely different even if have same morals as me..


i'd say its fucking horrible
if she wanted it, it wouldn't be rape


It is rather dumb and horrible.
But issue is some people might have repressed fetishes.. or even if they "want it".. but by the end of it still go to mental breakdown/regret/fear/suicidal... I'll be honest..emotional creatures are unbalanced and weird.

Also.. I seriously don't know maybe the claim is true that women are simply by genetics more submissive and love being dominated by "alphas". I mean dumbest example if woman gets raped by stud or ugly fuck. Somehow stud is "okay" whilst ugly fuck is "burn him"..

Moral of the story is... whatever gender.. what goes through people heads is always a damn mystery..
 
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Sphinxter said:
TallonKarrde23 said:
Rape is okay in any fiction as long as it's relevant and handled properly.
It's always "okay" — it may or may not depending on how it's handled be something I find entertaining or funny but it it's always okay.

DesolatePsyche said:
I despise Rape by principle. For me it's worst than most crimes, including murder.
...why?


Long story short.
My romance/sex/relationship/love moral compass/views is basically "vanilla romance" where intimacy is act of one of the highest tier of expressing love whereas violating act of love making by rape is in my book the is one of the most despicable acts.

or well "fall in love > learn about each other > affirm both sides feelings > progress into relationship > reach intimacy stage > start a family (marry somewhere if want as public/documented form of expressing love for each other) > love until death and maybe even beyond... "
 
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DesolatePsyche said:
Nim0174 said:


i'd say its fucking horrible
if she wanted it, it wouldn't be rape


It is rather dumb and horrible.
But issue is some people might have repressed fetishes.. or even if they "want it".. but by the end of it still go to mental breakdown/regret/fear/suicidal... I'll be honest..emotional creatures are unbalanced and weird.

Also.. I seriously don't know maybe the claim is true that women are simply by genetics more submissive and love being dominated by "alphas". I mean dumbest example if woman gets raped by stud or ugly fuck. Somehow stud is "okay" whilst ugly fuck is "burn him"..

Moral of the story is... whatever gender.. what goes through people heads is always a damn mystery..


don't apply vanilla romance to the real world
its bullshit xD

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Nim0174 said:
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It is rather dumb and horrible.
But issue is some people might have repressed fetishes.. or even if they "want it".. but by the end of it still go to mental breakdown/regret/fear/suicidal... I'll be honest..emotional creatures are unbalanced and weird.

Also.. I seriously don't know maybe the claim is true that women are simply by genetics more submissive and love being dominated by "alphas". I mean dumbest example if woman gets raped by stud or ugly fuck. Somehow stud is "okay" whilst ugly fuck is "burn him"..

Moral of the story is... whatever gender.. what goes through people heads is always a damn mystery..


don't apply vanilla romance to the real world
its bullshit xD



well.. that is my principle. Same way I hate lying.
Thus I won't start lying because "thats how others do"
and same way I will only attempt to go into relationships if I fall in love and other side is interest as well.
I have fallen in love once in my life. So I know what sort of emotion it is and that is what I will thrive towards.

I won't join the loose modern world because of reason "that's how most do"...
I'll prolly die alone and depressed? Probably.. Do I care? Yes. Will I become the "masses"? No.

 
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Maid Sama has rape ??!? Can you tell me which episode ?

I only watched few episodes of it because it was boring.

EDIT: Neverminnd, I found that it is episode 8. That was very soft attempt rape. I prefer something more intense like the attempt rape in SAO Alicization episode 10, that was more intense and I loved it, that how rape should me in anime.
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Anything is okay in fiction because it's not real. That doesn't mean every subject is socially acceptable, and good luck trying to stop a witch hunt or social outrage.

Usually, though, that doesn't effect the anime.... Unless it's SAO which is shit anyway.
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DesolatePsyche said:
Nim0174 said:


don't apply vanilla romance to the real world
its bullshit xD



well.. that is my principle. Same way I hate lying.
Thus I won't start lying because "thats how others do"
and same way I will only attempt to go into relationships if I fall in love and other side is interest as well.
I have fallen in love once in my life. So I know what sort of emotion it is and that is what I will thrive towards.

I won't join the loose modern world because of reason "that's how most do"...
I'll prolly die alone and depressed? Probably.. Do I care? Yes. Will I become the "masses"? No.



What i meant was, don't expect women to live on that principle rather.
Im in total agreement with you, there is no point in relationships otherwise.
And im especially in agreement with lying.
I don't get why people lie anyway.
I always just say i don't wanna talk about if i don't want to say something.
If they ask why i tell them to shut up.
What you said last, if its not a good relationship its the same as being alone anyway.
Also i misunderstood your vanilla view, i thought u literally meant it like in Anime.
But yours is pretty reasonable. Although i do not believe in love anyway. In my opinion its all biologically primed. If attraction and respect or admiration of personality meet than i'd call that love. But the term love is overused by people anyway it basically holds no meaning itself. But thats just my point of view.
Damn dude. I want to buy you a Coffee or shit(not literally the latter part). I really respect that view. You seem tired. Even through words xD


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if the anime is rated 18+, I don't care.
 
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Well there's two sides to this:

There's the "no,because use of rape in fiction or joke is making light of the situation" side

Then there's the "it's totally fine in a fictional setting because no real people are being harmed" side.

So I guess it depends on which side you choose. Probably some grey area, but no one ever focuses on that.....
 
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Everything is OK in fiction. No exceptions for any reason. If you're sensitive to a certain topic, don't watch/read/whatever works with said topic.
 
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Its disgusting, I cant handle it at all, and that why I really dislike Berserk, maybe I´m too sensitive but I think that things like that shouldnt be shown in any circumstances.
 
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"Is Rape okay in fictious work?!"

Sure, if that's what the creator wanted.
 
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I think not only is rape depicted in anime okay but even more extreme forms of sexual violence, killing, torture, animal abuse, etc.

Depicting an act on screen is not the same as condoning it or wanting to recreate or re-enact it in real life.

I don't think there is any conceivable cap or limit to what should be allowed to be depicted. The full reach and breadth of the human imagination should be scoured for stories.

I don't understand when this trend started of people thinking you have to support or agree with something the characters in a movie or show are doing. So you can never watch any mobster movie unless you want to lead a life of organized crime and do contract killing of random men with silenced pistols? There's absolutely no justifiable reason why that should be okay to be depicted and often even shown as cool, exciting and glamorized but not rape or anything pertaining to sex.
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Hmm.

Rape isn't ok. Attempted rape isn't ok. But it does happen, so not depicting it *ever* would be misleading.

The more important question that needs to be asked is, why is there so MUCH rape in anime? Kill la Kill, Ouran High Host Club, Berserk, SAO, Eva, all popular and from a variety of genres, yet all have their rapey scenes. And it's always the women, never the men.

The number one counterargument I see from people who don't have a problem with rape in anime (almost exclusively men) is "rape happens, so get over it". Like yeah, diarrhea happens but I still wouldn't wanna watch it. I'm tired of rape in all my Japanese cartoons.
 
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As long as there isn't propaganda supporting it, then yes I suppose. Look at Perfect Blue, it had "rape" but I was fine with the movie. Stealing and killing are also against morality, but they are constantly shown. As long as the program does not support rape, or shove it down my throat with every scene, then I don't have a problem with it.
 
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People need to learn the difference between fiction and reality. How is rape in anime going to increase the number of rapes in real life? If you sexually assault someone because you watched a TV show then that's on you. The same could be said for reading a book, watching a puppet show, and etc.

We really need to quit moralizing TV shows based on real life principles. I get that people might want a show that encourages critical thinking, but in no way should we ever try to imitate the things we see on TV.

It's honestly difficult to formulate the words "Rape is okay" because it isn't. Taken out of context I could be considered as seriously misogynistic and mental. But if rape isn't okay, why stop there? Violence, panty shots, and even consensual kissing should be banned because it might inspire wrong think against the government.
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Sometime my lesbian angels get overexcited and love a bit forcefully,,, rape? dunno

It more depends how its done ,,,Sin: Nanatsu no Taizai,, Maria get assaulted by Levi and well raped but no penetration ,, And after worth she is smiling like usually and seems like she don't care


So in that cause i have no problem with it,, But it depend how its done ,,,If the female seem to be unharmed and ok with it, why the fuck should i care,,,Some rape are not that bad =P




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Of course it’s a fictional media(if violence is okay then is sexual violence)
 
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Rape is very often badly handled in anime, so that's kinda shameful since it could add something to a character backstory, for example, if done well


But that's still a very sensitive subject, whether it is in Japan or in any country in the world, so I don't think the popularization of rape in animes would be a good thing
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It's fiction so I see no issue with it but I prefer it to actually serve a purpose verses just for shock value.







 
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Nina raped Table kun so it's never okay!
 
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I have no problem with it being depicted in anime and manga but it's never ever explored in a way where it has more weight than just shock value or "this guy raped a woman so he's bad".
 
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Any depiction of any act no matter how objectively heinous is 100% fine as long as it is fiction. Rape, murder, torture, incest all happens in real life, so why can't it be depicted in fiction?

It is up to the individual if they derive pleasure from the material, it's not the burden of the creator to create content that appeals to everyone or fits within their scope of what is moral or wrong.
 
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I mean, I guess? It's not like it's illegal and it's all fiction so no one gets hurt (well I suppose one could reawaken some trauma from seeing rape scenes). Whether it's needed/appropriate for an anime is a whole other matter.




 
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For every girl that gets cornered on a bed in a romance/drama, there’s a guy who’s been pinned down in a romcom. Both equally brushed over. And Japan aren’t gonna change their views on it anytime soon.

it’s not worth caring about.
 
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I say it would depend on how it's portrayed. Rape in a story where it's relevant to the story I would say isn't bad to have as long as it's done correctly. If let's say, for example, rape is involved in an ecchi manga/anime, then, I think it's out of line and disgusting. It all depends on where it's placed and how it's placed in a story on whether or not it's appropriate.
 
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xXNeko_ChanXx said:
Okay ive seen a couple of animes and it seem that if the male gets on top of her and its unwanted the they get caught NOTHING HAPPENS.

Heres an example, Maid Sama

The council leader of the rich school goes at her (RAPE) and she struggles, Usui rescues her and they just walk out...WHAT...THATS ATTEMPTED RAPE!?

Anyway that brings me to the end of my rant. Hahaha. Any opinions on this or other examples?

Of course rape aint good bruhhh... and its ok for anime to portray it but as a bad thing not as a joke or something...

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Lol guys I was like 12 when I wrote this, I realise was a dumbass
 
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Hmm.

Rape isn't ok. Attempted rape isn't ok. But it does happen, so not depicting it *ever* would be misleading.

The more important question that needs to be asked is, why is there so MUCH rape in anime? Kill la Kill, Ouran High Host Club, Berserk, SAO, Eva, all popular and from a variety of genres, yet all have their rapey scenes. And it's always the women, never the men.

The number one counterargument I see from people who don't have a problem with rape in anime (almost exclusively men) is "rape happens, so get over it". Like yeah, diarrhea happens but I still wouldn't wanna watch it. I'm tired of rape in all my Japanese cartoons.


It's correct to point out that male rape is definitely a thing that happens and is often downplayed, dismissed, or covered up, but female rape is still a lot more widespread and ubiquitous throughout many parts of the world, so maybe that's part of why it's more often depicted?

And why do people keep talking about Berserk as a series that's heavy on rape? I think that's the second or third mention of it in this thread alone. From memory, there is only one rape in Berserk in the entire length of the series and
 
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xXNeko_ChanXx said:
Lol guys I was like 12 when I wrote this, I realise was a dumbass


Funny how even 6 years later people still bring up these threads.
 
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